Brilliant discussion | Frank Lampard and Chris Sutton talk the perils youth football in England
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2018
- Ahead of No Hunger in Paradise, Mike Calvin joins Jake Humphrey, Frank Lampard and Chris Sutton to talk about the perils of the youth football system in England.
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Frank is a quality pundit!
Suraj is the only quality pundit to ever grace the earth. I bet he rates Phil Neville as a quality pundit.
Alex King maybe, but in this discussion he refused to put any responsibilities on the clubs, which they have.
He is an excellent speaker of his mind
Alex King Sutton is the man
After all of that Leicester go and win the league with an ex-30quid a week player upfront. Football is beautiful.
Probably the Americans have it right where the University and Professionals systems are more linked and players are encouraged to maintain their grade average and make industry links while at University. So if they don't make it University sports players go on to get good jobs with good opportunities and their whole college tuition and living costs get covered. And they are still kept within a broader brotherhood instead of just being dropped out the social group altogether.
excellent system
Academies provide an education for their players. So players in academies are also encouraged to continue with their education and it is also all paid for.
We need to have a low wage for players up to 21 years old but have bonuses based on performance to give them incentives to try their hardest if they want to have their riches
Why just up until their 21? That just means that when they get to 21 they'll think they can stop trying. It should be like that for everyone. A low basic wage, and big performance related bonus'.
Money isnt the issue u cant prove urslef until u get a chance . Look at all the chelsea talents that they wasted ,young players need game time to develop
Tom Cahill what if money is your motivation
+Tom Cahill because most would of matured by 21. Good idea I think
they need to all be given the same support - the bonus comes from getting rewarded by being signed by the bigger clubs who will pay them more - there needs to be support for families and the player so is healthy to go through and fail since most will fail - the failures are also a big part of the successes succeeding we must remember as they are all helping to increase the quality of players developed
Taking 3 year olds is the most nonsensical thing I have heard football related
John Haig
@@jamesflint6062 Jam Flick
Why some youth players are on £10,000 a week is beyond me. How can clubs expect these players to be humble and work hard for a place in the first team if they are already on first team money ?
Hate the new RUclips. The reason is that the club want to keep the player. The youth players representatives will tell the club give him 10k or he will go to 'x' club that will give him the 10k so they are almost forced to if they desperately want to keep them. They don't want to pay them that much
10,000??? And the rest mate
who?
10k a week to train sparingly and have a good time out with my non football mates after training everyday. i love life hahaha
Winks, Wilshere, Alli, RLC, all needed at the WC for the midfield. Tammy as well.
Suraj's Opinion is Better and of course messi lingard
Wilshere is 25 years old, would be pressed to call him a youth player
We’ll see how Lallanas season is after the injury
Football was always going to change. People need to understand that
The Boss agreed. Too much at stake
Well it’s time it got it’s house in order now as it’s gone beyond a joke.
That's a fair assessment but not all change is good and should be swiftly identified as to the merits of the current trend (like the diving epidemic) before rolling over and simply accepting it.
Youth players are way too overpayed in England, there is 19 year olds walking around in designer clothes with expensive cars, losing their passion for the game. Make them grind and prove themselves to reap the rewards not just sign for a big club because they have a little bit of talent
N'golo Kante ikr
N'golo Kante bakyoko was always better
N'golo Kante I dont need a Idiot to tell me whats wrong with a English Youth system. 1. English players are developing faster because of the system and training available to them. 2. Foreign players have less growing up and start developing slower.
Same with every footballer, not just the youth.
That's what the bosman brought in.
England should do what Germany, France, Italy and Spain did. Rebuild the whole academy structure. And have an identity.
Isak Pettersson what ages do they start to play?
They did - it's reaped a number of trophies won at international level this past summer
Wdym they did no one cares if we've won a youth World Cup we need to win a real World Cup. All we do is go for big fast players and that's why we win a youth and not at the older ages cause the technical are the ones that are the winners
We have, it's called the England DNA
Rikki Burgess absolutely true u can see a example of the u.s national team . their younger athletes go to friendlys against other countries and sometimes they'll do good against top countries such Brazil,england, and Argentina, but the only reason that their doing decent against them is they are more stronger and can run more across the pitch. as soon as they get older and go to the national team it's a whole different
Whenever a title is 'brilliant' anything, normally that means it's gonna be rubbish. But this is one of the best discussions I've seen/heard in a long long time. Great topic
14 years old in an Academy and they get their boots cleaned. Wtf is that about? Clean your own boots then go and do the 1st team players as well and be grateful for the privilege.
Steffan Greer that makes no sense
Cant clean the first teams boot anymore the games changed and those days are long gone. Shearer spoke about it on the geordie pod cast and he said that they should clean them but the clubs stopped it.
Very well put by all. I am changing the way I thought with my boy.
Too much money when they are young! No drive or ambition to do any better! My father used to say that to many when I was younger and I didn’t agree! Now being a bit older, I have totally changed my outlook.
They aren't paid any money..
Really really great interesting video
Weird thing now is we’ve, probably, got the most exciting youth talents right now. Soon they’ll be starting the prem thanks to these documentaries though, promising times ahead
New philosophical golden age confirmed. Football pundits having intellectual discussions about psychology and society. This is how we build a better world; free thought and open discussion from all angles.
Indeed, makes a nice change from banal post-match interviews saying things like “ we could have nicked it today/ a draw was a fair result...... “
@@thetwitterlectual9528 It at least blows the "footballers are all idiots" narrative out of the water!
@@LaurentumEclectic Well and truly.
Wages need to be incentive based. Not just for young foootballers.
Brilliant discussion about this brilliant documentary............
A link to this masterful piece of film making is, however, asking for too much, I'm sad to say..........
Fortunately, though, Spurs are in the Champion's League final, so these minor setbacks are like water off a duck's arse........ where once there might have been psychotic rage, there's only gentle calm.............. so that's nice............
Great debate. Lampard is quality.
Great discussion, they all make very valid points. I suspect this is very much a by-product of how the premier league has developed since its inception, with all the money coming in from all angles, and everyone getting caught up in it, but then nobody higher up stopping to think about the affect of the young players who don't make it for whatever reason.
THe documentary sounds like a good watch, does anyone know the title of it?
Great chat from FL but I coached a side from U-7s to U-16s and had a few players taken by a Professional Clubs Accademy - those players were not allowed to play for us (and with all their mates) even if they werent selected to play for the academy side. At 16/17 all released by the club. It just isnt right that these boys are banned from playing with the clubs and friends they grew up with ...
My daughter turned down an opportunity to sign for a club team because it meant leaving the boys team she played for. At the time I thought she was maybe making the wrong decision but I've since realised it was probably the right thing to do.
I used to Manage in boys football 11 to 16 year old, the Parents were so pushy for their boys, let the lads enjoy their football.
I got dropped by palace at 14 and ended up in trouble with the police until I was 24,this is an issue.
that was your fault
Well why didn’t focus on school then like the odds of making are less than 1% just enjoy the game and love playing at that level because it could be your last at anytime
A lot of natural athletes from working class backgrounds can go that way. See it all the time
Great discussion Lampard makes some great points brilliant
Lampard is such an insightful talker on the game....
6.52 sums up the whole issue for me
People forget the negative effects that agents have on these young players. They inflate the ego's and portray them as world class talents when half of them haven't even developed as a man mentally or physically.
Lampard - not just a footballing genius, but a wise and intelligent man outside football too
Someone has the link to the download the full documentary of No Hunger in Paradise?
Lampard's a clever bloke, but he's a company man.
Any links to the documentary?
Meanwhile carlos Bacca worked on a boat til he was 19, then made his way to first division Colombian league and on to Europe , I wonder if climbing up the way he did was easier , but then again he is a classic number 9 and is really good
Money killed this “business”.
It would help if people stopped calling it a business all the time
Can someone please link us the documentary if they find it ?
When Frank becomes England Manager he will win us the world cup....no doubt!!
Where can I watch the documentary ?
Giving big sums of money to young un-educated men doesn't do any good. Frank Lampard came from a time when young players were given an apprenticeship where they had to come in at an entry level and had to work for that contract from day one. He didn't get 50,000 pounds a week like a lot of young players now. It's also a cultural issue where English players don't have the discipline that players from other parts of Europe do.
Aleksi Fraser what young players are on 50000k a week
Jordan Samuels Mbappe and dembele are on £200,000 a week. I probably shouldn't include mbappe cos he's an anomaly. I believe loftus cheek is on around £30,000 a week.
Much of the modern German team have a rich boy mentality (Reus etc) same with the French youth and even the Spanish to a lesser extent.
Culture has changed in Europe as a whole and without getting too controversial and upsetting people, attitudes and cultural background are certainly linked.
Whats the name of the documentery?
Franks right it’s all down to the parents. They should be the ones getting educated.
As a14 year old just signed before christmas I have worked my arse off and if I’d have been picked up 3 years ago I would be twice the player but would not have the hard working mentality
Where can i watch this documentary anyone plz?
Simply put... don't put all your eggs in one basket.
I couldn't watch this cause all I could hear in my ear was his tongue slapping the roof of his mouth
the sound of his saliva is too overpowering for me
Ha brilliant!
His wife must be the happiest woman in the world
it's a denture he has fake teeth
omg, my exact thoughts, his mouth does my head in, let's beat him
I think youth players should go straight to non league after getting released
Love me some Lamps
Amateur sport/athletics and PROFESSIONAL sport/athletics are two very different things.
Participation in the first is a qualitative, personal development exercise (i.e. building qualities that can make someone a better citizen and more resilient human being), whereas participation in the second is almost entirely about outcomes within the "grind 'em up and spit 'em out" entertainment business.
I was 1000th viewer
Low bar for brilliant these days
jzilla1234 well in comparison to your normal football conversations on tv, this is pulitzer prize winning stuff.
Someone get Mike a drink of water
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Entendi
Just pathetic, my boy adores football but i will support my son forever because hes my little star. There is no pressure x
Can someone tell me how can i watch this documentary online
Antonio Petrache ruclips.net/video/wuKbGDjezX8/видео.html
Take a look at the amount of british players that play for the top 4 clubs in the league and it's crystal clear that something is drastically wrong with the system.
That comment hadn't aged well.. Utd and Chelsea are currently playing more English youth than 16 premier league clubs.
the irony of Sky and BT contributing to this with TV with a Multi-Billion dollar Tv rights deal.
MIKE Calvin's mouth makes too many squishy noises for my liking
The current state of the premier league is ruining the men's national team. The youngsters aren't getting enough chances. Some of them need to move abroad like sancho.
sancho just had an amazing game vs bremen. i was there.
Jimmy Saville has entered the conversation
Use the American system of colleges and universities for the supply of players to clubs. Where academia is principal, alternative sports are encouraged and clubs draft youths. Not use and abuse them and chew them up and spit them out. This way the responsibility lies with the universities. They draft at 15/16. Not 3/4.
Who is Frank Lampards nephew?
Lampard gave 8 debuts to Chelsea youth players... The year is 2020😏
45k a week at 17, if they take 80% of that out of the first contract, through a cap or whatever. and put it around quality of life for the rest
Simple play local football get better join academy at 14 get your a levels. Unless at a premier league team go pro at 18 do academy 17 and 18 and do a levels and after your career go to uni. If at a prem club can go pro at 16. School should come first sports second
is chris sutton repeating the same points as an argument?
Frank talks so much sense
Totally agree with Frank
there is no problem, the team just has to give them a chance
this the grandpa from "that show"
remind me the name
I rather players get paid than get ripped off
Keiren Tearnny was signed for Celtic at 7'!,, ok he's the exception to the rule , plus he's the best Scottish player in 25-30 years 🇮🇪🇮🇪☘🇮🇪🇮🇪
They should do what the American schools do......got to get a certain grade of education before they can play football.....then they have something else to fall back on if they do fail
Wiggle wiggle
Englands problem is not if they have talent or not they do have the talent my dad has. Been saying this for years tactically they are awful and for some reason they don't know what to do with the ball no one is doubting there actual ability because they have it take for example sterling and Ribery both are as good as each other ability wise but one knows what to do in different situations with out being told what to do look at sterling he's playing amazing because pep is telling him practically what to do in most situations and he's pulling it off we're as the like of ribery doesn't need to be told what to do this has been going on for years with England hence why they have no success at international level but for clubs they are very good
Highs Guffb where was Ribery when he was 21 ? People forget how young sterling is man.
Hate the new RUclips. Who the hell is Robert
russian hitman god damn autocorrect.
So Ribery has never been coached then? He's played under some very esteemed coaches and didn't learn anything because he knew everything already? Wow...just wow.
I thing what he was trying to say is that the elite foreign players have been coached well enough to develop a permanent tactical intelligence compared to the English players who haven't had that level of coaching and don't react to particular situations with natural logic as well as the foreign players. This is the way I understand it because both Ribery and Sterling are human and definetly their football hisory will have an influence on their game.
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Lampard always speak sense
People get scouted too young. Even 15-20 years ago it was the same. Some boys weren’t even that good at say 10, but at 15 were quality! Scouts need to look a bit older.
A 1980s podcast in 2020
First world problems.
shahrukh malik it's still a problem though
So the first world aren't allowed to complain about anything? Right.
Lamps showing his true blue Tory colours here
Vikas Sandhu pardon?
k
It's known he's a Tory
Vikas Sandhu what's that got to do with this?
The bit where he downplays the need for a support system for ex footballers
Michael Calvin got picked up way too much mouth noise it's distracting.
babys nowadays only playes with Tab . mobile
if the premier league wasn't so dominated by money then it might help with this issue. every club in the pyramid is fighting to survive instead of developing a healthy environment for players and fans. football should be for the people not the billionaires.
I wish that journalist would drink something.
as Wall Street has shown us, this massive transfer fees bubble won't last, and one day (not too long from now), it will burst. just like how the italian league fell
Please elaborate as I'm not too educated on this topic
Ridhuan Abu Bakar it should have when Leicester won the league...but it didn't, which shows that it's not just inflation. There is just more money in the game. Because of the new tv deals
united016 yes true. But it wont keep going up until it reaches 1 billion pound for 1 player. It will crumble
Ridhuan Abu Bakar y not 50 yrs ago U would’ve been put into a Psychiatric Hospital for saying there would b a 50 million pound transfer Let alone the 200 odd payed for Neymar Football is and will always b the biggest Sport In the world If anything is even Harder to break the top 6 in the Prem Will b The top 6 for another 50-100 yrs
Ridhuan Abu Bakar How much a club spends on players as a percentage of their total budget hasn't changed. Clubs are simply making more money. The people in charge of these clubs are smart, they do not bankrupt their clubs buying players.
Never got the chance to play cause my parents were pricks.
Why is Sutton employed?? He’s biased and clueless
He's terrible
He interrupts to talk on a tangent!
Stooter 180 hun ?
I'm a hun and I like him. He's spot on nearly all the time.
I’m sure he has valid points but I can’t concentrate above the sloppy noises coming out of his mouth. It’s horrid
8-2
Who stole his lips?
5th
Just like Arsenal!
Chris Sutton is a bellend WATP
Football is morally corrupt.
Chris Sutton was a disgrace refusing to play for England A side because he believed it was below him. He didn't care enough for his country to fight for a place in the first team.
Sutton adds absolutely nothing to this debate. Useless
No - he made some valid points. I particularly agree with his point that as a young person, he was more allowed to find his own way into football, (trying out different sports, allowed to play football outside of the club, etc.
How ironic lampard saying "its a big wide world" when he's never been in it himself 🤔
Aaron Tyrer Having knowledge of the footballing world isn’t prohibited by your own experience...
Aaron Tyrer hes played football all over the world so he would know
He has a background in education and he stated himself the system at chelsea was excellent
He’s never been in the ‘big wide world’ because he was one of the best English footballers of all time. Hardly his fault he was so good?
he has gone through it all and he understand the hard work and dedication required everyday to make it...