could you show how you work with pitchbends and other cc lanes in reaper? it's very hard to copy parts of it or i just don't know how. in ableton you just select the part of it and duplicate, but how here?
@@synapticschism i meant copying parts of automation like with razor editing or autmation items, though i know they do not exist in midi editor. i mean, if i draw some pitch bend automations, but want to move or copy it to another note, i need to draw it again? cause it's not duplicating or moving to the sides.
@@ИльяБойко-е9э you can do that with automation lanes in the TCP. In those automation lanes you can copy and paste the points and you have options to move automation if you move the items. If this doesn't help, let me know and I'll add a video about it to the list.
Since you have Odin III, Axure and Djaa Maasta I have a question. I'm looking for the best option between the three that fit my needs. I mostly write super heavy low tuned stuff like Thall or Deathcore Downtempo. Between Drop G to Double Drop C and below. I'm looking for the VST that can provide the best Chuggs in priority. I'm looking for massive sounding chuggs : full, round, deep, with a long sustain and an agressive pick attack. Since these 3 go really low, what's the best chugging machine in your opinion ? Kind regards
I haven’t tried djaa or axure but Odin is weak for those chugs imo especially with amp sims it’s got a brootal tone but I love a chug and even the fi falls flat in Odin I’m really interested in axure atm my favourite library’s to date are shreddage hydra and vmetal I’m wondering if any of these even live up to those
@@Ambitiouz_mindset I agree. I have been using Odin II until now. But it seems like we have the same problem, the chuggs sounds weak and thin. From what I've heard Hydra might be a bit more articulate but not that much different. I think that Hydra and Odin fit more the djent and modern metal style. For huge chuggs we might have to look somewhere else..
For really low chugs I'd pick Djaa Maasta. Since the "chugging question" is poking on several comments, I'll try to have a short video comparing the guitars later this evening.
This one. Right now I have 5 guitar plugins and in my head all of them serve specific purposes. Keep in mind I still have to write a full track to really understand the pros and cons of my new guitar VSTs but I think Odin 3 is the overall best and Djaa Maasta is the super gnarly low-tone one which means Djaa Maasta would take specific riffs or be used for layering because I don't write in very low tones. I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
@@synapticschism Yes, even though i havent tried it Djaa Maasta yet i agree Odin III maybe be better "overall" but, for low tunning metal songs (like double drop E that both can do) would you preffer Odin III or Djaa Maasta? maybe i feel Odin DI is kinda "thin" sounding(?)
@@SHINDE1RU Djaa Maasta's sound is more gnarly and raw than Odin 3's. That's what Otto Audio does and targets: really low-register guitars. And they do it really well! So to answer your question, if I ever write a really low-tuned gnarly riff, I will choose Djaa Maasta, even though I think Odin 3 is the better overall guitar.
Double drop C is the lowest Odin 3 does. If you want to compare the lowest note or how low other guitars go (DJAA MAASTA goes lower) check this video ruclips.net/video/l0vqd2yBvp0/видео.html
No, it has very acceptable amp sims built-in. They won't be amazing but they'll get the work done. I have no problem using them for writing but I advise having other options when mixing and producing for the best results.
Yes, it's possible to combat it. The solution is a lot of manual tweaking. I have a track named John Doe Redux. I got a lot of feedback that I was playing really well and the truth is that everything was programmed. Some people humanize the midi but I never found that very useful. What I usually do is, riff by riff, strum by strum, and manually humanize with subtle articulation changes, tempo changes and effects (if the guitar has them). I didn't do that here as you noticed and to be honest it is a lot of hard work. You have to listen to it and determine what is that a guitarist would do here. I think it's almost impossible for someone who doesn't play the instrument since it doesn't have the feel for it.
It is a great guitar. Sound is pristine and it has two separate instruments for double tracking. My only complaint is that I'd love to have more articulations but that is a very personal thing depending on what you want to do with it. I reviewed it here: ruclips.net/video/UdtKG_PIFY4/видео.html
@@dfhm-pq2cf you are welcome! :) I'm happy to answer any questions and if there's any point you'd like to see detailed let me know and I can consider it for a video.
I find Odin a di to be so puny like when I try it with an amp sim it sounds trash and I’m not into trash 🤣 I want round low fat chugs. Iv got shreddage hydra but you can’t go double drop c with hydra. Is axure any better than Odin 3?
I think Odin 3 is better but I can't compare it to Shreddage Hydra or previous Odin versions since I don't have those. I'm testing an IR Loader and I'm getting quite good chugs with Odin 3. I can put up a quick short video tonight comparing the chugs of the various guitars, with the same amp and IRs. Would that help you?
@@synapticschism that would be hugely appreciated because I like the idea of axure guitar with that chug knob looks intriguing but some stuff isn’t friendly with amp sims I found Odin 3 to be very bright or something and not a lot of defined when it goes that low. Maybe it’s the amp I use who knows
@@Ambitiouz_mindset the Axure pick and chug knobs add an extra layer on top of the tonal sound. Which amp sim are you using? And one more thing, would slow palm mutes be enough to evaluate the guitars?
Is it possible to use Odin 3 to use your DI signal from guitar to replay it using to programmed guitar? Just wondering if this can help bring heavier sound than what i can get from my own guitar.
Not directly, no. Odin 3 gets MIDI as an input, so if you want to do that you either need a guitar with MIDI pickups or find a way of translating audio to MIDI, which is possible but often painful. Even if you do it, the biggest issue is that it won't recognise articulations, so you'd still need to program something.
Got this today it's pretty sweet with the vocal spaces preset for guitar rig on clean and non distortion. For those looking to use in a non metal way
Thank you for sharing that. I have not used it clean yet.
@@synapticschism no problem
Plugin world is getting so crazy good!
Yeah, some of these plugins are so good. Wait until I review the bass VST instruments. You can get an hint of the quality early in this video.
could you show how you work with pitchbends and other cc lanes in reaper? it's very hard to copy parts of it or i just don't know how. in ableton you just select the part of it and duplicate, but how here?
Same thing in the MIDI editor. On the bottom, you can add or remove lanes for CC, velocity, etc.
@@synapticschism i meant copying parts of automation like with razor editing or autmation items, though i know they do not exist in midi editor. i mean, if i draw some pitch bend automations, but want to move or copy it to another note, i need to draw it again? cause it's not duplicating or moving to the sides.
@@ИльяБойко-е9э you can do that with automation lanes in the TCP. In those automation lanes you can copy and paste the points and you have options to move automation if you move the items. If this doesn't help, let me know and I'll add a video about it to the list.
Since you have Odin III, Axure and Djaa Maasta I have a question. I'm looking for the best option between the three that fit my needs.
I mostly write super heavy low tuned stuff like Thall or Deathcore Downtempo. Between Drop G to Double Drop C and below. I'm looking for the VST that can provide the best Chuggs in priority. I'm looking for massive sounding chuggs : full, round, deep, with a long sustain and an agressive pick attack.
Since these 3 go really low, what's the best chugging machine in your opinion ?
Kind regards
I haven’t tried djaa or axure but Odin is weak for those chugs imo especially with amp sims it’s got a brootal tone but I love a chug and even the fi falls flat in Odin I’m really interested in axure atm my favourite library’s to date are shreddage hydra and vmetal I’m wondering if any of these even live up to those
@@Ambitiouz_mindset I agree. I have been using Odin II until now. But it seems like we have the same problem, the chuggs sounds weak and thin. From what I've heard Hydra might be a bit more articulate but not that much different. I think that Hydra and Odin fit more the djent and modern metal style. For huge chuggs we might have to look somewhere else..
For really low chugs I'd pick Djaa Maasta. Since the "chugging question" is poking on several comments, I'll try to have a short video comparing the guitars later this evening.
@@synapticschism that would be awesome thank you! 🙏
@@synapticschism Than you so much that would be awesome !🙏🏼 If you could include Axe Machina as well to this comparison that would be perfect
Between this and Djaa Maasta, which one you like most? like overall.
This one. Right now I have 5 guitar plugins and in my head all of them serve specific purposes. Keep in mind I still have to write a full track to really understand the pros and cons of my new guitar VSTs but I think Odin 3 is the overall best and Djaa Maasta is the super gnarly low-tone one which means Djaa Maasta would take specific riffs or be used for layering because I don't write in very low tones. I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
@@synapticschism Yes, even though i havent tried it Djaa Maasta yet i agree Odin III maybe be better "overall" but, for low tunning metal songs (like double drop E that both can do) would you preffer Odin III or Djaa Maasta? maybe i feel Odin DI is kinda "thin" sounding(?)
@@SHINDE1RU Djaa Maasta's sound is more gnarly and raw than Odin 3's. That's what Otto Audio does and targets: really low-register guitars. And they do it really well! So to answer your question, if I ever write a really low-tuned gnarly riff, I will choose Djaa Maasta, even though I think Odin 3 is the better overall guitar.
I can't get my odin 3 to go any lower than C1. Any way to get it to go lower? Or is there any other VST guitar that goes lower?
Double drop C is the lowest Odin 3 does. If you want to compare the lowest note or how low other guitars go (DJAA MAASTA goes lower) check this video ruclips.net/video/l0vqd2yBvp0/видео.html
Do you need an amp plugin to make the Odin work?
No, it has very acceptable amp sims built-in. They won't be amazing but they'll get the work done. I have no problem using them for writing but I advise having other options when mixing and producing for the best results.
The high leads on this in other videos are noticeably MIDI. Is there any way to combat that? I want to get it.
Yes, it's possible to combat it. The solution is a lot of manual tweaking. I have a track named John Doe Redux. I got a lot of feedback that I was playing really well and the truth is that everything was programmed. Some people humanize the midi but I never found that very useful. What I usually do is, riff by riff, strum by strum, and manually humanize with subtle articulation changes, tempo changes and effects (if the guitar has them).
I didn't do that here as you noticed and to be honest it is a lot of hard work. You have to listen to it and determine what is that a guitarist would do here. I think it's almost impossible for someone who doesn't play the instrument since it doesn't have the feel for it.
How you feel about axure?
It is a great guitar. Sound is pristine and it has two separate instruments for double tracking. My only complaint is that I'd love to have more articulations but that is a very personal thing depending on what you want to do with it.
I reviewed it here: ruclips.net/video/UdtKG_PIFY4/видео.html
@@synapticschism thank you for the reply
@@dfhm-pq2cf you are welcome! :) I'm happy to answer any questions and if there's any point you'd like to see detailed let me know and I can consider it for a video.
I find Odin a di to be so puny like when I try it with an amp sim it sounds trash and I’m not into trash 🤣 I want round low fat chugs. Iv got shreddage hydra but you can’t go double drop c with hydra.
Is axure any better than Odin 3?
I think Odin 3 is better but I can't compare it to Shreddage Hydra or previous Odin versions since I don't have those. I'm testing an IR Loader and I'm getting quite good chugs with Odin 3. I can put up a quick short video tonight comparing the chugs of the various guitars, with the same amp and IRs. Would that help you?
@@synapticschism that would be hugely appreciated because I like the idea of axure guitar with that chug knob looks intriguing but some stuff isn’t friendly with amp sims I found Odin 3 to be very bright or something and not a lot of defined when it goes that low. Maybe it’s the amp I use who knows
@@Ambitiouz_mindset the Axure pick and chug knobs add an extra layer on top of the tonal sound. Which amp sim are you using?
And one more thing, would slow palm mutes be enough to evaluate the guitars?
@@synapticschism but of both slow and fast kinda nu metal style chugs to djent style chugs
I’m using the laney Ironheart amp sim
@@Ambitiouz_mindset ok I'll work on that in some hours.
Is it possible to use Odin 3 to use your DI signal from guitar to replay it using to programmed guitar? Just wondering if this can help bring heavier sound than what i can get from my own guitar.
Not directly, no. Odin 3 gets MIDI as an input, so if you want to do that you either need a guitar with MIDI pickups or find a way of translating audio to MIDI, which is possible but often painful. Even if you do it, the biggest issue is that it won't recognise articulations, so you'd still need to program something.