This experiment at a Michigan landfill has residents worried about their health
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- An innovative project designed to solve two environmental issues at once has some St. Clair County residents concerned for their health.
Maybe they should look at why Michigan has the most trash per person and try to fix that problem...
St. Clair County (and others) import trash from Canada...
It is because it is brought here from other states and Canada. Our politicians sold us out.
Because we import Trash from other states as well as from the Canucks.
$ trucking in garbage to the Great Lakes state under democrats
Don't blame Democrats. This has been Michigan policy under Republican and Democrat administrations.
Plus, blaming Whitmer for the policies of a predominantly Republican Michigan Congress in the past is why we have problems with division. Don't just blame the current administration and it's makeup. Our state has been here a lot longer than one year.
Lived in Darmstadt Germany, years ago, and they have a high temperature garbage incinerator to generate steam and electricity. It works so good they import trash to burn. The landfill is way outside of the city.
At the cost of putting how much pollution into the air?
@@matthewholmes5285 it has been running now for about 30 years with zero emissions, it is based off an super high temp to get it started, and a massive filter system. No smoke and no smells. Lived in the area 16 years.
Germany is almost garbage less ever since their 0% emission processing plants and CO2 garbage trucks 🤗
@@matthewholmes5285yeah watch the documentary literally 0% waste and emissions. The only thing the plant exhausts is 0xygen (O2) and water. Literally the most efficient trash system ever created. Even the trucks run off all the CO2 and hydrogen. Most countries don't allow it in cause it would destroy privatized garbage contracts 😂😂😂 so most lobbyists have resisted and burned through a lot of money doin it.
American politicians from both Repub and Dem party's have been engaged in graft and personal bribes for decades.
Currently it's mostly the Dems being exposed for insider trading. Former Michigan governor Cramhole, who is now the Fed Energy Sec., is being grilled under oath for stock insider trading for Green Energy companies that she oversaw contracts for, but sold her stocks when the negative optics of insider trading by politicians became more evident.
Green Energy is more accurately...GREED SCAMERGY.
Anytime you hear great ideas come from a political party holding hands with corporations you can count on a long long track record of bull
And extreme over spending
Exactly, separating garbage from recycling is just a make work project to keep the people busy wasting their time. It all gets reunited at the landfill to go who knows where, for who knows what 🤔.
Exactly
When the guy said no one tried to polluted the community that was bull😂😂
Call the EPA. Make them do something useful, and bring this guy from rge company up on charges for fraud.
WTH do you expect when the state encourages trash from surrounding states & Canada? Toronto's trash comes there, for God's sake!! Hugh trash hauler trucks pounding the roads in an endless stream every day.
Audit the corrupt politicians.
Yeah, and that doesn't even include how much they dump in the lakes.
Last I knew we were still trucking in garbage from Canada.
Something smells bad about this.
Yep and now they are running out trash services the company is called GFL.. I call them good fu**ing luck.
Yes, they do. I work as a roll-off driver and see the Canadian truck every day at the northville dump.
Ohio, NY and others TRASH made is way all the way to North Macomb County dump Pine Tree Acres that in 1998 merged with Big Garbage Co. and would last the county 100 years for residents only. Welp, here we are in 2024 and it's at just about Max Capacity already?? And they've been bringing double dump trucks full of Human Waste from Canada and turn into electricity. This is not hearsay! These are Facts.
They still are.
If this was coming from my backyard the city would shut me down,law for city,law for individuals.
That’s ridiculous stop bringing in other states trash 🤬
And Canada's trash
We tried that in our Michigan county. Tried to stop it through our county landfill plan. We were not very successful. Basically, the transport of garbage is protected under the guise of " interstate commerce".
where is the garbage coming from? outv of state/country? who's getting PAID? certainly not the residents
Oh CANADA FOR DECADES!!!!! Sickening.... Our Gov don't give a damn...
Canada.
Location location location, don't live near a railroad tracks, airport, anykind of business or a dump
ESPECIALLY don't live near some damned STUPERHIGHWAY!
Some people in Las Vegas bought houses next to a pig farm & then sued the pig farmer because it stank lol.
You forgot another one.. Agriculture. Which basically means you can live almost nowhere
@@jimbrady1372 Or people who move into desolate areas where prisons are already built, and then complain about the activities inside the prison boundaries....
not only next to the airport, - but probably not in a 10 miles radius, and some directions probably up to 20 miles, - stay away from approach course for aircrafts. if you gonna check George Bush airport, - planes are coming west-east, south north in most of the cases. some days very rare from north to south (getting some of woodlands)
I lived near a landfill when I was younger. We knew it was there, but nobody really even noticed it until one day it was surrounded by fire trucks, sheriff's department, EPA, and of course news crews. They place hadn't been properly vented, and they had us convinced the whole place was going to explode. That was all that happened, but they sure made a big deal out of it. Here these poor people are suffering, but struggling to get any help with real issues.
There's an old quarry in my neighborhood that closed and was filled in with garbage in the 50s, and the land was used for a park and houses. In the last few years some of the houses had to be demolished after residents had issues with dangerous explosive gases seeping into their basements, and the park's parking lot closed after it settled into a shallow sinkhole. It seems like this kind of thing was pretty common over the last century and we still don't have a great solution of what to do with trash.
Go back to t-pees and live right
In Vegas, there are million dollar homes on top of the dump my grandfather used to work at. I was working framing houses there and I mentioned to the boss about the dump. He didn't believe me until I dug a hole and showed him. There was old bottles and trash visible just inches under the dirt. Crazy.
Wait. So people pay to have there trashed picked up. Then its used for the gas it produces and then is sold as electricity that people pay for. So everyone makes money from it but the residents.
Lol do The Privileged want their poop back? It wasn't important or considered valuable to the average resident. But it upsets you that residents PAY for a "no touch poop" experience & end up NOT profiting? The way I see it, it makes sense for the companies to profit because they are the ones who also have the vision, gumption, forward-motion, research, processes, specialized equipment, land, ect to process it.
Revenue isn’t profit. No one is making any money here.
Same with recycling. They just resell it back to us over and over.
Politicians built a landfill near me..well thirty miles away..zero cancer cases within a few miles...within five years more than a hundred case of variouse types of cancer...end result was a mass lawsuit...closed down a few months later...bad news for the ones that had been around it.....
Strange. On Google Earth, the landfill is blurred out with a huge triangle. What are they hiding?
He said a research project
I can see it just fine, nothing is blurred
You can do it safely if you add cooling towers for capturing salts. If you don't close the whole thing that way, you get toxic fumes. It's a technical problem that could be solved. Because many, many other places burn worse stuff - tires, for example - and they capture it all in their process. Maybe I'm missing something. It just looks like half-assery.
Costs 900k to get a return of 800k? It’s a green energy solution all right!
The police don't make any profit? The fire services don't make any money? That solution is not working according to you.
@@markae0 did you watch the video?
It's not green energy, it's a red policy... look at the people in charge. It's profitable for everyone but the people who live there.
Build back better at work 😂😂😂
Landfill gas power generation is supposed to eliminate odors. That is why governments usually subsidize those projects. This project is a failed experiment.
Overlooking the fact that it’s shrinking and making more space
A brick plant in central Oklahoma uses methane from a nearby dump to fire the bricks!
Pretty efficient!
How is Michigan number one in trash?? Is it still coming in from Canada?
Yes
Trash importation is encouraged. Canada yes. Michigan has lower rates for dumping than Canada or surrounding American states. Trash is brought from Toronto ( pop. Of what millions?).
One other thing, Michigan has tolerance for weight hauling than other states allow..# axles, weight per load.
They should take notes from Amager Bakke in Copenhagen, Denmark.
That's what they're worried about in Detroit. Not the drugs, not the crime. Not the gangs. The whole city is garbage.
When's the last time you were there? It's not the best but it also ain't the worst anymore.
This isn’t Detroit. And you obviously know nothing about Detroit. Detroit is an amazing city.
This is like a cross between Back to the Future and Idiocracy.
Making alll kinds of money and someone pockets are full. Corruption.
"It's not just the Smell...It's the Burning of my Eyes!" George Carlin
"So whe it comes to trash Michiga is number 1. "
I took that personal.
So the problem started when they added septic tank waste to the garbage. Of course that's gonna smell! This wasn't an experiment gone wrong. I'd say it worked exactly as expected.
Gfl owns the landfill in Northville and they have big transfer trucks coming from Windsor, I’ll see at least 3 or 4 every day just in the 20 minutes I spend there. That landfill is also filling up faster in past couple years than it ever has
I'm waiting for the day that the future yuppies and developers demand that tax payers pay to move that landfill from their backyards. Just like they did with women's prison on 5 mile and Beck. Local and state politicians will say, "Gosh golly gee, how did this get this way? We need to move it and we need federal, and state money to do it."
I take North Territorial to work every day. 2 weeks ago at 5:30 AM the sky was glowing red and flickering in that direction. There was a clearly a very big fire that somehow didn't make the news.
Its like no looked at this at all before it was implemented
Just like no one considered the long-term effects of using raw garbage landfills in the first place. All manner of proof exists that ash monofills, once capped, can support the construction of substantial buildings.
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x something this dangerous should be done where there isn't anything nearby like humans with human bodies very delicate bodies.
People that live around landfills need to understand this is a product of our environment what we do. I live in an area where they have done this for the last 20 years and it's not an issue.
Burning trash for fuel is not a new technology. Neither is adding acidic compounds to compost to speed decomposition. My 80 yr old neighbor did the same thing by pouring cola soda on her mulch pile.
If it costs the state around 900K and generates around 700K in electricity, thats a net cost to the state 200K, could we consider what the cost would be for other methods of excess trash removal? This seems to be a decent solution but they need to fix the problem of gas containment so less is polluting the surrounding area. Being more efficient in collecting/containing the gas will also increase electricity revenue.
More trash per person and terrible insurance rates?? Pure Michigan
What is needed is biodegradable plastics.
Normally, swamp gas (methane) is passed through a barrel if cast iron chips in order to remove the smell. Why is it not being done here?
Methane itself has no odor; the filtration was done to separate the hydrogen from hydrogen sulfide, allowing the hydrogen to pass thru while converting the iron to iron sulfate (?)
Also burning H2S (the stinky stuff farts are made of) creates a acid and water vapor.
Yes decay does produce H2S
Sulfurous acid.
methane is oderless you are talking bullshiff
@@tomgiorgini9154 Well when you fart.
It's the H2S you smell.
Methane, propane and butane do not smell until the odorizer is added.
Very dangerous in a refinery fun part of doing a startup after a turn around.
You feel it. you don't smell it. I did it once.
Never did it again, because they did not have explosive gas meters for everyone.
@@tomgiorgini9154 Yup; methane is TOTALLY odorless and tasteless----what you MIGHT be smelling is hydrogen sulfide.
You don't need a bioactive landfill to generate methane to burn to produce electricity. Many of WM landfills extract methane to use for electricity generation on site. They needed a place to dump the sewage, so saying its benefit is quicker decomposition isn't quite accurate as plain water will speed up the decomposition of the garbage just the same.
'Murica, where instead of taking notes from other countries that have almost completely eliminated the need for landfills like Japan, we create over-complicated expensive half-measures prone to failure!
Acadia parish Louisiana just announced the implementation of our landfill being used to power our energy grid
Michigan is run my CROOKS. This shouldn’t be surprising.
How many mw is the power plant I worked at a land fill plant and it was a 25mw there was million dollar home right across the street
We got alot of trash maybe because we imported Canadian trash for so long?
Majority of michigan doesn't give residents recycling bins or provide a way to recycle.
Only 2% of it even get recycled it's a joke anyway
Canada 🇨🇦brings there garbage to Michigan
Recycling is scam
@123..0. it's a feel good measure to make us feel like we're doing something.
after washing containers /bottles/ cans and filling up my recycle can, saw the garbage truck dump it in the garbage truck many times, not wasting my expensive water on this scam after seeing that
Doesn't help that former Gov Granholm was trucking it into the Great lakes state from Canada. Is Gov Whitless still doing that 🤔
Yes
It's was going on way before Granholm came along. In the 90's we were taking in trash from Ohio, NY and Canada and maybe a couple more I'm forgetting, from my time working for garbage company back then...js
My neighborhood charges for recycling cans, so it makes sense that Michigan has a trash issues.
There's a landfill for sale like 5 miles from where I live. Who would buy that. In Michigan, your gonna have to clean that up. Why would you buy that?
We do in Canada since the early 80s/70s it's pure methane. I think we see 4 full size tankers fully loaded a day from a local dump. It's worth it!
You realize a lot of the trash in Michigan is coming from Canada, right? Doesn't seem to me to be working all that well. I see your trash come here every day. I drive past the landfill in Northville every day.
Meanwhile in Japan, Germany, Sweden and many other places, they have incinerators inside the cities that have good controls on the emission standards and they produce heat and electricity at a profit.
As a Canadian, I feel responsible for this stinking mess in Michigan because I have contributed to it. I want more incinerators built here and to stop tracking garbage all over the globe from Michigan to China to the Phillipines, we are terrible for shipping our garbage far and wide
Great idea however over last 50 years it usually doesn’t work at various locations in the USA
wrong, it does work
Don't they do this all over w/o issue? Some of my local garbage trucks are run off that gas.. we appear to have our landfill tarped to trap the gasses is the only thing I noticed here.
done correctly, the landfill gas generators work flawlessly. in sacramento, Ca., the Kiefer landfill uses the technology to power several huge generators. they're required to control the gas anyway, so why not just collect it and at least try and recoup it?
I think there problem lies with spraying the wastewater onto it to hasten the rotting, they cover all the landfills with clay, stopping water infiltration, which is needed to rot the garbage, land fills all over collect methane to convert to electric they are trying to hasten the process and are coming into problems
Keep voting D
So is property for sale cheap?
I hauled dirt and clay on a project in Adrian. Every day trucks with human waste would dump their tanks on the hill. Don't get downwind!
Question, Can that seeping gas be generated into a fuel ?
Does Mr Matt Williams live locally?
He's an advocate, but he probably doesn't live anywhere near the smell. What a hypocrite.
I used to haul trash from Boston, NYC, Jersey to landfills in Ohio. Take an RV your going on a road trip if your going to "follow the trash"
How could they possibly have the most trash?They have to put deposits on any kind of bottle.Or container that has like milk soda beer everything
I believe Michigan gets a lot of trash trucked in from Canada.
Canada. "Green" "progressive" Canada dumps their trash here.
Sarnia no longer has the monopoly on Saint Clair County pollution?!
Someone/ Politician is receiving millions from Canada for accepting their GARBAGE?&&&&&&$$$$&&$
hmm I wonder why oh thats right one place is Canadian and the other American, Sarnia's trash is shipped to london's landfill, fakebook user
doubt that, considering the cancer clusters in chemical alley . the reservation there, there was more of one gender being born due to the toxins in the environment that the companies are spewing. everything looks rusty bc of the chemicals.
Sounded great. Smells . Makes you sick. Costs too much. Dosen't work HERE. Probably would in the wide open spaces in the midwest.
Someone doesn't like the electricity money not going in their pockets.
They do the same thing in Florida, and it does smell, however it's really not that bad. At least here .
If michigan is the problem the the state need to change laws on trash.
Everyone wants to get rid of trash but no one wants it in their back yard. Typical. I could care less how close it is to me.
I wonder if all the Canadian trucks figure into that.
Here in fl been doing this for 10 years with no problems
I would be fine if we just go back to using Glass containers for Milk , juice, etc. and just returning them back to the supermarket.
As long as there is 100% zero percent smoke & emissions going into the air it will be fine, but if not....
They need to shut that place down
lets do that then well start a landfill next to your house
The ol Shanghai surprise 😂
So did you not smell it? You never said a eord about it?
Septic tank waste is raw sewage?
Don't even let them do it it will make them sick
Trash is a commodity. People buy it.
Landfill owners will say anything and try anything to keep that money flowing. If everything was done by the book the smell will be minimal.
Whoa!
I bet Granholm is raking the money in for that.
It took our group of protestors several decades to close down the Detroit incinerator you could smell for many miles and was proven to affect life expectancies by 50%.. Not many people helped nor the news, we showed up at Detroit city council meetings where they were "discussing" our concerns while Martha slept in her chair and several others blew off the issue a few of those people eventually went to jail for various corruption and abuse.. If you live within a few miles of ANY landfill it will stink if the wind is blowing your way.. This sounds like a worthy experiment that will pay off more over time but again weepy eyed and selfish people complain and get it stopped.. Do they recycle??? There is a lot of bs in this state that stinks worse
VAULT TECH at work here
But, but, but the COWS!!!!
Building one in Riverview Michigan
Sounds like it is a gas recovery problem. Not a system design flaw. Increase the recovery system to a level necessary. That will increase the amount of electricity that can be made as well. Was the very first car ever designed perfect? Allow the engineers to make adjustments and move forward.
Figured St. Clair County
Burn the gas?
blame it on the dog
They play scientist while citizens are SICKENED.
With corporate people it's probably bad for you
Don’t worry citizen. You live in the greatest country in the world. All you have left to think about is who is allowed in the bathroom. Return to your processed food, all is well.
Much of the landfill both trash and hazardous waste is imported from other states and Canada. 🤔 Michigan has weak regulation regarding this matter.
Typical government inefficient and over budget.
If they cared about your health they wouldn't have put a landfill in your neighborhood.
Its seeping up through the ground.
If they actually burnt it.
who was there first? if the bar was there first, they have a legit reason to tell them to stop. if the dump was, the dump has the reason to tell them no. Dont live next to a dump/commercial area and complain that there is noise and smells.
Burning garbage smell horrible
I lived in a city that did this and the smell was unbearable
Wow.. that sad. Pump that air into space not in the sky.
Trust the science they say, OK!
If only we lived in a country were our opinions matter
I use the old technology. I dump my trash in the ocean.
🤡
YOUR MOTHER RAISED A LOWLIFPHE SCKUMBAGH
So you are the reason for all the plastic in the ocean?!!😮
@jacob.tudragens I use the maximum amount of plastic. I don't care where it goes. I love plastic.
@@johnd.5601 😂👍
Maybe they need to have less trash!
This is just being sloppy though. Bioreactor landfills work, but Odor Control and Best Practice can *also* be done.
Granted 1.) *Reducing* waste (via proper diversion of organic waste to composting or wastewater, reducing packaging/single use item waste, etc) 2.) Recycling and 3.) Modern Waste-to-Energy such as Gasification where you can get Metal, Inert Slag, and Gas/Energy in a Gas Turbine Engine with little pollution and far less land use + water contamination risk
…is the way to go in my opinion along with much more planning in products to what happens to them. Not just “#the customer gets it then 🤷”, but either designing it to break down in uncontrolled conditions (ie not just highly controlled often commercial/industrial composting methods), OR have stuff like a deposit/refund system or trade in programs (and just overall culture of bully tf out of wasteful/littering people).
He so confidently says it generated 800,000 but leaves out the part about it losing money. Typical.