Also, we don't need more bass from the ARC ( subwoofers can do the job) but a wider soundstage and a more precise center channel would be a welcomed upgrade... also improve mid range frequency for music listening..... making daisy chain use of multiple Era 100 or 300 would be nice... they should listen to their customers for inputs.
I’ve had an email from Sonos todays, saying there sorry for the new app failings and will be updating the app though out the summer months onwards to October 2024. I had promised myself never to buy Sonos products again, as I have spent thousands on my system for it to crash or not link up easily with updates its frustrating/ time consuming. I for one will not update the app until all updates are stable (if possible) as I’ve just got it all working again. Sonos also keep sending upgrade discounts on new products of 15%, (not unsubscribed?) Sonos need to concentrate getting owners previous equipment running smoothly before thinking of new products to give owners like myself confidence to even consider Sonos again. Never give Sonos good reviews guys, perhaps they will get the message in the end. We were there bread and butter, now being treated as S-T to buy more newer products to help them survive there mistakes think again Sonos.?
I don't buy into the Mayht hype - this was a small company making a lot of dubious claims without much evidence to back them up. I think they are flim-flam merchants who have hoodwinked the industry, and Sonos were the unlucky highest bidder. Hope I'm proved wrong, but I doubt it.
That won't happen. It's a myth without doing a real system where atmos speakers are specifically placed. Once my system dies off I will be looking elsewhere to replace it. And you should be Ok with that ...to each their own.
@@jb7753 Companies have to file reports with specs and various testing results to ensure their product complies w FCC requirements before selling them. The FCC has to approve before the product is released. It’s one of the final steps before release. Sometimes there’s enough detail in the publicly available filing docs to tell what the product is. Google Sonos FCC filings and it’ll pull up the link to all of Sonos’ filings by date. You can then look at the docs and info. Often companies redact info that tips off the public as to exactly what it is, but often there’s some info buried in there that gives insight as to what the product is.
@@jb7753 An FCC filing refers to the approval process conducted by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), which is responsible for overseeing various forms of communication, including radio frequency (RF) devices, telecommunications, broadcasting, and more. FCC certification is required for electronic devices that emit radio frequency radiation or wireless signals, such as Wi-Fi routers, cell phones, Bluetooth devices, wireless headphones, and other similar products.
I’ve lost all confidence in Sonos after the app update without warning. I am a long term owner with 12 products but you can’t go and change an app, the S2 that worked flawlessly and replace it with that - sake of changing it for what??. Spending thousands on a product then getting betrayed like that is unforgivable.
100%. I have 9 Sonos speakers and try not to ever use the app as I want to throw the damned speakers as far as I can. How tone deaf is their CEO letting this app be sent out without a trial. Despicable.
I’m holding off on getting any more Sonos products. I was frustrated most recently with their headphones pairing easily with my iPhone and iPad but fortunately I was able to return for a full refund. Sonos has software issues and you can’t use their products without their software, so I’m out. Hoping the systems I already own keep going with minimal issues. Rock on.
@@kirbykracklemusic I was able to get it to pair with the app. I had problems pairing it to my phone and tablet. Useless for calls. I was going to use for conference calls but when it wouldn’t pair I went back to my Bose NC 700 cans which pair easily.
@@BobbyBass-x6i Thanks for the reply, so frustrating I know. I feel like a lot of us have different combinations of what will work and what won’t. I can play off Spotify and all streaming apps, but unable to connect with the Sonos app itself. Such great products, but such a bottom barrel basement experience with the app for months now.
I've been waiting to add a main soundbar and subwoofer to my system for a year, waiting for this to come out. I love the Beam 2 for my office TV. I figured it would be a no brainer day one purchase but the App debacle has really made me consider whether to keep investing in my Sonos system (which is rough as I've got 12 products).
Same here, but I can easily move the Arc gen 1 to my new ondoor/outdoor room, and the sonos' "eco-system" just makes it work so well. I've only just started using my One's in the same outdoor room after upgrading the One's to 300's in my movie room where the Gen 2 will go... but I agree, the current system is completely fine and works well..... obvious app issues aside.
Sonos ideally arc with Bluetooth, and like a few more inputs for audio. As if we could get TVs that don’t support eARC but I have an Apple TV so I don’t get Dolby atmos to the sound bar, but the apply could send it if it had it. Just some amazing options that could make it a killer setup. Connectivity, sound is already amazing.
@@StevenvanderGraaf we need to wait until it comes out and try many configurations. I already have 2 subs and 2 era 300s. Once I get the arc 2 I’ll try some combos
So I saw a video that a guy posted that he has arc, two era 300 for SS , two sub gen AND two more era 300 as a pair for center (he grouped to Arc). I have the above mentioned set up except two era 300 in the front. Sounds amazing. I I’ll put the arc in my bedroom and get arc 2 for SS
That sounds awesome, and the idea of adding 2 or 4 physical speakers on the ceiling is dope. Whether it's the Sonos Era 100 or the Sonos One, it would make the Dolby Atmos experience way more legit compared to everything being virtualized right now.
I have the Arc v1, dual gen 3 subs, and Fives as surrounds. Will the Arc v2 work with the dual Gen 3 subs or do I need to upgrade one of the subs to the Gen 4? I have 19 Sonos pieces around the house (Arc, 2 Beams v1, Beam v2, 4 Gen 3 subs, 4 symfonisks bookshelf, 2 One SLs, 2 Fives, 2 Roams, 1 Era 100). I usually use the Sonos app for set-up and iPhone Trueplay. After that, I use airplay for whole house or room music and TV remote for volume levels for watching TV. My Era 100 in the kitchen is one button push on the top to link to TV Arc system if I want to listen to news/sports in that room. I don't used the smartphone app for anything else.
Dude, do you know how accurate you were with these predictions? I am definitely buying the SONOS Arc Ultra. not sure of the new sub though, what really makes it different? why buy it over the previous gen?
I will be holding out for the Arc 2. Hopefully it provides the upgrades that you are foreshadowing. Looking forward to your next video to learn more about the feature set.
Hello Peter Pee, why don't you make a video to configure the ones that have almost all the sonos speakers and group them together, I have a sonos arc, a generation 2 subwoofer, also 2 sonos five and 2 sonos era 300 and I want the best configuration of all of them together.
The Soundbar revolution happened 2 years ago with the Bang & Olufsen Beosound Theatre.....it just has a very high entry point in terms of price now....
Go ahead and build onto your Samsung, or NakaMichi dragon systems. You can’t. Where I can expand and build on my Sonos system nearly indefinitely. You’re stuck with just a simple box that can’t be upgraded or improved overtime, you just got thrown away and start over so for that, I’ll stick with the Sonos.
I'm looking into getting a samsung to go with my tv I have 30 days to return but I feel arc is lacking in voice volume.. music scenes and action scenes get to loud for the volume of voices continue to lower when music or action scenes come on the crank to hear quieter scenes
@@windsweptguitars In Italy Samsung 990d (all kit soundbar sub and 2 rear speaker) cost 780 euro Only Sonos arc soundbar cost 990 euro. I cant change all kit with chip price than only one pice of Sonos, and in this time Samsung sound is better and it have Dtsx that Sonos arc don't have. But We will see if Sonos arc 2 will be so better. I like Sonos because is most elegant and I can find it in white color.
@@lucabertolucci8164im building my system as we speak, the Arc 2 will be ordered, I have 2 Subs and a pair of the Arc 300….. a pair of move 2’s and a stand alone amp and 2 zones…… should be all I’ll need……
I just bought a month ago the arc, sub and era 100, and asked for any evolution of the bar and they told, not, is no planning for the moment, I'm really mad, because I must wait for the new version
While I think it would be cool if sonos implemented that heart tech into all the speakers in the soundbar I bet they will implement it into 1 or 2 for the bass of the soundbar. If they implement it into all of the speakers I would think the amplification/power supply required would be too much to fit in the soundbar. That makes me wonder why more soundbar manufacturers don't have an external power supply. I would mind if it was external if it meant better sound for the speakers.
They’re going to have to really knock The Gen 2 out the park with the way the headphones/app played out. They need to be able to push an even larger soundstage bc the 990c and 990d soundbar offers a better soundstage currently but their subwoofer is lackluster. And please for the love of god can we get center channel control! Would be nice if they added a button for trueplay or an included microphone for room tuning
I sold my Arc in the beginning of the year and got the Sony HT-A9 instead. However, I kept my 2 x Era 300's in anticipation for the either Arc Gen 2 or an Amp Gen 2
Yep, me putting the Gen 2 in the movie room and the gen 1 in my new outdoor space where I just installed my pair of One's that I have had in storage since I upgraded to the era 300's.
@@jb7753 but like always, I will wait 3-6 months after launch in case they have problems and bugs to work out. I want to buy the headphones also but I’m waiting to see if they have a good Black Friday sale. Keeping my fingers crossed
My Son works for one of our top HiFi shops in my country (JBHiFi in New Zealand) and he went to an internal expo (not for the general public) with all the other sales teams, and while there he went in the draw to win the Sonos Ultimate Immersive Set and won the full set for free (Sonos Arc soundbar, Two x Era 300 speakers, Sonos Gen 3 Subwoofer). As we speak, they are shipping it to him so he should have everything by the end of next week. Looking forward to hearing it. It makes sense why they have done this after watching this with the Gen 2 Arc soundbar about to be released soon, but still to get this whole set for free is a win win since my son up until now has only used his TV audio for gaming. This will be a huge upgrade to his bedroom sound and if he decides to upgrade to the Arc gen 2 sound bar in the future, he now gets 45% off the retail price for Sono's products anyway being a JBHiFi staff member and since he has done the Sonos training modules.
I agree, they won't get another dime from me either and I just feel cheated. I have 2 Sub Gen 3s, 2 ERA 300s, 2 SL1s, 2 Moves, and the Arc. The hardware is beautiful and powerful, but the software which ultimately drives everything is downright DISGUSTING! You are free to go right on ahead and pick up all of the Sonos hardware, if you want, but the software the system relies on is garbage. It's trash and it's not just because the UI and the UX are trash, but that the system requires that software in order to even produce sound. And the software is so buggy that you will spend hours trying to reconnect the speaker just because you changed your Wi-Fi password or Wi-Fi set up. Then when you get it changed and you think you have it connected then all of a sudden everything will disconnect and then you'll have to reset your Wi-Fi and you'll have to reset your app and you'll have to update your app and then you'll have to reset your phone and then you have to reset your phone again and then you'll have to reset your Wi-Fi again and then you'll have to factory reset all of your equipment (which requires you to go to each product and hold a button while plugging the product back in) and all of a sudden you decide I'm sick and tired of fooling with this and the next day you wake up and it works like you never ever spent the whole previous day trying to get it to work. But, trust me, you didn't really get it to work because it will absolutely crash again. Sonos software literally has me checking the Sonos app every DAMN DAY to see if everything is working properly. You don't spend thousands of dollars on a theater system, like I did, and not use it every single day! And every single day you're wondering what's going to be the New Sonos issue today! You want to sit down on an evening after you finished work and a tough work week and just find a good movie with Dolby Atmos and enjoy the thousands of dollars you've spent on some of the best hardware out there to watch that movie and you simply can't watch it because Sonos software is garbage and that is not a dramatization! I wish I would spend another dime on anything Sonos. As long as they have those 2 women running that software division, they will never get the software experience on par with the hardware. They need to be fired! And, I am down with any class action suit that gets levied against Sonos. And, BTW, I had to go out and by an iPhone to tune my system as well. 🤬 And, much of the software issues revolve around Sonos trying to make sure the software works with Android, but not with the Google ecosystem! Sonos has spent so much time trying to make sure that Sonos products don't work with the Google ecosystem that even using iPhone(their preferred connectivity device) equipment doesn't resolve the problems. It's bled over into iPhone setup with their equipment. And you can best believe that none of your NEW (2023 OR NEWER) hardware will work with anything Google, and the Sonos Voice Assistant is straight garbage! I say buy at your own risk! You have been warned! BTW, I love Peter's channel because he's definitely given strong support to keep my Sonos equipment up and running properly, but there's only so much he can do! The Sonos software division is the truly deplorable culprit here! RANT OVER! 😂😭
1] they need to get their App in order. 2] they need better compatibility and codes. 3] their hardware setup needs to at least rival Samsung q990d. So more tweeters and woofers, more high and surround channels. If not just be noticeably better sonicly. 4] their DSP need to rival Sony HT9 for 3D sound. 5] and for the last, they cannot over charge like Apple, if they are not much better than competition. Cause they are not, looking at the app and outdated codes….
Do you think Sonos will ever add DTS X or HD MA to the Arc? I use mine in my cinema room but its a real pain not being able to play lossless audio in older movies not encoded in Atmos. I don't know why they don't offer it as an optional paid software upgrade.
I don't get this either , if you look at the current options like Sony's theatre quad for instance they even support Imax Enhanced and of course DTS-X. Most brands support almost every audio codec. For me it would be a reason not to buy Sonos and go for another brand instead.
@@jb7753 indeed , but somehow i don't see that changing anytime soon which is weird to me. You would think you want to be equal or ahead of the competition as much as possible in these cases.
Thank you for the video - I have Arc Gen 1, 2 Sub and 2 Era 300. Would you expect the upgrade to Arc Gen 2 to be evolutionary in this case or still revolutionary?
Would be great to see a upgraded version of the current Arc, at least for the people not wanting to add a sub. I am currently using the Arc combined with a sub gen 3 and two Sonos Era 300s. I’m very happy with my setup at the moment and do not expect to upgrade anytime soon. And the complaints about the app… people please, give it time. They tried to innovate and take a different approach. It backfired, okay. They recently apologised and now we all have to move on and stop exaggerating, it isn’t all that bad. There is no succes without failure, that goes for Sonos as well. So people, please show some kindness, that won’t hurt, right.
It is the Sonos leadership that should show some kindness and appreciation for their customer base. They did the opposite rushing the app out. The launch of the app was one of the most disastrous decision a household brand has ever taken Fact
My personal experience is that the quality of the product is fantastic. I don't necessarily push my system for volume, more so sound quality and surround sound. My system is an arc, gen 3 sub, and 2 x Era 300's, which I upgraded from 2 x Sonos One's for rear speakers. That said, even at 25 out of 100 is plenty loud and it just goes up from there. The upgrade to 300's from One's was amazing. I was then able to use the One's in another area of the house, and they have moved into that space beautifully. Regarding the faults of Sonos, yes, for some people who use the app features more than what I do, it was BAD!!! and for the CEO to take so long to put out a statement was a bit poor.... Also, this is their second large-scale fault in about a year. But, they did fix them, albeit eventually in some cases. I can't comment for other brands in this "soundbar" system space as I've only had Sonos. Previously, I used amp and big speakers, etc. I don't know if other brands send out regular updates to improve the sound, etc, but for the $$'s you put into a Sonos system it's good to know it stays up to date and you're getting the best quality. I was also impressed when they added support for DTS a few years back... It would be great if they supported DTS:X at some point...
Increase the trade in value of the arc v1.0 against the arc v2.0 to show loyalty towards your existing customer base , who are willing to spend money knowing that the current flawed app has restricted and broken functionality inherent in the previous versions.
Will this come with multiple HDMI connections? I have multiple devices to connect like an apple tv and want to ensure the arc 2 will improve off the arc in this area
When I can get the 990C for close to $700, the Sonos soundbar would have to make me breakfast, lunch, and dinner for me to justify paying Sonos inflated prices for a soundbar with issues, especially considering they also nerfed the gen 1.
I paid 570€ for my Q990D yesterday, cannot beat that. Sonos is too expensive for being worse product right now. Sonos Arc 2 has to be revolutionary in some way for me to justify jumping bridges to it.
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I haven the beam 2 for 2 years… so I sell it and now I have the arc for 2 months ago and I think I gonna be stock with this soundbar for ever, I just too good I even can get the volumen in 90 or 100%.. I still thinking I get the sub mini one more time..
I just got into the Sonos ecosystem a week ago.. the first gen arc is good but all the other items I picked up are a big POS and so is their app. I regret getting into their ecosystem
I think Sonos needs to act fast to boost sales with a new product that restores customer confidence. Otherwise, they’re going downhill, all because of their own app. Even their CEO has come out apologizing for the mistakes and poor management over the past few months.🤞
I was gifted a Sonos Arc from my wife at my birthday. I immediately returned it as I am waiting for the 2nd gen. due to all of the rumors or a upgrade soon to come. I would be so sad to have spend such big money for a device that will be be outdated within a couple of months. My wife clearly understood my thoughts and agreed that it would be better to wait for the next upgrade as we've been used to a TV sound for the past 10 years. So waiting a couple of months was no biggie 😄 Looking forward to seeing and feeling the revolution! So do you expect the bass performance of the Arc gen 2 to be as good as the Sonos Sub? And you eventually have the same performance from a gen 2 towards the current going Arc + Sub? 🙂
It seems the Era 300’s have enhanced the Sonos soundbar system but the Arc is a few years old now and I’ve read it’s going to be replaced in late autumn with a new arc 2. I think if you are updating a product that hasn’t been changed in years you would expect a substantial improvement rather than a small incremental one. Having watched a few video reviews the general consensus is that the soundbar is the weakest link in the system with the Gen 3 sub and Era 300 surrounds. Not shabby by any means but could be better with dialogue and less artificial sounding.
I am one of those people that is holding back with Sonos till this new release will come out. Still the lack of support of DTS-X etc is a problem for me. Then there is the new Sony Bravia Theatre Quad that offers a surround sound that Sonos can't beat. I don't think this soundbar is going to deliver that because it's a soundbar and that can never be as immersive as a full surround set up. I was hoping Sennheiser would be releasing surrounds speakers but unfortunately that has not happened yet.
I’m very confused why the arc was so successful with only having one port, and not really supporting that many audio formats, but I even bought one only to replace it with a Samsung system.
They can’t defy the laws of physics. Speakers move air for sound, so the bigger the cone, the more air=louder and more/deeper bass. They can move more air with long throw drivers or increase the cone size artificially with passive radiators. All of this has been done and all of these features currently exist on the current Arc. Higher quality drivers with a premium cone material, a longer throw and bigger magnet can produce more and better sound, but will cost a lot more. I think they realized they can now charge up to $1500 for a sound bar so they will use more premium drivers and amps in a similar form factor and it will easily outperform the Arc gen 1 as well as other soundbars currently on the market. Start saving!
Sonos don't need a newer soundbar. They should make it possible to use more speaker for their Atmos setup. Like a Beam G2 as Center, 4x Era 100 or 300 and 1-2 Subs. Waiting for Googles Atmos-Codec that allows you to setup any speaker to your setup. Let's see what they cooked up for the Arc Gen. 2. At least 2- 3 HDMI inputs would be nice. Sound should be on the same level as the Sennheiser Ambeo Plus. If they had Rears I would have bought the Ambeo over the Arc for 100%.
I must say I don't like the new app at all but after reading forums and other sites I'm left shaking my head.. am I seriously the only one who has never had an issue with the system?
It's always interesting to me how these no name companies can figure out something a team of engineers at a 30+ year old speaker company with millions in R&D budget can't especially when physics hasn't changed.
Arc Gen 1 is clearly a generation and a half behind the work they have done on the ERA 300. . Its dispersion and sound stage are too limited. I like its fidelity and overall clarity, but it cannot accomplish some of the spatial feats that the era 300 can.
@PeterPee it was funny, I wasn't expecting it haha. Just as a heads up... Mahyt is pronounced like "Might" as in "mighty". That's the only Sonos insider information you're getting from me 😂
For me the recent app issues have made me realise that something that is so app dependent is not what I want anymore. You can’t even use the aux in on the fives anymore without going in to the app to select it. Where’s the auto switching gone. For me I just don’t like the interaction with the app and products. Sometimes it would be nice to control volume or skip a track without opening an app on your phone. The Sonos controller was a good option.
The latest software upgrade was a fiasco! As always I lost my trueplay settings ( android user) So I have to find someone with a IPhone and come to my place... why didn't they store my settings on their servers or on a memory chip on my sonos Arc ? Its the third times in 4 years I've lost my trueplay settings 😡😡😡
Great video Peter and I would be excited for the Arc2, but with this latest app disaster which is still close to useless, I will not be giving Sonos any more of my cash. I have Arc, pair of Ones, Sub, pair of Era 300s. They need this app sorting out as they are committing commercial suicide at the moment with this app.
Also, we don't need more bass from the ARC ( subwoofers can do the job) but a wider soundstage and a more precise center channel would be a welcomed upgrade... also improve mid range frequency for music listening..... making daisy chain use of multiple Era 100 or 300 would be nice... they should listen to their customers for inputs.
Sonos needs to come up with something real quick that works flawlessly to get back consumer confidence.
They could start by fixing their app before thinking customer will invest in other products again.
I’ve had an email from Sonos todays, saying there sorry for the new app failings and will be updating the app though out the summer months onwards to October 2024.
I had promised myself never to buy Sonos products again, as I have spent thousands on my system for it to crash or not link up easily with updates its frustrating/ time consuming. I for one will not update the app until all updates are stable (if possible) as I’ve just got it all working again.
Sonos also keep sending upgrade discounts on new products of 15%, (not unsubscribed?) Sonos need to concentrate getting owners previous equipment running smoothly before thinking of new products to give owners like myself confidence to even consider Sonos again.
Never give Sonos good reviews guys, perhaps they will get the message in the end.
We were there bread and butter, now being treated as S-T to buy more newer products to help them survive there mistakes think again Sonos.?
@@joshuavillegasr Totally agree with you josh? ❤️❤️❤️👌
I don't buy into the Mayht hype - this was a small company making a lot of dubious claims without much evidence to back them up. I think they are flim-flam merchants who have hoodwinked the industry, and Sonos were the unlucky highest bidder. Hope I'm proved wrong, but I doubt it.
🧐@@Beer_Dad1975
My biggest hope is that Gen 2 allows for adding more speakers. Still waiting for a true atmos sound bubble effect.
That won't happen. It's a myth without doing a real system where atmos speakers are specifically placed. Once my system dies off I will be looking elsewhere to replace it. And you should be Ok with that ...to each their own.
This better be big, Sonos need it
Sonos recently submitted an FCC filing for the Arc successor, so release is imminent. So your expectation for September release makes sense.
What's FCC filing mean?
@@jb7753 Companies have to file reports with specs and various testing results to ensure their product complies w FCC requirements before selling them. The FCC has to approve before the product is released. It’s one of the final steps before release. Sometimes there’s enough detail in the publicly available filing docs to tell what the product is. Google Sonos FCC filings and it’ll pull up the link to all of Sonos’ filings by date. You can then look at the docs and info. Often companies redact info that tips off the public as to exactly what it is, but often there’s some info buried in there that gives insight as to what the product is.
@@jb7753 An FCC filing refers to the approval process conducted by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), which is responsible for overseeing various forms of communication, including radio frequency (RF) devices, telecommunications, broadcasting, and more. FCC certification is required for electronic devices that emit radio frequency radiation or wireless signals, such as Wi-Fi routers, cell phones, Bluetooth devices, wireless headphones, and other similar products.
I’ve lost all confidence in Sonos after the app update without warning. I am a long term owner with 12 products but you can’t go and change an app, the S2 that worked flawlessly and replace it with that - sake of changing it for what??. Spending thousands on a product then getting betrayed like that is unforgivable.
THIS!
samsung does the same thing with their firmware and updates too😂😂😂😂
100%. I have 9 Sonos speakers and try not to ever use the app as I want to throw the damned speakers as far as I can. How tone deaf is their CEO letting this app be sent out without a trial. Despicable.
EXACTLY!
@@Platofacewhat actually happened?
I already saw their "revolution" with new app and software quality. Will see, will see.
I’m holding off on getting any more Sonos products. I was frustrated most recently with their headphones pairing easily with my iPhone and iPad but fortunately I was able to return for a full refund. Sonos has software issues and you can’t use their products without their software, so I’m out. Hoping the systems I already own keep going with minimal issues. Rock on.
Were you also unable to get the Ace to pair with your Sonos app?
@@kirbykracklemusic I was able to get it to pair with the app. I had problems pairing it to my phone and tablet. Useless for calls. I was going to use for conference calls but when it wouldn’t pair I went back to my Bose NC 700 cans which pair easily.
@@BobbyBass-x6i Thanks for the reply, so frustrating I know. I feel like a lot of us have different combinations of what will work and what won’t. I can play off Spotify and all streaming apps, but unable to connect with the Sonos app itself. Such great products, but such a bottom barrel basement experience with the app for months now.
Pairs easily with Android.
(Samsung S23U)
Going to upgrade to the Arc 2 and gift my current Arc with my old One SLs that were replaced by a pair of ERA 300s.
If I knew Sonos are gem 2 comes out. I’m still gonna keep my original art.! It sounds fantastic.👍
I WAS looking at 2 surround setups for different parts of my home UNTIL I heard about this incredible debacle.
I've been waiting to add a main soundbar and subwoofer to my system for a year, waiting for this to come out. I love the Beam 2 for my office TV. I figured it would be a no brainer day one purchase but the App debacle has really made me consider whether to keep investing in my Sonos system (which is rough as I've got 12 products).
While an updated arc will be nice and I’ll be first in line. I’m pretty happy with my current arc (and accompanying subs and 300’s).
Same here, but I can easily move the Arc gen 1 to my new ondoor/outdoor room, and the sonos' "eco-system" just makes it work so well. I've only just started using my One's in the same outdoor room after upgrading the One's to 300's in my movie room where the Gen 2 will go... but I agree, the current system is completely fine and works well..... obvious app issues aside.
Same here, but compared to the era 300 the arc feel old gen in terms of soundstage, and IMHO is the real downside of the arc
Sonos ideally arc with Bluetooth, and like a few more inputs for audio. As if we could get TVs that don’t support eARC but I have an Apple TV so I don’t get Dolby atmos to the sound bar, but the apply could send it if it had it.
Just some amazing options that could make it a killer setup. Connectivity, sound is already amazing.
We need 2 ERA 300’s that you can place as left and right front and 1 ERA 300 as a center. That will be revolution in the Sonos eco system.
THIS
@@StevenvanderGraaf we need to wait until it comes out and try many configurations. I already have 2 subs and 2 era 300s. Once I get the arc 2 I’ll try some combos
You are correct, but they won’t because it would damage their sound bar division.
So I saw a video that a guy posted that he has arc, two era 300 for SS , two sub gen AND two more era 300 as a pair for center (he grouped to Arc).
I have the above mentioned set up except two era 300 in the front. Sounds amazing. I I’ll put the arc in my bedroom and get arc 2 for SS
That sounds awesome, and the idea of adding 2 or 4 physical speakers on the ceiling is dope. Whether it's the Sonos Era 100 or the Sonos One, it would make the Dolby Atmos experience way more legit compared to everything being virtualized right now.
I have the Arc v1, dual gen 3 subs, and Fives as surrounds. Will the Arc v2 work with the dual Gen 3 subs or do I need to upgrade one of the subs to the Gen 4?
I have 19 Sonos pieces around the house (Arc, 2 Beams v1, Beam v2, 4 Gen 3 subs, 4 symfonisks bookshelf, 2 One SLs, 2 Fives, 2 Roams, 1 Era 100). I usually use the Sonos app for set-up and iPhone Trueplay. After that, I use airplay for whole house or room music and TV remote for volume levels for watching TV. My Era 100 in the kitchen is one button push on the top to link to TV Arc system if I want to listen to news/sports in that room. I don't used the smartphone app for anything else.
I was really thinking about buying the current Arc this fall. Not sure if I should/want to wait….
Dude, do you know how accurate you were with these predictions? I am definitely buying the SONOS Arc Ultra. not sure of the new sub though, what really makes it different? why buy it over the previous gen?
...and again, the SONOS Hardware is A+. No complaints from me. Unfortunately, it is now all about The App.
what happened?
I will be holding out for the Arc 2. Hopefully it provides the upgrades that you are foreshadowing. Looking forward to your next video to learn more about the feature set.
I have arc 1 with sub gen2 . I bought arc about 1 year ago for about$ 800 with tax. How much will new soundbar cost? Will it be justified to upgrade?
Hello Peter Pee, why don't you make a video to configure the ones that have almost all the sonos speakers and group them together, I have a sonos arc, a generation 2 subwoofer, also 2 sonos five and 2 sonos era 300 and I want the best configuration of all of them together.
The Soundbar revolution happened 2 years ago with the Bang & Olufsen Beosound Theatre.....it just has a very high entry point in terms of price now....
Samsung is selling the 990 C and D for far less than Sonos’ theater package. Sonos is a hard sell.
Go ahead and build onto your Samsung, or NakaMichi dragon systems. You can’t. Where I can expand and build on my Sonos system nearly indefinitely. You’re stuck with just a simple box that can’t be upgraded or improved overtime, you just got thrown away and start over so for that, I’ll stick with the Sonos.
I'm looking into getting a samsung to go with my tv I have 30 days to return but I feel arc is lacking in voice volume.. music scenes and action scenes get to loud for the volume of voices continue to lower when music or action scenes come on the crank to hear quieter scenes
@@windsweptguitars In Italy Samsung 990d (all kit soundbar sub and 2 rear speaker) cost 780 euro Only Sonos arc soundbar cost 990 euro. I cant change all kit with chip price than only one pice of Sonos, and in this time Samsung sound is better and it have Dtsx that Sonos arc don't have. But We will see if Sonos arc 2 will be so better. I like Sonos because is most elegant and I can find it in white color.
@@lucabertolucci8164im building my system as we speak, the Arc 2 will be ordered, I have 2 Subs and a pair of the Arc 300….. a pair of move 2’s and a stand alone amp and 2 zones…… should be all I’ll need……
Maybe for you! I love Sonos! No comparison between the others!
I have the arc gen 1 right now, looking forward to hearing about the updates
Thank you Peter. I enjoy and appreciate your channel.
I just bought a month ago the arc, sub and era 100, and asked for any evolution of the bar and they told, not, is no planning for the moment, I'm really mad, because I must wait for the new version
At the store they will never tell you, they are just want to make a sale quick and get rid of their old inventory
Enjoy your Arc, it's great. We don't even know when the 2 will come out and if anything will improve.
Didn’t we have enough revolution last May?
While I think it would be cool if sonos implemented that heart tech into all the speakers in the soundbar I bet they will implement it into 1 or 2 for the bass of the soundbar. If they implement it into all of the speakers I would think the amplification/power supply required would be too much to fit in the soundbar. That makes me wonder why more soundbar manufacturers don't have an external power supply. I would mind if it was external if it meant better sound for the speakers.
Thanks Peter as always! You the man!
They’re going to have to really knock The Gen 2 out the park with the way the headphones/app played out. They need to be able to push an even larger soundstage bc the 990c and 990d soundbar offers a better soundstage currently but their subwoofer is lackluster. And please for the love of god can we get center channel control! Would be nice if they added a button for trueplay or an included microphone for room tuning
I sold my Arc in the beginning of the year and got the Sony HT-A9 instead. However, I kept my 2 x Era 300's in anticipation for the either Arc Gen 2 or an Amp Gen 2
I been waiting for it. I’m ready to buy the gen 2 and put the gen 1 in my bedroom Pete thanks for the info.
Yep, me putting the Gen 2 in the movie room and the gen 1 in my new outdoor space where I just installed my pair of One's that I have had in storage since I upgraded to the era 300's.
@@jb7753 but like always, I will wait 3-6 months after launch in case they have problems and bugs to work out. I want to buy the headphones also but I’m waiting to see if they have a good Black Friday sale. Keeping my fingers crossed
How long does it take for the new gen?
@@eFFecTionHD if it is too happen, Pete thinks October / November
@@jb7753 thanks for your answer. I will wait for the update
Any news about when it will be announced?
My Son works for one of our top HiFi shops in my country (JBHiFi in New Zealand) and he went to an internal expo (not for the general public) with all the other sales teams, and while there he went in the draw to win the Sonos Ultimate Immersive Set and won the full set for free (Sonos Arc soundbar, Two x Era 300 speakers, Sonos Gen 3 Subwoofer). As we speak, they are shipping it to him so he should have everything by the end of next week. Looking forward to hearing it. It makes sense why they have done this after watching this with the Gen 2 Arc soundbar about to be released soon, but still to get this whole set for free is a win win since my son up until now has only used his TV audio for gaming. This will be a huge upgrade to his bedroom sound and if he decides to upgrade to the Arc gen 2 sound bar in the future, he now gets 45% off the retail price for Sono's products anyway being a JBHiFi staff member and since he has done the Sonos training modules.
How interesting 🙄
Interesting to compare the Gen 2 vs Harman Kardon 1100 setup that I heard still solid. Only issue with HK 1100 is no Apps to control.
Excited for the ARC 2 but I'm going to be annoyed when I see how much it costs I'm sure.
I'm guessing $1299
I agree, they won't get another dime from me either and I just feel cheated. I have 2 Sub Gen 3s, 2 ERA 300s, 2 SL1s, 2 Moves, and the Arc. The hardware is beautiful and powerful, but the software which ultimately drives everything is downright DISGUSTING! You are free to go right on ahead and pick up all of the Sonos hardware, if you want, but the software the system relies on is garbage. It's trash and it's not just because the UI and the UX are trash, but that the system requires that software in order to even produce sound. And the software is so buggy that you will spend hours trying to reconnect the speaker just because you changed your Wi-Fi password or Wi-Fi set up. Then when you get it changed and you think you have it connected then all of a sudden everything will disconnect and then you'll have to reset your Wi-Fi and you'll have to reset your app and you'll have to update your app and then you'll have to reset your phone and then you have to reset your phone again and then you'll have to reset your Wi-Fi again and then you'll have to factory reset all of your equipment (which requires you to go to each product and hold a button while plugging the product back in) and all of a sudden you decide I'm sick and tired of fooling with this and the next day you wake up and it works like you never ever spent the whole previous day trying to get it to work. But, trust me, you didn't really get it to work because it will absolutely crash again. Sonos software literally has me checking the Sonos app every DAMN DAY to see if everything is working properly. You don't spend thousands of dollars on a theater system, like I did, and not use it every single day! And every single day you're wondering what's going to be the New Sonos issue today!
You want to sit down on an evening after you finished work and a tough work week and just find a good movie with Dolby Atmos and enjoy the thousands of dollars you've spent on some of the best hardware out there to watch that movie and you simply can't watch it because Sonos software is garbage and that is not a dramatization!
I wish I would spend another dime on anything Sonos. As long as they have those 2 women running that software division, they will never get the software experience on par with the hardware. They need to be fired! And, I am down with any class action suit that gets levied against Sonos. And, BTW, I had to go out and by an iPhone to tune my system as well. 🤬 And, much of the software issues revolve around Sonos trying to make sure the software works with Android, but not with the Google ecosystem! Sonos has spent so much time trying to make sure that Sonos products don't work with the Google ecosystem that even using iPhone(their preferred connectivity device) equipment doesn't resolve the problems. It's bled over into iPhone setup with their equipment. And you can best believe that none of your NEW (2023 OR NEWER) hardware will work with anything Google, and the Sonos Voice Assistant is straight garbage!
I say buy at your own risk! You have been warned!
BTW, I love Peter's channel because he's definitely given strong support to keep my Sonos equipment up and running properly, but there's only so much he can do!
The Sonos software division is the truly deplorable culprit here!
RANT OVER! 😂😭
1] they need to get their App in order.
2] they need better compatibility and codes.
3] their hardware setup needs to at least rival Samsung q990d. So more tweeters and woofers, more high and surround channels. If not just be noticeably better sonicly.
4] their DSP need to rival Sony HT9 for 3D sound.
5] and for the last, they cannot over charge like Apple, if they are not much better than competition. Cause they are not, looking at the app and outdated codes….
Do you think Sonos will ever add DTS X or HD MA to the Arc? I use mine in my cinema room but its a real pain not being able to play lossless audio in older movies not encoded in Atmos. I don't know why they don't offer it as an optional paid software upgrade.
I don't get this either , if you look at the current options like Sony's theatre quad for instance they even support Imax Enhanced and of course DTS-X. Most brands support almost every audio codec. For me it would be a reason not to buy Sonos and go for another brand instead.
@@remco3819 Agreed. I’ve got Sonos all round my house but seriously thinking of jumping to Sony for my cinema room.
Especially after they added the support for basic DTS a few years back.
@@jb7753 indeed , but somehow i don't see that changing anytime soon which is weird to me. You would think you want to be equal or ahead of the competition as much as possible in these cases.
I'm excited for the Sonos Arc gen 2, is there a company or website that will give top dollar for my Sonos Arc?
I’m going to hold onto my Sonos gym one art speaker!🤨
Thank you for the video - I have Arc Gen 1, 2 Sub and 2 Era 300. Would you expect the upgrade to Arc Gen 2 to be evolutionary in this case or still revolutionary?
How do you have an Arc Gen 2 when it hasn't even been announced?
@@andrewqchen it was a typo, now amended.
BOSE user here ,
What is all this talk about their app ? I was looking to switch to Sonos possibly
Would be great to see a upgraded version of the current Arc, at least for the people not wanting to add a sub. I am currently using the Arc combined with a sub gen 3 and two Sonos Era 300s. I’m very happy with my setup at the moment and do not expect to upgrade anytime soon.
And the complaints about the app… people please, give it time. They tried to innovate and take a different approach. It backfired, okay. They recently apologised and now we all have to move on and stop exaggerating, it isn’t all that bad.
There is no succes without failure, that goes for Sonos as well.
So people, please show some kindness, that won’t hurt, right.
It is the Sonos leadership that should show some kindness and appreciation for their customer base. They did the opposite rushing the app out. The launch of the app was one of the most disastrous decision a household brand has ever taken
Fact
As I heard Sonos Arc Gen2 will be named Lasso. Let's wait release
Could you recommend to buy now a Sonos system? Included the Arc, Sub and 2 Era 300 or would you go away from sonos?
My personal experience is that the quality of the product is fantastic. I don't necessarily push my system for volume, more so sound quality and surround sound. My system is an arc, gen 3 sub, and 2 x Era 300's, which I upgraded from 2 x Sonos One's for rear speakers. That said, even at 25 out of 100 is plenty loud and it just goes up from there.
The upgrade to 300's from One's was amazing. I was then able to use the One's in another area of the house, and they have moved into that space beautifully.
Regarding the faults of Sonos, yes, for some people who use the app features more than what I do, it was BAD!!! and for the CEO to take so long to put out a statement was a bit poor.... Also, this is their second large-scale fault in about a year. But, they did fix them, albeit eventually in some cases.
I can't comment for other brands in this "soundbar" system space as I've only had Sonos. Previously, I used amp and big speakers, etc. I don't know if other brands send out regular updates to improve the sound, etc, but for the $$'s you put into a Sonos system it's good to know it stays up to date and you're getting the best quality. I was also impressed when they added support for DTS a few years back... It would be great if they supported DTS:X at some point...
Increase the trade in value of the arc v1.0 against the arc v2.0 to show loyalty towards your existing customer base , who are willing to spend money knowing that the current flawed app has restricted and broken functionality inherent in the previous versions.
If the Arc 2 produces higher levels of bass then how will Sonos persuade customers to buy the Sub?
So you think SUB module is not required for ARC ten 2? sound bar itself is good enough to produce good lower frequency sounds?
Will this come with multiple HDMI connections? I have multiple devices to connect like an apple tv and want to ensure the arc 2 will improve off the arc in this area
They need to be able to set up an amp as atmos ceiling speakers
When I can get the 990C for close to $700, the Sonos soundbar would have to make me breakfast, lunch, and dinner for me to justify paying Sonos inflated prices for a soundbar with issues, especially considering they also nerfed the gen 1.
Samsung HW-Q990D at Woot for $900. If you like the Sonos ecosystem, then it's for you.
I paid 570€ for my Q990D yesterday, cannot beat that.
Sonos is too expensive for being worse product right now.
Sonos Arc 2 has to be revolutionary in some way for me to justify jumping bridges to it.
@@KryssN1 where did you find it for such low price?
@@Turbokas1 promotion in Samsung Nordic for customer who purchased TV for more than 1800€ in last 12 months.
Had to registered your TV in Samsung website and have enabled newsletter.
50% promo code, that was from about 1450€ to about 725€ and was able to use points worth 153€ that I got from purchase of TV.
Which made that amount.
You can also pay in 12 months 0% installments with Klarna, so I am paying 50€ a month 🤣
New Sonos arc ultra, come now i oktober 15 🤩
I just got the arc with two sub gen 3’s and two era 300 rears ima return the arc and wait for the arc 2
I haven the beam 2 for 2 years… so I sell it and now I have the arc for 2 months ago and I think I gonna be stock with this soundbar for ever, I just too good I even can get the volumen in 90 or 100%.. I still thinking I get the sub mini one more time..
I hope the Arc 2 will have better stereo separation. Stereo content on the 1 sounds much too centered for me.
That's true of most soundbars.
I’ve spent close to $10 000 on SONOS products and the latest app has soured my experience, so my answer is No, I will Not be upgrading to the new Arc.
I just got into the Sonos ecosystem a week ago.. the first gen arc is good but all the other items I picked up are a big POS and so is their app. I regret getting into their ecosystem
I think Sonos needs to act fast to boost sales with a new product that restores customer confidence. Otherwise, they’re going downhill, all because of their own app. Even their CEO has come out apologizing for the mistakes and poor management over the past few months.🤞
I was gifted a Sonos Arc from my wife at my birthday. I immediately returned it as I am waiting for the 2nd gen. due to all of the rumors or a upgrade soon to come. I would be so sad to have spend such big money for a device that will be be outdated within a couple of months.
My wife clearly understood my thoughts and agreed that it would be better to wait for the next upgrade as we've been used to a TV sound for the past 10 years. So waiting a couple of months was no biggie 😄
Looking forward to seeing and feeling the revolution!
So do you expect the bass performance of the Arc gen 2 to be as good as the Sonos Sub? And you eventually have the same performance from a gen 2 towards the current going Arc + Sub? 🙂
I almost purchased the Sonos Ace headphones.... but some compatibility is not working for some customers.... 😢
Sonos should allow the use of a second sub mini .. this could easily be implemented via a firmware update.... they would sell more sub mini ....
Is there any hope of Sonos putting in a 2nd HDMI port to output video for those of us who don’t have eARC TV’s?
Highly doubtful... Besides, you definitely should consider upgrading your TV for the fraction of the cost that an Arc would cost!
this will be real revolution for sonos
It’s about to be November
It seems the Era 300’s have enhanced the Sonos soundbar system but the Arc is a few years old now and I’ve read it’s going to be replaced in late autumn with a new arc 2. I think if you are updating a product that hasn’t been changed in years you would expect a substantial improvement rather than a small incremental one. Having watched a few video reviews the general consensus is that the soundbar is the weakest link in the system with the Gen 3 sub and Era 300 surrounds. Not shabby by any means but could be better with dialogue and less artificial sounding.
The only question i have, will it support the Google assistant and will it be a finished product?
Hi there… I’m happily waiting for the new arc gen 2 and the new Apple TV (2025?)
Has Sonos fixed the missing local library issue on the app? The Sonos forums are mixed to negative. Any experience with local library function?
Great vid
I am frustrated with Sonos, it’s getting disconnecting countless times from system
Sonos please do something 🙏🏻
I heard that the Sonos arc ultra is the new name for the new sound bar is this true
1:54 me with a subwoofer 💀
I am one of those people that is holding back with Sonos till this new release will come out. Still the lack of support of DTS-X etc is a problem for me. Then there is the new Sony Bravia Theatre Quad that offers a surround sound that Sonos can't beat. I don't think this soundbar is going to deliver that because it's a soundbar and that can never be as immersive as a full surround set up. I was hoping Sennheiser would be releasing surrounds speakers but unfortunately that has not happened yet.
I’m very confused why the arc was so successful with only having one port, and not really supporting that many audio formats, but I even bought one only to replace it with a Samsung system.
Just have a mercy to give a simple remote to avoid depending on mobile .
They can’t defy the laws of physics. Speakers move air for sound, so the bigger the cone, the more air=louder and more/deeper bass. They can move more air with long throw drivers or increase the cone size artificially with passive radiators. All of this has been done and all of these features currently exist on the current Arc. Higher quality drivers with a premium cone material, a longer throw and bigger magnet can produce more and better sound, but will cost a lot more. I think they realized they can now charge up to $1500 for a sound bar so they will use more premium drivers and amps in a similar form factor and it will easily outperform the Arc gen 1 as well as other soundbars currently on the market. Start saving!
Peter Pee please best settings for arc+sub+2 five +2 eras 300 please😊
Sonos don't need a newer soundbar. They should make it possible to use more speaker for their Atmos setup. Like a Beam G2 as Center, 4x Era 100 or 300 and 1-2 Subs. Waiting for Googles Atmos-Codec that allows you to setup any speaker to your setup.
Let's see what they cooked up for the Arc Gen. 2. At least 2- 3 HDMI inputs would be nice. Sound should be on the same level as the Sennheiser Ambeo Plus. If they had Rears I would have bought the Ambeo over the Arc for 100%.
Debating Sonos Arc 2 or Sony Quad. Let’s see what Sonos comes out with.
I must say I don't like the new app at all but after reading forums and other sites I'm left shaking my head.. am I seriously the only one who has never had an issue with the system?
I’d rather have a next gen sonos five with side and top firing speakers so we can use it instead of the era 300 for 7.1.4 surround
It's always interesting to me how these no name companies can figure out something a team of engineers at a 30+ year old speaker company with millions in R&D budget can't especially when physics hasn't changed.
What's the point of better bass on a ARC gen 2 if you have a Sub Gen 3 already and it takes ALL the bass away from the Speakers anyways..
DTS:X, bluetooth and an hdmi 2.1 port would be nice
Can you do a review of the Bose Ultra Soundbar? And the Bose Bass unit and surrounds to make a 5.1.2 set up.
My current Sonos speakers still don't work correctly because of the software "upgrade". Why the hell would I buy another Sonos product?
Grilled fish spaghetti!!!
Arc Gen 1 is clearly a generation and a half behind the work they have done on the ERA 300. . Its dispersion and sound stage are too limited. I like its fidelity and overall clarity, but it cannot accomplish some of the spatial feats that the era 300 can.
If it works! Hehehe.
Grilled Fish Spaghetti ❤
Haha! You caught that! I should have turned off notifications from my Whatsapp!
@PeterPee it was funny, I wasn't expecting it haha. Just as a heads up... Mahyt is pronounced like "Might" as in "mighty". That's the only Sonos insider information you're getting from me 😂
For me the recent app issues have made me realise that something that is so app dependent is not what I want anymore. You can’t even use the aux in on the fives anymore without going in to the app to select it. Where’s the auto switching gone. For me I just don’t like the interaction with the app and products. Sometimes it would be nice to control volume or skip a track without opening an app on your phone. The Sonos controller was a good option.
The latest software upgrade was a fiasco! As always I lost my trueplay settings ( android user)
So I have to find someone with a IPhone and come to my place... why didn't they store my settings on their servers or on a memory chip on my sonos Arc ? Its the third times in 4 years I've lost my trueplay settings 😡😡😡
trueplay doesn't work for me on IPhone 14pro. Beam2 +ERA300s
I only use the Arc Gen 1 as I don’t have to use that pos app.
Lasso 2 era 300s vs Nakamichi Dragon?
I Hope for a few more HDMI jackets.
If Sonos fails again they will be gone im waiting for Arc 2
I have both Sonos Arc with two gen 3 subs and SL 1s and Naka-Dragon, Nakamichi wins hands down!
Great video Peter and I would be excited for the Arc2, but with this latest app disaster which is still close to useless, I will not be giving Sonos any more of my cash.
I have Arc, pair of Ones, Sub, pair of Era 300s.
They need this app sorting out as they are committing commercial suicide at the moment with this app.
I will shocked if it gives such low frequencies in the bass