Can You Game on a $6,000 Mac Pro??
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Sure, the new Mac Pro is supposed to be a workstation, but that doesn’t mean it can’t game... right?
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The stock Radeon Pro 580X in the 2019/2020 Mac Pro is disappointing to say the least. It’s a budget card from 2017 dressed up in a sleek new MPX format to save face and it falls short; not just for gaming but for compute as well. So what GPUs can help accomplish those tasks better. What about a new generation NVIDIA RTX 2080 Super or last-gen NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti? Apple blocked NVIDIA’s Mac web drivers in Mojave so only older Macs can use their GPUs in macOS. But will it work in Windows via Boot Camp or virtualization in Parallels or VMWare? Maybe we should try out an AMD 5700XT GPU which has killer performance for the price and is compatible with macOS? Let’s find out all of this and more!
3:45 Haha! Sometimes we make mistakes. I’m out of the country on vacation and my cinematographer did a great job putting the video together but we accidentally slipped the wrong clip in at 3:45 which I didn’t catch on my quick 360p proofing on the bullet train back to Tokyo. This is not the real DDU and should not be downloaded-it is certainly not the one I used in my testing. This is one of many reasons that I recommend running an ad blocker even though my business model is supported by internet display ads. There are some scummy ones out there! I will link the correct one in the description. My apologies for the error! - Quinn
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Was always pinned. ;)
Snazzy Labs good video bro, big follower here.
@@snazzy Why didn't you guys get a Pro Vega II Duo? I clicked thinking I would see a 28.2 TFLOPS graphics card do ray-tracing or run games at 8K..........
Apple making computers 'Grate' again
He should've trolled his viewers and run solitaire on the expensive Mac.
XD
Hey it can game solitaire, hence it is a gaming computer... LOL
haha good one dude. that made me laugh so hard
Shamsulazhar
I only wanted to see Minecraft run on this
@@thomasjensen1590 How about some text console games? There must be several nethack versions for macOS. :D
I bet games run grate on this, especially after paying a lot of cheddar
That was not a gouda pun.
Im Emmental about these jokes.
You guys got some cheesy humour.
When they are not just poorly ported Windows executables, they run better than any PC can game with the same specs. Windows is just too clunky and bad
@@Etienne_H excuse me, where's the cheese based pun in your comment?
Quinn: I will get Nvidia support if I install Windows.
Apple: Don't worry, we already installed Nvidia blockers for ya. You're welcome.
If you’re using bootleg you can install Nvidia. Apple include an official article on how to do this on their website.
nVidia - "We'll strangle our Mac development tools and make them run like shit because we're making money off of miners." nVidia dropped the ball 5 years ago with Apple, not the other way around. I DO NOT develop shit on nVidia anymore and my life is way more profitable and better.
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Gaming Senpai fandroid / PC fake master race detected
@@JosephOfArabia ifart detected
Most people: install boot camp run windows 10 and play new games.
Me: would install windows XP in VirtualBox and run space cadet pinball.
😂
Oh a classic
CS 1.6
I know that was a joke but fyi space cadet is available to run in mac os using an emulator!
no need for a emulator, just use wine to run the original xp binary
So, wrap-up:
"Can You Game on a $6,000 Mac Pro??"
NO
tested like 2 games?
@@battyflaps5410 well,,, I believe you can play all the "bubbles games" available on App Store with this mac.
@@battyflaps5410 you didn't understand a single word this guy said in this video right? If you don't please shut your mouth cuz you look stupid.
You summarize the whole video with a NO. 🤣😂
well yes, but actually no
Remember those “hello Im a mac, and Im a PC” ads where apple tried to place PC as a boring, word/excel work only machine?
I think the ads would probably have aged just as well as hipster culture. Hipsters have made everything over-complicated these days. They deserve the Apple they have today. Things have just reversed... PC folks are like "it just works". Apple folks are like "I need to google 15 things to see how to make this shit work."
oh yeah and now Mac is the best for work, PC is the best for gaming, if you want just gaming don't buy a Mac and game lmao
@@davidebalzarotti7162 why is Mac so good for work?
A PC can literally do everything that a Mac can and then some. The only difference is first-party software from Apple that is only available on a Mac (some of which is also available for Windows, just not the "pro" stuff).
Still, Adobe Premier is just as good as Final Cut, so you can always find a piece of software on Windows that is at least as good as its equivalent on Mac.
Also, Macs are overpriced and underpowered (in relation to the price-performance balance).
@@elimalinsky7069 never seen such bullshit as in this comment, lmao
Davide Balzarotti mac is so shit
This guy sounds like the Doug DeMuro of tech
😂 lol why is it so accurate he even looks like him
Yesss
On point 😂
Doug score for this MAC ?
"And now for the weekend categories in styling. The Mac is a handsome machine but not particularly beautiful it gets a 6 out of 10"
“Yes” would be an understatement. You could look like a TASer.
Consumers: can it play games?
Apple: we also sell apple stand and soon to come out the apple wheels
Basically your paying that 6000$ pice tag for the Mac case. 😂
Because that is Apple metal........extracted iron present inside the roots of apple trees
Ariel Kapell 😂😂😂😂
The metal is actually made from vibranium.
I really don’t understand macs I personally built my pc for about $3800 and would destroy this mac in any benchmark. You’re literally paying for the case and OS
@@ImJustShadow. yeah you're paying for a case that looks worse than a 50€ case
So the TLDR would be:
"Yes, but WHY?"
@VideoCommenter i don't know... if you make enough money to buy even basic mac pro, you do also have money to buy or build deticated gaming PC. Besides i would probably not will mix windows and macos on same machine where i make money. Divide and rule you know :).
@Wilhelm installing bootcamp and another gpu like 5700xt is a lot of hustle too. And (if you are not sarcastic) 5700xt is nothing like cutting edge for gaming even in 4k and especially on 6k.
TL;DR is just yet another way of being lazy. That statement drives me nuts. When did that even become a thing?
About 17 years ago, Chris.
More like "Not really without a lot of time, money and work. So why?"
Yes, you can with windows installed. So it’s a pc
Also Linux probably.
luxembourger ...and be stuck with even less apps! All that does is prove that you are literally clueless about command line Unix in the terminal session.
@@sdushdiu Let's agree to disagree, mate.
luxembourger Disagree all you like. The fact remains that you are clueless regarding the benefits of a real UNIX over your puny Unix wannabe that, among other things, can run your few puny apps.
@@sdushdiu Only reason Macos is Unix certified is because Apple pays for the certification process. They BARELY comply to the dated spec for Unix. How impressive.
Linux(with GNU) and other BSDs are mostly if not fully Unix compliant with modern, actually standard features that are universally supported, unlike Macos.
Application support to me has always been a bad excuse for an OS' superiority. Especially if every single useful application on your OS costs money, even if they only expose functionality that should be there in the first place (like normal scrolling behaviour). Macos has its annoyances and barriers that prevent you from configuring it in a way it's usable.
There's a reason DXVK works on Linux, but not on Macos and there's a reason most servers run Linux and not Macs, and these advantages carry over to the desktop too.
But enlighten me, what benefits of your "real UNIX" does Macos have over Linux.
Long speech short conclusion: Buy a PC for gaming.
John Doe even better just buy a pc
Absolutely
Haterade yeah, no thanks.
yeah but he explains exactly how and why this thing is a piece of shit. i guess you don't like good writing though. thats ok.
You’re the only big creator doing in-depth stuff like this, THANK YOU.
(I’m likely never getting a Mac Pro, though)
Cheers!
haha he just download a virus instead of the real DDU
Lol I didn’t even notice this when proofing the video. My cinematographer filmed all of this while was away on vacation. Whoops!
@@snazzy Yeah, I thought that was a joke.
Most of the times, I don't know what you're saying Quinn, but I'm watching anyway.
Still can't justify the price of this computer, except the ProRes + Afterburner… which is a very weird investment. But I like your videos and approach.
Thanks! We can’t justify the cost either, but it’s pretty fun. 😉
Does anyone else think that if Steve Jobs was alive today Apple would be waaaaay better
He lowered the cost of the iPhone 3 to like £300, I don't see Apple doing that today
@@snazzy The cost is easily justified for professionals who work on video editing, extreme 3D rendering, scientific computation and machine learning. The Mac Pro is cheaper than Windows workstations with similar specs like the Dell Precision 7920 and HP Z8 G4.
@@amw6394 iPhone SE costs $400 contract free. The iPhone 3G Foster $300 for a two year contract.
*spending $6,000 on the Mac Pro*
“But can it run Minecraft?”
no😂
Tiger Eye - Haha, so funny, I am actually ROFL right now.
Sadly no
it can run Minecraft without any problems because Minecraft is on Mac OS, even my MacBook Pro 16 runs it perfectly
@@juPitertv-uh2qz r/wooosh
5:03 top right of his head
Ghost Adventures: ITS A SPIRIT TRYING TO CONTACT US FROM THE BEYOND
Steve Jobs: "It just works"
Getting a sense of Déjà Vu here
Everything really used to "just work", at least when Steve was around. Apple is trash now. :(
I'm not particularly an Apple fan, but I definitely agree with your statement. Steve would have seen a video like this and yelled at his engineers. "WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED! IT SHOULD JUST PLAY A G*D D**N GAME!"
Cook probably sees this as more vendor lockin / walled garden. "Make it harder for them to do non-Apple things on the Mac. I want them to SUFFER if they try! Remind them who their master is!"
u mean like the iphone 4 just worked ? lose all ya signal if u " hold it wrong " jobs blamed the users for that problem, he isnt a genius he is arrogant
@@girlsdrinkfeck He did have his arrogant moments. Definitely. But, most of the time he acted like the "asshole user that just wants shit to work". That was his primary role at the company. He pushed engineers to make things easier to use. Didn't always work. And, Steve started getting caught-up in his own self-importance at times. But, the iPhone sort of set the standard for smartphones to come. The iPad made tablets more accessible to normal folks. (Microsoft and others tried to make tablets before then, but they always wanted stylus or the touch interface was awful. Steve pushed for a very robust touch-only interface). Steve wasn't perfect. But, he pushed for innovation. Ever since Tim Cook took over, Apple seems to be barely staying ahead of others on the hardware front. To be fair, you can only do so much with hardware before it becomes a commodity that everyone is doing equally well. But, their big "innovation" is to do what everyone else is doing: just make everything a service and get people to pay monthly fees. But, they want to make it where you can only use their services on their devices. So, they're tryign to turn their expensive devices into very expensive keys to a walled garden. As the devices lag in innovation, and the services are "also ran" versions of others that are equally good.. folks start to wonder why they're sticking with Apple and it's expensive lock-in model. Apple should be focusing on battery tech to make iPhones that last weeks on a single charge. (They own a lot of battery patents, but don't seem to be leveraging them as well as they could). Instead, they've switched from innovator to follower.
Isn’t Steve Jobs hated when he is a CEO? Media trash him and PC users trash him and Apple users. People always make fun of him and his fans. But when he died, everyone took a 180 on him
Why didn't you use both amd cards at the same time? By passing one of the radeons into windows and keeping the other one just for mac os?
Great vid, Quinn! I know you've prepared yourself for the flood of "PC Gamers" and "Apple snobs" that don't retain all that valuable information, (and hit the comments section after reading the title) but I love how critical you are about hardware like this!
On a side note... are you going to cover tech at CES this year?
Not going to make it to CES this year, sadly. I’m in Japan! :)
Snazzy Labs If you’re in Tokyo hit up Tsukumo or Softmap in Akihabara!
*edit Softbank to Softmap
@@mashiroinoue Or Strange Parts
what wtf... this 6000$ "pc" litteraly has the same GPU as my littlebrother's 600$ budget build??? wow, what dafuq is wrong with apple?
SebSWib mac books are *not meant* for gaming
@@nabz6817 i know.. but still
@@nabz6817 If it can game, it can do everything else.
@@nabz6817 They are meant for *nothing*
The lesson we can learn from this. If you buy something that looks like a cheese grater, it will probably run like a cheese grater.
I'm a simple man. I see a new Snazzy Labs video, I watch and then upvote.
👊
Who gives a shit if you upvote.
Yes. Not even close to a $6000 gaming PC, but yes, it can play games.
Probably because it isn’t a gaming PC.
Snazzy Labs yes, and that’s fine.
flexing a PCIe switch
-quin nelson 2020
To be fair, he's flexing a very 'snazzy' PCIe switch.
@@meloD30 yeah😂
tutorial#1: how to play on mac?
1- u don't. instal windows.
True as hell :)
Ah. But it's "How to play on Mac". Not "How to play on Mac OS".
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@@NIKONOVICH1990 ✊✊✊👊👏👏👏👏👏🤜🤛🤛
Linux.
I can build a computer for the quarter of the price that has better performance...
No kidding....its absurd what they charge for such garbage when compared to a built PC.
@@slashbrackets3397 go watch some real Mac Pro videos and you will see you are sadly mistaken...this machine is not for gaming..it is for professionals...hence the name
@@chrisevans936 he literally made fun of this thinking in this video... hardware that's good for gaming and professionally work is basically the same these days unless you need a ton of cores. But no... no professional would buy the base model mac pro if they know anything at all about computers. It's way underpowered and overpriced. If you cant afford one of the higher end mac pros than you re really should not be buying one. And even then if you buy you're own storage and ram.youd save a ton of money. You can also build PCs that are better and cheaper that are just as good or better, imo, for professional work.
@@chrisevans936 its a very powerfull machine so its supposed to be able to play some good heavy games
@@chrisevans936 the $50k Mac comes with graphics cards that are not really better than an RTX 2060 Super, you would be way better off spending $20k-25K on a systen with 4x RTX TITANS 24GB and DUAL XEONs (if you even want Xeon processors), Quadro cards are a bit overrated but you could go up to $30K-$35K for a system that has 4x Quadros RTX 8000 48GB , either the Titans or the Quadros would completely beat 7 of the best AMD graphics cards has to offer (that are not the ones that come with the Mac Pro), so i really hope you are trolling cause you don't know shit about professional work.
Thing is you are not actually gaming on a Mac. You are gaming in a VM running on a Mac. Two very different things.
Can the $6000 Mac Pro game?
Not without another several hundred dollars for an extra part!
To be fair, the whole "the system must run what it was shipped with" is not always true. However, in practice it is. One example that comes to mind is being able to run Snow Leopard 10.6.8 (I believe 10.6.8 introduced the changed keyboard layout) on a MacBook Pro Late 2011 which shipped with Lion (MacBookPro8,1). The reason it worked was because it was an almost identical system to the early 2011 MacBook Pro and shared the same model ID. I haven't tried it on the 2015 and 2017 MacBook Air (since they share the same MacbookAir7,x model ID), but it may actually be possible to run pre-Sierra macOS on the 2017 MacBook Air.
You forgot to include the link to your PPC to x86 switch video at around 2:58.
Added to the description. My apologies. Am in Japan and RUclips’s mobile apps suck and don’t allow me to add these haha
@@snazzy You're in Japan?? I usually hate vlogs but for Japan I'd take a gander. It's such a weird place.
Are you related to Dough DeMuro?
Why is this comment always written? They don't even look alike or speak similarly.
@@BrawndoQC I don't generally go through the comments, so I've never seen it. But I've been watching some Doug DeMuro and found they look and sound similar.
@@BrawndoQC they have similar speech rhythmn
Brawndo think. then think again
quirks and features
4:53 hunt showdown! masterpiece
Thank you Snazzy Labs. I'm switching to custom gaming PC with windows.
I feel so much better right now about my decision to not go the Mac Pro route ( after 20 years of using MacOS ) and going the Ryzen 3950x 2080TI route instead.
@@billB101 .Ever since of that MAC PRO I thought it was gonna be a badass gaming computer but macs are only for those photography and video editing and music. Tim Cook is dumb should've mad the mac pro for gaming and that right there apple could've dominate.
@@savage_tribal_chief To be honest, that's what I do ( video, 3D VFX) I have no interest in gaming on my work rig.
Thanks for the review and your time really interesting.
My question is:
-If the 5700XT was an eGPU. Does windows run also "OK" with it?
Yeah. Its a regular RX 5700xt.
I feel like the whole point of this video was to rage about Nvidia and Apple incompatibility, even tho someone buying a Mac Pro could just grab a 5700 xt to game on. Or just buy a Vega instead of the RX580X
You:Calls 20 fps unplayable
Me on my raspberry pi: Hold my Minecraft java edition!
This one has no wires tho! Excellent design, the one I estimated was 57 grand.......
Then buy your own ram and suddenly it’s only $25 grand. You’re welcome.
I love the little cheese grater on your desk. What a wonderful tribute to apple.
with a 6k mac pro, i can now play minesweeper in 8k!
I have a *2010 Mac Pro.* MacVidCard GTX980, Kingston Predator 500GB PCIe SSD (bootable), some SATA SSDs, 32GB RAM, 4K Iiyama monitor.
All in it was about €1000 for all the parts and the second hand Mac Pro.
I play EU4, Civ6, HoI4, World of Warships, Fortnite, ARK, Cities:Skylines, XCOM2, Subnautica, Surviving Mars, Tomb Raider on OSX.
And GTA5, RDR2, Assassins Creed: Odyssey on a bootcamp Windows 10.
Most at 1920x1080 on Ultra, some of the less demanding games at 4K. It's the most cost effective way to game on a Mac.
next time do the opposite and game on the cheapest pc
Check my $70 hackintosh video!
Snazzy Labs already did but I meant a PC running Windows hehehe
Gets better performance
@@snazzy For the poor among us, could you decide on a time limit after which the video becomes free so we can build a Hackintosh at less expense ?
I'm a 100% PC guy, but still for some reason enjoy watching Quinn's videos.
I really do!
Thanks so much! 🙏
4:20 I really like that joke. How many hours of Steve did you have to endure to make that ?
In 2017 i bought a base model 2017 MBP for school stuff. I used it as a gaming pc too and it was a pain to game. After doing everything I could I got like 40 - 100 frames in games like fortnite. i was like 11 then. I am now 13 and have a gaming pc (i7 9700k 16Gb ram RTX 2080ti) and I playing the games I played on my Mac and what a difference in performance and graphics but i still use my mac for gaming when travelling.
Can we: Yes
Should we: *laughs in mac saying* No
4:14 Display Driver Uninstaller [not Display Driver Reviver] is meant to stop drivers from being reinstalled. And it has options that will fit for all scenarios; whether you're wiping them to replace the gpu with 1 from the other manufacturer, you're upgrading to another from the same manufacturer, or you're just reinstalling the drivers - these won't effect what actually gets uninstalled, just what the pc does after that [reboot, stay on, shutdown].
In theory, except Boot Camp drivers insist on re-installing every time you remove something until the tool is disabled within Windows.
For $5000 (not including the stand), they should’ve at least included variable refresh rate tech in the Pro Display
You’re videos are the best cause they have 2 of my passions in the same video. Watches and technology. Nice rolex you got there :)
4:29 OMG Todd Howard wasn't the first guy who said it!
"IT JUST WORKS"
Lets get crazy!! Give us a video with two amd cards with the 580x in your mac pro. Blow our minds!!
"Just works" 😁.
First time tuning in. Awesome content, presentation, and narration. Will come again-
Something I would love to know, with a 3rd party graphics card installed as the only GPU in the 2019 Mac Pro, do you get a boot screen? Or is it like with the old cheese graters where you can use other graphics cards but have no boot screen/boot selector?
No boot screen unless the card has Mac bios.
I heard Apple was going to do a gaming computer is that True? And you point to reference a video and nothing pops up?
No
~ *roll credits* ~
Idk where all the "Macs can't game" stuff came from but it's a common thing to read. My 2011 MacBook Pro at the time got me into PC gaming. It played games much better than even my current laptop which is a Razer Blade. Yes, Mac doesn't have the library Windows has but there is still COD, Portal, CSGO, TF2, etc that are there for OSX. But I also had a windows partition just for Skyrim. The reason I built a tower PC in 2013 was because that was just a project I wanted to do and thought it would be great to have all my games on one system while I'm home (my Windows partition on my MacBook Pro wasn't very big lol)
I play civ 6 on my 2009 mac pro. it plays it at 1440p pretty well imo.
Edir: for those who might wonder. Mojave doesnt support boot camp for the older cheesegraters.
I dont care for boot camp. I have a 590 in my machine. I also have 5675s. so I've already done that XD Still have those pops too XD
@@chloedegurechaff1941 What are these pops we are talking about? I have a 2012 Mac Pro with two X5680's and a 2009 Mac Pro with a single E5645 (old CPU from the 2012) and I haven't noticed any pop sounds
@uwu manko Mojave. I dont really care to upgrade.
@@Apevia21 Every once in a while my speakers will pop. doesnt matter what jack its threw. other than the front, the front doesnt do it from what ive seen. but its just some random loud pop that gets played threw my speakers. ive tried figuring it out but all i get is people with the macbook pro speaker popping thing. and just left to old computer has quirks.
Pc doug demuro back at it again with the quirks and features of the 6000$ mac pro
a $6k computer should be able to play all games at ultra settings out of the box lol.
One point not every one needs a good gpu (we don’t all make videos on our computers).
For me a Mac Pro would be a dream for music production. So I totally get it.
I'm still amazed that POS costs 6000 and comes with an RX580 GPU
Snazzy Labs where is the links that you was pointing at in the top right? I did not see anything there when I tried to see it when your video was still playing. Will you be adding them in when you can or are you just leaving it out to miss lead people? 2:56 to 3:00 and 8:50 to 8:55
The stock config - Spend $6000 to get gaming performance like a PS4 🤣
Pretty sure the stock rx580 would perform better than a ps4 however the bad gaming support on macOS made it perform worse.
$6,000 Mac pro with a $50 video card that probably cost Apple $5... makes perfect sense...
Thank you for showing us that the 5700XT does work in Mac OS and that new Mac Pro. Happy New Year Quinn.
Cheers!
As does the Radeon VII.
hautehussey Oh yeah! I saw that and I would be more interested in that card. Thank you. (:
Rarely comment on youtube videos, but I LOVED that you played Hunt: Showdown in your tests!
Best rig in my opinion:
Ryzen 9 3950x
Nvidia RTX Titan V
Costs less than this Mac.
Good luck finding drivers that have any graphics APIs at all for the Titan V.
The Titan V is for massively parallel vector computing, not for gaming, even though technically the GPU has all the hardware support for gaming, since it's built on the same architecture as the Titan X.
Not especially encouraging but there's a youtuber colleague to you running his Mac Pro with the Vega II card gaming under bootcamp windows and he got really good performance at maximum graphics quality settings.
Too bad OSX has such poor support for GPU's and too bad windows has this “great” feature of automatically update drivers.
Keep on testing Snazzy.
Yes, obviously you can. The question is “Can you game well?” The answer is “Depends on how you define ‘well.’ “
I've been a PC hardware enthusiast for nearly 30 years, building custom cooling solutions before AIO's were a thing, doing volt mods before RUclips was around (and you could easily watch a video to learn what the hell you were doing), modding cases when the only way to get a side panel window was to cut one yourself. I started building in the 90's, and have never looked back. But I'm also a designer and developer that has worked exclusively on MacOS for 20 years. I have a 16" MacBook Pro sitting right alongside my gaming PC, because I want a powerful gaming rig AND a powerful work machine. All told, the MacBook Pro was roughly $4.5k and the PC was around $3k (using bleeding edge components when it was built). If it were possible to combine the hardware into a single machine for work and play that was even close to the same price as buying two separate machines, I'd 100% take the plunge, no matter the outcry from my enthusiast friends. So yes, when a $6000+ Mac Pro can game at the same level as my 2080 TI equipped PC and also has an install of MacOS at the ready (not a hackintosh, been there already), I will sell the MacBook Pro and gaming PC and consolidate.
There is a use case for this kind of thing. Fanboys and platform loyalists will decry this sort of setup, but it shouldn't matter. The reality is the work that I do means I am going to invest heavily in my work machine without so much as a second thought, and working on that machine (a Mac) has afforded me the ability to build beautiful PC's, so it makes a lot of sense to me to bring those two together for the sake of convenience and for keeping my office minimal, clean, and free of clutter and additional hardware. So while it's not there yet as far as gaming performance, when the hardware eventually catches up, or more aftermarket cards are supported, I will absolutely go this route.
the dislikes are from people who think macbooks are the most powerful computers possible and that PC's are "ugly"
Awesome video! I love watching your videos to get the quick updates on cool new things, and learning what I should and should not buy XD
That's like asking if you can take a Ferrari to shop at Costco.
You can, but that's not what it's meant for.
Terrible analogy.
Burd ok gamer
lol next you’re gonna tell me I shouldn’t take my Sienna to the track...
shitty comparison. Ferrari is more than capable of shopping at costco, I get that you don't bring a sports car for shopping, but he had to install a 5700xt to get it to game well. The actual mac pro could not game well
Probably more like taking a G whizz to shop at Costco. The Mac doesn’t even have the horsepower at this price to game well.
I actually game quite comfortably on my late 2013 MacBook Pro. I have a good internet connection at my home and use Shadow PC. Works like a dream. I wanted to build a gaming PC this year but shelved the idea because it worked so well.
*Looks at my year old Mac mini with an eGPU in it that can game almost as well as my actual gaming PC*
Why didn't you guys get a Pro Vega II Duo? I clicked thinking I would see a 28.2 TFLOPS graphics card do ray-tracing or run games at 8K..........
Cause that can’t either lol
@@snazzy Sorry, I was trying to be funny (even though the potential of the card is there) xD
But seriously, did you guys not have an extra $5000 laying around to get one? Or is it actually not possible to run games on the most powerful consumer GPU of all time?
I have a better running computer at $600 and that’s saf
Squidrin
That’s Apple for you :) Giving you less for more.
your videos are always really nice and informative to watch!! Happy New year Snazzy!! :D
“It just works.” Not since 2009 sadly. Just ask Louis Rossmann
Thats why Apple and Bethesda are made for each other...maybe MacOS can get microtransactions and bugs galore
"F apple"!
Quinn!!! You need to talk about your watch game in a video, always on point!
Quinn, I don’t get it - PC brother in Arm here - the whole point is lost when you install a windows on a Mac to run games !
You dont need to. I run high end games on my 2019 iMac just fine at 120fps maxed. Don’t need to use boot camp other than to gain access to windows only games.
And a GPU, A 6k computer that you then have to upgrade with a decent GPU WTF
@@OzzyBoganTech Not at all, considering I run AAA games "tomb raider, etc" on even my old 2019 iMac 5k maxed out and get 120fps. A Vega 64 or higher runs games just fine on all 2018 Macs and above.
@@OzzyBoganTech You're paying for everything else, the GPU is more of a "this will run a display or two" thing than much else. The same board that you plug that 1.5TB of RAM and 28 core CPU is the one you find in that base model so there's a LOT of overhead for upgrades. Other OEM's would give you a less capable board for their cheaper options that would then limit you long term.
@@TalesOfWar you can get a impressive computer for 6k
Hi - posted this on your intel video too but wasn't sure if you would read it - apologies for double/cross posting:
Based on this, do you think it is worth waiting until they ARM the MacPro? I am tempted to replace my 2007 MP (heavily invested in PCI expanded slots including a RAID using mini-SAS so trying to save some money) but if they are likely to update the MP in the next year or so, I may just wait. I was tempted to upgrade this year to the base model and then over time add another faster CPU etc but my worry is that a) the chips will not be easy to get hold of and b) the ARM systems will be crazy faster.
Replace the motherboard and everything else, then install windows
Even though i dont like macs i watch your videos. learnt many things from you, even about windows & PCs
So, it would be like paying for a high end racing car that can only get up to 60 on the highway. No, that's a baaaad thing!!
Just ordered one… and I'm going to slap the Radeon VII from my Hackintosh into it. It's sad that it's cheaper, if you want a MacPro (no Wintel PC, no Hackintosh route), it's cheaper to get the base model and buy your own 3rd party upgrades.
Yeah the upgrades to it and also the iMacs is ridiculously overpriced to the insane... Buy the cheapest one, buy new CPU, buy better GPU, and throw away the old, ones and it is STILL less expensive.
mac people > flips a switch.. "ohhohho...so cool", the rest of the humans: "you wot mate?" :)
I really thought the Mac was a cheese grater in the thumbnail lol.
ahha apple is such an absurd company. this love/hate- relationship tho
Hi there, interesting video. I have a couple of questions though:
1.) Can you still use the Mac Startup Manager with the Radeon 5700XT installed in your Mac Pro 2019 (do you see it on the display)?
2.) Can you boot back into Mac OS from Windows (using the Boot Camp app) without any hassle?
3.) Is it mandatory to remove the MPX graphics card before you can use the Radeon 5700XT in Windows via Boot Camp, or can you have both cards simultaneously in your Mac Pro 2019 (with your display connected only to the Radeon 5700XT, and no displays connected to the MPX graphics card)?
What's more annoying? A pcmr paragraph or you impersonating one for 15 seconds?
Mission accomplished.
Can you buy grocery with a $6 million dollar tank? Of course!
I thought it was a cheese grater at first and was confused on what does a grater and a monitor have in common.
But how did you get the pcie power cables needed for a standard graphics card?
Why would I use an oversized cheese grater for gaming
Apple puts a 2017 $200 graphic card into their latest machine and charges $6000. I am convinced that they know magic