Okay PAP, if Ivan Lim remain in the party, ill not vote for you; no matter which GRC this Ivan is contesting in. TAKE HIM OUT! People, if you see this and agree, give me a like and post the same!
My ICT CO, a Lieutenant Colonel at the time, was a gold hearted gentleman, always did his best for his men, it was obvious for all to see, all of us felt and benefitted from his sincere work, and we repaid him with our cooperation and hard work, that is man management, it works both ways, what you give your men is what you get. This kind of thing very straightforward one, if you were good, people will have good things to say about you, if you were unreasonable and treated your men badly, you will have people saying ill things about you when they have the opportunity to speak up, as we can see in this case, soldiers don't lie, your military reputation will speak for itself, it is when you wear green, your truest colours are revealed for all to see.
Doesn't sound like A moment though. From the posts, it seems like MANY soldiers were unhappy with him. If it was only for A moment I doubt so many will soldiers buay song him. Masagos, you need to check your use of quantifiers. Totally opposite from my own commander. He study until University but damn humble guy. Our men are all willing to chiong for him because he is a good leader. Very few will chao keng because we wana give our commander face. This guy study till O level nia wana act what elitist? PUI!
He throughout Army playing with people’s son lives how is that not a red flag? What’s next criminal or a drug addict that turn over a new leaf can enter PAP since it is a moment’s folly and can redeem himself through entering politics? His speech is everything about him and his life story how fortunate he is and that body language tells alot. Clearly not the type of candidate you should want.
I don't think it is wise to allow candidates to prove themselves in these elections. If we give the guy a chance IF those rumours proved to be true, we will have a guy who doesn't care about his peers to represent us. What I learnt from school is that grassroot community helps people that needs help. If this guy doesn't even help his friends, how is he going to help those in need?
prove yourselves during the times u serve as a nobody instead of acting to serve after shortlisted. if u r genuine, your time on the ground serving will reveal your true intentions. talk is cheap especially when u want a free ticket to rule and not serve
PAP's youtube channel disabled comments for Ivan's video.. Scared? why disable the comments if they are confident in this candidate's character? Shame on you waterman for fielding him as a candidate
Elitism is the core trait of the men in white. That’s why it’s tolerated, behind closed doors it might even be celebrated. Sometimes, we get the odd, unintentional outburst of, “get out of my elite, uncaring face”. But such is life here in SG.... the politicians have such a good time on top for over 50 years, they forgot....
I hope Mr Masagos Zulkifli can remember what did Mr Tharman mentioned about what happened in Bukit Batok By election back in 2016. I quote "character of candidates is at the heart of politics”. Voters look at a politician’s actions over time, judge his motivations and integrity, and decide whether they can trust him. If Singaporeans ever come to ignore the track record and integrity of politicians, in the PAP or any other parties, it is Singapore that will end up in the gutter." This is what Mr Tharman commented, when somebody asked him about the character assassination to Dr Chee Soon Juan and gutter politics during the by Bukit Batok by election during 2016. I don't see PAP giving Dr Chee a chance to redeemed himself....
I also need to redeem myself. Can pap recruit me? I'm satisfied with the 15k per month salary. No need board of director positions. I'm also more educated than mr lim with a masters degree from NTU
Given the fact that there are a lot of people standing up to flag him out for his crappy attitude towards his colleagues and fellow comrades in the army, the party should just pull him out of this election and replace him with a better candidate. A leader should always have a sincere and humble heart to serve fellow Singaporeans.
Perhaps Keppel shld also Review his attitude and performance towards his subordinates/ work. But again, Keppel also owned by PAP so wishful thinking that justice will be done. imagine if he was not flagged and called out, pap will hv sneaked another AH in to rule over us common Singaporeans like their entitlement
It is necessary to examine how PAP selects their candidates. If academic quality weighs much higher than the individual emotional qualities Singapore’s leadership would be doomed
Let's give Chee Soon Juan a chance to redeem himself, shall we? Let's also give the Opposition Parties the opportunity to prove themselves, shall we? He is new, he is young. So are the Opposition Parties.
Exactly, you don't need a platform such as being a politician to redeem yourself or prove your worth. If you have the desire and will to serve the public, you can do it without aligning yourself to any political party.
This shows character of Masagos , defended Ivan at first instinct. As a person who been through NS , I will definitely believe in those reviews against Ivan, with even a RSM among the critics. Masagos, fought hard on 30% increase in water bills but didn't reveal full calculation on deriving the 30% figure. If not wrong, reason is 'best way to emphasise the scarcity value of water'.. He has secured himself a secure salary package in pap with the 30% increase. Many people forgotten Dr Tan Cheng Bock is the one who fought for free Sunday and holiday parking. It's hard to find a MP who fought for the people, foregoing millions of revenues.
He wouldn’t care anyway, every year getting fat bonuses and pay! For us, when would we get a 30% increase in our salary lol. These 30 increase would not affect hum but to common ppl, it’s another burden. Hope he do self reflection but I guess not! Their eyes are up above 😂
If that is the case better dont let me see your party talk about any "past mistakes" of the oppositions during online rallies, whatever ahtc or csj saga previously...u are supposed to let them redeem themselves right..
Aiyoh... why PAP ask this kind of people to join their ranks??? Really, really 'xia suay', like CCS would put it.... No confidence in a party that would field such a candidate! Better to vote opposition if this is the kind of candidates that PAP has.
Ivan lim had been expose . next better player please. He can drive his expensive car go how lian now. but he already got a a bad name from now on. no point of ya ya papaya or how lian anymore.
Athena M None has commented anything good about him. Isn’t that good enough to prove? Whatever it is, he’s screwed. Maybe his next doomsday is in Keppel.
The party leadership should address this character issue quickly and decisively or are they taking a position that they can squeeze this guy through based on Tharman’s popularity. If the vetting process is flawed, just admit it and move on (without this person). The court of public opinion is strong and even stronger with social media.
The sad trouble with current leadership is they dont believe they can be ever wrong. if so, won't apologise or take responsibility. Worst, will spin a story to justify or throw smoke on issue
Sir I m a senior citizen n I wonder why yr potential most come fr Army Air Force n Navy n fr Govt PA it is a sincere question Thank U pl dont feel offended n hv wrong Thoughts of me n I apologise if I ask wrong question that is n illegal intrusion
I still remember when i attended an event where many MPs were around. I will never forget the way they look at the rest of the public members, full of despise and contempt, could sense no cordial feelings at all. Even so when you approached them. That feeling was so uncomfortable that it has stuck with me till today. Aside from whether they are capable in their work or not, i believe such attitude already puts one off. It's as if humility is a withering decay that could never withstand the test of time.
@@onglielie I think is your self superiority complex that you cannot comprehend the point of humility. "In reality, humility is a type of modesty that will get you very far in your life as a person, a contender, and a leader. Let’s look at it another way. A person who lacks humility is arrogant. It is a person who only thinks of themselves and sees themselves as higher and better than others. There is no room for an arrogant person to improve themselves because they do not recognize their flaws. A person who is not humble does not have a growth mindset."
DPM Heng is a very capable transparent and sincere future leader in Singapore...he said new candidate Ivan Lim should clarify all those unpleasant comments about his arrogant attitude when he was a army officer in the NS...Minister Heng never swept the dirt under a carpet...I salute you Sir...this is the first time in Singapore history the public painted an ugly character picture of a new PAP candidate standing for election...it will tarnish the highly reputable image of the ruling party PAP if out of nowhere...a rottened apple surfaced...forgive me...I am not here to draw blood from anyone but if there is no fire...there will be no smoke as the saying goes...what Singapore need are capable...selfless...dedicated...humble...caring...tough going...willing to take risks leaders who can win hearts of the common citizens...in good and bad times...the PAP have done well for decades...I speak from my heart...not from my mouth though I do not support any political party but Singapore was like a abandoned child by Malaysia decades ago...left to die but survived till this day because nanny PAP nursed this dying under-nourished child into a prosperous healthy macho man...God's blessings are on this tiny red-dot island...Amen
did he have a choice?? he is only smarter than min magos as it's all over the internet. what worries me more is whether the screening system is flawed or they actually endorsed such a character till he got caught ?!!!!🤥
At this stage and you are talking about redemption. Don't you think it is too risky and late. This is for a parliament seat and concern matters of the nation.
if you r real, serve the community for the next 5 years without the allowance & title. your genuineness can then be proven u r here to serve and not rule with huge allowances. Let your actions speak for yourself or since no title & $, disappear and only reappear next time round like OYK. I am sure after his first defeat that he said he will not contest again? or was I mistaken?
Look, Ivan should not quit. He should defend himself rigorously. Every candidate must be able to stand up to all scrutiny. Now, you are telling voters a very strong message about the party's selection process.
so controversial and unreal again. one moment, he will stay on course, soon after he Withdraw. Got sacked or withdraw?!?! only PAP will know the truth. Like that also can admit fault (wrong candidate) drop him and move on. Still must save face, ignore screening mistake and say no time to get into it
as the saying goes: people dont remember the most what you said, what you did but how you made them feel.. politics is about getting the mandate from the people and you dont have it - all the best Ivan
Such politically correct answer as usual... God forbid if the senior ministers are the ones under fire, no need to redeem or prove themselves, its a one-way ticket to get sued left-right-centre.
The truth will be prevail eventually, that us be fair and not jump to conclusion based on some comments on line at this stage. Be it PAP or Opposition members.
I just realized that Masagos He is a descendant of parameswaran peoples, he is member of Palembang aristocrat 😂 Tahniah ncik Masagos Zulkifli 🙏👍 kalau Singapore nih terapkan monarki konstitusional dah lah pasti ncik salah satu kerabat Diraja.
So we pay world class salary to people who can be "redeemed"? What are we paying yellow ribbon folks? Sick and tired of this shit really. Seriously, the way he speaks really gives a feeling that he agrees and do not support such a candidate.
Nope nope. Don't speak up for him. He is not a child. Where is this abeng ivan lim? He can't even represent himself. Get him out. He is not going to serve people well
Another American P, he know all ? Some RC member abuse of government power on ground floor area as their own grandfather planting garden nearby in Jurong point shopping center HDB flats.
Okay PAP, if Ivan Lim remain in the party, ill not vote for you; no matter which GRC this Ivan is contesting in. TAKE HIM OUT! People, if you see this and agree, give me a like and post the same!
Zac Pa
I vote for you
Withdrawn lol
Lmao u still wna vote for pap
My ICT CO, a Lieutenant Colonel at the time, was a gold hearted gentleman, always did his best for his men, it was obvious for all to see, all of us felt and benefitted from his sincere work, and we repaid him with our cooperation and hard work, that is man management, it works both ways, what you give your men is what you get. This kind of thing very straightforward one, if you were good, people will have good things to say about you, if you were unreasonable and treated your men badly, you will have people saying ill things about you when they have the opportunity to speak up, as we can see in this case, soldiers don't lie, your military reputation will speak for itself, it is when you wear green, your truest colours are revealed for all to see.
Doesn't sound like A moment though. From the posts, it seems like MANY soldiers were unhappy with him. If it was only for A moment I doubt so many will soldiers buay song him. Masagos, you need to check your use of quantifiers.
Totally opposite from my own commander. He study until University but damn humble guy. Our men are all willing to chiong for him because he is a good leader. Very few will chao keng because we wana give our commander face.
This guy study till O level nia wana act what elitist?
PUI!
Yea. We Chiong for good leader.
He throughout Army playing with people’s son lives how is that not a red flag? What’s next criminal or a drug addict that turn over a new leaf can enter PAP since it is a moment’s folly and can redeem himself through entering politics? His speech is everything about him and his life story how fortunate he is and that body language tells alot. Clearly not the type of candidate you should want.
I don't think it is wise to allow candidates to prove themselves in these elections. If we give the guy a chance IF those rumours proved to be true, we will have a guy who doesn't care about his peers to represent us. What I learnt from school is that grassroot community helps people that needs help. If this guy doesn't even help his friends, how is he going to help those in need?
Yea. Can't take the risk w this Ivan Lim fella! May not want to write letters for his residents or extend a hand to the poor. So atas!
prove yourselves during the times u serve as a nobody instead of acting to serve after shortlisted. if u r genuine, your time on the ground serving will reveal your true intentions. talk is cheap especially when u want a free ticket to rule and not serve
PAP's youtube channel disabled comments for Ivan's video.. Scared? why disable the comments if they are confident in this candidate's character?
Shame on you waterman for fielding him as a candidate
They are cowards, so don’t vote them this election, let them learn the hard way
You dont threaten PAP. I will report you
@@trafficmonsoonacademy562 lmaoooo
@@qkai7796 do you see the comment below u
@@anakinskywalker8327 Come to the dark side.... and taste the power!!!!
Elitism is the core trait of the men in white. That’s why it’s tolerated, behind closed doors it might even be celebrated. Sometimes, we get the odd, unintentional outburst of, “get out of my elite, uncaring face”. But such is life here in SG.... the politicians have such a good time on top for over 50 years, they forgot....
Mike Palmer n dave Ong got qualities too but why they dunch hv chance to redeem after their scandals leh?
Shame on Pap. They have clearly lost the way. Vote for opposition.
Definitely
Yes if you all continue to vote them we all will suffer, Singapore first world become third world
I hope Mr Masagos Zulkifli can remember what did Mr Tharman mentioned about what happened in Bukit Batok By election back in 2016. I quote "character of candidates is at the heart of politics”. Voters look at a politician’s actions over time, judge his motivations and integrity, and decide whether they can trust him. If Singaporeans ever come to ignore the track record and integrity of politicians, in the PAP or any other parties, it is Singapore that will end up in the gutter."
This is what Mr Tharman commented, when somebody asked him about the character assassination to Dr Chee Soon Juan and gutter politics during the by Bukit Batok by election during 2016. I don't see PAP giving Dr Chee a chance to redeemed himself....
Ivan Lim totally NOT capable... leopards doesn't change its spot. period!
I also need to redeem myself. Can pap recruit me? I'm satisfied with the 15k per month salary. No need board of director positions. I'm also more educated than mr lim with a masters degree from NTU
Given the fact that there are a lot of people standing up to flag him out for his crappy attitude towards his colleagues and fellow comrades in the army, the party should just pull him out of this election and replace him with a better candidate. A leader should always have a sincere and humble heart to serve fellow Singaporeans.
amosgoh85 Let’s sell off Keppel’s shares too.
Perhaps Keppel shld also Review his attitude and performance towards his subordinates/ work. But again, Keppel also owned by PAP so wishful thinking that justice will be done. imagine if he was not flagged and called out, pap will hv sneaked another AH in to rule over us common Singaporeans like their entitlement
It is necessary to examine how PAP selects their candidates. If academic quality weighs much higher than the individual emotional qualities Singapore’s leadership would be doomed
Let's give Chee Soon Juan a chance to redeem himself, shall we?
Let's also give the Opposition Parties the opportunity to prove themselves, shall we?
He is new, he is young.
So are the Opposition Parties.
Yes can redeem, go monastery. Not at the expense of Singaporean lives.
Exactly, you don't need a platform such as being a politician to redeem yourself or prove your worth. If you have the desire and will to serve the public, you can do it without aligning yourself to any political party.
This shows character of Masagos
, defended Ivan at first instinct. As a person who been through NS , I will definitely believe in those reviews against Ivan, with even a RSM among the critics. Masagos, fought hard on 30% increase in water bills but didn't reveal full calculation on deriving the 30% figure. If not wrong, reason is 'best way to emphasise the scarcity value of water'.. He has secured himself a secure salary package in pap with the 30% increase.
Many people forgotten Dr Tan Cheng Bock is the one who fought for free Sunday and holiday parking. It's hard to find a MP who fought for the people,
foregoing millions of revenues.
He wouldn’t care anyway, every year getting fat bonuses and pay! For us, when would we get a 30% increase in our salary lol. These 30 increase would not affect hum but to common ppl, it’s another burden. Hope he do self reflection but I guess not! Their eyes are up above 😂
U got to be kidding me how can he still defend him saying that he “sees qualities” in ppl like him
Because he is the same all pap candidates are kinda arrogant and only in it for money. They ownself check ownself
U need to understand what quality he referring to.. it's the elitism quality, not compassion and humility. 😂
If that is the case better dont let me see your party talk about any "past mistakes" of the oppositions during online rallies, whatever ahtc or csj saga previously...u are supposed to let them redeem themselves right..
Aiyoh... why PAP ask this kind of people to join their ranks??? Really, really 'xia suay', like CCS would put it.... No confidence in a party that would field such a candidate! Better to vote opposition if this is the kind of candidates that PAP has.
All of them are elistist. If not why ministers put their children in TOP schools and not neighbourhood schools?
First casualty after only 3 days. Recruitment of candidates warrants a review. LKY was right, he saw this coming years ago.
Ivan lim had been expose . next better player please. He can drive his expensive car go how lian now. but he already got a a bad name from now on. no point of ya ya papaya or how lian anymore.
Shall we take the Minister at his word and let the opposition candidates prove themselves?
Athena M None has commented anything good about him. Isn’t that good enough to prove? Whatever it is, he’s screwed. Maybe his next doomsday is in Keppel.
Since there is many comments about him, PAP should select their candidate wisely. If the person is good, then there should have no comments.
If his man is against him because of his elitism mindset, what do you think about the average Singaporeans?
You can tell if a Minister's heart is with the people or not easily with the kind of response they give
The party leadership should address this character issue quickly and decisively or are they taking a position that they can squeeze this guy through based on Tharman’s popularity. If the vetting process is flawed, just admit it and move on (without this person). The court of public opinion is strong and even stronger with social media.
The sad trouble with current leadership is they dont believe they can be ever wrong. if so, won't apologise or take responsibility. Worst, will spin a story to justify or throw smoke on issue
Seems like PAP's famous tea party vetting process has been found wanting this time. Who was the mentor?
Asking the real questions.
ownself check ownself? cannot or will not / did not??
Vetting process fail...Thank God I'm not in Jurong GRC
he will be fielded in Tanjong pagar grc
I wish I were in Jurong GRC so I can vote against this.
Poor Tharman...
Sir I m a senior citizen n I wonder why yr potential most come fr Army Air Force n Navy n fr Govt PA it is a sincere question Thank U pl dont feel offended n hv wrong Thoughts of me n I apologise if I ask wrong question that is n illegal intrusion
I still remember when i attended an event where many MPs were around. I will never forget the way they look at the rest of the public members, full of despise and contempt, could sense no cordial feelings at all. Even so when you approached them. That feeling was so uncomfortable that it has stuck with me till today. Aside from whether they are capable in their work or not, i believe such attitude already puts one off. It's as if humility is a withering decay that could never withstand the test of time.
I think is your self inferiority complex
@@onglielie I think is your self superiority complex that you cannot comprehend the point of humility.
"In reality, humility is a type of modesty that will get you very far in your life as a person, a contender, and a leader. Let’s look at it another way. A person who lacks humility is arrogant. It is a person who only thinks of themselves and sees themselves as higher and better than others. There is no room for an arrogant person to improve themselves because they do not recognize their flaws. A person who is not humble does not have a growth mindset."
DPM Heng is a very capable transparent and sincere future leader in Singapore...he said new candidate Ivan Lim should clarify all those unpleasant comments about his arrogant attitude when he was a army officer in the NS...Minister Heng never swept the dirt under a carpet...I salute you Sir...this is the first time in Singapore history the public painted an ugly character picture of a new PAP candidate standing for election...it will tarnish the highly reputable image of the ruling party PAP if out of nowhere...a rottened apple surfaced...forgive me...I am not here to draw blood from anyone but if there is no fire...there will be no smoke as the saying goes...what Singapore need are capable...selfless...dedicated...humble...caring...tough going...willing to take risks leaders who can win hearts of the common citizens...in good and bad times...the PAP have done well for decades...I speak from my heart...not from my mouth though I do not support any political party but Singapore was like a abandoned child by Malaysia decades ago...left to die but survived till this day because nanny PAP nursed this dying under-nourished child into a prosperous healthy macho man...God's blessings are on this tiny red-dot island...Amen
Elitism is the perfect embodiment of the pap. Lim is a good representation of the party. What talking u
did he have a choice?? he is only smarter than min magos as it's all over the internet. what worries me more is whether the screening system is flawed or they actually endorsed such a character till he got caught ?!!!!🤥
@@2bystander2 maybe all of them are this kind pf character just that some are better actors than others. :)
Chee Soon Juan got chance to redeem?
At this stage and you are talking about redemption. Don't you think it is too risky and late. This is for a parliament seat and concern matters of the nation.
Wei Tsung Soo it’s scary the minister wants us to gamble on a person with such poor track record as a leader
And they have the cheek to talk about track records....tsk tsk tsk
Typical political talk...
Redemption path shld not be via the MP route. Prove oneself worthy before running for elections;
still young, so time is on his side.
if you r real, serve the community for the next 5 years without the allowance & title. your genuineness can then be proven u r here to serve and not rule with huge allowances. Let your actions speak for yourself or since no title & $, disappear and only reappear next time round like OYK. I am sure after his first defeat that he said he will not contest again? or was I mistaken?
Almost spit out the water I'm drinking
With severe lack of independent audit and transparency, boy am I itching for an audit report for the audit that will take 50 years
Look, Ivan should not quit. He should defend himself rigorously. Every candidate must be able to stand up to all scrutiny. Now, you are telling voters a very strong message about the party's selection process.
LOL quit liao? waterman no more confident in his character?
so controversial and unreal again. one moment, he will stay on course, soon after he Withdraw. Got sacked or withdraw?!?! only PAP will know the truth. Like that also can admit fault (wrong candidate) drop him and move on. Still must save face, ignore screening mistake and say no time to get into it
Will resist PAP if they insist on Ivan Lim
Does he know what he is talking 🙄😳🤔
as the saying goes: people dont remember the most what you said, what you did but how you made them feel.. politics is about getting the mandate from the people and you dont have it - all the best Ivan
Who you are really dictates how you lead!
What did Ivan Lim say?
Absolutely absurd.
无风不起浪。。。 做事要对的起自己的良心。
👀 Let it be ... it is very often that a ship captain needs to make Path Correction - even when driving.
So, let it be. What's next ?
Such politically correct answer as usual... God forbid if the senior ministers are the ones under fire, no need to redeem or prove themselves, its a one-way ticket to get sued left-right-centre.
Still don't admit he has bad characters
The truth will be prevail eventually, that us be fair and not jump to conclusion based on some comments on line at this stage. Be it PAP or Opposition members.
He's very lucky here is Singapore
I ya many like Ivan already inside
He responded by quiting totally....
I just realized that Masagos He is a descendant of parameswaran peoples, he is member of Palembang aristocrat 😂 Tahniah ncik Masagos Zulkifli 🙏👍 kalau Singapore nih terapkan monarki konstitusional dah lah pasti ncik salah satu kerabat Diraja.
So we pay world class salary to people who can be "redeemed"?
What are we paying yellow ribbon folks?
Sick and tired of this shit really.
Seriously, the way he speaks really gives a feeling that he agrees and do not support such a candidate.
PAP rethink of this candidate not so nice reviews even before elections
xia suay pap is not the place to redeem urself for ur past mistakes
Ivan Lim, I think you can just step down from PAP and join RDU to contest in Jurong GRC. 😂
Too many clowns.
Nope nope. Don't speak up for him. He is not a child. Where is this abeng ivan lim? He can't even represent himself. Get him out. He is not going to serve people well
good reply
Another American P, he know all ? Some RC member abuse of government power on ground floor area as their own grandfather planting garden nearby in Jurong point shopping center HDB flats.
eh masagos...he will not serve ppl well la...blardy mangkok
Vote for psp!