The Raspberry Pi 5 is a Cheap Retro Gaming Powerhouse! Initial Raspberry Pi 5 Review for Emulation
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2024
- The Raspberry Pi 5 is out and while stock is extremely limited I managed to pick one up and here's my initial Raspberry Pi 5 review as a focused Raspberry Pi 5 emulation video! We will check some of the systems that threw the Raspberry Pi 4 a curveball and see how Raspberry Pi 5 handles Dreamcast emulation, PSP emulation and Sega Saturn emulation...with some other fun RetroPie 5 retro gaming tests! On the most recent beta of Recalbox (it also works for RetroPie and Bacotera on Raspberry Pi 5)
Just remember the Raspberry Pi 5 is new and nothing is final yet performance or emulation wise. But lets see is the Raspberry Pi 5 worth it?
Considering it is supposedly more than doubling the performance of the Raspberry Pi 4 out of the box, hasn't seen much of ANY emulation optimizations...and costs $80...yeah I think so!
I will run a more proper traditional Raspberry Pi 5 review in the future once things are more streamlined!
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This is good news. I have a 2 and 3b still but never got the 4. Covid and scalpers ruined that. The 5 might be worth going back to pi.. impressive stuff.
The 4 was V hard to get for the longest time sadly
It's great - I had a Pi 400 for tinkering (the regular Pi 4? Damn, out of stock or unreasonably expensive!), but I never set it up for emulation...I recently got a Pi5 and it runs well with Batocera (haven't tried Retropie yet)
Would love to see a performance test of some 16-bit consoles with Run-ahead mode or preemptive frames. Also a shader test with some scanline filters.
Maybe in the future
2 frames of run ahead on the usual 16 bit consoles (SNES-Genesis) are doable even with my old pi2 rev1 on analog out.
Cant wait to see how pi5 would work when it will be fully compatible with relevant retro-gaming frontends, since i consider it as a cheaper (about 4 times) alternative to Mister, since it preserved GPIO port that allows easy analog output to CRT displays and can emulate in native resolution Saturn , dreamcast and n64(in perspective) and as a bonus, as mvg showed us can partially play libraries of ps2 and gsmecube. And software based arcade emulation is much larger than on fpga
Yes it’ll be fun to re-do this video in 2-3 months when the front ends and custom OS’ are in proper order
They are in a good state, already. Recalbox beta hasn't been updated since October, only for Patreons. Batocera is free and both are rock solid already. Nothing to "evolve" on the Frontend side.
Plenty of the emulators still could use updates for the hardware
@@VideoGameEsoterica Hi why my message is erased ?
I have no clue. YT does that. Wasn’t in my end
For the same price as a rpi with case and SSD you can get a n100 complete mini PC that emulates far better because it has less gpu bottlenecks and properly working drivers.
Yes that’s def an option
I checked and they're like 209 bucks.. am I missing something?
The cardboard card the rpi sits on is ESD coated so does away with the need for an ESD bag. Keeps cost down as it allows automation at the packing stage of manufacture.
Just always surprises me but makes sense
In the original SEGA NAOMI/Dreamcast of Dead or Alive 2, the ingame cutscenes are supposed to run at 30fps, the PS2 version was the port that added 60fps to ingame cutscenes. I don't think it was dropping frames at @4:15
Have you tried the MAME Namco System 11/12 games on Pi5 in MAME2010 or above versions? I can get the arcade versions of Tekken 1/2 to run at 60fps on MAME2010.
Sadly though, Tekken 3/TAG1 and Soul Calibur all run around 30-40fps on my overclocked Pi4.
The problem though is MAME2010 is less CPU intensive but it comes at the cost of inaccurate emulation (sound and fps bugs), MAME2016 and above is where the emulation is very accurate but the higher the MAME version, the higher the CPU cost.
I haven’t tried those Tekken games. But they are on a bit more powerful hardware so that makes sense
Or get an entire N100 mini pc for slightly more.
Aren't they like 200-250 bucks?
Perhaps i am remembering wrong, but didn't 3DS sort of run on Pi 4? Either way, could 3DS (or just NDS) run on Pi 5?
I never tested it myself but probably quasi ran at least
I am still using my Pi 4 as a kodi machine. They can do a ton of cool stuff.
I dunno what I’m gonna do with my Pi 4
@@VideoGameEsoterica dedicated server for some linux games.
I’d like to do a handheld
Not sure "cheap" got to the amazon kit sellers yet. These kits are like 120-160+ bucks which is close to double of what i paid for the rp4. I'll eventually get one but ugh.
Yeah lotta bundling and scalping right now
They always come in raw cardboard. :p
Since pi3 anyway. Waiting for a nice coughretroflagcough case before I pick one up. I love console themed cases and Retroflag's NES case with the catridge is ossum.
Excited for potenrial ps2/gc/xbox suuport. :3
I couldn’t remember. Been forever since I opened the Pi 4
That version of Recalbox is indeed a tweaked Rpi4 image made to run on a Rpi5 so we can clearly call it a brute force version.
The good thing with this generation is that unlike the Pi4 in its time, the Vulkan drivers are already available but Recalbox does not use them yet.
So yeah Recalbox intends to add a lot more emulators as that thing could handle Gamecube and PS2 which are thankfully also using Vulkan drivers.
So i've tried an other OS in order to play some NAOMI 2 and I got Virtua Fighter 4 running as long as I was using a triangular filtering method instead of pixels.
Virtua Tennis 1 and Virtua Tennis 2 are still surprisingly not working that well or at least there are too many stutters to my liking so I got a GDEMU instead lol.
Yes that’s why I was super clear in the video this was just for fun and not indicative at all of a final result. Just for the laughs haha
Can confirm - I just set up a Batocera-Pi and it runs very well (I'd have loved to try on a Pi4 - but those were too expensive and not in stock often, so I waited for the Pi5)...being able to play the games of my youth (so N64, Gameboy-Color and Advance and the Playstation 1) is just fun!
Sure, Playstation doesn't allow regular saving (so you have to use Batocera-Safe-State), but at least you can work around that!
Still...MARIO KART and Lylat Wars (Starfox 64 for those not living in Germany!), Tekken, Crash Badicoot Kart Racer, Pokemon! Damn, send me to a remote island, have food and power delivered and I'd be reasonably happy with a Raspi 5 and my SD-Card :)
You didn’t say alcohol. Good, lower and DRINKS
I totally missed that this was coming out. I searched for a Raspberry Pi 4 in December and it showed up in the results. Thought it must be a placeholder for a future release then went to the page and went, "well holy crap!". It's decent, but I think I'll wait on the next one before I get too serious about it. I've bought many of the other models and now 3D printers are coming out with locked down firmware. I just need to step back for a while and evaluate.
It kind of just “came out” but either in such limited numbers OR was scalped so hard that it kind of just went under the radar
This is cool and all, but I feel the Pi Foundation lost the original purpose which means means these where ultra affordable. Now they need fans and cables and such, best just to get some of these mini pc. The Pi approaches $80 +cooler+hdmi+case ect.Left a thumbs up on the video.
As technology gets better heat gets hotter. Just a bit of a downside
This! It's a product I would not recommend anymore for modern emulation.
To this end, things like the Pi Zero 2 (finally available and cheap) and compute module become more interesting, as they can get turned into handhelds.
I really hope they make a Pi 500 all-in-one like they did with the 400.
Would be interesting to see for sure
They will.
It's not too bad and development has been at light speed in comparison with he Pi4 but I still think that it came out behind the competition, power wise.
Luckily, though, the stalled development of the RK3588 has enabled the Pi 5 to gain a foothold that it should not have had the opportunity to get.
The RK3588 is in danger of being another lemon, like the RK3399, poorly supported by Rockchip.
So many diff devices kind of competing for the same core audience
The RK3588 is much more expensive (and modern) and the reason why nobody uses it in their Handhelds or SoC Computers.
Pro Tip: Use the Stock Active Cooler with a Heatsink that they sell for €10. Don't use a cooler that has only contact to just the CPU/GPU! And never ever use a passive cooler, the Pi 5 get's really hot.
So far the temps have been manageable with this case
The official cooler is truly the champion in spite of its small look
Would a 8GB version improve the performance?
Not much if at all in emulation really
I'm new to this and trying to decide what to buy for retro gaming. While looking at second hand micro PC's i got the sense upping the RAM to 16gb helps with emulation. Why wouldn't that be the case with Raspberry Pi too?
Extra ram on PC is usually more towards the OS is thirstier for ram in general. It’s not really 1:1 ram usage across Pi to a Windows install for the underlying OS framework
awesome! i've been wanting to get one for kicks and giggles. Plus i can print a case since the wife got me a printer for Christmas!
Ooh nice. Whatcha been printing?
@@VideoGameEsoterica LED holder for snes jr, stand for wii u,
3.5” to 2.5” hdd mount for OG Xbox,
Gamecube noctua fan/pico mount.
for
Solder spool holder,
And solder tip holder
All kinds of crap! 🫠🫠🫠
@@VideoGameEsotericaif you ever need something printed holla!
Will do!
Look I don't get why people are defending the price of the PI. It is no longer "cheap", all things considered. For about $60-80 MSRP, you only got the main board. You still need actively cooler, power supply (a very specific one), and maybe a case at the minimum to get it really going. For about $120 MSRP... It is at a price for typical mini PC. That can pretty much runs anything, sure most doesn't have GPIO. But that's only a cheap microprocessor away. Now that said, the PI worth that $100 - $120 any day, but it is no longer cheap. It is just a market price, system.
I think it’s just what you define as cheap. Case, Pi and Power supply is the cost of a meh dinner for my wife and I in Chicago so 🤷🏻♂️
@@VideoGameEsoterica Cheap is actually specific, It means worth more than it costs. Pi is low cost for sure. But for it to be considered "cheap". It needs to offer more than most similar things on average at lower cost. The Pi isn't, a similar price Mini PC at similar size, can go from 50% to double the performance of the Pi. Dinner at your location is just expensive....
I look at cheap differently. But that’s fair
What other mini pc can I get in the same price range that will run beetle Saturn core full speed just like the pi5? I'm genuinely interested, not being sarcastic or anything..
@@jonnyblanka Say assuming you are talking about a true equivalent such as , the Main board + SSD/storage + Cooling + Case + Power supply. (I would consider that's the bare minimum) Than any N100 +DDR5 Mini PC like the GMKtec N100 which runs you about $130-$150, would not just do what you are looking for, but much better. You can run most GameCube games at full speed native res. It may sound much more expensive at first but you are talking about Pi5 which basically requires active cooling. So $90 for Pi5 + fan $12 + case $8 + PSU $25 + SD card like $20.... You aren't really that far off. And depending on where you live, it can be more........ And if you save yourself for another $20 at $ 160-$180 you can get the N97+12GB DDR5 + 512SSD.... Tiny PC, with everything ready to go.... Yes windows 11 included, if you care about that. Which will out perform most N100.... Seriously check it out. If emulation is what you are after.
Nice video. I watch the most videos on RUclips with 2x speed, but yours only with 1.5x. Waiting for a channel that i can watch only with 1x speed.
Lol 2x? Must be a busy person
@@VideoGameEsoterica :-) I thought the same hearing you speaking 1.5x by default. I think it is mainly, since you breath very quickly and the delay between sentences is very small, even you don't cut the video (I can even hear you fast breathing). But I like that. Keep it. You are doing nice videos.
Appreciate it
I hope we get some good N64 performance on the Pi5 in the official release of retropie.
Hopefully. It’s such a complicated system to emulate on lower powered devices from what I’ve seen
Do OrangePi and similar Raspberry Pi-like boards run the same software? If so, much improvement in performance?
What about arcade or PS2 emulation?
Couldn’t get it running. Still so alpha of an install just didn’t go
@@VideoGameEsoterica cool - thanks for the initial video. Hopefully you find time to do an update when things get more solidified.
Yes once it’s “finalized” I’ll do a second part
@@VideoGameEsotericaI’m interested in stuff that MiSTer can’t do yet, like Rolling Thunder or NBA JAM
Well you’ll get that here with MAME for sure
Would it be possible to do a video on getting RGB from the Pi 5? I’d love to connect my pi 5 to a crt.
In the future perhaps :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica don’t tease me now
Haha I wrote it down. That’s step one. Step two is deciding one day it’s what I’m in the mood for
Rgbpi OS5 or replayOS both out soon when the Pi5 drivers are finally released!
@@VideoGameEsotericayayyyyyyyyyyy
What about PSX? I recommend these for testing
R-Type Delta has glitch effects & blur, it also slows down on old hardware from the first stage!
Star gladiator a fighting game is more heavy than Bloody Roar 2 on old systems
Raycrisis
Haven’t tried as of yet. One of these days
I'm still running a pi3, maybe it's time for an upgrade.
Once these are in stock it would be a nice upgrade
I wonder if the RGB Dual HAT would work on the RPi5.
I haven’t seen anyone test it yet
@@VideoGameEsoterica I used to rock the RPi4 and RGB Dual HAT. Then I discovered MiSTer.
The road to MiSTer for a lot of people started with a Pi it seems
@@VideoGameEsoterica That’s true for me. I originally had about a dozen consoles all set up with various shelves, cables, av switches, etc. It was great but felt like clutter to me. So I looked for an option to consolidate. Went with the RPi4 for a while but once I discovered MiSTer… It’s all I ever play retro games on.
I have all the real hardware but I gave up on it all being ready to play years ago. Now I take it out when I want to play and back away it goes
I've been buying Raspberry Pi hardware from Newark for years and I was able to get a RPi5 slightly before Xmas but I haven't had a chance to use it much. So far just as a desktop with Raspbian (Raspberry Pi OS?) which is working great. Anyhoo, the 4GB RAM model is $60 and the 8GB RAM model (which is what I got), is $80. Perhaps other sellers have different prices?
Digikey with shipping and tax got me to like $78 total for the 4GB model. So I factored that in since on cheaper items I like to take into account the total cost. I still have an order for an 8GB model from Sparkfun but that doesn’t seem like it’s ever going to be fulfilled
What is the max output res? Like say that one emulated Amiga at 320x256 would it be powerful to scale that up 3x while adding scanline / crt emulator shader to the 320x256 buffer?
I’m wanting a pi 5 to Jamma adapter. You think it would work? I have a jnx big red adapter and I really want to try it out.
Pi5 works with the new Recalbox RGB Jamma.
@@MrNexus68 it does!? Can you send me a link!?
@@treepizzle "Recalbox RGB Jamma" it's a Hardware from the guys of recalbox.
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@@MrNexus68 I found it. But I can’t figure out how to buy it. No purchase links anywhere.
I've never used a Raspberry Pi. I hear about them all the time, but it's never really been something that I've looked into before. Now raspberry pie on the other hand, that's the stuff!
It’s a fun diversion from FPGA haha. Peach will always be my fav pie though
Cherry pie is best and you know it!
I actually don’t like cherries. But because of Twin Peaks I like the CONCEPT of cherry pie
Blasphemy! Blasphemy I say!
Only cherries I like are on the rip tickets in Milwaukee bars
That's a pretty slick case for it 👍
It was recommended to me by a friend on discord
Mine is still in back order 🤦♂️
My first order is still on backorder but digikey ended up having some in stock
@@VideoGameEsoterica damn the chip shortage we didn’t have this problem in 2019 with the raspberry pi 4 😂🤣😂
I had to get a new studio PC during the shortage. I couldn’t find anything. CPU but no motherboard, motherboard but no CPU…what a mess
@@VideoGameEsoterica I hope things get back to normal soon
Mostly they have. I had to replace my work camera during the pandemic too. That was HARD. I had like five backorders across five diff vendors just waiting for one to come in stock
I love these cases with active cooling but every time I try one, the fans become noisy after a few months 😢
Cheap fans and the bearings get dry. You can pop a tiny bit of lubricant in and let it settle OR switch the fan out for a quality fan
@@VideoGameEsoterica where can I find quality fans? I feel like I haven't seen fans this small from well-known brands
I’d have to look. I’m sure something exists out there
@@VideoGameEsoterica maybe there could be a quality fan from any unknown company...
An industrial company id imagine. Maybe even a low profile server part. But those get LOUD
u want my build
Huh?
@@VideoGameEsotericaretropie
Ahh I see. Appreciate it but I’ll wait for it to go full official for the next test
How’s the Pi5 emulation performance compare to the MiSTer?
It’s a diff way to achieve a similar result. Apples to oranges
Pi 5 goes up to PS2/Gamecube while being a little messy and MiSTer goes up PS1/Dreamcast in a smooth way
Well, I have a MiSTer and love it, and always found emulation to be kinda wonky in terms of input lag and inconsistent frametiming, so I’m just curious how the Pi5 handles the same kind of systems the MiSTer can handle.
It won’t be any diff than how any other system would handle software emulation vs MiSTer
What emulator was used for Dreamcast? I feel that Redream would have done better.
Flycast. I tried the lesser of the two performance wise. To get a baseline. But again this is just a fun “let’s see what it can do worst case scenario” vid
I’m sure that’ll get tightened up in the future
Bummer. Hadn’t heard that
@AfterBurnettNZI get no lag on PC. Everything works great. I feel as if I'm pretty sensitive to that sort of thing.
@AfterBurnettNZI was just playing MSR last week. I would download Development Releases, it was updated 5 days ago. The stable Release has not been updated in over 4 years. It also wouldn't hurt to use a Dreamcast bios. It works without it but not as well and not all games work with out the Bios.
I got an 8g pi 5 from Sparkfun got it quicker than I thought I would . No anti-static bag or SSD .
My Sparkfun order is just forever delayed. I need to cancel it
@@VideoGameEsoterica You probably ordered later than I did . I ordered mine the very night/morning the pi5 news broke on RUclips . Sparkfun was the site that was on RUclips @ the time . I'd give it more time .
So true VGE. In fact, I just recently just recently purchase one to have my collection. Well worth it for sure. 8^)
Anthony..
Nice. Enjoy it!
Do you think PI 5 is up to the task of emulating HNG64 ?
Lol I tried. It wouldn’t boot. So I couldn’t check. But you know I tried 😂
@@VideoGameEsotericaAhah Thank you so much for trying. Due to your video i’m dreaming of playing Beast Buster 2nd Nightmare on my CRT 😂
Haha I’ll get it running one of these days
What's Bassotera?
Bacotera is another OS
@@VideoGameEsoterica It's actually Batocera, not Bacotera.
Ahh that always throws me. I think of the antibiotic cut cream. My brain remembers things in odd ordering sometimes lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica I replied to this, but youtube apparently decided to eat the comment.
That happens. Why? Who knows
Probably wait on one, I’m using the Raspberry pi 400. It’s hooked up to my ikegami bvm with the RGB-PI OS and scart cable. I love my analogue pocket, but I don’t have save states. It’s pretty cool! And the emulation is great, I really don’t notice a difference between fpga and this. At least, certain systems lol.
Ooh Ikegami. Not one you see every day. Which model?
Well I have two. One is the TM20-17R. Has RGB. The other is a small 8” TM9-1D. It only had composite, I modded it to use s-video. I got lucky with the 20” locally. 150 bucks.
The small ones are kind of my fav. Little miniature tube TVs
@@VideoGameEsotericahaha yeah. I made Reddit post about my new 20” ikegami and everyone was just asking about my tiny one lol. It is pretty cool. Wish I could collect more just hard to find where I live.
Haha humans are just so inclined to like the miniature things more I swear
I need to pick a Pi 5 up! Then maybe I can dedicate one of Pi 4 units to Dream Pi (I have 2x Pi 4 - 4GB & 8GB) then maybe try to get my Dreamcast online
Good use for it. I have a Pi 4 I need to do something with
@@VideoGameEsoterica I lied I actually have another pi based on 4. Pi 400
Haha I find things I forgot I had all the time. Just yesterday I was reorganizing my shelves and found some things that I thought didn’t exist any more 😂
When are they going to release retropie? Should i just get pi4 then
I have Retropie running on my Rpi4, but I’m not sure how to have it running on my Rpi5 (arriving today).
Is there a disk image of Retropie available for the Pi 5?
There isn’t a disk image yet. Hence me using recalbox currently
@@VideoGameEsoterica thank you
👍
@@VideoGameEsoterica I’ve installed a bare-bones version of raspberry pi os on an SD card and intend to follow Retropie’s manual install directions. Think I’ll make it?
They aren’t the simplest directions. I checked into it myself. But I’m sure it’s achievable if you go step by step carefully
Maybe this one I can afford because many seller In Indonesia sell raspberry pi but I more prefer original system if possible
That’s fair. I know the love of real hardware too lol
With having actual hardware I can buy the original game too but at the end I just jailbreak it like my psp
A common occurrence for sure
rt ultimate to my pvm. Using retropi all good
Fun usage
4gb or 8gb version?
4GB. It’s what I could locate. I’ve got an 8GB on order from another site. Day 1 order. But still nothing
Shame about the composite out
I want to love these things but they make it hard for me to. Pi3 gave me sound problems. Pi4 sound issues if it's the wrong hdmi port and wifi issues.
Pi4 didn't play nice with my Qanba stick either.
For all the cool things retropie does it's the frustrations i remember.
Like anything not real hardware there’s always more “fiddling” to do
That's the truth adding games became my Pandemic project and I didn't get to play much 😂😂
I swear I set more stuff up than I use it
I got the Pi primarily to play Arcade games on my TV.
Pi 4 couldn't do cave games I'm sure if it plays nice with everything the Pi5 will.
But I'm eyeing that Gameboy thingy Ayaneo is teasing
Haha and here I am with a new projector in my bedroom that I’m gonna do a video on where I hook arcade boards up beside the bed and supergun them in 🤣
sega saturn works almost flawless on my RPI 4 model b 8gb ram.
I have an 8GB in box I need to set up still
It’s not as cheap as it used to be or as available as it should be.
It’s still not a bad option but there are so many N100/N5105 pcs available for a similar price too.
The decision to use micro HDMI for the pi5 is understandable but irritating as you need more cables or adapters
Luckily I had the cables as my older Sony cameras used smaller HDMI out. Thankfully the FX series has full sized ports
or maybe we dont need the static bag.
Maybe not. Still weird not seeing it
im betting God Of War and Dantes Inferno will give trouble. PS2 and Gamecube probably will be hit and miss even after they get support going. And Saturn isnt going to look optimal or run optimal using the lackluster emulator all of the developers seem to prefer. SNES games even got sluggish on the pi 4 just trying to use a filter. i bet psx does the same trying to use filters and other smoothing effects. i even bet that will go for every emulator across the board. i dont see pi5 having the horse power to do much better than the pi4 in that area. not worth me making a purchase.
I’ll have to check them out for the next vid
Raspberry Pi 5?!
Yep the 5 is here (kind of. Stock is all over the place sold out sadly)
There are so many more affordable ‘pi’s out there. This is overpriced as hell
Those less expensive ones won’t have the same performance as the 5. You can decide it’s too expensive. That’s fine. Everyone gets to make their own call
This isn’t over priced at all lol
I’d agree. Obv lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica lmao 5's specs are a lot for the platforms you're emulating. You don't need so much mate.
@@Foughtimor You can get an Intel Celeron N100 mini CPU for 20 dollars more right now on sale. You tell me.
$80 is not cheap
Come on dude haha it's the price of one new video game..
@@CassoniCorp Sony fan spotted
It’s all subjective. I can’t tell you what’s “cheap”. You make that call yourself
Man prices for games have just gone up and up and up
Or Microsoft
Wow. That’s so cool. Can someone post a link to where I can get a Raspberry Pi 5 at MSRP please? Because it’s so cheap
Sold out everywhere right now unfortunately