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Charlie, I'm very impressed by your progress. I've been following you for a while. My goal in life and dream is a small biomass (or solar thermal) mechanical generator capable of producing 1kw for disaster relief/ energy independence situations. I've run through all the schemes..... Automobile turbo chargers are too inefficient because of tip clearance issues. Sterling engines require pressurized fluid. Steam piston engines are very difficult mechanically, requiring oiling schemes, water separators, and have abysmal thermal efficiency. All of that to ask, have you looked at using your improved turbine in a gas turbine scheme? If so i wonder if you've come to a determination on the appropriate compressor type. Initially i have thought another smaller Tesla turbine to be used as a compressor, but it's clear from your above comments that a Tesla pump/ compressor would have to be driven faster than the turbine to be effective, so a common shaft may not be possible. I wonder if a suitably efficient centrifugal compressor (again going back to something readily available such as those present in automobile turbo chargers would do the trick). Would love to collaborate
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@@jsh111 When considering steam-based systems, you only need to introduce heat to turn the fluid into vapor. Technologies like Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC) can not only produce steam but can also operate using an organic Rankine cycle at notably lower temperatures. Of special interest is Tesla’s amended turbine patent, GB 186,083. This inventive design uses the residual heat from the turbine’s exhaust to produce steam. The generated steam then pre-cools the combustion jet prior to entering the turbine, thereby reducing the usual compression demands seen in traditional gas turbines. While conventional gas turbines work with air-to-fuel ratios ranging from 100:1 to 200:1, Tesla’s design minimizes the strain the compressor places on the shaft, allowing it to run efficiently even with stoichiometric ratios as low as 15:1. Furthermore, Tesla’s subsequent patent, GB 186,084, integrates both intake+combustion and steam turbine functionalities, negating the need for compressor all together.
@@jsh111 check out my video about Tesla inventing the Cheng thermodynamic cycle a whole 50 years before Dr Cheng got credit for it in the late 70s. I think you’ll really like it! Cheers
@danialonso81 Robert Murray-Smith has testet Tesla turbine like a compressor, but i dont know, how good it can work, and which pressure cat it achieve!
Hey thanks for commenting 🙏❤️🔥 Unfortunately that would actually make the turbine worse and would defeat the entire purpose of the Tesla turbine in the first place. And when designed correctly TesTurs get plenty of torque. Take a read of this quote from the patent. “In the practical application of mechanical power, based on the use of fluids as the vehicle of energy, it has been demonstrated that, in order to attain the highest economy, the changes in the velocity and direction of movement of the fluid should be as gradual as possible. In the forms of apparatus heretofore devised or proposed, more or less sudden changes, shocks and vibrations are unavoidable. Besides, the employment of the usual devices for imparting to, or deriving energy from a fluid, such as pistons, paddles, vanes and blades, necessarily introduces numerous defects and limitations and adds to the complication, cost of production and maintenance of the machines The object of my invention is to overcome these deficiencies and to effect the transmission and transformation of mechanical energy through the agency of fluids in a more perfect manner and by means simpler and more economical than those heretofore employed. I accomplish this by causing the propelling fluid to move in natural paths or stream lines of least resistance, free from constraint and disturbance such as occasioned by vanes or kindred devices, and to change its velocity and direction of movement by imperceptible degrees, thus avoiding the losses due to sudden variations while the fluid is imparting energy. It is well known that a fluid possesses, among others, two salient properties, adhesion and viscosity.” -Nikola Tesla
“Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them. The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible. This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.” 1) increase the speed of the fluid relative to the disc, (not increase disc speed) 2) increase surface area 3) decrease disc spacing This is how you actually make a TesTur work. The fluid interactions with the disc that govern efficiency an torque are adhesion and cohesion. Full stop. This is why everyone who chases high rpm and foils/winglets/blades/etc with the TesTur just flat out fails. They aren’t even trying to design them properly so of course they won’t work well
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2650watt Power and Efficiency Test ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html +4250watt Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 12,500 rpm ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html These preliminary tests are just to see how much electrical power can be produced with room temp compressed air driving the Tesla turbine. 6.22ft-Ibs of torque at only 4150rpm and +4.25kW between 6000-12,000 rpm. (To the shaft too, not after gearing it, never mind it’s also geared UP to the generators.) The TesTur nozzles never went over 20psi at the nozzle for the 2650watt electrical load test and not over 40psi at the nozzle for the 4250watt dyno test. This is so I can get a baseline for what to expect as I increase the temps to combustion levels. When using elastic gasses the counterintuitive thing most overlook is that the viscosity of gasses goes up with temp. So not only do we see an increase in thermodynamic efficiency from increased temps but the TesTur isentropic efficiency also goes up due to the reduced slip from the increased viscosity. Let me know if you have any further questions.
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Low rpm means low efficiency right? Whats the use of it if not for power plants? Backup generators work just fine with diesel, but I could see a case for one in some niche situations. So what is the revolutionary idea? Im not hating im rooting for you to have found something amazing i just don’t understand what is the advantages of using it if it cant beat the bladed turbines we have now.
Thanks for your input. Contrary to popular misconception, Tesla turbines are actually quite efficient and deliver a respectable amount of torque, even at low rotational speeds. Let me break it down a bit further with some copy pasta 🍝 of mine: The notion that Tesla turbines need to spin extremely fast for efficiency is a misconception stemming from their use as centrifugal pumps. When functioning as pumps, yes, their effectiveness is related to tip speed. However, in a turbine setup, excessively high RPMs create a counterproductive centrifugal head that diminishes the pressure difference across the nozzle. This, in turn, reduces the fluid’s terminal speed and mass flow rates, ultimately impacting the turbine’s power output. Adding to this, it’s worth mentioning that the faster you rotate the discs, the higher the velocity your input fluid must attain to maintain a torque advantage over the discs. To clarify this, let me share another bit of technical info: Tesla turbines are entirely viable for large-scale industrial applications. That’s because the torque experienced by the discs directly relates to the speed difference between the fluid and the disc. Here, the crucial element is the disc tip speed. For a specific fluid inlet, the nozzle will max out at a certain fluid velocity. This sets a cap on the disc tip speed, which isn’t influenced by the disc’s radius. And if you consider that centripetal force is linked to the square of velocity divided by the radius (V^2/R), you’ll find that enlarging the disc radius while maintaining the same tip speed will actually lower the centripetal forces exerted on the disc. Contrary to the widespread myth that Tesla turbines must rotate at high speeds to be effective, the truth lies in optimizing certain conditions. Increasing disc speed isn’t the way to enhance efficiency; rather, it’s about minimizing slip between the fluid and the discs. When the slip increases, the system inherently suffers losses. Tesla’s own words from his patents outline how to get the most out of these turbines: “Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them. The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible. This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.” So the principles for maximizing TesTurs’ performance are: 1) increase fluid velocity in relation to disc speed,(not increase disc speed) 2) Maximize the surface area of the discs, and 3) Minimize the spacing between the discs. The fundamental interactions governing the turbine’s efficiency and torque are fluid adhesion and cohesion, and not RPM. Misguided efforts to chase RPM with TesTurs invariably lead to disappointment because they fundamentally misunderstand how to properly design these turbines. Understanding the design specifics of Tesla turbines is crucial for their optimal operation, and it’s not about spinning them at high RPMs. A common misconception arises because people misinterpret Tesla’s patent, confusing the turbine’s function as a pump with its function as a drive turbine. In Tesla’s own words, which pertains to when the TesTur is used as a pump or compressor: ‘I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.’ So to clarify, high RPMs are relevant when the Tesla turbine is employed as a centrifugal pump or compressor because the performance of all centrifugal devices is dependent on tip speed. When it comes to its role as a drive turbine, the focus should be on reducing fluid slip, not on spinning the discs faster. Misinterpretation of Tesla’s patent has led to this RPM chase, causing ineffective designs and subpar performance. It’s essential to clarify that ramping up the speed of the Tesla turbine discs isn’t beneficial; in fact, it can be counterproductive. The centrifugal forces that emerge at high RPMs can actually work against you by impeding the fluid flow and diminishing power output. So, if you’re designing a TesTur, remember that speeding up the discs is a double-edged sword. Not only does it create resistance via centrifugal forces, but it also demands that your fluid move even faster to apply useful torque to the discs. Hence, simply cranking up RPMs isn’t the magic fix some might think it is. This is what Tesla said, “Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla Tesla wasn’t advocating for high-speed rotation; rather, he emphasized correct design principles for optimal performance, even at low speeds. His turbines were envisioned as simple, low-maintenance, and versatile, capable of functioning well at various fluid velocities and rotational speeds when designed properly.
Have you ever tried the opposite.. meaning sending the compressed air through the center (exhaust port) vs the outer edge..? shown in some models.. im not understanding the concept of center exhausting the intook air.. due to centrifugal inertia.. wouldn't the air want to flow from center of the disk outward vs inward .?
Hey thanks for commenting. When used as a pump or compressor the fluid goes from center to periphery but when used as a turbine it goes from periphery to center. In Tesla’s words, which pertains to when the TesTur is used as a pump or compressor: ‘I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.’ The centrifugal forces that emerge at high RPMs can actually work against you by impeding the fluid flow and diminishing power output. So, if you’re designing a TesTur, remember that speeding up the discs is a double-edged sword. Not only does it create resistance via centrifugal forces, but it also demands that your fluid move even faster to apply useful torque to the discs. Hence, simply cranking up RPMs isn’t the magic fix some might think it is. This is what Tesla said, “Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Continuing on Tesla’s insights, he highlighted the inherent safeguards and multiple advantages of such motors: “… Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla I hope this helps!
@CharlieSolis Wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to send this over.. had me pondering, but has answered my thoughts and questions ... really do appreciate ya! 👊✌️
Hey TJO inventions and RC’s. While I do have a video of this being run in reverse, as a compressor driven by the motors, they are specifically being used right now as the electric generators for the turbine to produce electricity from the turbine spinning on the motive fluid. The BLDC motors are technically the same thing as 3 phase high frequency permanent magnet generators/alternators. In fact they are some of the highest quality and efficiency generators you can buy off the shelf. I need better bearings for longer run times though. I won’t be using these forever though. I had a few of them sitting around and I decided to make the custom gear hub from the Traxxas gears for them to go on my hex shafts. Worked like a charm and with the new all metal gears it sounds much nicer now. it’s kinda funny, when I was using the plastic gears before it sounded a LOT like my RC car 🤭
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Please dude... it is about efficiency not about making it to work. People built working tesla turbines many many times because it is not complicated. Problem is in efficiency to cost ratio. And even with these couple of shots of your far from perfect disks it is clear that performance ratio is not good. Because you lose a lot of energy when water starts to go turbulent. To get high performance you would need a laminar flow, and to get it you would need really, really flat disks. And it costs way too much to make this turbine worth anything. Maybe in the future.
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The Tesla turbine doesn’t need special materials when they designed correctly like I have to reduce turbulent flow between the discs. And in actuality it is will be the most affordable turbine to mass produce out of any other turbine at scale. The entire turbine can be stamped out, as Tesla explains in his improved turbine disc stack patent GB186,082 These preliminary tests are just to see how much electrical power can be produced with room temp compressed air driving the Tesla turbine. The TesTur nozzles never went over 20psi at the nozzle for the 2650watt electrical load test and not over 40psi at the nozzle for the 4250watt dyno test. This is so I can get a baseline for what to expect as I increase the temps to combustion levels. When using elastic gasses the counterintuitive thing most overlook is that the viscosity of gasses goes up with temp. So not only do we see an increase in thermodynamic efficiency from increased temps but the TesTur isentropic efficiency also goes up due to the reduced slip from the increased viscosity. Show me another person who’s gotten 2650watts with only 20 psi at the nozzle with only room temp compressed air….. and 4250watts with only 40 psi at the nozzle and again room temp compressed air. Materials are not an issue because, despite what everyone erroneously claims, Tesla turbines work just fine, get plenty of torque and output power at low RPMs. I’ve got some copy pasta 🍝 of mine that I’ll share with ya here to explain more. Tesla turbines aren’t made efficient by spinning really fast. That’s only for when the disc stack is being used as a centrifugal pump, because ALL centrifugal pumps’ compressors, performance is tip speed dependent. But spinning the turbine fast will produce a centrifugal head that opposes the incoming fluid flow, reducing the pressure gradient across the nozzle, reducing fluid final velocity, reducing mass flow rates through the nozzle and ultimately reducing power out. Furthermore the faster you spin them the faster the fluid you have has to go just to still be moving faster than the discs and still provide torque. Lastly, they work just fine for industrial use and can scale up just fine because the torque on the discs is proportional to the difference in the fluid speed and the disc speed. So the disc tip speed is the important factor here. For any given fluid supply in the nozzle will have a max fluid velocity. So the turbine disc tips will have a max speed set at that fluid speed irrelevant if radius. Now considering that centripetal force is proportional to V^2/R, if you keep the tip speed the same but increase the radius the centripetal forces on the disc for the speeds needed will actually decrease. Despite what MANY have claimed about the Tesla turbine, it does NOT need to be spun fast to work or work efficiently. TesTurs are made efficient when the slip on the discs is reduced and spinning the discs fast does nothing to reduce the slip, only increase the distance the fluid slips on the disc faces, which is by definition “loss”. Listen to what Tesla himself said in the patents of how to make them work. “Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them. The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible. This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.” -Nikola Tesla 1) increase the speed of the fluid relative to the disc, (not increase disc speed) 2) increase surface area 3) decrease disc spacing This is how you actually make a TesTur work. Not by spinning it fast. The fluid interactions with the disc that govern efficiency an torque are adhesion and cohesion. Full stop. And spinning fast does nothing to increasing either to increase the turbines isentropic efficiency. This is why everyone who chases rpm with the TesTur just flat out fails. They aren’t even trying to design them properly so of course they won’t work.
You just have to know how to design it correctly to actually reduce slip to make them work, not spin them fast. The only reason people think Tesla turbines have to be spun too fast, so they would need complex materials, is because EVERYONE has mistaken the part of the patent that is about the turbine being used as a pump as being about it being used as a drive turbine. The only time you want to spin a TesTur fast is when it’s being used as a pump/compressor. This is because ALL centrifugal pumps’/compressors’ performance is tip speed dependent. “I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla And again, you DO NOT want to spin too fast in a TesTur because the centrifugal head will just counter your incoming fluid flow reducing power. And the faster you spin discs, you’re fluid has to be going even that much faster just to be able to apply a torque on the disc face. “Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla Tesla both knew it wasn’t meant to spin fast and that it worked great for low speeds IF you design it correctly.
And just for the record. I have a degree in physics from Michigan tech university. I’m not just some Tesla fan boy posing on the internet. I have actual actual proof of all my claims for TesTurs too.
Lastly, Tesla primarily planned for the Tesla turbine to be used with elastic gasses, combustion gas turbine and steam turbine, when it comes to power generation. This is why almost all the improvement patents for his turbine that he patented are designed around steam and combustion gasses. Tesla Turbine Patent List by Nikola Tesla US Patent 1,061,206 & GB patent 24,001: the original Tesla disc turbine patent from 1911. Then almost all Tesla’s improved turbine patents, except the Tesla valve patent, were patented in 1921, the valve was done in 1919. Patent GB 186,082: improved disc stack design for more torque Patent GB 186,093: combustion + steam turbine with built in exhaust heat recovery boiler. GB 186,084: combustion + steam turbine superheater and concentric/coaxial multifluid nozzle that the steam draws a vacuum on the exhaust of the combustion mixing them as they enter the turbine. GB 175,544: hybrid Tesla Disc + Parson’s reaction turbine for utilizing the Reheat Factor of the energy lost to shearing in the fluid between the discs GB 186,799: process and apparatus for balancing rotating machinery for quality at-speed dynamic balancing. He even says to use steam or compressed air for spinning the turbine during balancing. US 1,655,114: aerial apparatus patent with improved turbine nozzle design US 1,329,559: Tesla valve for pulsed combustion Tesla turbine. GB 179,043: High Vacua Pump for increased steam condenser performance by large volumetric evacuation of the noncondensable gasses. Lastly check out this read aloud I did of Nikola Tesla’s article “Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines” that he published right after parenting the original tesla disc turbine patent. Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines - Article Read Aloud by Charlie Solis AudioBook Tesla Turbine Info ruclips.net/video/TGGLG-7hK50/видео.html On this he talks about his plans for spending his foreseeable future (at that time) doing R&D into improving combustion methods for power generation turbines. And then in 1921 he patented most of the improved turbine patents I have listed above. Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
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Hiii i loved it, can you please suggest me the dimensions of tesla turbine disc and also boundary layer thickness? Just curious about conducting an experiment on Tesla turbines
Thank you for getting in touch. We would be thrilled to provide more information about how to get a TesTur. Please send us an email at TesTurEnergy@gmail.com and either Andrew or I will be more than happy to get back to you.
Hey thanks for commenting! 🙏❤️🔥🦾 Nikola Tesla’s steam turbine, also known as the Tesla turbine, is a bladeless turbine design that was patented by Tesla in 1913 (U.S. Patent 1,061,206). The turbine is unique because it uses smooth, parallel discs instead of blades to harness the energy of a moving fluid, such as steam, air, or water. The fluid enters the turbine tangentially and moves in a spiral path between the discs, transferring its kinetic energy to the discs in the process. The discs are mounted on a central shaft, and as the fluid moves through the turbine, the discs and shaft rotate, converting the fluid’s kinetic energy into mechanical energy. The boundary layer effect is a critical aspect of the Tesla turbine’s operation. To understand this effect, it is essential to delve into the principles of fluid dynamics that govern the turbine’s functioning. In fluid dynamics, the boundary layer is a thin region of fluid adjacent to a solid surface, such as the parallel discs in a Tesla turbine. Within this layer, the fluid’s velocity changes rapidly from zero (due to the no-slip condition at the solid surface) to the free-stream velocity away from the surface. The boundary layer effect plays a crucial role in the transfer of kinetic energy from the fluid to the discs in a Tesla turbine. When a fluid (e.g., steam, air, or water) enters the Tesla turbine tangentially, it creates a spiraling flow between the closely spaced discs. As the fluid moves along the discs’ surfaces, the boundary layer forms, and its thickness increases in the direction of the flow. The fluid particles in the boundary layer are slowed down due to viscous forces acting between the fluid and the solid surface of the discs. This deceleration of fluid particles results in the transfer of kinetic energy from the fluid to the discs, causing the discs and the central shaft to rotate. With TesTur Energy, our mission is to give people energy independence through Combined Heat And Power (CHP) systems that can make use of underutilized energy sources like biomass, solar thermal, geothermal and even low grade fuels containing high quantities of solid particulates (like pulverized coal and powdered iron); energy sources/stores that are currently underutilized due to the lack of turbines and engines capable of handling the multiphase fluid flows (any combination of gasses, liquids, solid particulates) present in low grade heat boilers and low grade fuel sources without damage over prolonged/continuous periods of use.
These preliminary tests are just to see how much electrical power can be produced with room temp compressed air driving the Tesla turbine. 6.22ft-Ibs of torque at only 4150rpm and +4.25kW between 6000-12,000 rpm. The TesTur nozzles never went over 20psi at the nozzle for the 2650watt electrical load test and not over 40psi at the nozzle for the 4250watt dyno test. This is so I can get a baseline for what to expect as I increase the temps to combustion levels. When using elastic gasses the counterintuitive thing most overlook is that the viscosity of gasses goes up with temp. So not only do we see an increase in thermodynamic efficiency from increased temps but the TesTur isentropic efficiency also goes up due to the reduced slip from the increased viscosity. If you’re interested, check out my RUclips channel for more TesTur information. I’ve got a lot more in depth videos up there. The link is in my bio! And please leave a comment on any video if you have any questions. I’m always happy to give really in depth responses to everyone. Cheers!
Hey thanks for commenting! Yeah super yawn. 🤭😉 Https://ruclips.net/video/Tuzh9mHvzkk/видео.html +4250watt Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 12,500 rpm ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html Make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds! Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2650watt Power and Efficiency Test ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html Tesla Turbine Jet Engine Combustion System GB186,083 - Powdered Iron Fuel + propane micro burner ruclips.net/video/Ad0Ecpc_OPM/видео.html Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines - AudioBook by Charlie Solis ruclips.net/video/TGGLG-7hK50/видео.html A More Efficient Off-Grid Steam + Gas Turbine! GB 186,083 ruclips.net/video/-anD-_LZQy8/видео.html A More Efficient Off-Grid Steam + Gas Turbine! GB 186,083 ruclips.net/video/-anD-_LZQy8/видео.html Let me know what ya think. 👨🔬🦾🤓
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I’m going the Thorium route to provide the steam.
Nice! Have you got a system design decided on already?
@@CharlieSolis just working on the space situation.
That’s the hardest part right there.
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Nice, how big is your thorium breeder😏
I make a tesla turbine every time i clean a paint roller with a garden hose.
Love this!!!!
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You are good
Hey much love and gratitude! 🙏❤️🔥🦾🤓👨🔬
Nikola Tesla is a beat invenser
Nice
Hey thanks for commenting!
Make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds!
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2.65 kW Power and Efficiency Test ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html
+5 Horsepower Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 12,000 rpm ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html
Solis Talks Tesla Turbines - Nikola Tesla’s Electrical Power Systems Patent GB 186,083 Walk Through ruclips.net/video/5Y3D13JmtcA/видео.html
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
Charlie, I'm very impressed by your progress. I've been following you for a while. My goal in life and dream is a small biomass (or solar thermal) mechanical generator capable of producing 1kw for disaster relief/ energy independence situations. I've run through all the schemes..... Automobile turbo chargers are too inefficient because of tip clearance issues. Sterling engines require pressurized fluid. Steam piston engines are very difficult mechanically, requiring oiling schemes, water separators, and have abysmal thermal efficiency.
All of that to ask, have you looked at using your improved turbine in a gas turbine scheme? If so i wonder if you've come to a determination on the appropriate compressor type. Initially i have thought another smaller Tesla turbine to be used as a compressor, but it's clear from your above comments that a Tesla pump/ compressor would have to be driven faster than the turbine to be effective, so a common shaft may not be possible. I wonder if a suitably efficient centrifugal compressor (again going back to something readily available such as those present in automobile turbo chargers would do the trick). Would love to collaborate
@@jsh111 Hey thanks for commenting. 🙏❤️🔥 It really helps with the algorithm
For more details about my work, swing by my RUclips channel! You can find a treasure trove of extensive videos there.
Just type “Charlie Solis Tesla gas Turbine” in the search, and you’ll see my channel pop right up.
The direct link is also easy to find in my bio.
Got questions?
Drop a comment on any video.
I love giving detailed answer to further discussions and clarify any queries.
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@@jsh111 When considering steam-based systems, you only need to introduce heat to turn the fluid into vapor. Technologies like Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC) can not only produce steam but can also operate using an organic Rankine cycle at notably lower temperatures. Of special interest is Tesla’s amended turbine patent, GB 186,083. This inventive design uses the residual heat from the turbine’s exhaust to produce steam. The generated steam then pre-cools the combustion jet prior to entering the turbine, thereby reducing the usual compression demands seen in traditional gas turbines. While conventional gas turbines work with air-to-fuel ratios ranging from 100:1 to 200:1, Tesla’s design minimizes the strain the compressor places on the shaft, allowing it to run efficiently even with stoichiometric ratios as low as 15:1. Furthermore, Tesla’s subsequent patent, GB 186,084, integrates both intake+combustion and steam turbine functionalities, negating the need for compressor all together.
@@jsh111 check out my video about Tesla inventing the Cheng thermodynamic cycle a whole 50 years before Dr Cheng got credit for it in the late 70s.
I think you’ll really like it! Cheers
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Can it also work like a pump? To make jet engine from Tesla pump, combastion chamber, and Tesla turbine?
Like a fluídos Pump???, how didyou do it??? Os amazing... By the gay, I Can't write directly un your wall I have to use an other user's comentary
@danialonso81 Robert Murray-Smith has testet Tesla turbine like a compressor, but i dont know, how good it can work, and which pressure cat it achieve!
@@konstantinhuwa3064 who is him???,
Add conventional turbines between spaces for torque
Hey thanks for commenting 🙏❤️🔥
Unfortunately that would actually make the turbine worse and would defeat the entire purpose of the Tesla turbine in the first place.
And when designed correctly TesTurs get plenty of torque.
Take a read of this quote from the patent.
“In the practical application of mechanical power, based on the use of fluids as the vehicle of energy, it has been demonstrated that, in order to attain the highest economy, the changes in the velocity and direction of movement of the fluid should be as gradual as possible. In the forms of apparatus heretofore devised or proposed, more or less sudden changes, shocks and vibrations are unavoidable. Besides, the employment of the usual devices for imparting to, or deriving energy from a fluid, such as pistons, paddles, vanes and blades, necessarily introduces numerous defects and limitations and adds to the complication, cost of production and maintenance of the machines
The object of my invention is to overcome these deficiencies and to effect the transmission and transformation of mechanical energy through the agency of fluids in a more perfect manner and by means simpler and more economical than those heretofore employed. I accomplish this by causing the propelling fluid to move in natural paths or stream lines of least resistance, free from constraint and disturbance such as occasioned by vanes or kindred devices, and to change its velocity and direction of movement by imperceptible degrees, thus avoiding the losses due to sudden variations while the fluid is imparting energy.
It is well known that a fluid possesses, among others, two salient properties, adhesion and viscosity.”
-Nikola Tesla
“Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them.
The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible.
This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.”
1) increase the speed of the fluid relative to the disc, (not increase disc speed)
2) increase surface area
3) decrease disc spacing
This is how you actually make a TesTur work.
The fluid interactions with the disc that govern efficiency an torque are adhesion and cohesion. Full stop.
This is why everyone who chases high rpm and foils/winglets/blades/etc with the TesTur just flat out fails.
They aren’t even trying to design them properly so of course they won’t work well
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2650watt Power and Efficiency Test
ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html
+4250watt Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 12,500 rpm ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html
These preliminary tests are just to see how much electrical power can be produced with room temp compressed air driving the Tesla turbine.
6.22ft-Ibs of torque at only 4150rpm and +4.25kW between 6000-12,000 rpm. (To the shaft too, not after gearing it, never mind it’s also geared UP to the generators.)
The TesTur nozzles never went over 20psi at the nozzle for the 2650watt electrical load test and not over 40psi at the nozzle for the 4250watt dyno test.
This is so I can get a baseline for what to expect as I increase the temps to combustion levels.
When using elastic gasses the counterintuitive thing most overlook is that the viscosity of gasses goes up with temp.
So not only do we see an increase in thermodynamic efficiency from increased temps but the TesTur isentropic efficiency also goes up due to the reduced slip from the increased viscosity.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Where are you located?? I'm in SW Ontario. We should collaborate if you're close by.
Super bro
Hey thanks for commenting! It really helps with the algorithm!
If you’re interested make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds!
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2.65 kW Power and Efficiency Test
ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html
+5 Horsepower Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 125 00 rpm HIGH SCORE!
ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html
Solis Talks Tesla Turbines - Nikola Tesla’s Electrical Power Systems Patent GB 186,083 Walk Through
ruclips.net/video/5Y3D13JmtcA/видео.html
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner
ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
Oh and the latest steam tests!
Steam Tesla Turbine Micro Power Plant - 1st Start Up
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Low rpm means low efficiency right? Whats the use of it if not for power plants? Backup generators work just fine with diesel, but I could see a case for one in some niche situations. So what is the revolutionary idea?
Im not hating im rooting for you to have found something amazing i just don’t understand what is the advantages of using it if it cant beat the bladed turbines we have now.
Thanks for your input. Contrary to popular misconception, Tesla turbines are actually quite efficient and deliver a respectable amount of torque, even at low rotational speeds. Let me break it down a bit further with some copy pasta 🍝 of mine: The notion that Tesla turbines need to spin extremely fast for efficiency is a misconception stemming from their use as centrifugal pumps. When functioning as pumps, yes, their effectiveness is related to tip speed. However, in a turbine setup, excessively high RPMs create a counterproductive centrifugal head that diminishes the pressure difference across the nozzle. This, in turn, reduces the fluid’s terminal speed and mass flow rates, ultimately impacting the turbine’s power output.
Adding to this, it’s worth mentioning that the faster you rotate the discs, the higher the velocity your input fluid must attain to maintain a torque advantage over the discs. To clarify this, let me share another bit of technical info: Tesla turbines are entirely viable for large-scale industrial applications. That’s because the torque experienced by the discs directly relates to the speed difference between the fluid and the disc. Here, the crucial element is the disc tip speed. For a specific fluid inlet, the nozzle will max out at a certain fluid velocity. This sets a cap on the disc tip speed, which isn’t influenced by the disc’s radius. And if you consider that centripetal force is linked to the square of velocity divided by the radius (V^2/R), you’ll find that enlarging the disc radius while maintaining the same tip speed will actually lower the centripetal forces exerted on the disc.
Contrary to the widespread myth that Tesla turbines must rotate at high speeds to be effective, the truth lies in optimizing certain conditions. Increasing disc speed isn’t the way to enhance efficiency; rather, it’s about minimizing slip between the fluid and the discs. When the slip increases, the system inherently suffers losses. Tesla’s own words from his patents outline how to get the most out of these turbines: “Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them. The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible. This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.” So the principles for maximizing TesTurs’ performance are: 1) increase fluid velocity in relation to disc speed,(not increase disc speed) 2) Maximize the surface area of the discs, and 3) Minimize the spacing between the discs. The fundamental interactions governing the turbine’s efficiency and torque are fluid adhesion and cohesion, and not RPM. Misguided efforts to chase RPM with TesTurs invariably lead to disappointment because they fundamentally misunderstand how to properly design these turbines.
Understanding the design specifics of Tesla turbines is crucial for their optimal operation, and it’s not about spinning them at high RPMs. A common misconception arises because people misinterpret Tesla’s patent, confusing the turbine’s function as a pump with its function as a drive turbine. In Tesla’s own words, which pertains to when the TesTur is used as a pump or compressor: ‘I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.’ So to clarify, high RPMs are relevant when the Tesla turbine is employed as a centrifugal pump or compressor because the performance of all centrifugal devices is dependent on tip speed. When it comes to its role as a drive turbine, the focus should be on reducing fluid slip, not on spinning the discs faster. Misinterpretation of Tesla’s patent has led to this RPM chase, causing ineffective designs and subpar performance.
It’s essential to clarify that ramping up the speed of the Tesla turbine discs isn’t beneficial; in fact, it can be counterproductive. The centrifugal forces that emerge at high RPMs can actually work against you by impeding the fluid flow and diminishing power output. So, if you’re designing a TesTur, remember that speeding up the discs is a double-edged sword. Not only does it create resistance via centrifugal forces, but it also demands that your fluid move even faster to apply useful torque to the discs. Hence, simply cranking up RPMs isn’t the magic fix some might think it is. This is what Tesla said, “Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.”
-Nikola Tesla
Tesla wasn’t advocating for high-speed rotation; rather, he emphasized correct design principles for optimal performance, even at low speeds. His turbines were envisioned as simple, low-maintenance, and versatile, capable of functioning well at various fluid velocities and rotational speeds when designed properly.
Have you ever tried the opposite.. meaning sending the compressed air through the center (exhaust port) vs the outer edge..? shown in some models.. im not understanding the concept of center exhausting the intook air.. due to centrifugal inertia.. wouldn't the air want to flow from center of the disk outward vs inward .?
Hey thanks for commenting. When used as a pump or compressor the fluid goes from center to periphery but when used as a turbine it goes from periphery to center.
In Tesla’s words, which pertains to when the TesTur is used as a pump or compressor: ‘I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed. For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.’
The centrifugal forces that emerge at high RPMs can actually work against you by impeding the fluid flow and diminishing power output. So, if you’re designing a TesTur, remember that speeding up the discs is a double-edged sword. Not only does it create resistance via centrifugal forces, but it also demands that your fluid move even faster to apply useful torque to the discs. Hence, simply cranking up RPMs isn’t the magic fix some might think it is. This is what Tesla said, “Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art.
Continuing on Tesla’s insights, he highlighted the inherent safeguards and multiple advantages of such motors: “… Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction. Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla
I hope this helps!
@CharlieSolis Wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to send this over.. had me pondering, but has answered my thoughts and questions ... really do appreciate ya! 👊✌️
That was wild
Are you using 2 Traxxas x01 1650 kv motors to spool it up
Hey TJO inventions and RC’s. While I do have a video of this being run in reverse, as a compressor driven by the motors, they are specifically being used right now as the electric generators for the turbine to produce electricity from the turbine spinning on the motive fluid.
The BLDC motors are technically the same thing as 3 phase high frequency permanent magnet generators/alternators.
In fact they are some of the highest quality and efficiency generators you can buy off the shelf. I need better bearings for longer run times though.
I won’t be using these forever though. I had a few of them sitting around and I decided to make the custom gear hub from the Traxxas gears for them to go on my hex shafts.
Worked like a charm and with the new all metal gears it sounds much nicer now.
it’s kinda funny, when I was using the plastic gears before it sounded a LOT like my RC car 🤭
Make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds!
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2.65 kW Power and Efficiency Test
ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html
+5 Horsepower Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 125 00 rpm HIGH SCORE!
ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html
Solis Talks Tesla Turbines - Nikola Tesla’s Electrical Power Systems Patent GB 186,083 Walk Through
ruclips.net/video/5Y3D13JmtcA/видео.html
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner
ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
@@giovannicesaramorim9adigan961 hey thanks for the question! 100% yes.
Just needs to be designed correctly
Can u try hho cold fusion with your turbine
Induction coils exist :)
Hey thanks for commenting. Could you elaborate a little more on that for me?
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Please dude... it is about efficiency not about making it to work. People built working tesla turbines many many times because it is not complicated. Problem is in efficiency to cost ratio. And even with these couple of shots of your far from perfect disks it is clear that performance ratio is not good. Because you lose a lot of energy when water starts to go turbulent. To get high performance you would need a laminar flow, and to get it you would need really, really flat disks. And it costs way too much to make this turbine worth anything. Maybe in the future.
I really appreciate you taking the time to leave me a comment, it means a lot to me and it helps increase my visibility on the algorithm. I’m glad you’re interested in learning more about my project, I’ve put a lot of work into it.
Make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds!
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2.65 kW Power and Efficiency Test ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html
+5 Horsepower Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 125 00 rpm HIGH SCORE! ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html
Solis Talks Tesla Turbines - Nikola Tesla’s Electrical Power Systems Patent GB 186,083 Walk Through ruclips.net/video/5Y3D13JmtcA/видео.html
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
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The Tesla turbine doesn’t need special materials when they designed correctly like I have to reduce turbulent flow between the discs. And in actuality it is will be the most affordable turbine to mass produce out of any other turbine at scale. The entire turbine can be stamped out, as Tesla explains in his improved turbine disc stack patent GB186,082
These preliminary tests are just to see how much electrical power can be produced with room temp compressed air driving the Tesla turbine.
The TesTur nozzles never went over 20psi at the nozzle for the 2650watt electrical load test and not over 40psi at the nozzle for the 4250watt dyno test.
This is so I can get a baseline for what to expect as I increase the temps to combustion levels.
When using elastic gasses the counterintuitive thing most overlook is that the viscosity of gasses goes up with temp.
So not only do we see an increase in thermodynamic efficiency from increased temps but the TesTur isentropic efficiency also goes up due to the reduced slip from the increased viscosity.
Show me another person who’s gotten 2650watts with only 20 psi at the nozzle with only room temp compressed air….. and 4250watts with only 40 psi at the nozzle and again room temp compressed air.
Materials are not an issue because, despite what everyone erroneously claims, Tesla turbines work just fine, get plenty of torque and output power at low RPMs.
I’ve got some copy pasta 🍝 of mine that I’ll share with ya here to explain more.
Tesla turbines aren’t made efficient by spinning really fast.
That’s only for when the disc stack is being used as a centrifugal pump, because ALL centrifugal pumps’ compressors, performance is tip speed dependent.
But spinning the turbine fast will produce a centrifugal head that opposes the incoming fluid flow, reducing the pressure gradient across the nozzle, reducing fluid final velocity, reducing mass flow rates through the nozzle and ultimately reducing power out.
Furthermore the faster you spin them the faster the fluid you have has to go just to still be moving faster than the discs and still provide torque.
Lastly, they work just fine for industrial use and can scale up just fine because the torque on the discs is proportional to the difference in the fluid speed and the disc speed.
So the disc tip speed is the important factor here.
For any given fluid supply in the nozzle will have a max fluid velocity.
So the turbine disc tips will have a max speed set at that fluid speed irrelevant if radius.
Now considering that centripetal force is proportional to V^2/R, if you keep the tip speed the same but increase the radius the centripetal forces on the disc for the speeds needed will actually decrease.
Despite what MANY have claimed about the Tesla turbine, it does NOT need to be spun fast to work or work efficiently.
TesTurs are made efficient when the slip on the discs is reduced and spinning the discs fast does nothing to reduce the slip, only increase the distance the fluid slips on the disc faces, which is by definition “loss”.
Listen to what Tesla himself said in the patents of how to make them work.
“Owing to a number of causes affecting the performance, it is difficult to frame a precise rule which would be generally applicable, but it may be stated that within certain limits, and other conditions being the same, the torque is directly proportionate to the square of the velocity of the fluid relatively to the runner and to the effective area of the disks and, inversely, to the distance separating them.
The machine will, generally, perform its maximum work when the effective speed of the runner is one-half of that of the fluid; but to attain the highest economy, the relative speed or slip, for any given performance, should be as small as possible.
This condition may be to any desired degree approximated by increasing the active area of and reducing the space between the disks.”
-Nikola Tesla
1) increase the speed of the fluid relative to the disc, (not increase disc speed)
2) increase surface area
3) decrease disc spacing This is how you actually make a TesTur work. Not by spinning it fast.
The fluid interactions with the disc that govern efficiency an torque are adhesion and cohesion. Full stop.
And spinning fast does nothing to increasing either to increase the turbines isentropic efficiency.
This is why everyone who chases rpm with the TesTur just flat out fails.
They aren’t even trying to design them properly so of course they won’t work.
You just have to know how to design it correctly to actually reduce slip to make them work, not spin them fast.
The only reason people think Tesla turbines have to be spun too fast, so they would need complex materials, is because EVERYONE has mistaken the part of the patent that is about the turbine being used as a pump as being about it being used as a drive turbine.
The only time you want to spin a TesTur fast is when it’s being used as a pump/compressor.
This is because ALL centrifugal pumps’/compressors’ performance is tip speed dependent.
“I have found that the quantity of fluid propelled in this manner, is, other conditions being equal, approximately proportionate to the active surface of the runner and to its effective speed.
For this reason, the performance of such machines augments at an exceedingly high rate with the increase of their size and speed of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla
And again, you DO NOT want to spin too fast in a TesTur because the centrifugal head will just counter your incoming fluid flow reducing power.
And the faster you spin discs, you’re fluid has to be going even that much faster just to be able to apply a torque on the disc face.
“Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described.
By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle.
If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path.
A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation.
Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter.
Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art.
Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction.
Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative.
It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance.
In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes.
It is almost free of windage, largely independent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution.” -Nikola Tesla
Tesla both knew it wasn’t meant to spin fast and that it worked great for low speeds IF you design it correctly.
And just for the record. I have a degree in physics from Michigan tech university.
I’m not just some Tesla fan boy posing on the internet.
I have actual actual proof of all my claims for TesTurs too.
Lastly, Tesla primarily planned for the Tesla turbine to be used with elastic gasses, combustion gas turbine and steam turbine, when it comes to power generation. This is why almost all the improvement patents for his turbine that he patented are designed around steam and combustion gasses.
Tesla Turbine Patent List by Nikola Tesla
US Patent 1,061,206 & GB patent 24,001: the original Tesla disc turbine patent from 1911.
Then almost all Tesla’s improved turbine patents, except the Tesla valve patent, were patented in 1921, the valve was done in 1919.
Patent GB 186,082: improved disc stack design for more torque
Patent GB 186,093: combustion + steam turbine with built in exhaust heat recovery boiler.
GB 186,084: combustion + steam turbine superheater and concentric/coaxial multifluid nozzle that the steam draws a vacuum on the exhaust of the combustion mixing them as they enter the turbine.
GB 175,544: hybrid Tesla Disc + Parson’s reaction turbine for utilizing the Reheat Factor of the energy lost to shearing in the fluid between the discs
GB 186,799: process and apparatus for balancing rotating machinery for quality at-speed dynamic balancing. He even says to use steam or compressed air for spinning the turbine during balancing.
US 1,655,114: aerial apparatus patent with improved turbine nozzle design
US 1,329,559: Tesla valve for pulsed combustion Tesla turbine.
GB 179,043: High Vacua Pump for increased steam condenser performance by large volumetric evacuation of the noncondensable gasses.
Lastly check out this read aloud I did of Nikola Tesla’s article “Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines” that he published right after parenting the original tesla disc turbine patent.
Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines - Article Read Aloud by Charlie Solis AudioBook Tesla Turbine Info
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On this he talks about his plans for spending his foreseeable future (at that time) doing R&D into improving combustion methods for power generation turbines.
And then in 1921 he patented most of the improved turbine patents I have listed above.
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
It reaches only about 65% efficiency under load so it’s no different than a bladed turbine
Can we get a step by step
If you’re interested, check out the rest of my RUclips channel for more information.
I’ve got a lot more in depth videos up there.
And please leave a comment on any video if you have any questions. I’m always happy to give really in depth responses to everyone. Cheers!
There are guys running electric superchargers. I want a tesla turbine supercharger. Lets talk
Hey thanks for commenting! We’re working on it! Stay tuned!
For the impeller
Hiii i loved it, can you please suggest me the dimensions of tesla turbine disc and also boundary layer thickness?
Just curious about conducting an experiment on Tesla turbines
If I can't put it on my WRX, then I don't care.
When can I buy one?
Thank you for getting in touch. We would be thrilled to provide more information about how to get a TesTur. Please send us an email at TesTurEnergy@gmail.com and either Andrew or I will be more than happy to get back to you.
Crazy to me people know wtf is going on in this
Hey thanks for commenting! 🙏❤️🔥🦾
Nikola Tesla’s steam turbine, also known as the Tesla turbine, is a bladeless turbine design that was patented by Tesla in 1913 (U.S. Patent 1,061,206). The turbine is unique because it uses smooth, parallel discs instead of blades to harness the energy of a moving fluid, such as steam, air, or water. The fluid enters the turbine tangentially and moves in a spiral path between the discs, transferring its kinetic energy to the discs in the process. The discs are mounted on a central shaft, and as the fluid moves through the turbine, the discs and shaft rotate, converting the fluid’s kinetic energy into mechanical energy. The boundary layer effect is a critical aspect of the Tesla turbine’s operation. To understand this effect, it is essential to delve into the principles of fluid dynamics that govern the turbine’s functioning. In fluid dynamics, the boundary layer is a thin region of fluid adjacent to a solid surface, such as the parallel discs in a Tesla turbine. Within this layer, the fluid’s velocity changes rapidly from zero (due to the no-slip condition at the solid surface) to the free-stream velocity away from the surface. The boundary layer effect plays a crucial role in the transfer of kinetic energy from the fluid to the discs in a Tesla turbine. When a fluid (e.g., steam, air, or water) enters the Tesla turbine tangentially, it creates a spiraling flow between the closely spaced discs. As the fluid moves along the discs’ surfaces, the boundary layer forms, and its thickness increases in the direction of the flow. The fluid particles in the boundary layer are slowed down due to viscous forces acting between the fluid and the solid surface of the discs. This deceleration of fluid particles results in the transfer of kinetic energy from the fluid to the discs, causing the discs and the central shaft to rotate.
With TesTur Energy, our mission is to give people energy independence through Combined Heat And Power (CHP) systems that can make use of underutilized energy sources like biomass, solar thermal, geothermal and even low grade fuels containing high quantities of solid particulates (like pulverized coal and powdered iron); energy sources/stores that are currently underutilized due to the lack of turbines and engines capable of handling the multiphase fluid flows (any combination of gasses, liquids, solid particulates) present in low grade heat boilers and low grade fuel sources without damage over prolonged/continuous periods of use.
These preliminary tests are just to see how much electrical power can be produced with room temp compressed air driving the Tesla turbine. 6.22ft-Ibs of torque at only 4150rpm and +4.25kW between 6000-12,000 rpm. The TesTur nozzles never went over 20psi at the nozzle for the 2650watt electrical load test and not over 40psi at the nozzle for the 4250watt dyno test. This is so I can get a baseline for what to expect as I increase the temps to combustion levels. When using elastic gasses the counterintuitive thing most overlook is that the viscosity of gasses goes up with temp. So not only do we see an increase in thermodynamic efficiency from increased temps but the TesTur isentropic efficiency also goes up due to the reduced slip from the increased viscosity. If you’re interested, check out my RUclips channel for more TesTur information. I’ve got a lot more in depth videos up there. The link is in my bio! And please leave a comment on any video if you have any questions. I’m always happy to give really in depth responses to everyone. Cheers!
Don't advertise it or the us gov. Will own it an u will be worm food
Yawn
Hey thanks for commenting! Yeah super yawn. 🤭😉
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+4250watt Tesla Turbine Dyno Jet Turbo Power & Torque Curve 375 mph @ 12,500 rpm ruclips.net/video/exF5Rn-L8gs/видео.html
Make sure to check out the latest updates on the combustion + steam Tesla turbine builds!
Tesla Turbine 250 watt to 2650watt Power and Efficiency Test ruclips.net/video/K7qZvq1CMFg/видео.html
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine - gasoline fuel burner atomizer flame tube test 186,083 propane burner ruclips.net/video/gRqKowignac/видео.html
Tesla Turbine Jet Engine Combustion System GB186,083 - Powdered Iron Fuel + propane micro burner ruclips.net/video/Ad0Ecpc_OPM/видео.html
Dr. Tesla Talks of Gas Turbines - AudioBook by Charlie Solis ruclips.net/video/TGGLG-7hK50/видео.html
A More Efficient Off-Grid Steam + Gas Turbine! GB 186,083 ruclips.net/video/-anD-_LZQy8/видео.html
A More Efficient Off-Grid Steam + Gas Turbine! GB 186,083 ruclips.net/video/-anD-_LZQy8/видео.html
Let me know what ya think. 👨🔬🦾🤓
Just stop. You're not him buddy
Lmao calm down dood. I never claimed to be
Just ordinary people doing extraordinary things.
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“I was an ordinary person who studied hard. There’s no miracle people.”
-Richard Feyman
Honestly I always thought of myself more of a Feynman than a Tesla anyway 🤣 but if I’m being honest definitely a little of column A, little of column B 🤷♂️ and a whole lotta column Charlie 😜
More like random autonomous jealousy pilot
@@Wrellothere53904 🤭
Are you him? Just start buddy