The fact that Kinger is more lucid when in darkness does sorta explain why he always is in his pillow fort, for him to be in darkness and go back to that memory
I made this comment on the original, but I think Kinger suffers from dementia, and there is something called sun-downing, where someone suffering with the condition has moments of lucidity in the dark where they are almost themselves again
The reason why Caine doesn't remember zooble telling him is because when they say "just forget it" as an ai he takes it LITERALLY, and wanting to respect zooble's wishes, he does. Because he does care for zooble and wants to help them. Also, I KNEW I was gonna love kinger since episode 1, I loved his character and figured he's not all he appears and the queen x'd out door was going to be important, I love Sean chiplock's perfomance
Wrong. Caine literally says himself that the reason he forgot is because he believes Zooble’s issue is already solved. I’m baffled how everyone seems to be parroting this around as if it’s fact when it’s very clear what he said. This whole “he’s listening to Zooble telling him to forget” thing could possibly be *part* of the reason, but it’s certainly not the only part.
@@caldercockatoo2234it seems like both hobestly. He seems to forget things when he's told to. BUT he also seems to flag the issue/task as complete because he presented a solution.
@@caldercockatoo2234 Yeah, I think it is both. But you contradicted yourself. Starting the comment with "wrong" et finally admitted you don't discount what the original comment said at the end. You could have just added to it without trying to be a snarky contrarian. Either that or stand with your stance and don't backtrack.
There's the reflective detail of the pulsing ripples in the creature's mouth mimicking abstractions' shifting eyes, which reminded Kinger of his wife; but between him and pomni, he seemed the more concerned one when listening to the tapes describing how the baron wrecked his own life. It also explains his absentminded tendency to seek out darkness, and why he's more coherently lucid once he finds it. Surprisingly he knows his way around firearms and has pretty good trigger discipline, besides being naturally protective and vaguely levelheaded under pressure, not to forget his advice and comfort always comes across as fatherly . . .
i saw someone point out kinger has remarkable trigger discipline, basically correcting himself as soon as he realized the barrel was pointing at pomni, then always keeping his finger away from the trigger until he fired
I noticed that too. Kinger seems to know his way around firearms. With the trigger discipline and the little spin he does with the gun when Pomni handed it to him.
People seem to forget that Cain is an AI. Think back all of the times Zooble said "Nevermind" or "Forget it". Cain's just reacting to the phrases as an AI robot would. As unintentional commands.
Yeah, I assume that's why this happens. He doesn't really get that they don't mean literally 'forget everything I just told you' and is just interpreting it as a command.
Kinger is like that grandfather who isn't all there but still cares about you all the way to the bone. I love that he was the literal shining light in a dark place for Pomni.
I actually have a few ideas as to what Jax could do when holding his breath. 1. His ears spin around, and he flies like a helicopter. 2. He starts shaking in place like a jackhammer. 3. He turns into cheese.
My personal theory is that his eyes start ticking side to side like a cat clock while making a ticking noise that speeds up as he reaches his mental limit.
"It's my fault we went down this path, wasn't it?" I get the feeling he's not talking about accidentally sending them into the scary door at the start of the adventure with that line.
@@braders790boopit’s basically confirmed at this point. The “7 years of computer science” line and the pilot where Ragatha questions how Kinger knows so much about the circus including how the digital food works are anything but subtle
I like to imagine true-form angels are actually 40 feet deep and 30 minutes brief, but because their 7-dimensional bodies aren't designed for our 4-dimensional living world, all we see is a confusing mass of organs. Like a 2D square seeing only a slice of a sphere clipping through his reality. That's why for actual interactions angels just spawn a humanoid avatar from off-screen.
I love cheese, also HOLY FRICK WHEN KINGER REMEMBERED HOW RAGATHA WAS WHEN SHE FIRST SHOWED UP HE HAD A BUCKET OVER HIS EYES AND WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING AT KAUFMO'S FUNERAL HE HAD HIS EYES CLOSED
when he was early on in regaining control of his thoughts he saw the monster and saw the glowing rings in the monsters mouth. the last time he saw his wife was in the dark when the abstracted (monster) eyes were glowing. In his semi-confused state he thought he was seeing his wife for the first time in a long time, and the first thing he said to "her" was "You look beautiful honey"
Fun facts, in the Polish version Cain calls them his Skibidi Sigmas. That line was so funny that the original voice actors for Cain and Jax had to recreate it.
I know it's only been 3 episodes, but this series has really mastered the art of telling jokes that turn out to be very heavy and poignant in hindsight
Kinger giving off some incredible caring dad energy this episode. It was really wholesome. He really shone this episode, and the character development was great too.
It gets worse/better in repeat views, too, if you think about it. -He's a walking chess piece, the King. If he goes, game over. But he's telling Pomni to stand behind him, he's guarding her. It's a good symbolism to use, even if there isn't anything else chess-themed to tie it with. -The fact that his hands and eyes are detachable is used in the plot. Any other character (except maybe Zooble) would likely not have been able to save Pomni in the hallway. Good use of the design. -And at the end, he knows he's going to go back to his old self, he knows he's going to forget. He knows he's going to be messed up forever, most likely. But he never asks for Pomni's help, no ideas on how to improve his lot in life. His only thought is to make sure Pomni doesn't feel bad about it. And, well, the glowing bit was foreshadowed, but it was a huge pay-off scene, too.
Funny thing is, this wasn’t development for Kinger. He’s always been like that, when he’s in the dark. This was him helping Pomni develop, giving her a way to pull through. I love this episode so much.
He’s like Uncle Iroh, he’s already been through his character development before the series started and now his job is to help someone else get through theirs:)
Those tapes are like a DM trying to railroad his players. “Oh damn you killed him. Uh.. Actually you shouldn’t have killed the creature cuz it was an angel and now your all getting dragged to hell.”
Feels like it was a "supposed to lose" fight meant to get them to the next plot point but they somehow killed it so the DM had to improvise to keep the story on track.
@@declanmckenna6854 The thing is Cain had Zooble in mind for this adventure. If zooble's limbs straighten out when they don't breathe. Then it would be hard to Zooble to escape without having to take a breath.
Caine is meant to entertain children but since a bunch of adults are stuck here he's tasked with doing way more than he was ever meant to do. He's taking care of humans he doesn't understand sending them on adventures to entertain them because that's what he was built for but is bad at making them. His adventures are buggy and full of loose threads. He's struggling with it all because they're unhappy and Zooble doesn't even want to participate. He tried to make the most "mature" adventure he could think of was an adventure with a clunky narrative that punishes you even if you solve the puzzle. Never mind the adorable ghost guide intended to follow them that Jax got rid of.
Lucid Kinger is wise, caring, loving and kind. Buried under all that crazy ramblings is a man who endured so much 💔 Hope he and Pomni have another heart to heart.
5:16 Here's what Bubble says in reverse, Alicia! Bubble says "I can't wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster" You're welcome ❤
You think Caine knows? That the darkness is what keeps abstracted from going on a rampage? Because Kaufmo’s room was completely dark until Jax came in, and other than the times Caine opens up the cellar, it’s completely devoid of any light source other than the glowing eyes. Makes me wonder just how advanced/simple his AI is given the whole “forget it/nevermind” being taken as literal commands, his approach at problem solving and when he considers a problem solved, and his breakdown when he thought that he wasn’t fulfilling his functions being so violent compared to how Gummigoo broke down.
I think Caine keeps forgetting what Zooble tells him BECAUSE Zooble keeps telling him "forget it", without realising that Caine's programming is taking that literally.
Kinger was my fav since episode 1 so I feel so well fed this episode. From his first line I was just "Oh this man has faced some horrors" and was curious. Just oh my gosh his memories may fade from time to time but his adoration for bugs remains. Also neat how Caine is so "Well they said forget it. So I did. What do you want me to forget?" Its so neat to see how a human and an AI can struggle with memories also cheeeeeeese
@@InnocentBurger-gm4td evern more intreasting is how this ties in with "Cain and Abel" also... "one of gods angels" : was created by "god" of this univers made me wonder, and well: "light-bringer" "king of Babylon" idk, thare is alot of Bible lore around a certain horned king of hell.. Like did you know ( i did not ) : "Diana greatly loved her brother Lucifer, the god of the Sun and of the Moon" The " and of the Moon " is bit weird here to me as "Diana" is also a moon godies name hmmm... idk.. im not a theroy crafter i can just see thet there clearly more going on here.
It reminded me of a moment from Adventures in Odyssey (The Great Wishy Woz). With a Heavenly figure (posing as a simple fisherman) leads a young girl by the hand back home. Great analogy there. And the scene certainly had me tearing up.😊
I went to one of those places last night. With the scare actors, I mean. I grinned like a psychopath the whole time and conversed with the scare actors.😆
@@felwalkr_94 The ones at universal studios were very sweet because they noticed my Mom and I were kinda hobbling cuz we both got pain probs. So they let us be.
His first dialogue in episode 1 was «did someone say something about an insect collection? » What I thought to be random XD humor then, I now realise that was kinger having a short recollection of something related to his wife (with her being passionate about entomology) because of the darkness of his pillow fort. Goddamn glitch, ok I’m sold.
My original thought or idea was that Caine programmed Kinger to forget things so that he wouldn’t be able to remember the 7 years of computer science he studied. Because if anyone knows how to escape, it would be Kinger wouldn’t it now?
It has just occurred to me that Caine set up a separate adventure for Zooble who doesn't feel at one with their body, in which, the good ending is likely one where you reunite the angel's head and body. I think Caine is (even if subconsciously) trying to help Zooble come to terms with their body image issues.
There's a lot of gushing over the episode already: the bugs/IT thing, the 'forget about it' thing, and all deservedly so, but one thing that's relatively under-reported and deserves a mention: how well they used Kinger's design in this one. His physical form actually mattered in this episode. Think about it: he's effectively got Buggy the Clown's powers with his hands and eyes, and he uses it to full effect. If he didn't have those abilities, he wouldn't have found the stairs, and wouldn't have been able to pull Pomni out of danger. Then there's the whole symbolism of him guarding Pomni. He's a living chess piece, a king. For him to say he'll put himself in danger is just chef's kiss in terms of design choices. The foreshadowed glowing was just icing on the cake. Oh, and cheese, of course.
If you look back at Kinger in the earlier episodes, we can actually see his lucidity and his attachment to his wife. Kinger first brings up an insect collection in episode 1, most likely because that's what his life would have loved to talk about and we later see what was likely his wife's room when Ragatha is taking Pomni to Kofmo. In episode 2, when Ragatha is worrying about Pomni, Kinger calms her down only when his head is in a bucket, aka in darkness. It's also interesting to note that Kinger hating bugs could also be a reference to computer bugs, as Kinger brings up the fact that he had seven years of computer programming. Finally, the fact that Kinger glows in the dark when he holds his breath could symbolize him as the sun, brightly shining and leading everyone else around them-- while also being surrounded by darkness. Since Kinger has been the longest out of all the others, he is the Sun while they're the planets, with his wife and the other Abstracts being the void and the darkness of space.
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not only the abstracts are the void, they are other stars, distant to him, yet he loves them
I love how positive Alicia is, I love how she gets serious with her community and shares her thoughts on some pretty serious matters. I just wish I had the willpower to utilize the information she gives
This is genuinely the first time an indie series genuinely made me emotion, and this episode made me love kinger even more than I already did. And I mean it also kinda makes sense why Kinger hangs around in his blanket fort and was so hyperfixated on bug collections cause while he might not entirely remember it, it reminds him of his wife
@@kuba890p See for me personally it seems like everyone knows that while yes Kinger is a mostly like not remembering anything/in his own little world/unresponsive/basically not well mentally, he does like snap back into reality, it’s just that he would need a recap on what happened before hand like how he needed Gangle to remind him what happened during the pilot. But one thing I noticed when rewatching episode 2 cause I was analyzing both episode 2 and 3 for theory purposes, I noticed that Kinger remembering things applies to basically everything being dark for him including a bucket on his head cause during episode two, he had a bucket on his head during the scene when he brought up how he remembered how Ragatha was back when she first arrived to the circus, but immediately went back to the goofy Kinger we know when he lifted the bucket up to actually look at her without the bucket covering his eyes. So literally his memory as a whole is a lot better when he’s in the dark but we can tell with episode three that the memories of his wife clearly means the most to him which again makes it depressing knowing the stuff with the bugs and the blanket fort
@@elizabethp1772 well yeah that's basically what i said, funnily enough there's a day and night cycle outside the circus but we didn't really get to see that yet right? I want to drown in the digital lake
I really hope the show isn’t baiting us with this hope. I know it’s a dark comedy, but I want the characters to get a (somewhat) happy ending. It can’t all be for nothing.
@@IronGhost8280 It doesn't look good though. So far the characters are still trapped forever, and now we know that not only caine himself can abstract, but if he does, the entire circus and everyone in it will be gone with him.
He says he forgot because he "already solved the problem" he didn't think that was still an issue because he gave them a box of parts
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@@Broomer52 you have to see it again, when zooble tells him to forget it, he forgets. It isnt that he thought that wasnt a problem anymore, is literally that she always ends things with a forget it
That depression pep talk definitely helped put things into perspective for me. I'm on new meds, seeing a therapist, and desperately trying to get my doctor to get me something for ADHD. My apartment is a disaster. For years now I just. Can't. Small victories are one thing, but I have yet to have a day where I can get a big victory in.
I think all the characters had a role in making the Digital Circus. Kinger was the programmer, since Gangle draws maybe they were the artist. Pomni remembers putting on a headset and some gaming knowledge so maybe she was a playtester.
that heart to heart between Kinger and Pomni was my absolute favorite part of the episode. I also enjoyed that even though Jax didn't expect Pomni to have anything nice to say, he didn't pry any further to get that delicious tea. 🧀
This episode explains why in the last episode Kinger could talk normally to Ragatha when he had the bucket on his head. It was the darkness that keeps his mind in sync. God, ya know, I feel like that a lot. Some days my brain is so scattered then something happens like a new episode of Helluva Boss or TADC come out and my brain realigns.
Kinger was almost symbolic of a light of hope/wisdom in the darkness. Somewhat overlooked when things are still bright. He wasn't just bright, became a beacon of dependability if only for a second.
Zoobles dysphoria really hit me and hurt on such a deep level, and made me hate Cain so much how he just dismissed them and that feeling like my parents did. Also, cheese
I feel like the circus and the things that happen in it are used as an analogy for real life problems, the way Kinger "I know how it can feel in this circus" , replace circus with life and the whole speech he gives her fits so well
Plot twist - Jax turns into a bunny when he holds his breath - and he’s never taken a breath in the entire show so nobody knows what he really looks like (or takes minuscule breaths to be able to talk when out of frame)
There's a theory that Jax is a NPC, he may not show people what happens when he holds his breath because nothing happens and that would expose him as an impostor
The fact that the episode that I expected Ponmi to be the most traumatized by turned out to be the one that healed her the most and it was all because of Klinger just made me😭😭😭😭 Kinger is such a tragic character and I hope his story ends happily.
It's so cool and impressive that this show can have two emotionally moving performances of both the grief of losing someone/the importance of holding onto others, and a metaphor for dysphoria only to follow it up with the line "Mewling Milkmaids." Or worse. The "Skibidi Sigmas." I love this show. 🧀
It's rare to see shows back in the day and even some shows of today talking about real issues like Body Dysmorphia. Props to Glitch Productions for bringing the subject to life. Zooble definitely needed the therapy session... Even if it was a bit one-sided. Also... CHEEEEEEEEESE!
Kinger was definitely the highlight of the episode! 💜🧡💚 He was so brave, protectively, kind, and wise to Pomni, I loved their interaction so much! It was so sweet! He’s one of my favorite characters! Zooble finally got their moment to shine and I felt so bad for them with thier body dysphoria and insecurities that I and many people relate too. I was so teary eyed 🎃💀👻 this episode was so terrifyingly good! 10/10!
One small correction to a great comment, since I see this mistake a lot. Dysmorphia and Dysphoria are *very* different things. Dysmorphia is a type of delusion, I.E. a type of psychotic symptom which creates a distorted perception of one's own body that doesn't conform with reality. An example would be an anorexic person seeing themself as morbidly obese despite in reality being horribly malnourished, or in a more extreme example someone with Cotard's Syndrome believing that their body is decaying around them to such an extent that they see themself rotting when they look in the mirror. *Dysphoria*, on the other hand, the term which better applies to Zooble, is a severe discontent, discomfort, or even revulsion at one's own physical body as it is. Common forms of Dysphoria include Gender/Sexual Dysforia as observed in many trans individuals, Weight Related Dysphoria as observed in many individuals with eating disorders, and Aesthetic Dysphoria which has to do with a dislike of one's own physical characteristics and appearance in general. What Zooble has most closely matches the symptoms of Aesthetic Dysphoria, but as many fans have speculated given that Zooble is canonically queer (Gender Nonbinary) it is *most likely* being used as a metaphor for Gender Dysphoria.
@@kristianbanks6450 Ah, there's nothing to apologize for. People get terms like these mixed up all the time. Thank YOU for not getting defensive. Have a good one!
I just remembered that kinger’s first line was “did someone say something about an insect collection?” His wife got him into liking bugs 😢
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he was inside the fort, so he was lucid...tell me, what would you do if suddenly you hear outside something about bugs? Wouldnt you think your wife came back?
Sad fact about Kinger for you- his pillowfort is cannonically *Darker.* Then the rest of the circus, he spends all his time in the fort, meaning he spends practically all of his time thinking about his wife… 😢
I know your model has been wearing that for a long time already in this channel, but it's never a bad moment to acknowledge that that outfit looks great!... Oh and this was a great episode too!
You know what kills me about this episode? This episo came out October 4th, my mom died October 5th. This is now my favorite episode, and Kinger is my favorite character. "And cherish the people around you, you never know when they'll be gone." That line hits so hard.
I find it so interesting to hear different experiences and you're discussion about your personality being the concern or complex and how Vtubing helped you build that confidence is such a interesting story and kinda inspiring. Rather then avoid your worry you confronted it and choose a platform and method that puts it to the test.
7:10 In chat, immalittlepup says "Everytime I hold my breathe I kill my brain cells" and my initial thought upon reading that was "And everytime we kiss I swear I could fly."
There is a funny thing in Zooble and Caine's scenes that someone proferred on: Caine doesn't remember because Zooble tells him not to. They're accidentally making their suffering continued and worse. See, Zooble's dysmorphia is actually depressing in a semse and relatable. I can understand the whole thing about not looking corect, don't get me wrong. Bbuuuuuttt here's the thing: Caine's an AI. He's a computer program, one that's made to ensure his guests are confortable, happy and positively stimulated; but a program nonetheless. He IS listening to Zooble's problem, he DOES want to help, but the moment that Zooble says, something like "Nevermind" or "forget it," then Caine deletes it. Because computer programs are face-value grades of literal. Because comouters don't get phrases or semantics. This also explains that freakout scene where Caine was siffering existensial dread. Because while he is effectively a God of this digital world, he is a God... Within the parameters of his programming. He is designed to make fun and stimulating scenarios and challenges for his guests, so when Zooble told him about all their problems with these challenges, then 1=0. He LITERALLY couldn't comprehend it, and it drove him to repeating error until Zooble essentially rerouted back to the start of the program. It's actually quite clever, esoecially how Zooble being dismissive is leading them to continually suffer. Because that's kind of true in real life: you see it as unsolvable and just a futile action that won't fix the problem all because you've tried everything you can think of. And when you ask for help, you don't know how to communicate it or just give up when you hit an old road block; likely before you hit an actual breaking point. I suffer something similar with class work from a general amount of issues I don't wanna get into, and you basically have to pry a "please help me" from me. It's unhealthy and negative, but asking for help the right way can pay dividends. Except I never had to ask help from a semi-humalike AI that's still constrained to their pre-set parameters, so what do I know?
Monster Head: **screams**
Alicia: **screams back**
They're communicating...
Alicia: I'm sorry
Kinger:I'm sorry
Someone please get those likes to 69, I was only able to get it to 68.
CHEESE
Perfect harmony
Alicia is one of God's servants herself... But that's just a theory, A FIIIIIILM THEORY, thanks for watching!
For anyone curious what Bubble was saying it was
“I can’t wait for all the children in the audience to have horrible nightmares about the monster”
I was completely unfazed by the horror stuff in this episodes tbh. So the joke's on Bubble in my case
@@The.Original.Phoenix7 Dude if you are actually a child you probably shouldn't be watching neither Alicia nor the amazing digital circus
@@The.Original.Phoenix7 Are you a kid ?
I'm literally 16. I turn 17 this December.
@@The.Original.Phoenix7 your not a child dumbass
The fact that Kinger is more lucid when in darkness does sorta explain why he always is in his pillow fort, for him to be in darkness and go back to that memory
I didn’t realize it before but it also makes sense why he was mesmerized by the angels mouth
AND why he was pretty lucid in episode 2 when he had a bucket on his head
I made this comment on the original, but I think Kinger suffers from dementia, and there is something called sun-downing, where someone suffering with the condition has moments of lucidity in the dark where they are almost themselves again
it also clicked for me that the angel head isnt luring king, king is reminded of his wifes abstraction form
@@tougherlist4598 THE WAY I SCREAMED OUT FUCK AFTER READING THIS, YOU BEAT ME TOO IT!!!!!
The reason why Caine doesn't remember zooble telling him is because when they say "just forget it" as an ai he takes it LITERALLY, and wanting to respect zooble's wishes, he does. Because he does care for zooble and wants to help them. Also, I KNEW I was gonna love kinger since episode 1, I loved his character and figured he's not all he appears and the queen x'd out door was going to be important, I love Sean chiplock's perfomance
Wrong. Caine literally says himself that the reason he forgot is because he believes Zooble’s issue is already solved. I’m baffled how everyone seems to be parroting this around as if it’s fact when it’s very clear what he said. This whole “he’s listening to Zooble telling him to forget” thing could possibly be *part* of the reason, but it’s certainly not the only part.
@@caldercockatoo2234it seems like both hobestly. He seems to forget things when he's told to. BUT he also seems to flag the issue/task as complete because he presented a solution.
@@caldercockatoo2234 Yeah, I think it is both. But you contradicted yourself. Starting the comment with "wrong" et finally admitted you don't discount what the original comment said at the end. You could have just added to it without trying to be a snarky contrarian. Either that or stand with your stance and don't backtrack.
There's the reflective detail of the pulsing ripples in the creature's mouth mimicking abstractions' shifting eyes, which reminded Kinger of his wife; but between him and pomni, he seemed the more concerned one when listening to the tapes describing how the baron wrecked his own life. It also explains his absentminded tendency to seek out darkness, and why he's more coherently lucid once he finds it. Surprisingly he knows his way around firearms and has pretty good trigger discipline, besides being naturally protective and vaguely levelheaded under pressure, not to forget his advice and comfort always comes across as fatherly . . .
i saw someone point out kinger has remarkable trigger discipline, basically correcting himself as soon as he realized the barrel was pointing at pomni, then always keeping his finger away from the trigger until he fired
I noticed that too. Kinger seems to know his way around firearms. With the trigger discipline and the little spin he does with the gun when Pomni handed it to him.
@shadowk18 kinger plays COD confirmed?
Scratch that, he isn't racist.
But there's always DayZ...
@@Douchey_Elkmen Actually, he DID keep mentioning boats this episode. Maybe he used to be into fishing & hunting?
29:56
Pomni: "Please don't come alive."
Dead Baron: "Okay, I won't."
That's my favorite bit.
31:29, he was so bumboozled he compressed, Like oh yeah I killed main villain at the start, cut scene, and you are on the floor
Alongside the Gumigoo confetti incident, stuff like that definitely helps them sell the point about the Circus being insanity-inducing lol.
Same
That would’ve been too if it weren’t for Alicia’s simultaneous screaming at 17:06
"That's the power of 'please', kids." -Stewie Griffin
People seem to forget that Cain is an AI.
Think back all of the times Zooble said "Nevermind" or "Forget it". Cain's just reacting to the phrases as an AI robot would. As unintentional commands.
"Why do you keep forgetting things? Actually, you know what? Forget it." - Just Zooble Things
@@Ozymandias2x
What are we talking about again?
Caine
Yeah, I assume that's why this happens. He doesn't really get that they don't mean literally 'forget everything I just told you' and is just interpreting it as a command.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. It's really interesting to go back to and check for details.
Kinger is like that grandfather who isn't all there but still cares about you all the way to the bone.
I love that he was the literal shining light in a dark place for Pomni.
I actually have a few ideas as to what Jax could do when holding his breath.
1. His ears spin around, and he flies like a helicopter.
2. He starts shaking in place like a jackhammer.
3. He turns into cheese.
My personal theory is that his eyes start ticking side to side like a cat clock while making a ticking noise that speeds up as he reaches his mental limit.
Or he becomes buff.
I’ve seen a theory where he turns invisible
I imagine his ears go up and down and alternating each one. Another thought I had is he lays eggs like the Easter bunny
"It's my fault we went down this path, wasn't it?"
I get the feeling he's not talking about accidentally sending them into the scary door at the start of the adventure with that line.
Maybe he was lead programmer and started work on the digital circus project...
@@braders790boopit’s basically confirmed at this point. The “7 years of computer science” line and the pilot where Ragatha questions how Kinger knows so much about the circus including how the digital food works are anything but subtle
@@totalgarbage2053 That was Jax questioning.
@@psychokinrazalon my bad
He's probably talking about his wife.
Glitch literally went "Screw it! Biblically correct angel!" The whole "be not afraid" thing makes a lot more sense now.
I like to imagine true-form angels are actually 40 feet deep and 30 minutes brief, but because their 7-dimensional bodies aren't designed for our 4-dimensional living world, all we see is a confusing mass of organs. Like a 2D square seeing only a slice of a sphere clipping through his reality.
That's why for actual interactions angels just spawn a humanoid avatar from off-screen.
I love cheese, also HOLY FRICK WHEN KINGER REMEMBERED HOW RAGATHA WAS WHEN SHE FIRST SHOWED UP HE HAD A BUCKET OVER HIS EYES AND WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING AT KAUFMO'S FUNERAL HE HAD HIS EYES CLOSED
when he was early on in regaining control of his thoughts he saw the monster and saw the glowing rings in the monsters mouth.
the last time he saw his wife was in the dark when the abstracted (monster) eyes were glowing.
In his semi-confused state he thought he was seeing his wife for the first time in a long time, and the first thing he said to "her" was "You look beautiful honey"
Fun facts, in the Polish version Cain calls them his Skibidi Sigmas.
That line was so funny that the original voice actors for Cain and Jax had to recreate it.
The Spanish VA also uploaded his own take on the Skibidi Sigmas to his socials
@@Rexaura888 Nice 😂
The "okay i wont" bit was way funnier then it had any right to be.
17:12 I love that in Spanish here he says: "I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I don't speak Lovecraftian" 😂
Honestly, that’s somehow better
in german he sazs "could you say that again, i dont speak french"
@@Flitzzzzy That's even funnier! What the shit?!
Oh, that's wonderful.
@@Flitzzzzy i didnt notice the key to learn french was just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
He truly started to think.
edit: cheese
cheese
I know it's only been 3 episodes, but this series has really mastered the art of telling jokes that turn out to be very heavy and poignant in hindsight
cheese
Sometimes I dream about cheese.
CHEESE
Kinger giving off some incredible caring dad energy this episode. It was really wholesome. He really shone this episode, and the character development was great too.
Chess Dad
He shone, literally lol
It gets worse/better in repeat views, too, if you think about it.
-He's a walking chess piece, the King. If he goes, game over. But he's telling Pomni to stand behind him, he's guarding her. It's a good symbolism to use, even if there isn't anything else chess-themed to tie it with.
-The fact that his hands and eyes are detachable is used in the plot. Any other character (except maybe Zooble) would likely not have been able to save Pomni in the hallway. Good use of the design.
-And at the end, he knows he's going to go back to his old self, he knows he's going to forget. He knows he's going to be messed up forever, most likely. But he never asks for Pomni's help, no ideas on how to improve his lot in life. His only thought is to make sure Pomni doesn't feel bad about it. And, well, the glowing bit was foreshadowed, but it was a huge pay-off scene, too.
Ba dum chang
Funny thing is, this wasn’t development for Kinger. He’s always been like that, when he’s in the dark. This was him helping Pomni develop, giving her a way to pull through. I love this episode so much.
He’s like Uncle Iroh, he’s already been through his character development before the series started and now his job is to help someone else get through theirs:)
17:06 - Alicia and the Monster Head are communicating in a Language us lowly mortals cannot understand.
What a sight to witness... 😆😆😆
Those tapes are like a DM trying to railroad his players. “Oh damn you killed him. Uh.. Actually you shouldn’t have killed the creature cuz it was an angel and now your all getting dragged to hell.”
I feel like that was designed for Jax in mind. Let's be honest he would've loved to shoot the monster.
Feels like it was a "supposed to lose" fight meant to get them to the next plot point but they somehow killed it so the DM had to improvise to keep the story on track.
@@declanmckenna6854 The thing is Cain had Zooble in mind for this adventure. If zooble's limbs straighten out when they don't breathe. Then it would be hard to Zooble to escape without having to take a breath.
Caine is meant to entertain children but since a bunch of adults are stuck here he's tasked with doing way more than he was ever meant to do. He's taking care of humans he doesn't understand sending them on adventures to entertain them because that's what he was built for but is bad at making them. His adventures are buggy and full of loose threads. He's struggling with it all because they're unhappy and Zooble doesn't even want to participate. He tried to make the most "mature" adventure he could think of was an adventure with a clunky narrative that punishes you even if you solve the puzzle. Never mind the adorable ghost guide intended to follow them that Jax got rid of.
"You're all going to Hell, goodbye~"
Lucid Kinger is wise, caring, loving and kind. Buried under all that crazy ramblings is a man who endured so much 💔 Hope he and Pomni have another heart to heart.
5:16 Here's what Bubble says in reverse, Alicia!
Bubble says
"I can't wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster"
You're welcome ❤
“I can’t wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from a monster” - bubble
You think Caine knows? That the darkness is what keeps abstracted from going on a rampage? Because Kaufmo’s room was completely dark until Jax came in, and other than the times Caine opens up the cellar, it’s completely devoid of any light source other than the glowing eyes. Makes me wonder just how advanced/simple his AI is given the whole “forget it/nevermind” being taken as literal commands, his approach at problem solving and when he considers a problem solved, and his breakdown when he thought that he wasn’t fulfilling his functions being so violent compared to how Gummigoo broke down.
17:06 I love how both the angel’s scream and Alicia’s scream were perfectly in sync
I think Caine keeps forgetting what Zooble tells him BECAUSE Zooble keeps telling him "forget it", without realising that Caine's programming is taking that literally.
Kinger was my fav since episode 1 so I feel so well fed this episode. From his first line I was just "Oh this man has faced some horrors" and was curious. Just oh my gosh his memories may fade from time to time but his adoration for bugs remains. Also neat how Caine is so "Well they said forget it. So I did. What do you want me to forget?" Its so neat to see how a human and an AI can struggle with memories
also cheeeeeeese
the fact that the head screamed and you screamed back was the moment of your channel yet !
dont get sad please
the way her eyes LITERALLY lit up was adorable. my god.
Kinger, the most broken of them, being Pomni's light to lead her by the hand out of hell like an Angel is just poetic.
Funny, considering Kinger just shot an angel, twice technically, the body, and the head
@@InnocentBurger-gm4td evern more intreasting is how this ties in with "Cain and Abel" also...
"one of gods angels" : was created by "god" of this univers
made me wonder, and well: "light-bringer" "king of Babylon"
idk, thare is alot of Bible lore around a certain horned king of hell..
Like did you know ( i did not ) :
"Diana greatly loved her brother Lucifer, the god of the Sun and of the Moon"
The " and of the Moon " is bit weird here to me as "Diana" is also a moon godies name
hmmm...
idk.. im not a theroy crafter i can just see thet there clearly more going on here.
@@MouseGoat Wait... The sun and moon... Like the ones in the digital circus... Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
It reminded me of a moment from Adventures in Odyssey (The Great Wishy Woz).
With a Heavenly figure (posing as a simple fisherman) leads a young girl by the hand back home.
Great analogy there.
And the scene certainly had me tearing up.😊
13:10 Oh scare actors would LOVE you. "Oh she's distracted cuz she's yapping. I can totally sneak up on them"
I went to one of those places last night. With the scare actors, I mean. I grinned like a psychopath the whole time and conversed with the scare actors.😆
@@felwalkr_94 The ones at universal studios were very sweet because they noticed my Mom and I were kinda hobbling cuz we both got pain probs. So they let us be.
17:07 And harmonize... perfect. Well done, Alicia, you two are gonna kill it onstage.
It made me wanna scream too
Alicia had great instincts. The first door was the right choice
Your tips on self care was... something I really needed to hear. Thank you.
36:28 7 years suggest that Kinger has at least a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science (4 years in the US), with potentially a PhD or Masters too.
He is senior developer
The mansion gives me heavy 2010s horror games, the angel head especially gives me Cry of Fear jumpscare face
Cry of fear mentioned fucking love that game
Kind of reminds me of the Amnesia games.
The exterior of the building is from Luigi’s Mansion if i am not mistaken.. at least it look almost identical.
@@nicholaspokorny5058 definently gave me alot of amnesia vibes
Yes, the taking photos in the dark part, and then a giant head appears, screaming at you.
13:20 When you have ADHD and remember the chores/homework/job stuff you still have to do, but the task paralysis kicks in
I hate how relatable this is
Relatable
Yeah
His first dialogue in episode 1 was «did someone say something about an insect collection? »
What I thought to be random XD humor then, I now realise that was kinger having a short recollection of something related to his wife (with her being passionate about entomology) because of the darkness of his pillow fort.
Goddamn glitch, ok I’m sold.
My original thought or idea was that Caine programmed Kinger to forget things so that he wouldn’t be able to remember the 7 years of computer science he studied. Because if anyone knows how to escape, it would be Kinger wouldn’t it now?
Caine did try to help them escape though, no?
It has just occurred to me that Caine set up a separate adventure for Zooble who doesn't feel at one with their body, in which, the good ending is likely one where you reunite the angel's head and body.
I think Caine is (even if subconsciously) trying to help Zooble come to terms with their body image issues.
Fun fact, in the polish dub Caine calls them "my skibidi sigmas"
For meowing milkmaids or ironclad waffle cones?
For meowing milkmaids @@cheetahboi_yt
@@cheetahboi_ytprobably meowing milkmaids
@@cheetahboi_ytYeah, it was the milkmaids one.
that's not a fun fact
"i'm starting to think"
me when the edibles wear off
There's a lot of gushing over the episode already: the bugs/IT thing, the 'forget about it' thing, and all deservedly so, but one thing that's relatively under-reported and deserves a mention: how well they used Kinger's design in this one. His physical form actually mattered in this episode.
Think about it: he's effectively got Buggy the Clown's powers with his hands and eyes, and he uses it to full effect. If he didn't have those abilities, he wouldn't have found the stairs, and wouldn't have been able to pull Pomni out of danger.
Then there's the whole symbolism of him guarding Pomni. He's a living chess piece, a king. For him to say he'll put himself in danger is just chef's kiss in terms of design choices. The foreshadowed glowing was just icing on the cake. Oh, and cheese, of course.
Kinger and Pomni together give off such father/daughter vibes and I love it! ❤️
17:06 Man that harmonization be Crazy girl!
I’m sorry, I’m legit struggling to breathe, XD
If you look back at Kinger in the earlier episodes, we can actually see his lucidity and his attachment to his wife. Kinger first brings up an insect collection in episode 1, most likely because that's what his life would have loved to talk about and we later see what was likely his wife's room when Ragatha is taking Pomni to Kofmo. In episode 2, when Ragatha is worrying about Pomni, Kinger calms her down only when his head is in a bucket, aka in darkness.
It's also interesting to note that Kinger hating bugs could also be a reference to computer bugs, as Kinger brings up the fact that he had seven years of computer programming. Finally, the fact that Kinger glows in the dark when he holds his breath could symbolize him as the sun, brightly shining and leading everyone else around them-- while also being surrounded by darkness. Since Kinger has been the longest out of all the others, he is the Sun while they're the planets, with his wife and the other Abstracts being the void and the darkness of space.
not only the abstracts are the void, they are other stars, distant to him, yet he loves them
Maybe Caine doesn't remember because Zooble is unknowingly telling him to forget
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening, lmao
I love how positive Alicia is, I love how she gets serious with her community and shares her thoughts on some pretty serious matters. I just wish I had the willpower to utilize the information she gives
After the episode and watching it again, Kinger's "you know? I'm starting to think" when he and Pomni first get to the trophies room hits different 💀
This is genuinely the first time an indie series genuinely made me emotion, and this episode made me love kinger even more than I already did. And I mean it also kinda makes sense why Kinger hangs around in his blanket fort and was so hyperfixated on bug collections cause while he might not entirely remember it, it reminds him of his wife
Yeah he only remembers when he's in his fort because it's dark in there so nobody knows about how kinger is really like besides pomni
@@kuba890p See for me personally it seems like everyone knows that while yes Kinger is a mostly like not remembering anything/in his own little world/unresponsive/basically not well mentally, he does like snap back into reality, it’s just that he would need a recap on what happened before hand like how he needed Gangle to remind him what happened during the pilot. But one thing I noticed when rewatching episode 2 cause I was analyzing both episode 2 and 3 for theory purposes, I noticed that Kinger remembering things applies to basically everything being dark for him including a bucket on his head cause during episode two, he had a bucket on his head during the scene when he brought up how he remembered how Ragatha was back when she first arrived to the circus, but immediately went back to the goofy Kinger we know when he lifted the bucket up to actually look at her without the bucket covering his eyes. So literally his memory as a whole is a lot better when he’s in the dark but we can tell with episode three that the memories of his wife clearly means the most to him which again makes it depressing knowing the stuff with the bugs and the blanket fort
@@elizabethp1772 well yeah that's basically what i said, funnily enough there's a day and night cycle outside the circus but we didn't really get to see that yet right? I want to drown in the digital lake
The way alicia screamed in sync with the monster 😂
I really hope the show isn’t baiting us with this hope. I know it’s a dark comedy, but I want the characters to get a (somewhat) happy ending. It can’t all be for nothing.
Cheese!
Like the great comedies Dante’s Inferno or Issac’s Ladder!
Or my love life!
Why not?
@@anzaca1 Because I don’t like depressing stuff and I care about these characters.
@@IronGhost8280 It doesn't look good though. So far the characters are still trapped forever, and now we know that not only caine himself can abstract, but if he does, the entire circus and everyone in it will be gone with him.
Also I believe bubble says something like he hopes the children get trauma from the monster (or something similar to that)
I still cry when Kinger says "...the worst thing you can do is make someone think they're not wanted or loved." It just hits so hard for me
Kinger murmuring "...an insect collection?" in episode 1 hits harder now.
(Also, cheese)
Maybe the reason Cain keeps forgetting is because Zooble keeps telling him to “forget it”
Also,🧀.
He says he forgot because he "already solved the problem" he didn't think that was still an issue because he gave them a box of parts
@@Broomer52 you have to see it again, when zooble tells him to forget it, he forgets. It isnt that he thought that wasnt a problem anymore, is literally that she always ends things with a forget it
17:06 monster jumpscare
17:07 alicia jumpscare
That depression pep talk definitely helped put things into perspective for me. I'm on new meds, seeing a therapist, and desperately trying to get my doctor to get me something for ADHD. My apartment is a disaster. For years now I just. Can't.
Small victories are one thing, but I have yet to have a day where I can get a big victory in.
Caine is bassically another version of Bill Cipher ngl
Same powers (omnipotence basically) but completely different personalities, intentions and placements in the universe.
5:17
"I can't wait for all the children in the audience to get horrible nightmares from the monster!"
The fact that Alicia and the monster's screams were timed near perfectly.
13:20
When you first watch: "Oh, Kinger... You so silly."
After the first watch: "... Oh shit, that's what he meant... Damn this show is good!"
I think all the characters had a role in making the Digital Circus. Kinger was the programmer, since Gangle draws maybe they were the artist. Pomni remembers putting on a headset and some gaming knowledge so maybe she was a playtester.
It's CRAZY how fast everyone in chat jumped to dysmorphia with zooble despite that.. not being at all what the problem is lol
3:11 funfactm in German dub they say "gangles head turns into a beyblade"
And in the polish dub Caine calls them all “skibidi sigmas”
@@hearts4mikeaftonim polish
and no
@@checkouttheplaylists5316 was it not the polish dub? I thought it was
@@hearts4mikeafton let me check just to be sure
@@hearts4mikeafton you were right💀
As a man that doesn't think, Kinger starting to think was inspirational
Kinger is deadass the *IGON* of this franchise. Starts of as a lunatic and then is shown as an absolute chad
The ice king
The Simon Petrikov
that heart to heart between Kinger and Pomni was my absolute favorite part of the episode. I also enjoyed that even though Jax didn't expect Pomni to have anything nice to say, he didn't pry any further to get that delicious tea. 🧀
Kinger glowing like he's an angel in hell taking Pomni out makes me tear everytime.
That scream was the best time scream and reaction I have seen in long time 😂
This episode explains why in the last episode Kinger could talk normally to Ragatha when he had the bucket on his head. It was the darkness that keeps his mind in sync.
God, ya know, I feel like that a lot. Some days my brain is so scattered then something happens like a new episode of Helluva Boss or TADC come out and my brain realigns.
Kinger was almost symbolic of a light of hope/wisdom in the darkness. Somewhat overlooked when things are still bright. He wasn't just bright, became a beacon of dependability if only for a second.
Zoobles dysphoria really hit me and hurt on such a deep level, and made me hate Cain so much how he just dismissed them and that feeling like my parents did. Also, cheese
I feel like the circus and the things that happen in it are used as an analogy for real life problems, the way Kinger "I know how it can feel in this circus" , replace circus with life and the whole speech he gives her fits so well
Plot twist - Jax turns into a bunny when he holds his breath - and he’s never taken a breath in the entire show so nobody knows what he really looks like (or takes minuscule breaths to be able to talk when out of frame)
There's a theory that Jax is a NPC, he may not show people what happens when he holds his breath because nothing happens and that would expose him as an impostor
1:32 cheese
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The fact that the episode that I expected Ponmi to be the most traumatized by turned out to be the one that healed her the most and it was all because of Klinger just made me😭😭😭😭 Kinger is such a tragic character and I hope his story ends happily.
Alicia, your instincts were actually spot on in choosing the doors LOL. The Normal door was indeed the one on the right hahaha!
Kinger really hit that.
"I miss my wife Pomni."
It's so cool and impressive that this show can have two emotionally moving performances of both the grief of losing someone/the importance of holding onto others, and a metaphor for dysphoria only to follow it up with the line "Mewling Milkmaids." Or worse. The "Skibidi Sigmas." I love this show.
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It's rare to see shows back in the day and even some shows of today talking about real issues like Body Dysmorphia. Props to Glitch Productions for bringing the subject to life. Zooble definitely needed the therapy session... Even if it was a bit one-sided.
Also... CHEEEEEEEEESE!
Kinger was definitely the highlight of the episode! 💜🧡💚
He was so brave, protectively, kind, and wise to Pomni, I loved their interaction so much! It was so sweet! He’s one of my favorite characters! Zooble finally got their moment to shine and I felt so bad for them with thier body dysphoria and insecurities that I and many people relate too. I was so teary eyed
🎃💀👻 this episode was so terrifyingly good! 10/10!
One small correction to a great comment, since I see this mistake a lot. Dysmorphia and Dysphoria are *very* different things. Dysmorphia is a type of delusion, I.E. a type of psychotic symptom which creates a distorted perception of one's own body that doesn't conform with reality. An example would be an anorexic person seeing themself as morbidly obese despite in reality being horribly malnourished, or in a more extreme example someone with Cotard's Syndrome believing that their body is decaying around them to such an extent that they see themself rotting when they look in the mirror. *Dysphoria*, on the other hand, the term which better applies to Zooble, is a severe discontent, discomfort, or even revulsion at one's own physical body as it is. Common forms of Dysphoria include Gender/Sexual Dysforia as observed in many trans individuals, Weight Related Dysphoria as observed in many individuals with eating disorders, and Aesthetic Dysphoria which has to do with a dislike of one's own physical characteristics and appearance in general. What Zooble has most closely matches the symptoms of Aesthetic Dysphoria, but as many fans have speculated given that Zooble is canonically queer (Gender Nonbinary) it is *most likely* being used as a metaphor for Gender Dysphoria.
@@souffrantdepine3762 oh ok! Thank you for the correction. I apologize
@@kristianbanks6450 Ah, there's nothing to apologize for. People get terms like these mixed up all the time. Thank YOU for not getting defensive. Have a good one!
@@souffrantdepine3762 you too!😊😁it’s no problem
kinger is an accurate representation of how all software engineers end up
Gooseworks confirmed each episode will be about a character. Next one will be about Gangle . Their is a total of 9 episodes.
Also I think the 6th episode will focus on Jax . Remember that Gooseworks confirmed Jax has mental disorders .
I just remembered that kinger’s first line was “did someone say something about an insect collection?” His wife got him into liking bugs 😢
he was inside the fort, so he was lucid...tell me, what would you do if suddenly you hear outside something about bugs? Wouldnt you think your wife came back?
Sad fact about Kinger for you- his pillowfort is cannonically
*Darker.*
Then the rest of the circus, he spends all his time in the fort, meaning he spends practically all of his time thinking about his wife… 😢
I know your model has been wearing that for a long time already in this channel, but it's never a bad moment to acknowledge that that outfit looks great!... Oh and this was a great episode too!
Bro, how does Micheal get the most chaotic characters in indie animation? He absolutely nails them everytime.
You know what kills me about this episode? This episo came out October 4th, my mom died October 5th.
This is now my favorite episode, and Kinger is my favorite character.
"And cherish the people around you, you never know when they'll be gone." That line hits so hard.
I feel bad for Kinger experiencing such a traumatic experience:(
Cheese.
poor kinger. give him some cheese, he deserves something nice
Cheese time! Also Alicia becoming way too relatable with a chaotic journey from the psych field hit me deep
I find it so interesting to hear different experiences and you're discussion about your personality being the concern or complex and how Vtubing helped you build that confidence is such a interesting story and kinda inspiring. Rather then avoid your worry you confronted it and choose a platform and method that puts it to the test.
to be fair, that monster head's model is genuinely terrifying even before it screams
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7:10
In chat, immalittlepup says "Everytime I hold my breathe I kill my brain cells" and my initial thought upon reading that was "And everytime we kiss I swear I could fly."
There is a funny thing in Zooble and Caine's scenes that someone proferred on: Caine doesn't remember because Zooble tells him not to. They're accidentally making their suffering continued and worse.
See, Zooble's dysmorphia is actually depressing in a semse and relatable. I can understand the whole thing about not looking corect, don't get me wrong.
Bbuuuuuttt here's the thing: Caine's an AI. He's a computer program, one that's made to ensure his guests are confortable, happy and positively stimulated; but a program nonetheless. He IS listening to Zooble's problem, he DOES want to help, but the moment that Zooble says, something like "Nevermind" or "forget it," then Caine deletes it. Because computer programs are face-value grades of literal. Because comouters don't get phrases or semantics.
This also explains that freakout scene where Caine was siffering existensial dread. Because while he is effectively a God of this digital world, he is a God... Within the parameters of his programming. He is designed to make fun and stimulating scenarios and challenges for his guests, so when Zooble told him about all their problems with these challenges, then 1=0. He LITERALLY couldn't comprehend it, and it drove him to repeating error until Zooble essentially rerouted back to the start of the program.
It's actually quite clever, esoecially how Zooble being dismissive is leading them to continually suffer. Because that's kind of true in real life: you see it as unsolvable and just a futile action that won't fix the problem all because you've tried everything you can think of. And when you ask for help, you don't know how to communicate it or just give up when you hit an old road block; likely before you hit an actual breaking point. I suffer something similar with class work from a general amount of issues I don't wanna get into, and you basically have to pry a "please help me" from me. It's unhealthy and negative, but asking for help the right way can pay dividends.
Except I never had to ask help from a semi-humalike AI that's still constrained to their pre-set parameters, so what do I know?
0:15 hmm maybe I just will
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