In the year 2400, Martin Shepard's counterpart will give the same history on guitar in the early 21st century: we played tab, we played very loud, we detuned some strings, we added extra strings but the bass wasn't coming through clearly so we tried longer scale lengths.
I made this theorbo for myself in 1996. I eventually sold it in 2019 to a friend who had more need of it than I do. I am always happy to make more lutes! See my website www.luteshop.co.uk and visit my channel ruclips.net/user/luteshop and my FB page facebook.com/luteshop. Thanks for your appreciation!
"Well established by the fifteenth century." Of course it came from somewhere. The ethno-bigotry in the west is astounding. I grew up with an education in western music, and loved classical guitar and lute music as a child. I became a cellist. Fifty years later I discover the oud. After a few years of research, and attending an Arabic music program, I now finally have a decent Arabic oud. I actually see a lot of parallel in myself with those Andalusian musicians and troubadors encountering a new instrument. I may never be a good Arabic musician, the new system of scales, microtones, and rhythms is complex. But I must play this wonderful instrument, in whatever hybrid way I can. It amazes me that I spent over fifty years loving the lute as a western musician without ever hearing about the oud.
The oud is alive and well! And like the Western European lute, very different from its ancestors. It's interesting to ask what happened to the lute in the period from the beginning of its divergence from the oud in medieval times through to the end of the 15th century when the first written music for it appeared. I didn't discuss the (ancient) origins of the European lute in this video because it's a huge and controversial topic.
so history of an Instrument and you failed to say where and how it originated and what instrument it was based on???? a few things to keep in mind when talking about an Instrument
How can I in a better way accept this instrument considering it's origins, in Europe from occupying Muslim Moors? An occupation which would come to include enforced conversion to Islam and Arabization of the culture. It would feel a bit better if some of the origin had come from a country like Greece. How much could the Lute instruments (and the Arabic Oud for that matter) have originally been inspired from an instrument like the Ancient Greek Kithara?
The idea that the lute entered Europe with the Moorish invasion of Spain has become such a commonplace that perhaps we accept it too uncritically - simple stories are almost always wrong. You can find an interesting account of the Arabic/Spanish side of things on David Van Edwards' site at www.vanedwards.co.uk/history1.htm. Lute instruments of one sort or another are very ancient and it may well be that we should look for a Far-eastern origin as well. The current developments in the story of our species show clearly how a simple idea (a single species migrating in one wave out of Africa) has been overturned or at least made more complex by new evidence. Christians and Jews and Arabs got along together quite well (with a few ups and downs) for centuries, but what happened in the 1490s was not pretty.
Seems rather bigoted to me. So much of the world has been destroyed and colonized by the culture claiming Greece and Rome as its origin. Should we disdain the violin because it came with Roman conquerers? The oud had two paths into Europe. One was Moorish Spain, and the other was the multiple crusades launched by European powers against the Muslim caliphates ruling Jerusalem. You complain about Moorish injustice, when their culture preserved scientific education and civilization while Europe was in the 'dark age', yet have no problem with wars of invasion launched by Christians. No, they weren't inspired by Greek instruments. The Greek instruments were inspired by the oud, originally a four course instrument from Persia. How about adjusting your bigoted feelings?
@@shepberryhill4912 Yes, I am trying to adjust my 'bigoted' feelings. That's why im asking questions. I am very bothered by it and I couldnt stop thinking about it for ceveral months.
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I like the calm way you're explaining things without annoying music in the background. Keep up the good work! All best wishes, Andreas, lutenist
In the year 2400, Martin Shepard's counterpart will give the same history on guitar in the early 21st century: we played tab, we played very loud, we detuned some strings, we added extra strings but the bass wasn't coming through clearly so we tried longer scale lengths.
You should talk about where the lute originated from which the Arabic El oud.
I was gonna comment the same thing. But unlike the lute, the Oud is still popular used in nowadays music.
thank you
this was wonderful
great video! I would love to transition from guitar to lute one day
Hello. Great video. Very informative. Can you tell me who the luthier was who made the Theorbo? I would like to purchase one. Thank you.
I made this theorbo for myself in 1996. I eventually sold it in 2019 to a friend who had more need of it than I do. I am always happy to make more lutes! See my website www.luteshop.co.uk and visit my channel ruclips.net/user/luteshop and my FB page facebook.com/luteshop. Thanks for your appreciation!
@@luteshop Thank you so much Martin! I will check out your website and other social media platforms.
Martin me dices las medidas de ese laud de 6 órdenes.
It's based on the lute by Georg Gerle, which is 59.7cm. This one is 60cm, made in 1985 and used for my CD "Fantasia" - www.luteshop.co.uk/fantasia
Nice...
"Well established by the fifteenth century." Of course it came from somewhere. The ethno-bigotry in the west is astounding. I grew up with an education in western music, and loved classical guitar and lute music as a child. I became a cellist. Fifty years later I discover the oud. After a few years of research, and attending an Arabic music program, I now finally have a decent Arabic oud. I actually see a lot of parallel in myself with those Andalusian musicians and troubadors encountering a new instrument. I may never be a good Arabic musician, the new system of scales, microtones, and rhythms is complex. But I must play this wonderful instrument, in whatever hybrid way I can. It amazes me that I spent over fifty years loving the lute as a western musician without ever hearing about the oud.
The oud is alive and well! And like the Western European lute, very different from its ancestors. It's interesting to ask what happened to the lute in the period from the beginning of its divergence from the oud in medieval times through to the end of the 15th century when the first written music for it appeared. I didn't discuss the (ancient) origins of the European lute in this video because it's a huge and controversial topic.
It originated from the oud
so history of an Instrument and you failed to say where and how it originated and what instrument it was based on???? a few things to keep in mind when talking about an Instrument
How can I in a better way accept this instrument considering it's origins, in Europe from occupying Muslim Moors? An occupation which would come to include enforced conversion to Islam and Arabization of the culture. It would feel a bit better if some of the origin had come from a country like Greece. How much could the Lute instruments (and the Arabic Oud for that matter) have originally been inspired from an instrument like the Ancient Greek Kithara?
The idea that the lute entered Europe with the Moorish invasion of Spain has become such a commonplace that perhaps we accept it too uncritically - simple stories are almost always wrong. You can find an interesting account of the Arabic/Spanish side of things on David Van Edwards' site at www.vanedwards.co.uk/history1.htm. Lute instruments of one sort or another are very ancient and it may well be that we should look for a Far-eastern origin as well. The current developments in the story of our species show clearly how a simple idea (a single species migrating in one wave out of Africa) has been overturned or at least made more complex by new evidence. Christians and Jews and Arabs got along together quite well (with a few ups and downs) for centuries, but what happened in the 1490s was not pretty.
Seems rather bigoted to me. So much of the world has been destroyed and colonized by the culture claiming Greece and Rome as its origin. Should we disdain the violin because it came with Roman conquerers? The oud had two paths into Europe. One was Moorish Spain, and the other was the multiple crusades launched by European powers against the Muslim caliphates ruling Jerusalem. You complain about Moorish injustice, when their culture preserved scientific education and civilization while Europe was in the 'dark age', yet have no problem with wars of invasion launched by Christians. No, they weren't inspired by Greek instruments. The Greek instruments were inspired by the oud, originally a four course instrument from Persia. How about adjusting your bigoted feelings?
@@shepberryhill4912 Yes, I am trying to adjust my 'bigoted' feelings. That's why im asking questions. I am very bothered by it and I couldnt stop thinking about it for ceveral months.