Interesting video. I make fitted furniture for a living and I now only use Finsa Hidrofugo, even though it’s so much more expensive. My rationale is that the raw materials generally form a small proportion of the overall price of a job, with labour being the biggest portion, so anything I can do to reduce labour is a plus. Rubbing down every edge multiple times between coats adds hours of work, which for me just isn’t worth it. I also find that the Finsa takes less paint to finish, and finishes better than standard MDF. Also as Finsa is so much denser than standard MDF the performance on things like bookcases is way better with no sagging shelves. Finally, I can differentiate myself from the competition offering a more premium product at a higher price, which generally covers the cost of the increased materials anyway. I guess it’s all about finding what works for your business and sticking with it 👍
I achieve pretty awesome finishes without the need for it. If I was doing Mouldings all the time, I'd use the finsa for that, but it's a close call. The standard mdf im showing in the video was a very close contender. I suppose everyone's situation is different 👍👍👍
I pay 48.20 plus vat on 18mm finsa hidro. That's not a pack price either. I would never go back to cheap MDF as the extra effort in edge prep and flattening it after primer and always found the inside to be really fluffy. I can sand finsa edges and small radius and spray 2 primers and one top coat of Sayerlack and the finish is great. It's much denser.
I left the UK about 20 years ago, lumber is so cheap here in the US that I wouldn’t think of using anything but solid wood or ply, built a K sized bed from rough cut red oak, which cost just $360, even with the cost of tools; routers, planer, table saw, track saw I still spent less than buying a bed.
Im paying 43.95 plus vat for 18mm Finsa. So around £53 a sheet. Prep time far outweighs the overall cost. Besides when i upped my prices slightly i did so to reflect the premium material. Sands better, screws better, paints easier...i wouldnt even go back to Medite MR. For the price i charge the clients deserve the best.
Very good demo using a tipical, basic setup. You are not wrong regarding the cost. Most of us just don't have the space to store a 50 pack of MDF - be it 6mm or 25. Personally, I don't mind putting in the extra effort to achieve that smooth finish, when you consider the fact that the super premium MDF is up to 4 times the price. As ever, thanks for sharing.👍
I like the straight shooting no bullshit drops and thank god you do that. Great demo on the MDF it’s a great product I use it a lot it’s a shame it’s such a killer on the lungs
Would never use anything but finsa on door fronts for finish and stability, pick up a sheet 18mm finsa then pick up a sheet of 18mm standard, the weight difference will tell you all you need to know.
This standard I buy from Lords is absolutely amazing and it weighs a ton, trust me. Its the best standard ive ever used. its not for from the finsa when I did that test too and at a 1/3 of the price. This is my experience anyway and I suppose everyone has different experiences 👍👍👍
The question for your business is....'Would my customers pay the extra for finsa?' Looking at your excellent results with std. mdf and even taking into account the extra work and time I would suggest not. Do what you do the best you can do it and you certainly do that my friend 👌🏻
What is "standard" MDF because if you buy standard Medite or Finsa it will be considerably better than that sold by the sheds and many builders merchants. "Standard " MDF just means it's not water resistant or water proof.
As a Joiner the only real options are Medite MRMDF or Finsa Hydrofugo in my opinion. The problem with the cheap stuff sold by the sheds and some building suppliers is its very fluffy due to the lack of pressure during manufacturing and it de laminates easier. Carry and 8x4 sheet of cheap stuff and it's all floopy, totally different from Medite and Finsa. Just my opinion.
That's ok totally up to you... you must not have any of this stuff?! If you did you'd know how good it really is. I dont make videos to make people buy crap 👍
All right I'll take your word for it. There are so many people on youtube these days who suddenly change their tune and start pushing what I know is crap . Unfortunately I've ended up getting suspicious. My apologies, you seem to be a real craftsman and not just another "pocket hole jockey" I've bought quite a bit of stuff on Temu and other Chinese sites with some success. It's mostly crap but I have found a few gems. Some of these guys would know a quality tool from junk. I will try not to be so quick passing judgment. Jim @@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop
@user-dm8be1is4g Yeah, to be honest , most of the Chinese stuff I have is really well made, and sometimes even better than the originals 🤣 All the stuff I have is from banggood and all the links of the tools I think are good are in my video descriptions. The parallel guides and adjustable track saw square are absolutely amazing. The router lift and fence are also really amazing, and superbly made. But I understand what you meant and its all cool, and really appreciate you watching and the support on my channel 😊 Cheers ryan 👍
I'm run a small Joinery and most of the time use Medite MRMDF ,if I can't get that then I use the Finsa Hydrofugo. To be honest the cheap MRMDF sold by the shed type outlets is rubbish, it far less dense. If you lift a 8x4 of 18mm cheap MDF is floppy but when you lift a sheet of Medite or Finsa is so much more solid and stable. When time is money having to hand finish far more than you would do if using a decent quality MDF then in my opinion it makes no sense going cheap. About 6yrs ago I was offered a container full of MDF which I think was Chinese for £1 a sheet. It's was about the same quality as that sold by the sheds and I still didn't buy it. I'm currently paying £34 +vat for a sheet of 18mm Medite MRMDF so it really isn't that expensive if you factor in how many sheets you use per job. How much are you really saving by buying either cheap MR or cheap standard MDF?. Lastly, the cheap rubbish de-laminates so easily. Cheers for the interesting video though.. 🙂
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Interesting video. I make fitted furniture for a living and I now only use Finsa Hidrofugo, even though it’s so much more expensive. My rationale is that the raw materials generally form a small proportion of the overall price of a job, with labour being the biggest portion, so anything I can do to reduce labour is a plus. Rubbing down every edge multiple times between coats adds hours of work, which for me just isn’t worth it. I also find that the Finsa takes less paint to finish, and finishes better than standard MDF. Also as Finsa is so much denser than standard MDF the performance on things like bookcases is way better with no sagging shelves. Finally, I can differentiate myself from the competition offering a more premium product at a higher price, which generally covers the cost of the increased materials anyway. I guess it’s all about finding what works for your business and sticking with it 👍
I achieve pretty awesome finishes without the need for it. If I was doing Mouldings all the time, I'd use the finsa for that, but it's a close call.
The standard mdf im showing in the video was a very close contender.
I suppose everyone's situation is different 👍👍👍
Agree with that 100%..........
I pay 48.20 plus vat on 18mm finsa hidro. That's not a pack price either. I would never go back to cheap MDF as the extra effort in edge prep and flattening it after primer and always found the inside to be really fluffy. I can sand finsa edges and small radius and spray 2 primers and one top coat of Sayerlack and the finish is great. It's much denser.
I left the UK about 20 years ago, lumber is so cheap here in the US that I wouldn’t think of using anything but solid wood or ply, built a K sized bed from rough cut red oak, which cost just $360, even with the cost of tools; routers, planer, table saw, track saw I still spent less than buying a bed.
Wow, I'd buy just a few pieces for that price! Pretty amazing!
I'm not sure it would have any effect, I only really use standard and have never have those types of problems . 👍
great video like always ! if MR MDF is medium , please tell what is the highs one / thank you so much !
Thank you!!!
Can you explain a bit? im not relly sure of the question... Thank you
Ryan
Amazing!! Love the title I'm surprised too!
Nice one! Yeah I am too tbh, good result in the end 😁
Im paying 43.95 plus vat for 18mm Finsa. So around £53 a sheet.
Prep time far outweighs the overall cost. Besides when i upped my prices slightly i did so to reflect the premium material.
Sands better, screws better, paints easier...i wouldnt even go back to Medite MR.
For the price i charge the clients deserve the best.
Solid video..thanks.. it's worth noting that there is definitely a significant variation in standard MDF depending on supplier..
Thank you!
And yes 100%, I find the Lords mdf pretty amazing, it's so heavy and dense. 👍
Very good demo using a tipical, basic setup. You are not wrong regarding the cost. Most of us just don't have the space to store a 50 pack of MDF - be it 6mm or 25. Personally, I don't mind putting in the extra effort to achieve that smooth finish, when you consider the fact that the super premium MDF is up to 4 times the price. As ever, thanks for sharing.👍
Thanks for the comment, I'm the same as you 😊
I only use Finsa. Best out there for a spray finish.
I like the straight shooting no bullshit drops and thank god you do that. Great demo on the MDF it’s a great product I use it a lot it’s a shame it’s such a killer on the lungs
Thank you much appreciated!!
Yep shame about how it's made, but I suppose with good extraction and masks at least we prevent it!! 👍
Great video. Even tho I have no clue what you’re talking about!!!
Helloooo Helen!
Thank you!
Well now you know a little bit more than a minute ago 🤣🤣🤣
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop this is very true!
Keep watching though and one day you'll be a master Craftsman 🤣
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop not sure that will happen! But you never know!!
Would never use anything but finsa on door fronts for finish and stability, pick up a sheet 18mm finsa then pick up a sheet of 18mm standard, the weight difference will tell you all you need to know.
This standard I buy from Lords is absolutely amazing and it weighs a ton, trust me.
Its the best standard ive ever used.
its not for from the finsa when I did that test too and at a 1/3 of the price. This is my experience anyway and I suppose everyone has different experiences 👍👍👍
The question for your business is....'Would my customers pay the extra for finsa?'
Looking at your excellent results with std. mdf and even taking into account the extra work and time I would suggest not.
Do what you do the best you can do it and you certainly do that my friend 👌🏻
I get great results with standard so it just makes sense to keep using it 👍
What is "standard" MDF because if you buy standard Medite or Finsa it will be considerably better than that sold by the sheds and many builders merchants. "Standard " MDF just means it's not water resistant or water proof.
AQnother well put together video.
Take a look at the Kinzo trim router, guess what spare paers fit it? Makita exactly the same !! for £30 odd pounds
Thank you! Ok I will take a look!
I’m more interested in which stays flattest over time if I’m honest - tall built in doors etc. Any thoughts?
As a Joiner the only real options are Medite MRMDF or Finsa Hydrofugo in my opinion. The problem with the cheap stuff sold by the sheds and some building suppliers is its very fluffy due to the lack of pressure during manufacturing and it de laminates easier. Carry and 8x4 sheet of cheap stuff and it's all floopy, totally different from Medite and Finsa. Just my opinion.
I enjoy your videos but your over pushing the Chinese router stuff has me wondering if I can take what you say at face value. Sorry mate.
That's ok totally up to you... you must not have any of this stuff?! If you did you'd know how good it really is.
I dont make videos to make people buy crap 👍
All right I'll take your word for it. There are so many people on youtube these days who suddenly change their tune and start pushing what
I know is crap . Unfortunately I've ended up getting suspicious. My apologies, you seem to be a real craftsman and not just another "pocket hole jockey" I've bought quite a bit of stuff on Temu and other Chinese sites with some success. It's mostly crap but I have found a few gems. Some of these guys would know a quality tool from junk. I will try not to be so quick passing judgment. Jim
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop
@user-dm8be1is4g Yeah, to be honest , most of the Chinese stuff I have is really well made, and sometimes even better than the originals 🤣
All the stuff I have is from banggood and all the links of the tools I think are good are in my video descriptions.
The parallel guides and adjustable track saw square are absolutely amazing.
The router lift and fence are also really amazing, and superbly made.
But I understand what you meant and its all cool, and really appreciate you watching and the support on my channel 😊
Cheers ryan 👍
I'm run a small Joinery and most of the time use Medite MRMDF ,if I can't get that then I use the Finsa Hydrofugo. To be honest the cheap MRMDF sold by the shed type outlets is rubbish, it far less dense. If you lift a 8x4 of 18mm cheap MDF is floppy but when you lift a sheet of Medite or Finsa is so much more solid and stable. When time is money having to hand finish far more than you would do if using a decent quality MDF then in my opinion it makes no sense going cheap.
About 6yrs ago I was offered a container full of MDF which I think was Chinese for £1 a sheet. It's was about the same quality as that sold by the sheds and I still didn't buy it. I'm currently paying £34 +vat for a sheet of 18mm Medite MRMDF so it really isn't that expensive if you factor in how many sheets you use per job. How much are you really saving by buying either cheap MR or cheap standard MDF?.
Lastly, the cheap rubbish de-laminates so easily.
Cheers for the interesting video though.. 🙂