VERY interesting point about post hole diggers ! I watched every three day event televised back in the late 70's- 80's multiple times -and she is absolutely right about the lack of rotational falls....I never realised it before. A frangible table is a betrayal of the horse's trust.
Hi Lucinda, I remember seeing you for the first time at the Rushall horse trials many moons ago, and you kindly autographed my programme for me, and I still have it to this day. 😊 I think the safety of horse and rider is the number one priority, and the frangible pins are a good idea, but not so for a table fence, cause I have often seen horses bank them, so they need to be solid. What I don't like is the skinny fences in a combination in water, I don't think it's fair to the horse especially when you see so many falls at that type of fence like I've seen in an event in the USA. I watched Badminton last year on RUclips and was appalled at the amount of horse falls, and I felt that the course was really too much to ask of horse and rider, and I feel it was much kinder in the old days when I used to actually go to Badminton and watch, although the fences were big and a little scary ( especially the Vicarage Vee) they weren't so complex and complicated as they are today. I'm not an Eventing rider, but I preferred jumping natural fences to show jumping, and I worked with hunters and had fun jumping them, and I still love the old English hunter type of horse most I believe had Irish draught in their breeding and they were all above 16.3 hh but they made brilliant hunters. For Eventing i think 3/4 Thoroughbred is a good combination, but then again I'm old fashioned. 😊
I saw the"Normandy Bank in 72 at Badminton...I m sure I havent seen fences like that today. It was all" Guts or No Glory" back then. I remember the footing back then as it had been a wet week..
Great discussion. I hadn't thought of the fact that taking out the endurance element and therefore making the courses more technical would naturally create more opportunities for rotational falls due to riders tackling solid fences like they're show jumping, cutting corners and jumping on angles more. I tend to feel like they are making courses now too technical than is fair to ask of a horse. I'd love to see them bring back the endurance element in some way and limit the technicality to make it more reasonable. Some sort of middle ground is surely the answer, not collapsible tabletops 😓 As usual, Lucinda talks a lot of sense! Looking forward to hearing more 😃👏👏👏
Another thought is the horses used to be American Thoroughbreds. They are much quicker getting their legs up and out of the way. It has something to do with the conformation of their shoulders. They react quicker as well. The American Thoroughbred is the superior athlete for cross country jumping.
@@NBF1865 Actually not so. The condensing of the long format that she so well explained, was two fold. First at Olympic level it was just far too expensive for the countries who did not have existing courses like Badminton or Burghley, to design them and therefore be able to include in the eventing design, Secondly, there was real talk about getting rid of eventing altogether because it was felt that the minor nations were at a disadvantage; so it was agreed to compromise and get rid of the arduous four stages of endurance and limit it to the XC phase only. I heard Pippa Funnel say some time ago, that she liked the long format because a fizzy horse would settle better across country having already been on the steeplechase, she is old enough to have done both. IMO, the long format was overall better in those days horses rarely finished on the dressage score. Older riders who completed both generally favoured it.On a personal note, I am very sorry that Lucinda never won an individual Olympic medal.1984, she came close but her dressage score let her down, Regal Realm found it difficult. Excellent video.
Standing ovation 🙂 thank you for this video l! I couldn't agree more
VERY interesting point about post hole diggers ! I watched every three day event televised back in the late 70's- 80's multiple times -and she is absolutely right about the lack of rotational falls....I never realised it before.
A frangible table is a betrayal of the horse's trust.
Thankyou for putting these vlogs together!! Your everyone's idol in the horse world ! Your knowledge is amazing to listen too!
The sport needs to return to its origins and the breeding back to the wonderful thoroughbreds.
she’s just so amazing! i try and teach to make my riders into miniature lucinda greens ❤️
Hi Lucinda, I remember seeing you for the first time at the Rushall horse trials many moons ago, and you kindly autographed my programme for me, and I still have it to this day. 😊
I think the safety of horse and rider is the number one priority, and the frangible pins are a good idea, but not so for a table fence, cause I have often seen horses bank them, so they need to be solid. What I don't like is the skinny fences in a combination in water, I don't think it's fair to the horse especially when you see so many falls at that type of fence like I've seen in an event in the USA. I watched Badminton last year on RUclips and was appalled at the amount of horse falls, and I felt that the course was really too much to ask of horse and rider, and I feel it was much kinder in the old days when I used to actually go to Badminton and watch, although the fences were big and a little scary ( especially the Vicarage Vee) they weren't so complex and complicated as they are today. I'm not an Eventing rider, but I preferred jumping natural fences to show jumping, and I worked with hunters and had fun jumping them, and I still love the old English hunter type of horse most I believe had Irish draught in their breeding and they were all above 16.3 hh but they made brilliant hunters. For Eventing i think 3/4 Thoroughbred is a good combination, but then again I'm old fashioned. 😊
Thank you Lucinda, this is very interesting to hear and lots to consider,makes a lot of sense to me.
I saw the"Normandy Bank in 72 at Badminton...I m sure I havent seen fences like that today. It was all" Guts or No Glory" back then. I remember the footing back then as it had been a wet week..
i would love to see her ride ❤
Great discussion. I hadn't thought of the fact that taking out the endurance element and therefore making the courses more technical would naturally create more opportunities for rotational falls due to riders tackling solid fences like they're show jumping, cutting corners and jumping on angles more. I tend to feel like they are making courses now too technical than is fair to ask of a horse. I'd love to see them bring back the endurance element in some way and limit the technicality to make it more reasonable. Some sort of middle ground is surely the answer, not collapsible tabletops 😓
As usual, Lucinda talks a lot of sense! Looking forward to hearing more 😃👏👏👏
How many now could get over the "Norbandy Bank" that i saw at 72 Badminton? Not many today could ride Badminton back in the day.
Today "landscape footing" ...not like that when you rode!.
My hat off to you!
Another thought is the horses used to be American Thoroughbreds. They are much quicker getting their legs up and out of the way. It has something to do with the conformation of their shoulders. They react quicker as well. The American Thoroughbred is the superior athlete for cross country jumping.
That's a contradiction in terms ... American thoroughbreds??? Thoroughbreds are thoroughbreds wherever they are bred
I think that's why they did away with long format warmbloods couldn't hang with thoroughbreds.
@@NBF1865 Actually not so. The condensing of the long format that she so well explained, was two fold. First at Olympic level it was just far too expensive for the countries who did not have existing courses like Badminton or Burghley, to design them and therefore be able to include in the eventing design, Secondly, there was real talk about getting rid of eventing altogether because it was felt that the minor nations were at a disadvantage; so it was agreed to compromise and get rid of the arduous four stages of endurance and limit it to the XC phase only. I heard Pippa Funnel say some time ago, that she liked the long format because a fizzy horse would settle better across country having already been on the steeplechase, she is old enough to have done both. IMO, the long format was overall better in those days horses rarely finished on the dressage score. Older riders who completed both generally favoured it.On a personal note, I am very sorry that Lucinda never won an individual Olympic medal.1984, she came close but her dressage score let her down, Regal Realm found it difficult. Excellent video.