BIO BOI SHOW TIME. Okay but also... here's some timecodes. :P Memes (00:21), RUclips Updates (1:14), Zion & Nike (6:36), TIA (11:55), Women Denied CItizenship (13:40)
So why isn't anyone asking the obvious question; "Why are you slimy, opportunistic creeper parents monetizing your child's pointless gymnastics videos?" 2019 Pageant Parents or sexual exploitation in the guise of Tiger Moming?
I think the problem is that it sets a terrible precedent, it would be better to give them citizenship and send them to jail (taking her child into adoption agencies. When they deny her access, she will never give them her child, therefore entering a horrible Life for an innocent kid, and she will have further reason to go back into ISIS. I too think she should go f herself and have to live with the stupid decisions she made, but by denying her citizenship (for the some purpose of locking her up) it sets a terrible precedent for the future and would lead to a terrible life for her innocent child.
In my opinion though, her child was born when she was a British citizen. Her child isn't at fault and shouldn't grow up to be stateless. The UK should grant citizenship to the child and put it for adoption
Luiz Matthew I’m pretty sure the kid is still considered a UK citizen, that being said it would be a complicated situation to try and get her child to the UK. It’s just a bad situation in general
@@luizmatthew1019 it's clear the child is at fault, but there's no way that she'd give her child away to adoption services if she was rejected by the country, for the good of the child I think the UK has to provide the woman citizenship
Lmao, someone actually used the argument of “leaving school” and “smoking weed” towards me, trying to say that it was the same thing.🤯 as joining ISIS.
No. Anyone who has actively made the choice (without being forced) to leave their country to join ISIS has given up their right to return. The state shouldn't even have to waste money on prosecuting and imprison these people. And women who have done this should not get a pass because they are women. The only exception should be children of these people, because they are the only innocent ones. So in my opinion, her child should be allowed to go to the UK to live with relatives if they choose to do so, but she shouldn't be allowed to return. I'm a pretty empathetic person, but I feel no pity for these women. They put themselves into that position, and the one from UK certainly didn't regret what she did.
@@columbusohio299 Yes, I thought about that as well. But it would be cruel and inhumane to punish a small child for the actions of their mother's. And you cannot punish someone who is innocent for something they may do in the future either. The child did nothing wrong, the child should be allowed to live with relatives. But as far as I am concerned, the mother should be left to fend for herself because it's her own fault she got involved.
Wait wait wait... "I wasn't allowed to go out and have fun with my friends, so I joined ISIS?" How...does...that...work?! That is a huge leap of logic!
Repressive parents raise impulsive children. It happens quite often actually with kids like her joining cults, gangs and apparently terrorist organizations. its fucked up.
@@DarqueChocoholic i dont think so, she is so suspicious im muslim and i know..even saudi arabia wont let her in ,she can travel anywhere and live freely far from her family and it is easier than going to ISIS .. i bet her family ashamed of her because she joined ISIS
@@DarqueChocoholic If THAT was, in her opinion, the ONLY way to escape an overbearing family, then she's far too stupid to be let back into the country in the first place, much less all of the terrorist shit that she's supported.
You leave a country to kill for a 'cause', you should not be permitted anywhere other than a cell or a very deep hole. Going 'home' when when you've had enough can't happen. This is life, not a game, and life has consequences.....
Noticed how the girl from London was sorry that the men of the families that where attacked lost their wives and daughters........seems like she's still very indoctrinated and would be a massive risk
dont know about that. She seems rather slow in the head so this might be down to being unable to articulate properly. Fact though, she had a hard time apologizing and she doesnt seem to grasp that it wasnt citizen who marched into the far east, but the governments, whether its for oil or the pathways. She is still sympathizing with the terrorists. I also dont know why she brings up women and children getting killed there. We know they are bad guys... smh
They are traitors, they are enemies of their states, by joining ISIS, they voluntarily renounced their citizenship and became traitors to their nations. They do not have a right to return, they have no right to citizenship, the only right they are entitled to is the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole.
She was sorry about the men losing their sons, brothers, fathers... Then she was sorry the men lost their women and daughters... Yeah, he def think women are owned by the men.
As far as the girls. Neither of them seemed genuine. I would expect totally different behaviors from them if they genuinely wanted to go back to their home countries and resume the culture and customs of that country. I don’t think they should be free. I do think they need to be seized and prosecuted.
As far as I am concerned, what they did can be proven to be treason, they went and aided and abetted the enemies of their own states, to even celebrating things like beheadings and mass murder of westerners. To them, I say fuck them, but let us not break international law and leave them stateless. Just take them back, charge them with treason, let them rot for life.
To me the (former) British ISIS woman is clearly unapologetic and even if she was she can still stay out of the UK, however the (former) American ISIS woman did seem sorry but is plainly "Playing the game" of media and PR to get her way back in the US. If they was both so easily brainwashed whats the odds on them still being brainwashed and quite simply doing their "job" to get back into their former countries to start the process up again to recruit others?
@@banhammer7243 I do NOT care if the girl is apologetic or not. She was born and raised in the UK. The UK has MADE HER. Trying to foist her off on another [poorer] government because the UK does not want to accept responsibility is wrong on so many levels. Australia has recently made someone stateless doing the same thing. An Australian man, Neil Prakash (born and raised in Australia) has recently had his citizenship revoked because his parents were Fijian and the Australian government thinks he is eligible to apply for Fijian citizenship despite the Fijian government firmly stating he is not. This reeks of rich nations trying to export THEIR home-made terrorists to poorer countries to deal with.
Glen Be she chose to join ISIS. that act is quite literally treason. imagine a US citizen just decided to up and join the nazis in world war 2. then, after working for the nazis for several years, decides that he wants to come back to America because the nazis are losing the war. we should just take him back? hell no, he betrayed his country to work for our enemies! let the fucker rot with his decision! Fuck ISIS!
About the ISIS women, I am struggling with the idea that two women, of about the same age, and at the same time were able to walk away from ISIS. With the way that ISIS views and treats women, I am having a difficult time understanding how not one, but two women, one with a child were not only able to successfully leave the Islamic State, but also are immediately put on national television, doing interviews, and begging to be let back in? It feels a lot to me like pandering to a digital audience, and outrage culture knowing there will be conflicting and polarizing opinions on whether or not these women should be allowed back into the countries that they committed acts of treason in. Something about this whole situation feels so very off to me. In regards to the family vloggers and RUclips's response. I am finding myself being pulled in a few different directions. In my opinion, monetized RUclips videos are products that are put out to be consumed, and the producer of the product is getting money for that product they are selling. So it is my opinion that the channel owners are responsible for the conduct that happens on their channel which includes comment sections. There are comment review filters available for channel owners to use and one could argue even job opportunities for RUclipsr's to hire people to their teams that can moderate comments similar to Twitch chat moderators. I also get pulled into a direction of asking why there are children so young on the platform at all. In the RUclips terms of service you must be over the age of 13 to accept the ToS and it explicitly states, "If you are under 13 years of age, then please do not use the Service. There are lots of other great web sites for you. Talk to your parents about what sites are appropriate for you." To me, if there is a child under 13 on this service openly, they should be banned, and they should not be in content if they are under 13 even with parental permission. Now this doesn't solve the problem of predators interested in older children but it does remove a lot of the content in question. This whole situation is tough but I think the answer lies in policy change not in outrage.
Rebecca Fox it’s because of the recent large push against ISIS, defeating them in those areas. It’s not really surprising or suspicious that they happened at the same time as they’re in the same camp
why r u underestimating them? it's not that super hard really ,u never heard "who seeks finds" well they seeked found another sympathizers worked with them and now that things got to "scary" wanna go back...i'm sorry but treason should not be tolerated
@Rebecca Fox, Agreed, on both counts. I'm also very suspicious of the women trying to come back from joining a terrorist group as if it was "just the kind of thing that teens do at that rebellious age". And the one that can't even seem to show any remorse is just a psychopath, plain and simple. The other one may be truly sorry but, regardless of her age when she left, her decision-making skills are insanely problematic, at best. Both should be imprisoned for life for treason no matter what their citizenship status. Neither can be trusted to any extent, under any circumstances.
Ms. (?) Fox.....very well said indeed. I believe that those girls could very well be trojan horses, meant to slip back in and generate sympathy for ISIS and Islam in general, in order to further weaken the already porcelain backbone of this country. Once you have WILLINGLY allied yourself with a known terrorist organization, then you must live (or die) with your decision and not expect clemency from those you betrayed. And I would never knowingly put my children on the internet, for the whole world to see and comment on, for any reason, much less a financial one.
That first girl from the ISIS fighter story, maybe let her in so she can be tried and sentence to life and treated as a terrorist. But that second girl should actually be thrown into the ocean, she can at least try harder to sound like she is sorry for all the lives she aided in taking. She actually sounds like she had a jolly good time in ISIS but only wants to come back because her husband died (fighting for ISIS and probably taking innocent lives). Legit saids she has no regrets until the death of her son...you know not when she was spreading anti-American/Western rhetoric or living as a part of a terrorist cell, but when things got hard. Just shows that she isn't sorry at all.
shes truly a sociopath and you can see she has no remorse for what shes done. and on top of all the horrible shit shes done she expects to be forgiven and taken back? her sense of entitlement pisses me off. life in prison is too nice for either of them. I hope the best for her kid tho.
That second girl i dont know she seems like something is wrong with her....but the first one we can just put her in Jail i guess...But that second girl OMG she doesnt care at all wtf...
At the very least why is nobody questioning her calling them 'family' videos but monetizing them? She's making a buck off her child is also exploitative.
These women left their countries, joined a hostile combatant and expressed a will for harm on their countries of origin.......no, good luck with that, you made your bed.
I think redemption and return should be on a case by case basis, but if she really wants a better life for her child she would give the child to her relatives in the UK and deal with her own situation. But no, she's using the poor thing as a ticket out of a shit hole life she created for herself. Not much sympathy, but as others have said this breeds a further divide to those attempting to leave ISIS because now no one will take you even if you honestly don't believe their bullshit. But the other girl, don't run off and join ISIS? Go do some cheap drugs and have casual sex to get back at a shitty religious upbringing not join a terrorist organization! XD
I feel bad for that woman's kid. They had no choice in the matter of their mothers choices. She made that choice but the kid did not. She dug her own grave but the kid deserves a chance
"I wanted to be more Americanized, with like friends n stuff. So I joined ISIS." Wtf are people actually mad this chick is not being allowed back here?
Look, it would be great if she wasn't a us citizen so with that and her actions they decided to reject her citizenship. The reason people are mad (mostly) is because she is a us citizen but they have just decided (because of her actions) that she wasnt a citizen, which is a lie. Thats a pretty serious violation. Now if this was in a vacuum id say wat ever who cares, but its not there is fair reasoning this time but it sets a dangerous precedent for possible future authoritarian presidents.
The ex-UK woman (Shamima) should not, and can not, be allowed back to the UK (her baby should either stay with her or given to her parents to raise). Not under any circumstances. If her family wants to be with her, they are more than welcome to move to Turkey (where she is now) or any other countries that she is allowed to reside or seek refuge in. I understand that she was only 15 when she was brainwashed into joining ISIL as a Jihadi wife, and I also understand that at that age, a young woman can easily be exploited to turn to extremism (of any religions). However, she showed and said no remorse/regret for the killings she witnessed personally or through her "husband". She said she understood why those people had to be killed, and she also admitted that it may be very difficult for her to be rehabilitated at this point in time. So why are the UK trying to let her back in, when she hasn't change a bit? If her parents want to forgive her, they can...they're her parents no matter what she did (and a girl should have the support of her family). But giving her citizenship back...letting her back into the UK? No. I do honestly feel bad for her past experiences, but not when she then goes and basically say "yea, they did inhumane things, but I understand and sympathise."
ye, i have a hard time sympathizing with her as well. Whether its because shes just dumb or still religious, which is the same thing really, there is no point to her mercy other than the PR value
She left when she was 15 no? Thats young enough to be groomed for sex but not for being groomed onto ISIS? Rather than leaving her in a camp with ex ISIS members (hence maybe why she doesnt want to say she disagrees with them), being her back and try her under the law
As far as the former isis members... They should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. Maybe not directly, but these women took part in the murder of so many individuals. Allowing them to roam free is giving them the ability to continue to radicalize other innocent human beings.
I think that for the British woman, but the American woman genuinly seemed disgusted by herself. While there should be rehabilitation of some sort, lessons taught, I do not think prison for the rest of her life is justified. People are indoctrinated into things, pushed in directions by their surroundings that lead them to go to extremes, yet they may feel like garbage for doing that even though they saw that as their only way out. She genuinly seemed remorseful and hoping to go back to normalcy. The british lady on the other hand, she does not seem to feel bad for her actions. I would go so far as to say she is dangerous. Life in prison may breed her anger or whatever she has further, but some sort of intense rehab and understandably some time in confinement seems reasonable.
That is what they are requesting! They want to return and stand trial for the wrong they did. It is also worth pointing out they didn't kill anyone themselves.
@@spideyplaysminecraft No, people are responsible and rational beings, and when they decide to join deathcults they can damn well live with the consequences. Why should anyone pay for 'intense rehab' for these monsters?
On that last one . . . I'm usually one to say everyone deserves a second chance . . . but not these two. Heartless as I sound, *not these two*. They were part of a terrorist organization. The *only* reason they should be allowed back in their respective countries is to face the charges for their crimes, and pay for them.
19:00 "I am sorry for all the people who lost husbands and sons and brothers, and all the men who lost THEIR women" That statement tells you everything you need to know about the worldview of this woman. She's sorry that men died and oh yeah she's also sorry they lost their female property.
Maybe its because I'm just a heartless bitch now but in regards to the two women now trying to escape the life they willing ran into, *bye* Just my view - they ran into a house on fire, added gasoline and then started screaming for someone to save them....
They were dumb teens who made really bad decisions at least the American one back she just wanted to escape an extremely strict family and made a desperate dumb decision that she now regrets, the Brit on the other hand I don't trust
@@nerdlingeeksly5192 I dont understand the American girls logic, she wants to live a more american life she says and instead escapes to join an anti american terrorist group
He goes to a D1 college for free with free room and board with one of the best coaches in basketball to train him....for free. He can afford 250 dollar sneakers.
the potential bad this ''ex'' isis member could do far outweighs the good, she decided to join their organization fully knowing what they stand for and practice, im sorry but she can go somewhere else, shes had plenty of time to be trained what to say and plan out her role, kinda sus how she addresses the u.s hoping shes not a threat as well. Shes getting interviewed by national news stations and speaking out against isis. So if she gets denied entry and has to stay over there your telling me isis isnt going to kill her if shes really how she claims to be? sus af i bet isis is smiling seeing them getting attention and possibly infiltrating america. And lastly you never hear about men trying to do this cause theyd have no chance of coming back, it really helps to have a woman be a spy or whatever, look what the russians did
I can see my door to my left while sitting at the computer. I have headphones on and I thought someone was behind me but saw no one come through my door!
on the isis fighter from england, she should only come back to face charges of treason and terrorism. her child should be given to a foster family and raised without that braniwashing, because that is what her family did. a major point about her family is that her father was found to have marched with and been known by one of the terrorists who viciously murdered and beheaded lee rigby, a british soldier, in the middle of the street in broad daylight. she has no remorse for what she did and only wants to come back to abuse the already overtaxed benefits system in england
If she returned what would happen is she would receive benefits and constant care from the state. I’m not willing to pay money in the know that it goes to her comfort in the society she wanted to destroy.
@@juandominguez8536 She could be very useful to us though. She was radicalised in Britain and it would be valuable to us to understand how and why that happened.
yeah.... that kitchen is filled with pedophiles, and in this case, I'm really glad it burned to the ground. Honestly parents shouldn't be able to make money off of their kids that can't consent to it either.
I don't think the isis fighters should be allowed back into the country. People make mistakes, bad decisions, and people can grow and change. But... I wouldn't consider joining Isis just a mistake or bad decision. Especially from the girl who "doesn't regret" it.
The only reason I would let them back is to lock the mothers away forever and take away the kids from them, put them in foster homes and hopefully, give them new families. Letting them stay with those remorseless mothers is a damn sure way to see them becoming terrorists in the future. Give it a few years.
It’s not about whether they should be let back in but about whether they have to be let back in. People have to be a citizen. If revoking a citizenship would result in being stateless, it can’t be done.
To join a terrorist sect is a crime. They should be brought to court for their crimes. If that ends up with them executed (Some US States) or in prison for life (Canada,)then so be it. Especially if they are not sorry for what they did! 'Having a good time there,' like are you kidding me >.< - Canada has been contemplating the return of ISIS members too for a few years. But I think the ability to revoke citizenship is a slippery slope and should be used rarely or not at all. These people are of our country whether we like it or not, and we should have to deal with them by bringing them to our courts!
just to stir the pot here... Hamas, is widely considered a terrorist organization. Do you also agree that Palestinians should be brought to court for their crimes? (I mean the hamas supporting palestinians)
Here's my two cents on this. I, as a mother, would be more concerned that I was creating thumbnails and content that pedophiles flock to than being mad that my video got demonotized. I would be more concerned about protecting my child. You can be outraged about how unfair it is all you want, but the reality is that's the world we live in today. Protecting my kids is my top concern. I dont want content out there that would attract pedos
Exactly! If you are made aware that pedophiles have been watching your children on content that you’ve produced why would monetization come before protecting children?
Depending on the channel, and the person uploading the video, many probably have auto generated thumbnails. The larger channels probably don't, but I'd bet many of the smaller ones do. Your point is still valid, and parents absolutely should protect their kids, but I wanted to mention this additional info to shed a little bit more light on the topic.
It's all about the money, sadly. I'm surprised the a mother would use her son to gain views. She had to have known that have a little boy, doing the splits, as a thumbnail would gain her videos attention from the wrong people. As a woman I know how unfair and messed up the world is but we still gotta protect ourselves and our kids.
I dunno about the comments tho....I mean people sarcastically joke around on youtube a lot. Can you imagine if we took the RUclips comment section seriously?? rofl..
I freaked out too, its 2am and im home alone, i genuinely had a heart attack hearing it. even scarier because im wearing my headphones so i thought it was behind me.
People shouldn't be monetizing on their children. If kids cannot work without a permit it should be the same for RUclips if monetization is at play. If your kid is 50 % of the video it shouldn't be making money with out a proper work permit for a child.
Seems to me if you've chosen to fight against your own country, you've made your choice. How do we know that the Alabama girl isn't trying to come back to try and commit some sort of attack? As for the British girl and her lack of regret, she should absolutely be banished.
Exactly...idk why she thinks she can just get back into the country, it is 100% deserved. Kills innocent people....fights with America as you said.... gets knocked up. “LeT Me iN PlZ”
They should bring her in, and put her in a jail for life while being watched over. Her child should just be given to a better family. All is good then. Also what the second girl said, pretty much revealing how she can get in another country, well she just fucked up that chance now for sure. Shows you that her stupidity that made her decide to go to Isis is still there even now, she's a danger in the open.
The fact that she said it was fun and that she wouldn't have met anyone like her husband back in the UK tells a great deal about her and that what she says is her motivation to come back might be misleading.
I want to say thank you Philip DeFranco for having really good caption on your videos. Because of inserts and jump cuts it's nearly impossible for me to lip read this style of video so I especially appreciate the captions.
Is anyone else suspicious about Shamima being held in the same camp as Hoda? And they both are seeking to go back to their home countries? Just seems too much like a coincidence to me...
Wutaii1 Nostalgia you forget all of this started because the news media attacked advertisers for advertising on videos of nazis or terrorist attacks(and other things). The news networks called for boycotts on these advertisers until RUclips “fixed” the system(starting the adpocalypse). So yes, advertisers are quick to jump ship. Because people blame them for what RUclips videos their ads appear on and boycott them.
@@rascal342 True but the slippery slope continues and I worry advertisers are trying to muscle youtube into policy changes that make the advertisers rich. I just cant see the future though....sucks
Don't normally comment, but damn Philly D team there is something about this episode that that just feel good maybe its just Phil with a touch extra charisma than usual or maybe the editing I have no clue but something about it just feels so quality. 1000% good job on the hard ass work your doing.
It's a shitload of "different futures". Like the future and past thing, and stuff like that. Also when he came back, and did the alien voice". Im high and I keep laughing. lmao
Two women commit treason against their governments, and then ask for mercy? This story is quite possibly one of the most heinous you’ve covered in a long time. I’m conflicted about whether I think expatriation is the right answer though, if they returned they could be imprisoned for the rest of their lives. Expatriation allows them the freedom to rejoin ISIS and continue harming others.
I think in the case of the first woman, we HAVE to think about the child above her. She should be charged in America as an American criminal - she seems ready to be imprisoned if it saves her boy - and her son should be adopted out.
I think the first girl should absolutely be allowed back, she expressed regret for joining isis and said she was brainwashed by them, and so isis will never allow her to rejoin, they would likely kill her first. The second girl is more complicated but I think if you are a born citizen you are a born citizen, I don’t think you can rightfully take that away.
Let's talk about these former ISIS women. Firstly you should all know that i am a Labour supporter from the UK and i am a very opinionated person. So. Let's take the joining part first. If we were to ask moast teenagers I'm the UK and US if they can name some attacks ISIS have done over the years I think that moast of them could and if not they could name some other terrorists organization. So are we to truly belive that these two teenage girls from two country's where catastrophic attacks have taken place didn't know that they were going and joining a terrorists organization? No. To be frank they have kind of already admitted that they knew what they were getting into. Now onto the elephant in the room. Should they be allowed into there respected countries? That is complicated. They have defiantly have the right to ask to come back in but we have know idea on how to get into ISIS. I don't know if you just go in and ask, they then give you a badge saying "I'm in ISIS" or if you have to sign various forms that make you revoke your citizenship for your place of birth. They joined a widely recognised terrorists organization and now want to come home. This US woman has said she is sorry but is that enough? The UK woman has basicly applied the "eye for and eye" logic and is not sorry for anything. Now this is completely against my normal political view but... and this applies more to the people of the UK... do we want this woman to come into our country after joining ISIS and having a chilled, to come and use up tax payers money using the NHS? Even if we are to put them in jail we still pay a tax for that. This isn't something that we can just let pass over. We need to set an example. If you leave to join a terrorist organisation then you don't get to come back after you "now realize that they are bad" We cannot let them back in. James.
@@Perceptionreflection Phil gives a far leaning left video clips... U need to watch full video of Young lady with child..basically what Reporter asks...What should be yur consequences be for America letting back in? Ohda says....wait for it..."THERAPY TO MAKE ME AND OTHER GIRLS NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE AGAIN" Ummmm, the girls and women are the new wave of suicide bombers leaving their children behind with no problem! Sad but too far gone with radicalization....I feel bad for the kid though....But u need to watch whole video of her
concerning that woman thinking she can get dutch citizenship, no way, im dutch myself it has been discussed in parliament and about 70% of the parliament is right winged and completely opposed to the idea of having any of the ISIS people return
If I knew creepers were looking at my kid in a sexual light, even if it was completely non-sexual activities, I would just stop posting videos of my kids. I feel like i'm crazy here?!?!?
Some people exploit their children for monetary gain, can't be surprised if they lack morals. I wouldn't put my kids in the limelight either, I don't think you're crazy at all. Edit: spelling
I tell people it's wrong, but it just seems to fall on deaf ears. Disabled comments won't stop creeps from downloading or screenshotting videos & selling or collecting them. There must be a modification to the policy to stop the 'family vlogger' loophole.
I am shocked about the ISIS articles. I listened to the New York Times 'The Daily' Podcast about these girls and they had me feeling nearly sympathetic. They gave a much different perspective and withheld many incriminating details I am sure they had access to. It is disappointing to see time and time again that an honest production that doesn't even self identify as a journalism company on RUclips can out-perform the most iconic name in News. This story is so complex and difficult. Great job researching all the backstory and legal headache!
If you choose a path of wrongdoing, then you take the hardships and pain with it. Joining ISIS in you own will, and then trying to come back, should not happen. You chose your path now live through it.
Gigi It’s not about morals or ethics. It’s about the law. People cannot be stateless. This is international law. Countries cannot revoke citizenship if it would result in statelessness. Even if these people are despicable, they are still protected under the law, just like every other human. Legally, the country has to let them in. They can then be tried and put in prison for as long as the country wants but they have to be let in. That’s the law
tryignan I understand but it is also a privilege to part an US citizen. If you choose to go against your homeland, the soil in which you walked on, to be with terrorists who are known to hurt our brothers and sisters of America, get the hell out. You ain’t welcome here anymore. She CHOSE to leave her home for a terrorist life. No one forced her. Now she wants back, but it’s too late. Also, if you want to be technical, her father was a diplomat when she was born here, meaning she ain’t no US citizen. Goodbye. Also, I’m Muslim born and raised in America all my life. Sooooooo, yeah. She should not come back and possibly cause havoc in my home. My country.
Although the colors and pattern of his shirt were corrupted during the time travel at 6:35, his hair appeared to be left untouched... I guess that's the power of the new Beautiful Bastard hair crap he released. Nice job Phil.
She thought "I want (more power and agency), I guess the only thing to do is (join the people fighting and taking territory in the name of my worldview)." Not saying I agree with it - *I don't* - but it does make sense when you look at it that way.
@@InsomniacXIIIas a woman, I would never expect to gain power by joining a cause that opresses women, especially if I felt oppressed by my parents who believe in the same laws. I guess we just see it differently, which is fine. Beauty of living in a free country.
@@madisonsara6012 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." 1st Timothy 2:11-12
Why don't advertisers understand that we aren't stupid? We know if we see their ad before an offensive video that they didn't specifically CHOOSE that video or condone it. They are so not Daddy, tbh
@@googleuser298 Sometimes, we can blame them for taking those attacks too seriously. Like when ABC cancelled Roseanne again, despite the Twitter outrage having no evident effect on the audience for that show. Or their other shows, for that matter.
That's not true, advertisers correctly understand that SOME of us aren't stupid. Keep in mind, this situation started because these advertisers were attacked for having ads on these videos. Some of us know better, but the rest are absolutely dumb, and addicted to lashing out.
@@googleuser298 Which I think is so stupid. They could easily include a disclaimer with ads that says "The views expressed in the accompanying video do not reflect the views of the advertisements company. Ads are run randomly in accordance with an algorithm" and be done with it. Donald Trump is a great example of how despite internet rage there are never any consequences. They're so afraid consumers will peace out but they won't, they'll rage for 2 minutes and move on. Chris Brown still has a career after beating the shit out of Rihanna because of this phenomenon.
I say they should lose any right to citizenship. They are both dishonest. The first girl is such a liar. She claims that she wanted to have a life of freedom and less restriction. Yet she joined a terrorist organization that had even more restriction on her life! Why when she was on that school trip did she not just run away to a different city, not get on a plane to Syria? I don’t buy it. They both should have their children taken away from them and be prosecuted. They are adults and should face consequences.
AmethystEyes I think what the first girl meant was that she was a living a very restricted and controlled life that the only way to live was become even more religious so she could cope with it. Eventually that led her down the rabbit hole of being brainwashed online that ISIS is right or whatever (she was a teenager back then hating life so she could be easily brainwashed). After years she had the chance to go join ISIS and so she took the opportunity. That’s what I understand from her story. So many people who join ISIS have similar stories like that and it’s sad because it’s all the parents fault. Now she’s going to go and raise her children the same way🤦🏻♀️ But yes they should he held accountable for their actions in the end and persecuted for what they did.
The situation with these two women seeking to return to their home countries seem like two very different people to me. Hoda strikes me as somebody who may potentially have been held in some degree of captivity, whereas Shamima strikes me as VERY much still indoctrinated to the ISIS cause. I think there has to be some kind of remorse, no matter who you are, for innocent people getting killed. Shamima didn’t seem to show any. When you’re trying to rationalize or trying to make it seem like the Manchester attacks were okay it shows a large disconnect from how that person values lives. There’s nothing just in seeing children senselessly killed. I feel like this may be a situation where the UN Crimes Court should get involved to determine if they had any direct involvements in loss of life. It’s also a question of if they’d be able to socially reintegrate into their native countries without persecution, or risk, to them or their children. Both seem like they’ll be treated as “enemy combatants” by their governments, which means their children will be parentless and put into a social services system. I don’t think that’s the answer.
Mackenzie Reeves I completely agree with you. Hoda seems to actually comprehend the gravity of the situation and also accept responsibility for her actions. She seemed to show remorse and regret without ‘victimizing’ herself- which to me is the kind of response from someone who is no longer brainwashed/indoctrinated. However, Shamimas response was frankly offensive. The exasperation in her voice when she was put on the spot for an apology was overwhelmingly disrespectful. And what she said was the “apology” of someone who doesn’t think they have done anything wrong. “I’m sorry but...” is not an apology. It felt to me like she either still has a lot of processing/reflecting to do before she can actually understand what she has done or like she still has ties to ISIS.
How do we know that these children are actually their biological kids. Maybe they took these children with them because they knew it would muddy the water and the left would come to their defence. I think DNA testing is required before any decision is taken.
Daniel Peters it May be better for the kid in this case since there is chance that the children themselves could be indoctrinated, but social services has been shown to fuck up and lead to child abuse for some kids. Not all cases, but enough to where it should be considered as a possibility. Also growing up without parents can really destabilize and mentality hurt kids.
You people do know that it's very easy to "act" sorry right? It's called lying. Hell even children can lie well enough to let the tears flow and act like they did a terrible thing and that they are sorry even when they are not. As far as I'm concerned these people are still terrorists and should be executed for treason.
*The ppl who went to support ISIS even though they MIGHT not have killed directly are also responsible* . Isn't it naive to think they didn't do anything while being there? They just sat doing nothing when they believed in their terrorist ideology? I think both should be taken back and made an example out of by jailing them for life or sentencing them to death the same way victims most likely were cause it seems some don't wanna pay taxes for them. But the thing is.. There has to be justice for the victims and death is the easy way out for them considering they believe they will be rewarded after death. And we also can't leave them to raise the children, cause they will end up teach them to hate and antagonize the west and non muslims, which is pretty much making another generation of potential terrorists. The children should be given a chance for a normal happy life and put it in an unrelated family so it won't be corrupted by relatives. There needs to be some form of justice. You can clearly see that none of them are apologetic. The second girl even looked disgusted at the thought of apologizing! She and the other one need to be in jail.
but by your logic any tax payer who voted for the government that authorized a bombing campaign that killed any civilian in a war zone would be equally responsible for that death as the one who dropped the bomb or ordered it. So should we all be facing trails for murder?
But I dont want my taxes paying for these women who, in your suggestion, be in jail for life. Yeah they are in jail but they get treated better then the elderly in retirement homes and the sick/disabled.
Chair At least we’d know where they were and what they were up to if they came back home to life in prison. Better than leaving them out in the world to possibly change their minds again.
Unfortunately it is VERY expensive to imprison someone in the USA, especially for life. Why should you provide their food and shelter when they made the choice to betray their country? I say they made their beds when they chose to join terrorists. Leave them there, it was their own choice.
I thought this same thing when children started making asmr videos. I get that it's meant to be innocent, but sick people will twist anything for their desires.
I feel like it depends. I’m currently pregnant and I watch tons of channels that have small children in them (infants mostly) because the parents make the videos to help other parents/parents to be. This will be my first kid and those videos have helped me more than any book can because it shows an actual person’s experience with their child. There are times when it can go to far, such as when the video becomes more important than the child. But not every channel that has videos involving children is the same.
If you only care for your little son doing gymnastics, let him do that. Not getting any money for it (probably 99% of people dont) wont prevent you and your son to have fun.
I can't wait to u have children cause basically if yur kids r in gymnastics u would want to show their talent on thumbnail! Yur mind and people in this thread minds are in the gutter! Yur as bad as the guys that are looking at the vids for the reason. Tell me the difference.....
My understanding is that citizens of the US cannot legally be denied reentry. This is also a textbook case of treason per Article III, Section 3 ("levying War against [the US], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"), so she should be brought back and prosecuted for treason.
There is a reason why the higher ups didn't give them citizenship in the first place and doing what you said. Prison is the breeding ground of isis troops.
Thank god for Phil. I love the way he looks at things from a very moderate place. He looks at things with a sense of reason. Only being outraged by things that are properly outrageous. and trying to see both sides of everything. Kudos my dude
@@SupChad735 even if we put them in prison, it costs money to keep them there. And considering their past, they would need to invest more money to keep them safe from other prisoners
Well, if depending on your own personal ethics. Do people need to care about a person's will to survive? Or we can completely ignore depending on who that person is?
@@francestod.tandocjr4092 pretty sure if they aided a terrorist organization and the murder of whole segments of certain populations, without any real remorse, no one's going to gaf. They believe in terrorist ideology and participated willingly. Infact, that could technically get you for felony murder because they were married to men, and we're involved with people, who most likely murdered other people. Felony murder could get you the death penalty in some places in America. Not to mention the penalties theyre facing for crimes against their countries. So is there really a difference? I'm sure they're much better off in where they betrayed the United States and the UK to go, than if they were to go back and face life in prision and what not.
Francis Tandoc It’s not even personal ethics, it should be universal ethics. They completely abandoned their morals by committing treason and joining terrorist organization who do the unspeakable. People like them are psychopaths and deserve to rot in the filth they built.
@@BelladonnaBates What if both of them didn't directly committed murder is it still justified? Also I like to know your view on what scale that a person need to be until she or he is classified as terrorist? Does supporting a terrorist group by propaganda count?
Potentially unpopular opinion: I understand why Jessica's videos might be getting auto-dominitized when she has multiple thumbnails of her child doing the splits. I'm not saying she's exploiting her son, but I am saying that RUclips can only do so well with it's current algorithm and a similar thumbnail with bad intentions could be disgusting clickbait for people who are searching for that kind of content.
Agreed. It's not as if her videos were unrelated to the issue, even if her intention isnt making money from Ps. It was related in that's something they were searching. Though, I'm personally against people using their children to make money, regardless of intent so I'm biased. Those videos were not removed, just demonetized because they shared a similar theme. Ive been getting ads all over youtube, so... so far things don't seem horrible for content unrelated to minors.
right!?!? It's not like they don't know the kind of creeps out there making those comments and what they are looking for, it's like she's doing it on purpose. I find it creepy that parents are making money off of their kids in the first place from videos.
That’s problematic for you to think of that. For one their audience is children and families. My sister is a cheerleader and she likes to watch their videos and relates to her oldest. It’s takes a sick individual to sexualize children, period. That’s not right and has nothing to do with them. Your argument would be valid if she wasn’t doing a sport that required it, or she was doing it for “look my child can do spilts for no reason”.
I’m glad to find a comment that’s substantive and not just calling him “daddy”. So to the topic at hand, I had a similar reaction to those videos too. It just feels a little, I don’t know, wrong to monetize videos of your kids doing anything really. I guess to be honest I don’t really know much about monetized RUclips vids or how it works. And certainly an algorithm can only do so much and those thumbnails were pretty on target for what something like that would have to be designed to look for.
Lil Can omg yes!! I was hoping that someone was going to say something in the comment section. I was tweaking. I have headphones on so I thought there was someone in my room. Thank god!
Melissa Sun ISIS is obviously fuqd up. But lets not pretend the US hasn’t bombed hospitals and schools. Sure, you could claim it wasn’t intentional, however after being responsible for thousands of civilian casualties and helping arm and get ISIS into power in the first place, does intent justify ignoring the result?
@@majorevangelism I hearken back to the end of WW2, Japan decimated by 2 nuclear bombs, defeated, and Occupied by the US. The United States stayed there for 7 years and set up infrastructure told them how to be successful and by the 1980's they were the 3rd largest economy in the world, all because they listened to what they were told. Now return 15 years ago, Iraq decimated, defeated, and occupied yet again the US builds Infrastructure, tells them how to be successful, yet they took that fresh start and threw it away, now look at them. They did every bit of this shit to themselves. Although less extreme of a transformation, look a Germany occupied by US and other European nations (West side)for 10 years, now look at them, 4th largest economy in the world (and we only rebuilt half of it(West side))and the cherry on the top the US occupied portion is the wealthiest part of Germany. War is War, innocent people die, if you are on the losing side it truly sucks, but unlike every other empire the world has ever seen the US not only rebuilds the defeated countries but also tries to set them up for success and then proceeds to leave them alone. Only ever exerting the same power that any other country has over any other.
the kid doesn't deserve to suffer but the mother has some serious gall to ask to return to america after fighting for a group that's trying to destroy the western world i feel no sympathy for her whatsoever your excuses ring hollow most people who commit horrible crimes were abused or had rough upbringings that's no reason to let them go unpunished
Why not just keep some of this stuff private? like I get if you want to share your kid doing gymnastics among your friend group or with your parents or with your family, but why do you need to show it to the entire world? I guess I just think some things should be kept private, not for any other reason then why is it anyone else's business what your son is doing in gymnastics? Not hating on anybody, or trying to bring anybody down, I guess as a private person myself I don't get how much sharing is going on in the world.
Nike uses what’s essentially slave labor in 3rd world countries. I wish this would be brought up more often. If Nike stock suffers for whatever reason it’s a good thing, although I wish it was for that reason
Neither of those isis agents seemed remorseful or anything, the second girl just seemed .... I don’t know, just not legit, you knew well enough what isis was before joining it, and yes sweetheart you did do harm by association, you supported them. They need to be punished not welcomed back with open arms, sorry but not sorry too easy to have them as internal agents for isis if welcomed back.
BIO BOI SHOW TIME. Okay but also... here's some timecodes. :P
Memes (00:21), RUclips Updates (1:14), Zion & Nike (6:36), TIA (11:55), Women Denied CItizenship (13:40)
Phill me in Zaddy?? Lol
Phil me up daddy de franco :)
Thanks Phil 🙃
So why isn't anyone asking the obvious question; "Why are you slimy, opportunistic creeper parents monetizing your child's pointless gymnastics videos?" 2019 Pageant Parents or sexual exploitation in the guise of Tiger Moming?
What the hell is that noise at 13:54 ? Scared the crap out of me.
The second girl, there's something to be said. You can see it that she's not even remotely apologetic.
You made the choice, you live it.
I think the problem is that it sets a terrible precedent, it would be better to give them citizenship and send them to jail (taking her child into adoption agencies. When they deny her access, she will never give them her child, therefore entering a horrible Life for an innocent kid, and she will have further reason to go back into ISIS. I too think she should go f herself and have to live with the stupid decisions she made, but by denying her citizenship (for the some purpose of locking her up) it sets a terrible precedent for the future and would lead to a terrible life for her innocent child.
In my opinion though, her child was born when she was a British citizen. Her child isn't at fault and shouldn't grow up to be stateless. The UK should grant citizenship to the child and put it for adoption
Luiz Matthew I’m pretty sure the kid is still considered a UK citizen, that being said it would be a complicated situation to try and get her child to the UK. It’s just a bad situation in general
The first girl just seems stupid, the second one seems like "Plan A failed, better try to weasel my way back"
@@luizmatthew1019 it's clear the child is at fault, but there's no way that she'd give her child away to adoption services if she was rejected by the country, for the good of the child I think the UK has to provide the woman citizenship
What I did at 15
- English
- Smoked alittle weed
- Math
- Not join ISIS
- Science
Justin Leiser so school and just a lil weed, sounds normal.
@@Laura-Yu yup, lol
Lmao, someone actually used the argument of “leaving school” and “smoking weed” towards me, trying to say that it was the same thing.🤯 as joining ISIS.
@@Cronkl_ yeah that's crazy talk. That's like someone saying rape and Jay walking is the same thing.😂
@@Cronkl_ well they dont usually go to school and smoking is a norm for them lol
"My parents wouldn't let me be a teenager and hang out with my friends! So, naturally, I joined ISIS"
Next, on Dr Phil.
*FBI OPEN UP*
helps kill a bunch of people IM SOWY bats eye lids
Their country's didn't abandon them they abandon their country's first so I feel they should have no right to be allowed back
Where to send them then?
@@ialicat9074 I guess just leaving them there.
same.
But they were brainwashed children however at the end of the day their actions have consequences.
@@ialicat9074 To hell with a firing squad
No. Anyone who has actively made the choice (without being forced) to leave their country to join ISIS has given up their right to return. The state shouldn't even have to waste money on prosecuting and imprison these people. And women who have done this should not get a pass because they are women. The only exception should be children of these people, because they are the only innocent ones. So in my opinion, her child should be allowed to go to the UK to live with relatives if they choose to do so, but she shouldn't be allowed to return.
I'm a pretty empathetic person, but I feel no pity for these women. They put themselves into that position, and the one from UK certainly didn't regret what she did.
Yep, my thoughts as well
Grats to those 2 women, they seem to be bridging the right and left. No one wants them back. Agree on the kid though.
@@columbusohio299 I'm thinking it's probably better than growing up in a warzone
@@columbusohio299 It's an option that I don't agree with, but an option nonetheless. Personally, I think the kid is Syria's problem too.
@@columbusohio299 Yes, I thought about that as well. But it would be cruel and inhumane to punish a small child for the actions of their mother's. And you cannot punish someone who is innocent for something they may do in the future either. The child did nothing wrong, the child should be allowed to live with relatives. But as far as I am concerned, the mother should be left to fend for herself because it's her own fault she got involved.
When you join ISIS but they start losing
**Change Teams**
Let me in! *LET ME IIIIIIIINNN*
You and Nikkity. xD I actually ROFLd. :P
“1 on me, 1 on me... I’m downed. Revive-revive... REVIVE.”
😂When were they winning?
Wait wait wait... "I wasn't allowed to go out and have fun with my friends, so I joined ISIS?"
How...does...that...work?! That is a huge leap of logic!
I gessing she might have saw it as the only way available to scape an overbearing family?
Stupidly she probably thought she could trade her family for another one... Wrong Choice
Repressive parents raise impulsive children. It happens quite often actually with kids like her joining cults, gangs and apparently terrorist organizations. its fucked up.
@@DarqueChocoholic i dont think so, she is so suspicious im muslim and i know..even saudi arabia wont let her in ,she can travel anywhere and live freely far from her family and it is easier than going to ISIS .. i bet her family ashamed of her because she joined ISIS
@@DarqueChocoholic If THAT was, in her opinion, the ONLY way to escape an overbearing family, then she's far too stupid to be let back into the country in the first place, much less all of the terrorist shit that she's supported.
You leave a country to kill for a 'cause', you should not be permitted anywhere other than a cell or a very deep hole. Going 'home' when when you've had enough can't happen. This is life, not a game, and life has consequences.....
if you're apology starts out with "ok yeah fine" it isn't geniune
Not to mention she only apologized to men
Noticed how the girl from London was sorry that the men of the families that where attacked lost their wives and daughters........seems like she's still very indoctrinated and would be a massive risk
You don't get unbrainwashed over a long weekend
dont know about that. She seems rather slow in the head so this might be down to being unable to articulate properly. Fact though, she had a hard time apologizing and she doesnt seem to grasp that it wasnt citizen who marched into the far east, but the governments, whether its for oil or the pathways. She is still sympathizing with the terrorists. I also dont know why she brings up women and children getting killed there. We know they are bad guys... smh
fetB Not slow, just extremely indifferent. Because she seemed to articulate just fine.
They are traitors, they are enemies of their states, by joining ISIS, they voluntarily renounced their citizenship and became traitors to their nations. They do not have a right to return, they have no right to citizenship, the only right they are entitled to is the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole.
She was sorry about the men losing their sons, brothers, fathers... Then she was sorry the men lost their women and daughters... Yeah, he def think women are owned by the men.
The clapping was the 👏🏽 best 👏🏽 transition 👏🏽 ever. I couldn’t stop laughing lol
"Take that trash somewhere else." Couldn't have said it any better myself.
"It was fun til we started losing."
"Once it got hard" What did she expect? You're moving into a war zone. Play with fire and you get burned.
Sexy John Candy lmfao!!!
Literally what the NAZI's said in ww2
No backsies
"No take backsies, partner": drunk Ann Perkins
As far as the girls. Neither of them seemed genuine. I would expect totally different behaviors from them if they genuinely wanted to go back to their home countries and resume the culture and customs of that country. I don’t think they should be free. I do think they need to be seized and prosecuted.
As far as I am concerned, what they did can be proven to be treason, they went and aided and abetted the enemies of their own states, to even celebrating things like beheadings and mass murder of westerners. To them, I say fuck them, but let us not break international law and leave them stateless. Just take them back, charge them with treason, let them rot for life.
To me the (former) British ISIS woman is clearly unapologetic and even if she was she can still stay out of the UK, however the (former) American ISIS woman did seem sorry but is plainly "Playing the game" of media and PR to get her way back in the US. If they was both so easily brainwashed whats the odds on them still being brainwashed and quite simply doing their "job" to get back into their former countries to start the process up again to recruit others?
@@banhammer7243 I do NOT care if the girl is apologetic or not. She was born and raised in the UK. The UK has MADE HER. Trying to foist her off on another [poorer] government because the UK does not want to accept responsibility is wrong on so many levels. Australia has recently made someone stateless doing the same thing. An Australian man, Neil Prakash (born and raised in Australia) has recently had his citizenship revoked because his parents were Fijian and the Australian government thinks he is eligible to apply for Fijian citizenship despite the Fijian government firmly stating he is not. This reeks of rich nations trying to export THEIR home-made terrorists to poorer countries to deal with.
Glen Be she chose to join ISIS. that act is quite literally treason. imagine a US citizen just decided to up and join the nazis in world war 2. then, after working for the nazis for several years, decides that he wants to come back to America because the nazis are losing the war. we should just take him back? hell no, he betrayed his country to work for our enemies! let the fucker rot with his decision! Fuck ISIS!
lmao it's not even that hard to fake an apology sis. If Laura Lee can do it, so can you. #tea
I honestly loved how the British interviewer grilled her. No mercy from him 👏
About the ISIS women, I am struggling with the idea that two women, of about the same age, and at the same time were able to walk away from ISIS. With the way that ISIS views and treats women, I am having a difficult time understanding how not one, but two women, one with a child were not only able to successfully leave the Islamic State, but also are immediately put on national television, doing interviews, and begging to be let back in? It feels a lot to me like pandering to a digital audience, and outrage culture knowing there will be conflicting and polarizing opinions on whether or not these women should be allowed back into the countries that they committed acts of treason in. Something about this whole situation feels so very off to me.
In regards to the family vloggers and RUclips's response. I am finding myself being pulled in a few different directions. In my opinion, monetized RUclips videos are products that are put out to be consumed, and the producer of the product is getting money for that product they are selling. So it is my opinion that the channel owners are responsible for the conduct that happens on their channel which includes comment sections. There are comment review filters available for channel owners to use and one could argue even job opportunities for RUclipsr's to hire people to their teams that can moderate comments similar to Twitch chat moderators.
I also get pulled into a direction of asking why there are children so young on the platform at all. In the RUclips terms of service you must be over the age of 13 to accept the ToS and it explicitly states, "If you are under 13 years of age, then please do not use the Service. There are lots of other great web sites for you. Talk to your parents about what sites are appropriate for you." To me, if there is a child under 13 on this service openly, they should be banned, and they should not be in content if they are under 13 even with parental permission. Now this doesn't solve the problem of predators interested in older children but it does remove a lot of the content in question. This whole situation is tough but I think the answer lies in policy change not in outrage.
Rebecca Fox it’s because of the recent large push against ISIS, defeating them in those areas. It’s not really surprising or suspicious that they happened at the same time as they’re in the same camp
I do have a slight suspicion that they were let go so they could go home and recruit new isis soldiers.
why r u underestimating them? it's not that super hard really ,u never heard "who seeks finds" well they seeked found another sympathizers worked with them and now that things got to "scary" wanna go back...i'm sorry but treason should not be tolerated
@Rebecca Fox, Agreed, on both counts. I'm also very suspicious of the women trying to come back from joining a terrorist group as if it was "just the kind of thing that teens do at that rebellious age". And the one that can't even seem to show any remorse is just a psychopath, plain and simple. The other one may be truly sorry but, regardless of her age when she left, her decision-making skills are insanely problematic, at best. Both should be imprisoned for life for treason no matter what their citizenship status. Neither can be trusted to any extent, under any circumstances.
Ms. (?) Fox.....very well said indeed. I believe that those girls could very well be trojan horses, meant to slip back in and generate sympathy for ISIS and Islam in general, in order to further weaken the already porcelain backbone of this country. Once you have WILLINGLY allied yourself with a known terrorist organization, then you must live (or die) with your decision and not expect clemency from those you betrayed. And I would never knowingly put my children on the internet, for the whole world to see and comment on, for any reason, much less a financial one.
That first girl from the ISIS fighter story, maybe let her in so she can be tried and sentence to life and treated as a terrorist. But that second girl should actually be thrown into the ocean, she can at least try harder to sound like she is sorry for all the lives she aided in taking. She actually sounds like she had a jolly good time in ISIS but only wants to come back because her husband died (fighting for ISIS and probably taking innocent lives). Legit saids she has no regrets until the death of her son...you know not when she was spreading anti-American/Western rhetoric or living as a part of a terrorist cell, but when things got hard. Just shows that she isn't sorry at all.
Why waste time and money on jailing? Rope is much cheaper.
I say send them to Guantánamo Bay
She's not American Obama's state department already denied her
@@butthz8850 actually a shotgun slug is cheaper than rope!
shes truly a sociopath and you can see she has no remorse for what shes done. and on top of all the horrible shit shes done she expects to be forgiven and taken back? her sense of entitlement pisses me off. life in prison is too nice for either of them. I hope the best for her kid tho.
I don’t know about the first girl, but the second one didn’t even TRY to show remorse.
Charge them with treason, see if they want to come back then.
@@jrfjosh By that logic U.S. Armed forces should be tried for treason since they provided weapons to Al Qaeda to fight ISIS in Syria.
Lord Escanor 🙄
_Like sorry, about those kids that died or whatever. I know they did nothing wrong, but neither did I. I'm the real victim here._
Yeah, she rolls her eyes then goes, "Okay I'm sorry".
That second girl i dont know she seems like something is wrong with her....but the first one we can just put her in Jail i guess...But that second girl OMG she doesnt care at all wtf...
Unpopular opinion: people should not be putting their kids on RUclips period.
Agreed
I agree.
Including pictures & videos on social media in general.
It shouldn’t be there.
100% agreed.
At the very least why is nobody questioning her calling them 'family' videos but monetizing them? She's making a buck off her child is also exploitative.
YES. THANK YOU.
These women left their countries, joined a hostile combatant and expressed a will for harm on their countries of origin.......no, good luck with that, you made your bed.
I think redemption and return should be on a case by case basis, but if she really wants a better life for her child she would give the child to her relatives in the UK and deal with her own situation. But no, she's using the poor thing as a ticket out of a shit hole life she created for herself. Not much sympathy, but as others have said this breeds a further divide to those attempting to leave ISIS because now no one will take you even if you honestly don't believe their bullshit.
But the other girl, don't run off and join ISIS? Go do some cheap drugs and have casual sex to get back at a shitty religious upbringing not join a terrorist organization! XD
I feel bad for that woman's kid. They had no choice in the matter of their mothers choices. She made that choice but the kid did not. She dug her own grave but the kid deserves a chance
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I'm just up voting becuz endermen
Nervously looks at the giant youtube logo in the sky "SeE iTs ADverTiSER fRIenDlY"
"I wanted to be more Americanized, with like friends n stuff. So I joined ISIS."
Wtf are people actually mad this chick is not being allowed back here?
Look, it would be great if she wasn't a us citizen so with that and her actions they decided to reject her citizenship. The reason people are mad (mostly) is because she is a us citizen but they have just decided (because of her actions) that she wasnt a citizen, which is a lie. Thats a pretty serious violation. Now if this was in a vacuum id say wat ever who cares, but its not there is fair reasoning this time but it sets a dangerous precedent for possible future authoritarian presidents.
Well idt anyone is having strong feelings about it. The fact that she is muslim also doest have anything to do with it.
@Blank lmao
Keep in mind, she was a teenager. In that context, I can imagine she was naive at that time. But we don't know.
I think they want her back so she can go to prison and be charged
i seriously laughed out loud at the jump cut @ 6:35
It’s time travel, hater. :)
Black Mirror vibes
swooooooooooooooooooooooooozie
@sWooZie learn how to time travel and film a live action story time!
Philip DeFranco sWooZie this made my day
Lol what's that noise 13:54!?!?!?!?!? Daddi Defranco whatchu doin xD
Oh ok I'm not the only one that heard that 😧 scared me.
Convinced it was a sheep
👻👻👻
It scared the shit out of me and I thought someone was in my apartment...
I locked my door after that.
The ex-UK woman (Shamima) should not, and can not, be allowed back to the UK (her baby should either stay with her or given to her parents to raise). Not under any circumstances. If her family wants to be with her, they are more than welcome to move to Turkey (where she is now) or any other countries that she is allowed to reside or seek refuge in. I understand that she was only 15 when she was brainwashed into joining ISIL as a Jihadi wife, and I also understand that at that age, a young woman can easily be exploited to turn to extremism (of any religions). However, she showed and said no remorse/regret for the killings she witnessed personally or through her "husband". She said she understood why those people had to be killed, and she also admitted that it may be very difficult for her to be rehabilitated at this point in time. So why are the UK trying to let her back in, when she hasn't change a bit?
If her parents want to forgive her, they can...they're her parents no matter what she did (and a girl should have the support of her family). But giving her citizenship back...letting her back into the UK? No. I do honestly feel bad for her past experiences, but not when she then goes and basically say "yea, they did inhumane things, but I understand and sympathise."
I though she was on a refugee camp near iran
@@nick26442 She's in a Syrian camp at the moment, but near the border to Turkey (I believe she was in Turkey for a while after she escaped).
ye, i have a hard time sympathizing with her as well. Whether its because shes just dumb or still religious, which is the same thing really, there is no point to her mercy other than the PR value
She left when she was 15 no? Thats young enough to be groomed for sex but not for being groomed onto ISIS? Rather than leaving her in a camp with ex ISIS members (hence maybe why she doesnt want to say she disagrees with them), being her back and try her under the law
Did Defranco just low key host a meme review in the first couple minutes?
As far as the former isis members...
They should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. Maybe not directly, but these women took part in the murder of so many individuals. Allowing them to roam free is giving them the ability to continue to radicalize other innocent human beings.
I think that for the British woman, but the American woman genuinly seemed disgusted by herself. While there should be rehabilitation of some sort, lessons taught, I do not think prison for the rest of her life is justified. People are indoctrinated into things, pushed in directions by their surroundings that lead them to go to extremes, yet they may feel like garbage for doing that even though they saw that as their only way out. She genuinly seemed remorseful and hoping to go back to normalcy. The british lady on the other hand, she does not seem to feel bad for her actions. I would go so far as to say she is dangerous. Life in prison may breed her anger or whatever she has further, but some sort of intense rehab and understandably some time in confinement seems reasonable.
That is what they are requesting! They want to return and stand trial for the wrong they did. It is also worth pointing out they didn't kill anyone themselves.
@@spideyplaysminecraft No, people are responsible and rational beings, and when they decide to join deathcults they can damn well live with the consequences. Why should anyone pay for 'intense rehab' for these monsters?
Oops , wrong thread
I’m not sure... we all do stupid things in our late teens. We’re highly impressionable and will transform our identities to fit in.
On that last one . . . I'm usually one to say everyone deserves a second chance . . . but not these two. Heartless as I sound, *not these two*. They were part of a terrorist organization. The *only* reason they should be allowed back in their respective countries is to face the charges for their crimes, and pay for them.
yeah put the burden on taxpayers! Nah, send em back to syria to meet their fate
Well that's exactly why it would be cowardly not to take her back and deal with her within our court system
Wait so bad comments will get your videos demonetized?
*goes to T-Series*
Doing your part
Salute
Just don't tell them that you were inspired by Philly D
@@canles luckily I didn't learn about this from Philly
200 iq
Thanks for the great video daddy
Scrolled down to see this comment as soon as he said it
I love the internet it's awesome and good in the end no matter what anyone says
Phil: please do not call me daddy
All of us: let's just jump into it
philly d kills memes
No that's pewdiepie
Btw love your channel!
Oh shit it's wild spartanz
make good content
YOUR A BALOOGA WHALE
Go drink your boomer juice boomer
19:00 "I am sorry for all the people who lost husbands and sons and brothers, and all the men who lost THEIR women"
That statement tells you everything you need to know about the worldview of this woman. She's sorry that men died and oh yeah she's also sorry they lost their female property.
I think that's a stretch it's more like she views those who died as still being on the "other" side
When you see yourself becoming a meme...
...
"Let's just jump into it."
Maybe its because I'm just a heartless bitch now but in regards to the two women now trying to escape the life they willing ran into, *bye*
Just my view - they ran into a house on fire, added gasoline and then started screaming for someone to save them....
Good analogy, agree 100%
Well you never know what brought her there, you have some very naive, shallow and ignorant poeple out there who are easily brainwashed.
They were dumb teens who made really bad decisions at least the American one back she just wanted to escape an extremely strict family and made a desperate dumb decision that she now regrets, the Brit on the other hand I don't trust
When you talk about Isis members, just know you are no where near heartless than them
@@nerdlingeeksly5192 I dont understand the American girls logic, she wants to live a more american life she says and instead escapes to join an anti american terrorist group
if the NCAA paid their players Zion wouldn't have been playing in worn out sneakers. And that's the tea.
Who really cares about his shoes? Honestly
He goes to a D1 college for free with free room and board with one of the best coaches in basketball to train him....for free. He can afford 250 dollar sneakers.
Im pretty sure they get shoes free and probably there entire bball attire.
@@brianvincent7038 you can't be serious... they treat those kids like shit
It wouldnt have matter as he was a part of a team that was cobtractually obligated to wear Nikes
the potential bad this ''ex'' isis member could do far outweighs the good, she decided to join their organization fully knowing what they stand for and practice, im sorry but she can go somewhere else, shes had plenty of time to be trained what to say and plan out her role, kinda sus how she addresses the u.s hoping shes not a threat as well. Shes getting interviewed by national news stations and speaking out against isis. So if she gets denied entry and has to stay over there your telling me isis isnt going to kill her if shes really how she claims to be? sus af i bet isis is smiling seeing them getting attention and possibly infiltrating america. And lastly you never hear about men trying to do this cause theyd have no chance of coming back, it really helps to have a woman be a spy or whatever, look what the russians did
and how tf do we really know shes who she claims to be? isis coulve easily captured and killed the person she might be posing as
r/pussypassport denied
Snowflake #1: "I want to come back! I messed up!"
Snowflake #2: "I was having a grand ole time, then it got hard. Let me back in!"
Seriously???
Did we just get Elon Musk, Justin Roiland, and Philip DeFranco doing meme reviews all in one day?
T gae
No, please. Elon was fine, Just Soyland was boring, Shilly D will just make it into a progressive meme review.
Nino1911Brown they were both great, the “get off my lawn comment” was brilliant.
Do you wanna break the internet?? CAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU BREAK THE INTERNET.
@Oh Yeah Yeah pewds is 30k ahead now
13:54 what's that noise in the background????
ROLL TIDE
I went to the door to check if someone was calling me.
Hell, I thought it was my room mate calling out to me because I snickered at Phil's comment about the demonetization.
It scared the shit out of me
I can see my door to my left while sitting at the computer. I have headphones on and I thought someone was behind me but saw no one come through my door!
on the isis fighter from england, she should only come back to face charges of treason and terrorism. her child should be given to a foster family and raised without that braniwashing, because that is what her family did. a major point about her family is that her father was found to have marched with and been known by one of the terrorists who viciously murdered and beheaded lee rigby, a british soldier, in the middle of the street in broad daylight. she has no remorse for what she did and only wants to come back to abuse the already overtaxed benefits system in england
BKR9899 brits shouldn’t foot the bill to keep her alive
Just leave her. Garbage will always be garbage.
If she returned what would happen is she would receive benefits and constant care from the state. I’m not willing to pay money in the know that it goes to her comfort in the society she wanted to destroy.
@@juandominguez8536 She could be very useful to us though. She was radicalised in Britain and it would be valuable to us to understand how and why that happened.
As an American i think that the traitor from America should be sent to Florida. Death Penalty seems fair enough.
Okay first they were planning to disable dislikes, now comments. What's next? Videos?
Knock on wood
l mean, sorta. They are already banning a lot of accounts they don’t like.
People: Hey your kitchen is a bit dirty. You should probably clean that.
RUclips: Oh my. You’re right.
*Burns down the house*
yeah.... that kitchen is filled with pedophiles, and in this case, I'm really glad it burned to the ground. Honestly parents shouldn't be able to make money off of their kids that can't consent to it either.
@@animeking213 If they don't all die, then you didn't lock them in properly.
J0ECRAWF15H you can't lock them in RUclips?
@@animeking213 don't try to reason with stupid, it just leads to more stupid.
Kids + internet = always a bad combination.
I don't think the isis fighters should be allowed back into the country. People make mistakes, bad decisions, and people can grow and change. But... I wouldn't consider joining Isis just a mistake or bad decision. Especially from the girl who "doesn't regret" it.
The only reason I would let them back is to lock the mothers away forever and take away the kids from them, put them in foster homes and hopefully, give them new families.
Letting them stay with those remorseless mothers is a damn sure way to see them becoming terrorists in the future. Give it a few years.
@@atropabelladonna3120 You're not wrong.
It’s not about whether they should be let back in but about whether they have to be let back in. People have to be a citizen. If revoking a citizenship would result in being stateless, it can’t be done.
To join a terrorist sect is a crime. They should be brought to court for their crimes. If that ends up with them executed (Some US States) or in prison for life (Canada,)then so be it. Especially if they are not sorry for what they did! 'Having a good time there,' like are you kidding me >.< - Canada has been contemplating the return of ISIS members too for a few years. But I think the ability to revoke citizenship is a slippery slope and should be used rarely or not at all. These people are of our country whether we like it or not, and we should have to deal with them by bringing them to our courts!
sentence them and let them do their time in the countries they came from. western prisons are a day in the spa compared to eastern ones.
@@ladybucket9798 true, though if one of the countries they fought in wanted to put them in their prisons instead, I would still be happy.
In certain situations I am for the death penalty.
just to stir the pot here... Hamas, is widely considered a terrorist organization. Do you also agree that Palestinians should be brought to court for their crimes?
(I mean the hamas supporting palestinians)
All this talk about where to relocate an ISIS fighter. Is it that complicated? The ground; you put them in the ground.
Here's my two cents on this. I, as a mother, would be more concerned that I was creating thumbnails and content that pedophiles flock to than being mad that my video got demonotized. I would be more concerned about protecting my child. You can be outraged about how unfair it is all you want, but the reality is that's the world we live in today. Protecting my kids is my top concern. I dont want content out there that would attract pedos
Thank you, EXACTLY!!!
Exactly! If you are made aware that pedophiles have been watching your children on content that you’ve produced why would monetization come before protecting children?
Depending on the channel, and the person uploading the video, many probably have auto generated thumbnails. The larger channels probably don't, but I'd bet many of the smaller ones do. Your point is still valid, and parents absolutely should protect their kids, but I wanted to mention this additional info to shed a little bit more light on the topic.
It's all about the money, sadly. I'm surprised the a mother would use her son to gain views. She had to have known that have a little boy, doing the splits, as a thumbnail would gain her videos attention from the wrong people. As a woman I know how unfair and messed up the world is but we still gotta protect ourselves and our kids.
I dunno about the comments tho....I mean people sarcastically joke around on youtube a lot.
Can you imagine if we took the RUclips comment section seriously?? rofl..
What’s happening at 13:54???
I just freaked out because I’m supposed to be home alone.
IT’S COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE
Plant Based Bride fr not ok
I freaked out too, its 2am and im home alone, i genuinely had a heart attack hearing it. even scarier because im wearing my headphones so i thought it was behind me.
I freaked out so much thank god other people heard it too 😂
Omg I even read your comment before I heard it, and it still freaked me out
Right! I wonder what that person was saying.
People shouldn't be monetizing on their children. If kids cannot work without a permit it should be the same for RUclips if monetization is at play. If your kid is 50 % of the video it shouldn't be making money with out a proper work permit for a child.
Seems to me if you've chosen to fight against your own country, you've made your choice. How do we know that the Alabama girl isn't trying to come back to try and commit some sort of attack? As for the British girl and her lack of regret, she should absolutely be banished.
What was that noise at 13:53 ??
Nemo Geo Sounded like “cut” I heard it too
scared the crap out of me even though it's morning here
Headphone user -- it scared me pretty good!
Came to the commets to find this out. I still havent found an answer. Tell us phillip
Same
goes to fight America and the west. Loses
"lEt mE baCk iN im soRrY"
Let me iiiinnn!!!!
Exactly...idk why she thinks she can just get back into the country, it is 100% deserved. Kills innocent people....fights with America as you said.... gets knocked up. “LeT Me iN PlZ”
They should bring her in, and put her in a jail for life while being watched over. Her child should just be given to a better family. All is good then.
Also what the second girl said, pretty much revealing how she can get in another country, well she just fucked up that chance now for sure. Shows you that her stupidity that made her decide to go to Isis is still there even now, she's a danger in the open.
@@SuperZura91 i agree, i think its unfair to dump her onto another country
shes our responsibility
Choices and consequences.
The fact that she said it was fun and that she wouldn't have met anyone like her husband back in the UK tells a great deal about her and that what she says is her motivation to come back might be misleading.
I want to say thank you Philip DeFranco for having really good caption on your videos. Because of inserts and jump cuts it's nearly impossible for me to lip read this style of video so I especially appreciate the captions.
Is anyone else suspicious about Shamima being held in the same camp as Hoda? And they both are seeking to go back to their home countries? Just seems too much like a coincidence to me...
Yeah, It almost seems like a plan. They shouldn't be allowed in any country that believes in freedom and democracy.
@@demolitionman8276 America is not a democracy. it is a republic
@@kalb1ss1blak21
Idk if you're joking but republic is latin for democracy...
exactly!!
@@Invalid571 a quick google search to prove you wrong
Advertisers are too quick to leave . RUclips works hard to protect the community
Wutaii1 Nostalgia you forget all of this started because the news media attacked advertisers for advertising on videos of nazis or terrorist attacks(and other things). The news networks called for boycotts on these advertisers until RUclips “fixed” the system(starting the adpocalypse).
So yes, advertisers are quick to jump ship. Because people blame them for what RUclips videos their ads appear on and boycott them.
@@rascal342 True but the slippery slope continues and I worry advertisers are trying to muscle youtube into policy changes that make the advertisers rich. I just cant see the future though....sucks
"RUclips works hard to protect the community."
Oh really? You might want to look into the recent Copyright Strikes abuse, that might change your mind.
Yeah, so hard as to barely trying to do anything to right the countless amounts of false copyright strikes
Said no one ever.
Don't normally comment, but damn Philly D team there is something about this episode that that just feel good maybe its just Phil with a touch extra charisma than usual or maybe the editing I have no clue but something about it just feels so quality. 1000% good job on the hard ass work your doing.
It's a shitload of "different futures". Like the future and past thing, and stuff like that. Also when he came back, and did the alien voice". Im high and I keep laughing. lmao
Agreed!
13:54 THERE WAS ANOTHER VOICE! I THOUGHT SOMEONE ELSE WAS IN MY ROOM. HOLY SHYEEET!!!
jfc.. was lookng around for this comment WTF was that PHILLIP! STAFF MEETING! BAD EDITOR (> 0_o)>
How ridiculous that other people’s comments on your videos can now get you demonetised! What’s next 😕
Every time I comment somewhere, people always tell me how much they adore and love me, the supreme being of RUclips. How much do you love me, Katie?
It’s what you get for using your kids to make money, parents shouldn’t be able to use their kids like that.
Looks like we’re just gonna have to jump into it and find out.
"hey guys you know how upset people can get with dislikes? Yeah well we're going to demonetize you for every dislike"
@@jeffree7976 Agreed
anyone find Phil hilarious this episode? Sarcastic Phil is gold.
Love the D! Oh, damn, that came out all wrong. (hehe)
Two women commit treason against their governments, and then ask for mercy? This story is quite possibly one of the most heinous you’ve covered in a long time. I’m conflicted about whether I think expatriation is the right answer though, if they returned they could be imprisoned for the rest of their lives. Expatriation allows them the freedom to rejoin ISIS and continue harming others.
I think in the case of the first woman, we HAVE to think about the child above her. She should be charged in America as an American criminal - she seems ready to be imprisoned if it saves her boy - and her son should be adopted out.
I think the first girl should absolutely be allowed back, she expressed regret for joining isis and said she was brainwashed by them, and so isis will never allow her to rejoin, they would likely kill her first. The second girl is more complicated but I think if you are a born citizen you are a born citizen, I don’t think you can rightfully take that away.
Let's talk about these former ISIS women. Firstly you should all know that i am a Labour supporter from the UK and i am a very opinionated person.
So. Let's take the joining part first. If we were to ask moast teenagers I'm the UK and US if they can name some attacks ISIS have done over the years I think that moast of them could and if not they could name some other terrorists organization. So are we to truly belive that these two teenage girls from two country's where catastrophic attacks have taken place didn't know that they were going and joining a terrorists organization? No. To be frank they have kind of already admitted that they knew what they were getting into.
Now onto the elephant in the room. Should they be allowed into there respected countries? That is complicated. They have defiantly have the right to ask to come back in but we have know idea on how to get into ISIS. I don't know if you just go in and ask, they then give you a badge saying "I'm in ISIS" or if you have to sign various forms that make you revoke your citizenship for your place of birth.
They joined a widely recognised terrorists organization and now want to come home. This US woman has said she is sorry but is that enough? The UK woman has basicly applied the "eye for and eye" logic and is not sorry for anything.
Now this is completely against my normal political view but... and this applies more to the people of the UK... do we want this woman to come into our country after joining ISIS and having a chilled, to come and use up tax payers money using the NHS? Even if we are to put them in jail we still pay a tax for that. This isn't something that we can just let pass over. We need to set an example. If you leave to join a terrorist organisation then you don't get to come back after you "now realize that they are bad"
We cannot let them back in.
James.
@@Perceptionreflection Neither she nor her son is a US citizen if Pompeo is to be believed though.
@@Perceptionreflection Phil gives a far leaning left video clips... U need to watch full video of Young lady with child..basically what Reporter asks...What should be yur consequences be for America letting back in? Ohda says....wait for it..."THERAPY TO MAKE ME AND OTHER GIRLS NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE AGAIN" Ummmm, the girls and women are the new wave of suicide bombers leaving their children behind with no problem! Sad but too far gone with radicalization....I feel bad for the kid though....But u need to watch whole video of her
I believe treason harbors the death penalty?
Ngl, that time travel was slick af
concerning that woman thinking she can get dutch citizenship, no way, im dutch myself it has been discussed in parliament and about 70% of the parliament is right winged and completely opposed to the idea of having any of the ISIS people return
en zo hoor het. laat haar lekker daar blijven met haar slimme keuze
If I knew creepers were looking at my kid in a sexual light, even if it was completely non-sexual activities, I would just stop posting videos of my kids. I feel like i'm crazy here?!?!?
Some people exploit their children for monetary gain, can't be surprised if they lack morals. I wouldn't put my kids in the limelight either, I don't think you're crazy at all.
Edit: spelling
Bu-bu-but muh moniez!
yes! and to have them doing the splits in the thumbnail. Like wtf is wrong with these people/parents
Right????
I tell people it's wrong, but it just seems to fall on deaf ears. Disabled comments won't stop creeps from downloading or screenshotting videos & selling or collecting them. There must be a modification to the policy to stop the 'family vlogger' loophole.
I am shocked about the ISIS articles. I listened to the New York Times 'The Daily' Podcast about these girls and they had me feeling nearly sympathetic. They gave a much different perspective and withheld many incriminating details I am sure they had access to. It is disappointing to see time and time again that an honest production that doesn't even self identify as a journalism company on RUclips can out-perform the most iconic name in News. This story is so complex and difficult. Great job researching all the backstory and legal headache!
me: **comments slightly crude comment on youtube video**
youtube: *lets just jump into it*
me*comments slighty crude comment on youtube vid
Wait thats illegal
**SIRENS BLAZE**
**KNEE IN BACK**
**CELLMATES WITH "BIG BUBBA LUVA"**
That "avocado" sound at 13:54 scared the shit out of me! Listening at 3 am with the headphones... Not pleasant at all! 😭
i had to play it back to see if it was the video or something else
Same! Startled me so much haha!
Same
This JUST happened to me and scared the fuck outta me too.
hes saying "Roll Tide" because Phil say Alabama lol
If you choose a path of wrongdoing, then you take the hardships and pain with it. Joining ISIS in you own will, and then trying to come back, should not happen. You chose your path now live through it.
Gigi It’s not about morals or ethics. It’s about the law. People cannot be stateless. This is international law. Countries cannot revoke citizenship if it would result in statelessness. Even if these people are despicable, they are still protected under the law, just like every other human. Legally, the country has to let them in. They can then be tried and put in prison for as long as the country wants but they have to be let in. That’s the law
@@tryignan then they would return to where came from, the place that they chose to betray their nation for.
@@tryignan no
What
tryignan I understand but it is also a privilege to part an US citizen. If you choose to go against your homeland, the soil in which you walked on, to be with terrorists who are known to hurt our brothers and sisters of America, get the hell out. You ain’t welcome here anymore. She CHOSE to leave her home for a terrorist life. No one forced her. Now she wants back, but it’s too late. Also, if you want to be technical, her father was a diplomat when she was born here, meaning she ain’t no US citizen. Goodbye.
Also, I’m Muslim born and raised in America all my life. Sooooooo, yeah. She should not come back and possibly cause havoc in my home. My country.
Although the colors and pattern of his shirt were corrupted during the time travel at 6:35, his hair appeared to be left untouched...
I guess that's the power of the new Beautiful Bastard hair crap he released. Nice job Phil.
who thinks “i want to be liberated, i guess the only thing to do is become even more strict and extreme in my religion”
Switch liberty with power and agency and you will understand her.
Ahh yes, I want freedom, so I'll join the most oppressive force in the world. Sound logic.
She thought "I want (more power and agency), I guess the only thing to do is (join the people fighting and taking territory in the name of my worldview)."
Not saying I agree with it - *I don't* - but it does make sense when you look at it that way.
@@InsomniacXIIIas a woman, I would never expect to gain power by joining a cause that opresses women, especially if I felt oppressed by my parents who believe in the same laws. I guess we just see it differently, which is fine. Beauty of living in a free country.
@@madisonsara6012 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
1st Timothy 2:11-12
“I wanted more friends so I joined isis” bold strategy cotton let’s see how it works out for her
Why don't advertisers understand that we aren't stupid? We know if we see their ad before an offensive video that they didn't specifically CHOOSE that video or condone it. They are so not Daddy, tbh
@@googleuser298 Sometimes, we can blame them for taking those attacks too seriously. Like when ABC cancelled Roseanne again, despite the Twitter outrage having no evident effect on the audience for that show. Or their other shows, for that matter.
That's not true, advertisers correctly understand that SOME of us aren't stupid. Keep in mind, this situation started because these advertisers were attacked for having ads on these videos. Some of us know better, but the rest are absolutely dumb, and addicted to lashing out.
@@googleuser298 Which I think is so stupid. They could easily include a disclaimer with ads that says "The views expressed in the accompanying video do not reflect the views of the advertisements company. Ads are run randomly in accordance with an algorithm" and be done with it.
Donald Trump is a great example of how despite internet rage there are never any consequences. They're so afraid consumers will peace out but they won't, they'll rage for 2 minutes and move on. Chris Brown still has a career after beating the shit out of Rihanna because of this phenomenon.
@@OnionKnightRises See my above comment about a simple fine print disclaimer.
Busy bodies are just authorities and in the world today people have such poor education that they can't correctly identify authoritarian behavior.
I say they should lose any right to citizenship. They are both dishonest. The first girl is such a liar. She claims that she wanted to have a life of freedom and less restriction. Yet she joined a terrorist organization that had even more restriction on her life!
Why when she was on that school trip did she not just run away to a different city, not get on a plane to Syria?
I don’t buy it. They both should have their children taken away from them and be prosecuted. They are adults and should face consequences.
AmethystEyes I think what the first girl meant was that she was a living a very restricted and controlled life that the only way to live was become even more religious so she could cope with it. Eventually that led her down the rabbit hole of being brainwashed online that ISIS is right or whatever (she was a teenager back then hating life so she could be easily brainwashed).
After years she had the chance to go join ISIS and so she took the opportunity.
That’s what I understand from her story. So many people who join ISIS have similar stories like that and it’s sad because it’s all the parents fault. Now she’s going to go and raise her children the same way🤦🏻♀️
But yes they should he held accountable for their actions in the end and persecuted for what they did.
The situation with these two women seeking to return to their home countries seem like two very different people to me. Hoda strikes me as somebody who may potentially have been held in some degree of captivity, whereas Shamima strikes me as VERY much still indoctrinated to the ISIS cause.
I think there has to be some kind of remorse, no matter who you are, for innocent people getting killed. Shamima didn’t seem to show any. When you’re trying to rationalize or trying to make it seem like the Manchester attacks were okay it shows a large disconnect from how that person values lives. There’s nothing just in seeing children senselessly killed.
I feel like this may be a situation where the UN Crimes Court should get involved to determine if they had any direct involvements in loss of life. It’s also a question of if they’d be able to socially reintegrate into their native countries without persecution, or risk, to them or their children. Both seem like they’ll be treated as “enemy combatants” by their governments, which means their children will be parentless and put into a social services system. I don’t think that’s the answer.
Mackenzie Reeves I completely agree with you. Hoda seems to actually comprehend the gravity of the situation and also accept responsibility for her actions. She seemed to show remorse and regret without ‘victimizing’ herself- which to me is the kind of response from someone who is no longer brainwashed/indoctrinated.
However, Shamimas response was frankly offensive. The exasperation in her voice when she was put on the spot for an apology was overwhelmingly disrespectful. And what she said was the “apology” of someone who doesn’t think they have done anything wrong. “I’m sorry but...” is not an apology. It felt to me like she either still has a lot of processing/reflecting to do before she can actually understand what she has done or like she still has ties to ISIS.
How do we know that these children are actually their biological kids. Maybe they took these children with them because they knew it would muddy the water and the left would come to their defence. I think DNA testing is required before any decision is taken.
Daniel Peters it May be better for the kid in this case since there is chance that the children themselves could be indoctrinated, but social services has been shown to fuck up and lead to child abuse for some kids. Not all cases, but enough to where it should be considered as a possibility. Also growing up without parents can really destabilize and mentality hurt kids.
God i hope Shamima doesn't try to go back to Bangladesh. She isn't welcome here any more.
You people do know that it's very easy to "act" sorry right? It's called lying. Hell even children can lie well enough to let the tears flow and act like they did a terrible thing and that they are sorry even when they are not. As far as I'm concerned these people are still terrorists and should be executed for treason.
*The ppl who went to support ISIS even though they MIGHT not have killed directly are also responsible* . Isn't it naive to think they didn't do anything while being there? They just sat doing nothing when they believed in their terrorist ideology? I think both should be taken back and made an example out of by jailing them for life or sentencing them to death the same way victims most likely were cause it seems some don't wanna pay taxes for them. But the thing is.. There has to be justice for the victims and death is the easy way out for them considering they believe they will be rewarded after death. And we also can't leave them to raise the children, cause they will end up teach them to hate and antagonize the west and non muslims, which is pretty much making another generation of potential terrorists. The children should be given a chance for a normal happy life and put it in an unrelated family so it won't be corrupted by relatives. There needs to be some form of justice. You can clearly see that none of them are apologetic. The second girl even looked disgusted at the thought of apologizing! She and the other one need to be in jail.
but by your logic any tax payer who voted for the government that authorized a bombing campaign that killed any civilian in a war zone would be equally responsible for that death as the one who dropped the bomb or ordered it. So should we all be facing trails for murder?
But I dont want my taxes paying for these women who, in your suggestion, be in jail for life. Yeah they are in jail but they get treated better then the elderly in retirement homes and the sick/disabled.
Chair At least we’d know where they were and what they were up to if they came back home to life in prison. Better than leaving them out in the world to possibly change their minds again.
@@sammilee7549 if they didnt kill anyone directly were they really part of ISIS at that point or where they just dumb people roped into a group
Unfortunately it is VERY expensive to imprison someone in the USA, especially for life. Why should you provide their food and shelter when they made the choice to betray their country?
I say they made their beds when they chose to join terrorists. Leave them there, it was their own choice.
I really don't think anyone should be using their kids to make money on youtube. People totally exploit their own kids for money.
Totally. Those child toy opening videos creep me out.
OC I feel that children have no place on RUclips.
I thought this same thing when children started making asmr videos. I get that it's meant to be innocent, but sick people will twist anything for their desires.
I feel like it depends. I’m currently pregnant and I watch tons of channels that have small children in them (infants mostly) because the parents make the videos to help other parents/parents to be. This will be my first kid and those videos have helped me more than any book can because it shows an actual person’s experience with their child. There are times when it can go to far, such as when the video becomes more important than the child. But not every channel that has videos involving children is the same.
If you only care for your little son doing gymnastics, let him do that. Not getting any money for it (probably 99% of people dont) wont prevent you and your son to have fun.
It's very satisfying that you went back in time right before TIA so that your shirt matched the aaptiv logo.
My response to the RUclips thumbnails. How about not having your kid in those positions. Find something else to feature
right!!!! it's so disturbing
@@anniebellelee It really is. As a parent and creator you should know better
You’d think it would be that simple. Because it really really is.
I can't wait to u have children cause basically if yur kids r in gymnastics u would want to show their talent on thumbnail! Yur mind and people in this thread minds are in the gutter! Yur as bad as the guys that are looking at the vids for the reason. Tell me the difference.....
@@deeboynyc8511 They could be in the video that's fine. Just choose a different thumbnail it's called common sense.
13:55 what's that sound?!
sounds like Alabama to me
Roll Tide!
I thought somebody had entered my house!
glad im not the only one who heard that. I thought someone was behind me.
Freaked me the FK out
Wouldn’t Hoda be charged with treason? If yes, bring her back, charge her, and send her to jail
Also I think the government can use her experiences to target some bases
nah just send her back, we tax payers dont need to pay to keep her alive and well here in the states.
And then be a drain on money and resources?
My understanding is that citizens of the US cannot legally be denied reentry. This is also a textbook case of treason per Article III, Section 3 ("levying War against [the US], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"), so she should be brought back and prosecuted for treason.
There is a reason why the higher ups didn't give them citizenship in the first place and doing what you said. Prison is the breeding ground of isis troops.
Thank god for Phil. I love the way he looks at things from a very moderate place. He looks at things with a sense of reason. Only being outraged by things that are properly outrageous. and trying to see both sides of everything. Kudos my dude
There's somehow people defending these ISIS fighters, and actually saying we should let them back in. What's wrong with you?
Well you can't change the law just because you want
Nah think about it, we let them in and throw them in jail for the rest of there life
@@toonsvoons9478 The first person I could understand (second chances and what not), but the second one...
@@DarkFuma well i am pretty sure with some education she will understand
@@SupChad735 even if we put them in prison, it costs money to keep them there. And considering their past, they would need to invest more money to keep them safe from other prisoners
"they would've killed me" um lol ok. Not our problem at this point.
What's your cat's name?
Well, if depending on your own personal ethics. Do people need to care about a person's will to survive? Or we can completely ignore depending on who that person is?
@@francestod.tandocjr4092 pretty sure if they aided a terrorist organization and the murder of whole segments of certain populations, without any real remorse, no one's going to gaf. They believe in terrorist ideology and participated willingly. Infact, that could technically get you for felony murder because they were married to men, and we're involved with people, who most likely murdered other people. Felony murder could get you the death penalty in some places in America. Not to mention the penalties theyre facing for crimes against their countries. So is there really a difference? I'm sure they're much better off in where they betrayed the United States and the UK to go, than if they were to go back and face life in prision and what not.
Francis Tandoc It’s not even personal ethics, it should be universal ethics. They completely abandoned their morals by committing treason and joining terrorist organization who do the unspeakable. People like them are psychopaths and deserve to rot in the filth they built.
@@BelladonnaBates What if both of them didn't directly committed murder is it still justified? Also I like to know your view on what scale that a person need to be until she or he is classified as terrorist? Does supporting a terrorist group by propaganda count?
At 13:55 I almost had a heart attack. I thought someone had broken in my house. Pffff.
Wearing my headphones... the Alabama Easter egg startled me... 😂😂😂
Potentially unpopular opinion: I understand why Jessica's videos might be getting auto-dominitized when she has multiple thumbnails of her child doing the splits. I'm not saying she's exploiting her son, but I am saying that RUclips can only do so well with it's current algorithm and a similar thumbnail with bad intentions could be disgusting clickbait for people who are searching for that kind of content.
Agreed. It's not as if her videos were unrelated to the issue, even if her intention isnt making money from Ps. It was related in that's something they were searching.
Though, I'm personally against people using their children to make money, regardless of intent so I'm biased. Those videos were not removed, just demonetized because they shared a similar theme. Ive been getting ads all over youtube, so... so far things don't seem horrible for content unrelated to minors.
right!?!? It's not like they don't know the kind of creeps out there making those comments and what they are looking for, it's like she's doing it on purpose. I find it creepy that parents are making money off of their kids in the first place from videos.
That’s problematic for you to think of that. For one their audience is children and families. My sister is a cheerleader and she likes to watch their videos and relates to her oldest. It’s takes a sick individual to sexualize children, period. That’s not right and has nothing to do with them. Your argument would be valid if she wasn’t doing a sport that required it, or she was doing it for “look my child can do spilts for no reason”.
I’m glad to find a comment that’s substantive and not just calling him “daddy”. So to the topic at hand, I had a similar reaction to those videos too. It just feels a little, I don’t know, wrong to monetize videos of your kids doing anything really. I guess to be honest I don’t really know much about monetized RUclips vids or how it works. And certainly an algorithm can only do so much and those thumbnails were pretty on target for what something like that would have to be designed to look for.
Jessica should be demonitized because she's terrible and their channel is terrible.
This is just me or but if you listen around 13:54 you hear some hear sound in the background of that just me
Lil Can omg yes!! I was hoping that someone was going to say something in the comment section. I was tweaking. I have headphones on so I thought there was someone in my room. Thank god!
spooky sound D:
yeah what is that ?
Lil Can I’m glad I’m not the only one 😂
yes! definitely super creepy
That crazy UK ISIS woman sounds like Ryan from the Office, “to the troops... on both sides”
Why is no one mentioning that the British one has fucked up teeth
Melissa Sun ISIS is obviously fuqd up. But lets not pretend the US hasn’t bombed hospitals and schools. Sure, you could claim it wasn’t intentional, however after being responsible for thousands of civilian casualties and helping arm and get ISIS into power in the first place, does intent justify ignoring the result?
@@majorevangelism I hearken back to the end of WW2, Japan decimated by 2 nuclear bombs, defeated, and Occupied by the US. The United States stayed there for 7 years and set up infrastructure told them how to be successful and by the 1980's they were the 3rd largest economy in the world, all because they listened to what they were told. Now return 15 years ago, Iraq decimated, defeated, and occupied yet again the US builds Infrastructure, tells them how to be successful, yet they took that fresh start and threw it away, now look at them. They did every bit of this shit to themselves. Although less extreme of a transformation, look a Germany occupied by US and other European nations (West side)for 10 years, now look at them, 4th largest economy in the world (and we only rebuilt half of it(West side))and the cherry on the top the US occupied portion is the wealthiest part of Germany. War is War, innocent people die, if you are on the losing side it truly sucks, but unlike every other empire the world has ever seen the US not only rebuilds the defeated countries but also tries to set them up for success and then proceeds to leave them alone. Only ever exerting the same power that any other country has over any other.
MajorEvan I’m not here to get into an argument about whether a side of perfectly right. I was simply making a joke
the kid doesn't deserve to suffer but the mother has some serious gall to ask to return to america after fighting for a group that's trying to destroy the western world i feel no sympathy for her whatsoever your excuses ring hollow most people who commit horrible crimes were abused or had rough upbringings that's no reason to let them go unpunished
When does Nike not have a controversy.
I'll get back to you on that one
i mean it is a multi billion dare i say trillion dollar company...... if the CEO sneezed wrong it would be controversial
Why not just keep some of this stuff private? like I get if you want to share your kid doing gymnastics among your friend group or with your parents or with your family, but why do you need to show it to the entire world? I guess I just think some things should be kept private, not for any other reason then why is it anyone else's business what your son is doing in gymnastics? Not hating on anybody, or trying to bring anybody down, I guess as a private person myself I don't get how much sharing is going on in the world.
Nike uses what’s essentially slave labor in 3rd world countries. I wish this would be brought up more often. If Nike stock suffers for whatever reason it’s a good thing, although I wish it was for that reason
Yeah... my whole channel was demonetized and I’m not sure how I’m going to survive this.
Personally I think if a person is crazy enough to join ISIS then they should never be brought back.
I honestly agree. It may sound harsh, but her not being let back will set a precedent.
That's stupid, if there's a chance for redemption we should take it.
@@fenster666 Who's we? No, if you join the literal enemy of your country to go and murder people you can get bent.
@@fenster666 anything related to terrorism gets no second chance for me.
@@hackinglife4118 So no forgiveness, just kill 'em all, is that it? That's a fairly extreme viewpoint.
That clapping transition was soooo good
Neither of those isis agents seemed remorseful or anything, the second girl just seemed .... I don’t know, just not legit, you knew well enough what isis was before joining it, and yes sweetheart you did do harm by association, you supported them. They need to be punished not welcomed back with open arms, sorry but not sorry too easy to have them as internal agents for isis if welcomed back.