A Great Exponential Equation

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Комментарии • 39

  • @alphastar5626
    @alphastar5626 22 дня назад +6

    0 and 1

  • @pukulu
    @pukulu 20 дней назад +1

    By inspection, the 2 solutions among the real numbers are x = 0 and x = 1.

  • @cav1928
    @cav1928 22 дня назад +2

    3^x /(2x+1)=1 -->x*ln(3) - ln(2x+1) =0-->x*ln(3)=ln(2x+1)--> by check and guess is easy to find out that x=1 and x=0 are the only solutions. Of course your application of Lambert function, mainly in the right side, is super.

  • @CryToTheAngelz
    @CryToTheAngelz 21 день назад +1

    Using the same method, how can we get the second result? I am guessing there is some kind of branching involved but how does it work?

  • @stephensu4371
    @stephensu4371 22 дня назад +2

    7:20 i’m not sure i’m correct or not, did we missing something on the right hand side?
    edit: 8:46 ok. fixed

  • @DonEnsley-mathdrum
    @DonEnsley-mathdrum 22 дня назад +1

    x = 0 and 1. The line g(x) = 2x + 1 has slope 2 a constant. The exponential f(x)=3^x has slope ln 3 3^x which is always positive, and increasing with increasing x and so the exponential never has zero slope, and so a line can possibly have either 0, 1 (at a tangent point), or 2 points at most intersections with the simple exponential 3^x.
    In our case we get the two points only.
    They are (0,1) and (1,3).

  • @lazymello6778
    @lazymello6778 19 дней назад +1

    But why was the soln x=1 missed in this approach?

  • @minecraftexplorer56
    @minecraftexplorer56 14 дней назад

    It is also possible to find roots with graphical method.

  • @Penfold42
    @Penfold42 21 день назад +1

    When are you launching the te^t channel ?

  • @nackha1
    @nackha1 21 день назад

    Nice explanation 👍
    Just wondering, what software do you use to write on your videos?

  • @moeberry8226
    @moeberry8226 21 день назад

    In this specific problem the Lambert W function is not necessary since you still have to check which function lies above the other over different intervals because they are both increasing but obviously 3^x is increasing much faster after x=1 however before that between 0 and 1 the function 2x+1 is lying above 3^x. But also you haven’t shown between-1/2 and 0 where 2x+1 is still positive and it could possibly intersect at a negative value. This requires more of real analysis and using IVT and Newtons method assuming you have a good initial guess close to the real zero then that will do the job.

  • @ginopaperino2608
    @ginopaperino2608 21 день назад +1

    I have a question. What if i derive both sides. The result shouldn’t change but it does. Is there any situation in wich I can do that?

    • @maxhenderson1890
      @maxhenderson1890 17 дней назад

      Show me what you've done please

    • @ginopaperino2608
      @ginopaperino2608 17 дней назад

      @@maxhenderson1890 the derivative of 3 to the x power is 3 to the x power multiplied by ln(3) and the derivative of 2x + 1 is equal to 2. So x should be equal to log3[2/ln(3)] right? i think that we can not derivate both sides of an equation like that. Do u know what is the mistake?

  • @el-mehdibenchaib9950
    @el-mehdibenchaib9950 22 дня назад

    I solve it and find x=1.
    I enter the exp on both sides
    Exp(3^x)=exp(2x+1)
    Then, exp(3x)=exp(2x+1)
    Therefore, 3x=2x+1
    So we have two solutions (0,1).

    • @appybane8481
      @appybane8481 21 день назад +1

      but exp(3^x) isn't exp(3x)

  • @nasrullahhusnan2289
    @nasrullahhusnan2289 21 день назад

    To get x=0, it is simpler this way:
    At 3:34 you get
    (-x-½)[3^(-x)][3^(,-½)=-½[3^(-½)]
    It can be simplified as
    (-x-½)[3^(-x-½)]=-½[3^(-½)]
    which implies that -x-½=-½ --> x=0
    If fact, by inspection it can be found that x={0,1}. I consider your solution is an algebrai way to get x=0. Is there algebraic way to get x=1 instead just by inspection?

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  21 день назад

      yes but you need to manipulate the expression to fit the te^t pattern

  • @zegrirsaid2855
    @zegrirsaid2855 20 дней назад

    0and1

  • @rakenzarnsworld2
    @rakenzarnsworld2 22 дня назад

    x = 0 or 1

  • @saishashank
    @saishashank 22 дня назад +2

    A fan of you from india

  • @rorydaulton6858
    @rorydaulton6858 22 дня назад +1

    I solved it by using guess-and-check to quickly find the solutions x = 0 and x = 1. But guess-and-check alone cannot show that there are no other solutions.
    I proved the lack of other solutions by considering the function 3^x. The second derivative is (ln 3)^2 * 3^x which is always positive. That means that the graph of 3^x is concave upward everywhere: it is a convex function. Such a function can have at most two intersections with a straight line. But the graph of 2x+1 is a straight line. Therefore there can be at most two points where the graphs of 3^x and 2x+1 intersect, meaning there are at most two solutions to the equation 3^x = 2x+1. And we already found those two solutions.
    I checked that conclusion by considering the Lambert W function, as you did. It was clear from the start that your equation could be solved by Lambert W, and we know that there are only two real branches of that function. Therefore there can be at most two solutions to such an equation, which we already found. Your method did this train of thought in more detail.

    • @saishashank
      @saishashank 22 дня назад +1

      Nice 👌

    • @saishashank
      @saishashank 22 дня назад +1

      Where are you from?

    • @rorydaulton6858
      @rorydaulton6858 22 дня назад +1

      @@saishashank I'm not sure what you mean. I was born and raised in the United States of America and am living there now but served as a missionary in East Africa (Kenya and Tanzania) for over 25 years. I now live in central Pennsylvania, teaching high school science, calculus, and statistics in a private Christian school. My degree is in mathematics: magna cum laude from Cornell University. Did I cover what you meant?

    • @saishashank
      @saishashank 22 дня назад +1

      @@rorydaulton6858 very interesting and excellent bio... Actually I'm not much experienced as you sir... I'm about to join in a degree "Bachelors of Mathematics" in ISI (Indian Statistical Institute)
      My age is less than your missionary period. I'm 19
      I'm very much interested in mathematics sir..
      Glad to meet you sir
      Any suggestions for me from your side sir??

    • @rorydaulton6858
      @rorydaulton6858 22 дня назад +1

      @@saishashank I do not know much about Indian schools so I cannot say much. I believe that you will cover more math than I did, since my degree was Bachelor of Arts which requires many non-math classes. I also knew that I might become a missionary so I took two more missionary-related classes and fewer math classes than I could have taken.
      I advise you to pay attention to your classes, not specialize yet but figure out which kind of mathematics you like so you can specialize later, and push yourself a little harder than you believe you can handle. And keep learning outside school: I covered convex functions and sets in a couple of my classes but learned the Lambert W function on my own later.
      Finally, pay attention to the non-academic areas of your life, especially the spiritual. What do you think about Jesus of Nazareth? Trusting and following Him is more important than math. My math and other grades went up after I trusted in Jesus and began student ministry. But that is not the reason to become a committed Christian: there are many better ones, including the need to follow the truth.

  • @Chrisoikmath_
    @Chrisoikmath_ 22 дня назад +1

    I have two different aproaches:
    1. We can easily find that 0 and 1 are two roots of the function f(x) = 3^x - 2x - 1.
    We hope that these are the only ones. Let's prove it:
    It's f'(x) = ln3.3^x - 2
    Obviously the function f' has exactly one solution.
    Let us assume that the function f has three solutions: 0, 1 and t.
    By Rolle's theorem at [0,1] we have that the only root of f' belongs in (0,1).
    We can check three cases:
    A) t1 then by Rolle's theorem at [1,t] there exists a number w€(1,t) such that f'(w) =0, contradiction.
    2. Since f' has exactly one solution let it be u then f is decreasing at (-infinity, u] and increasing at [u, +infinity) so f has at maximun two solutions one in (-infinity, u] and one at (-infinity, u]. Because 0 and 1 are roots of f these are the only ones.
    Sorry for my bad English and thanks for reading.

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce 22 дня назад

      Do not use a decimal point for multiplication on your fourth line. It reads as "f(x) = the natural logarithm of 3 point 3 times x^2 - 2." Also, you are missing grouping symbols
      around the argument. Instead, write f'(x) = ln(3)*3^x - 2, ln(3)[3^x] - 2, or the equivalent.

  • @neuralwarp
    @neuralwarp 22 дня назад

    P₁(x) = P₂(x)
    then x=a is a solution.
    Divide P₁(x) - P₂(x) by (x-a) to find a.