>Doesn’t respect lightsabers >is basically the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy >doesn’t respect the sith >is the most successful sith of all time. >respects force lightning >gets horribly disfigured and killed trying to use force lightning. Gg’s palps.
Idk man Vitiate would probably give Palpatine a run for his money. Unless we’re talking Legends Palpatine. That would be a little bit closer and I’m not quite sure who would win. Think they’re about the same.
He was actually disfigured by using the Dark side for all those years. He just made himself look normal using Sith alchemy. And by using the powers of the Dark side against Mace Windu, his true form revealed itself.
The bit about Palpatine seeing himself as the culmination of the Rule of Two, and thus being able to do whatever he wants to after basically completing the Rule of Two's objective, was pretty good.
One thing to note is that even Bane himself took liberties far and bending the rule of two. He took the woman that would later become Darth Cognus on before Zannah was out of the picture. The rule seems like more of a flexible guideline overall and that actually may have worked for the best. Far as Baneite sith, there were alot of risk if an apprentice failed and already took up most of a masters lifespan to train.
The "rule of two" basically resulted in Sith lords having two or three apprentices rather than a dozen. It achieved most of the intended function while also allowing Sith lords to follow their natural inclination to break rules while also limiting how far they actually push that boundary.
Palpatine perfectly represents the Sith: He is so self-interested that he foregoes any & all codes of conduct (even the Sith’s) if it means getting his way. F*** the Jedi, F*** the Sith: they’re both just means to an end.
I’m sure you’ll never see this but I’ve been watching your videos for years and the outro song always hits me with crazy nostalgia so thank you for never changing it.
My headcanon has always been that there *can* be more than two Sith; you just can't legally have more than two Sith in your... uh... adventuring party. Apprentice you thought dead turns out to still be alive with robot legs after you've already started training a new apprentice? Fine. That ex-apprentice goes off and decides he's the Master and his little brother is the Apprentice in a whole different Sith duo? Fine. Train a bunch of Dark Side Force users, including your Hands, your Inquisitors, your Dark Jedi, and probably a bunch of others that I'm forgetting, but only one Apprentice? Fine. Your current Apprentice takes on an Apprentice of his own to try and usurp you? Okay, you should probably kill at least one of them just because it's the smart thing to do, but not doing so isn't a violation of the Rule of Two on *your* part. Train two or more Apprentices at the same time? Now you're in "violating the Rule of Two" territory, and Darth Bane's Holocron is probably going to be so offended it Vonduun crab armor into a dragon with you inside.
And about sidious letting maul live after mandalore, maul was more like a sith rival at that point as sidious says to him in anger before they dueled. Sidious doesn't recruit or enslave maul either, he imprisons him and uses him to draw out mother talzin as shown in the comics if I recall correctly.
My headcanon here is based on Darth Plaguis and Rise of Skywalker stuff - which is that *actually* the Sith aren’t really that interested in a rule of two at all. That Plagueis effectively had an acolyte that he could attempt to transfer his consciousness into when he was close to death. That then makes it clear why Palpatine was so excited about Anakin originally - more force power, and then more interested in Luke when he turned up because there was an opportunity to skip over the mutilated body of Vader. This probably doesn’t respect canon as it stands, but it makes way more sense to me than the other rule of two stuff
We need a new tales of the jedi or something to recontextualize the rule. Have it be revealed that darth bane with his 5000 IQ made the rule to dupe the jedi (like yoda) into thinking there were literally only 2 sith, so the jedi could be fooled into thinking they eradicated the sith order after killling 2 people.
Yes, The rule is a lie. Misinformation to trick the jedi. they think Ventress is the apprentice and dooku is the master, and we are done. Makes me yearn for Darth Jar-Jar as Palpy's hidden master.
#AskEck Could you cover some of the smaller stories such as the ones from The Lost Tribes of the Sith, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Empire, New Republic, Jabbas Palace, or Mos Eisley Cantina? Millennium Falcon, or ESPECIALLY Crucible would be amazing as well. There's a lotta lore that I have trouble summarizing in them and, especially with Lost Tribes and Millennium Falcon, wild and somewhat outlandish subplots that tie into thousands of years of stories and widen aspects of the force and create that sense of mystery of the force I experienced when reading the Old Republic stories for the first time and seeing all the force abilities. Hell Millennium Falcon even explains why you can see it in episode 3 going to the senate building. I know that's a lot, but any of this would be content I haven't really seen covered before.
Palpatines' plans vis-a-vis the Dark Empire and the Skywalker family reminds me a lot of the book God Emperor of Dune, with the immortal Emperor Leto II Atreides, and his underlings being the descendents of his sister Ghanima and Farad'n Corrino. Very interesting.
I like to think that some Sith Lords bent the rule of two, as they likely recognized that having one Apprentice could put the Sith in danger of being killed off or to ensure they had the best Apprentice! Palpatine had Maul while he himself was still an Apprentice, but Maul was more of a Sith assassin, who Palpatine thought dead after the Battle on Naboo and by the time Maul's survival was made known, Palpatine had a far better Apprentice in Dooku, with Anakin being groomed as a younger more powerful replacement! Palpatine also did adhere to the Rule of Two at times like when he ordered Dooku to kill Ventress, to eliminate the possibility of Dooku trying to usurp him as Master! The Inquisitiors were more Dark Jedi by design than true Sith, though they also served to keep Vader on his toes less one of them prove themselves worth of replacing him! This ensured neither the Inquisitors nor Vader could usurp him Vader would be too busy keeping them in line while the Inquisitors were focused on hunting Jedi and avoiding Vader's wrath!
#AskEck, Did the Empire televise (or whatever the Star Wars equivalent is) the battle of Endor? If it had gone right, it would have demonstrated the power of the Death Star as well as show the Empire’s effective response to the Rebel Alliance?
3:33 - I agree! I'd say it was more likely bending the rule a bit, in order to ensure he had the best Apprentice possible! After all Dooku was older and still thought too much like a Jedi (he also likely saw Dooku as a political threat as he was charismatic and understood politics in a way Anakin did not)! Anakin was the chosen one and struggled with being pulled towards the Dark Side for most of his life as a Jedi!
Palpatine's greatest flaw of character was his ego; his certainty in believing he was the culmination of the Sith/ rule of 2. Idk ol' Sheevus gets under my skin lol
Imho, the rule of two was never really broken. Maul was never moulded to be a sith lord but rather a sith assassin. Dooku was trained enough to be more powerful than his jedi self but not powerful enough to overthrow palpatine. Having a second apprentice doesn’t necessarily break the rule of two because once the apprentices are powerful enough they’ll be made to kill each other. The surviving apprentice becomes the formal apprentice of the sith lord. It’s in a way to lessen the risk by spreading out power holders in case one of them got discovered by the jedi. And yes iirc, palpatine did intend to move towards the rule of one.
#AskEck I've been watching you for a few years now. Absolutely love your content. I watched Star Wars for the first time in 2020 (it was Episode V), when I was 9 or 10 at the time. Afterwards, your content really boosted my interest in Star Wars. I wanted to expand my knowledge and understanding of Star Wars Legends, or generally the non-canon side of Star Wars (the stuff not in the movies or TV shows). I wanted to ask where to start and which books to read in what order. I do hope you see this comment. Keep up the great work!! Sincerely, Falcon I dont know if you've answered this yet*
I think Eck’s covered this a little in the past! Here’s a video from 6 years ago covering where to start with legends: ruclips.net/video/QVA7z9fKoAA/видео.htmlsi=dh2yIxzu3_ftZf9c Personally, I started reading legends mostly in the prequel era, Plagueis, Kenobi, the rise of Darth Vader, and the RotS novel are all personal favorites of mine
2. Additional points 1. Bane also violated The Rule of Two 2. Palpatine and Darth Bane both tried to brake the ultimate chain of their code. Darth Bane violating The Rule of Two was done by trying to create a Rule of One; Him. In the final chapters of the Darth Bane books he was taught and tried the method to take over the body of his apprentice resulting his spirit lives on forever (spoiler for the book; it failed ). Reason was the same why Palpatine tried to, which is the 2nd point breaking the ultimate chain; death Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Death is the ultimate chain that binds everyone. So breaking it is the ultimate goal. And we see the opposite happening with the Jedi. When someone dies they say don't be sad but rejoice because they're one with the force. The rule of Two is a method to achieve victory against the Jedi but also a means to an end to achieving immortality. That's why we saw Palpatine create clones and why Vader was slowly changed from apprentice to enforcer, like Maul. We see this Rule of One in all Sith stories where a Sith found a way to immortality. Never in those stories you only meet the master and a cult fallowing, but never the apprentice because there's no need for an apprentice to carry on the research.
While I believe Palpatine did violate the rule of two, I don't believe leaving Maul alive is one of his many violations! When Maul was cut in half by Kenobi that was it, Palpatine believed Maul was dead and he found Dooku as a placeholder until Anakin was ready. When he discovers Maul is alive and captures him on Mandalore, it's to rout out Mother Talzin. Maul is dead to Sidious, he would never come back as a Sith or even an assassin, he was just to be a tool to end a threat before being cast aside. When Darth Cognus's apprentice Darth Millennial betrayed her to create The Dark Force she didn't even bother to hunt him down and end his cult, which lasted even up to the days of the Empire and I don't think that counts as a violation of the rule of two. Anyway this is my interpretation.
Ah yes, the Rule of Two an idea spawned off of a single throwaway line in Episode I. And of course this makes sense, because the Sith are famously rule followers.
The core element of the Rule of Two was that there would be only one Master and one Apprentice, with maybe either training a secret apprentice just in case the Master got tired of his official apprentice or the Apprentice decided that their were ready to replace his Master. Any other Sith, were either tools or acolytes, neither not brought into the Ro2 or the Plan. But each Sith Master seemed to have their own understanding of it and often came to believe themselves to be beyond such rules, at least near the end of that era. With Palpatine and Vader? Palpatine saw that he had fulfilled the Sith Plan under the Rule of Two, and let’s face it, few in history would have been powerful enough to stand up to them. The other Darksiders or Force Users under him like the Inquisitors, his secret Hands and the Darkside prophets, were nowhere their own strength in the Force, some of whom weren’t even fully trained, and those that knew much about the others, were kept at odds with each other in competition to outperform the other nor were they brought into the Sith religion. The only one that saw themselves as Sith that I can think of was Lumiya from the old Marvel comics long before she was brought into the old EU continuity. I just don’t like how the Inquisitors are organized in the new canon as not only are they directly under Vader’s command, but seem to work together more like a team than I remember of them in the Legends EU.
I think the rule of two was for when the Sith is hiding in the shadows. When the Sith is at the forefront of galactic domination, it probably needs the manpower more than the secrecy.
For the life of me I can’t remember what book it was, but at some point there’s a palpatine POV chapter and he says to himself that once he’s figured out immortality he’ll keep the rule of two going, but just for the sake of tradition. So yeah, palps is just gonna do whatever palps wants to do.
So there is this lore book called the Book of the Sith that came out somewhere between the prequels and Disney canon. This book is a disjointed gathering of various lore from games, stories and so forth, annotaited by both Jedi, Sith and ol' Palpy himself. One chapter, written by Palps, speficially states his plans for the galaxy and talks about the abolisment of the Rule of Two. Insteads, he would adopt the Rule of One, specifically _his_ rule. He would supported by people trained in the dark side, but not to the full extend of a true Sith would be and with various weaknesses that only he knows about. Tools, not apprentices. He would live forever through cloning and mind transfer. Of course, how accurate this remains is a point of debate considering this book also talks about the Sith forging their own crystals instead of this 'bleeding' crystal thing, nor does it dismissing the 'turn your lightsaber off during combat' trick (which appeared in the _Jedi_ companion book of all things), so... I will however say that apparently Sith ghosts do not like ol' Palpy, from what I understand, so the bit about him introducing the Rule of One is something I take as still tenious canon unless told otherwise.
Why would Palpatine respect the Sith? The Rule of Two Era was full of Sith who thought they were going to be the one and disrespected the other Sith. Palpatine's apprentices weren't really ever full Sith, just had their titles or were around with red lightsabers but never went Sith to the extent Palpatine did. Instead of ruling with Sith Power, he just had his apprentice be the Sith and he more or less technology in his empire while he researched the Dark Side. The Ancient Sith are all people would despise Palaptine's way of doing things and if we're honest, all the Sith would be 100% jealous that they weren't the one the put the Jedi in their place. Palpatine doesn't respect other Sith and they wouldn't respect him but it's not important because Palpatine is the one that put the Jedi down, not for good but basically humiliated them all.
It's funny how the Jedi adopted the Rule of Two, they just got rid of the dying part and made it more of an until the apprentice graduates thing. The Sith should have done the same, but of course, Bane is an extreme misanthrope so he couldn't help it.
I think the Rule of Two takes conflict between Sith into account. The apprentice will always want to kill the master and take their place, then take an apprentice of their own. The master will pit two apprentices against each other and continue training the one that survives (consider Anakin vs Dooku there even if Anakin didn't know it yet). Palpatine told Maul that he had been replaced, and since Maul had his own apprentice, he was now a rival. After Maul was defeated and Savage killed, Palpatine no longer saw him as a threat, thus not a Sith. No matter how it plays out, conflict between Sith will whittle the population down to two - a master and an apprentice.
I always think of Palpatine as the ultimate Neutral Evil. He would have burned the universe if it benefitted him. He would have burned the dark side of the force and lived giving to the poor and the sick if it benefitted him. He had no loyalty to anything but himself.
#AskEck I know it's sci-fi, but is there an in-universe explanation as to why people don't just go flying when a ship enters/exits hyperspace? People dont seem to be strapped in, so when a ship accelerates or deccelaretes due to hyperspace, you'd think everyone would be smashing against their ships' walls.
#AskEck I had a doubt, how could the Sith become force ghosts, essentially binding their souls to certain objects or places. If so, why wasn’t it seen as an alternate to the jedi way of becoming an apparition of the force.
Lucas explained it in an interview... two Sith is just what happens when a bunch of backstabbers fight for power. The EU expanded it into doctrine and tried to explain it while George Lucas just shrugged and kept adding a ton of Sith! 😂 His explanation also makes way more sense with the OT. If there's a rule of two why is Vader trying to protect Luke and Palpatine at the same time? He should have let Palpatine take a saber to the face and watched Luke get corrupted and called it a day.
#askeck In season 6 episode 1 of TCW. We hear general Tiplee mention a rumor of an anti clone virus. Could this be related to the clone gas Dr. Hemlock uses in the bad batch? We know he knows the emperor and vise versa. Palps could've been funding this off to the side during the clone wars in case somethung happened to the clones, since he was all about contingency plans.
The Rule of Two are more like guidelines than actual rules… But seriously the Sith were their own worst enemy. Plotting, backstabbing and paranoia must have been commonplace and don’t must have been difficult to maintain any kind of faction cohesion with multiple Darths running around.
I am curious if the gundam universe would survive in the start war galaxy if the solar system is put in the unknown region and it would be one year after the one year war
#AskEck why didn't the first order use tie interceptors instead of tie fighters because I thought interceptors were better all round starfighters than the tie fighters and I believe the empire was slowly phasing out the tie fighter for the interceptor
The rule of two was known to the jedi, so if there are 2 known sith other than palpatine they would likely assume they knew the identies of all the sith.
Reading the comments there's definitely a major misconception as to what the Rule of Two actually is. It's not JUST a philosophy that Bane created. According to Lucas it's an inevitability. Almost like a natural law of the universe itself like gravity. When a large number of Sith flock together, without fail they will eventually gang up on each other in an attempt to become the leader. And when the dust settles only two will remain alive--one stronger, one weaker. A Master and Servant. Bane realized this. And he also saw that weaker Sith will team up to take down stronger Sith, which leads to a weaker Sith being in charge. A Sith wanting to overthrown their master is a natural thing, and by doing so by yourself it proves that you are the stronger Sith. This is why Bane based his philosophy around the Rule of Two. Even though Bane took on Cognus to replace Zannah, he still fought Zannah one on one.
It because it used to be all about vader and palps, so writers noticed there's 2 of them and retconned in darth bane and "the rule of 2" Then, more contrarian writers pointed out that at times a franchise needs more than just 2 central antagonists, especially if you've got a long running franchise, and action figures to sell. So they retconned instances where the archetype example of the rule of 2, vader and palps, didn't follow "the rule of 2" Simple 🤔
The rule of two means that there is only one person below the Sith master, the apprentice, that can challenge the ruler. It doesnt mean there are no other people capable of using the force in the empire. An inquisitor is just a dark force wielder, he is no Sith, and he has no right whatsoever to become emperor. Just like (and thats mistaken very often) a force wielder is not a Jedi. A Jedi is someone who learned the way of the Jedi (and graduated), not a birthright because that person can wield the force.
I don't believe Sidious cared so much about following ancient Sith rules - he was interested in power & the destruction of the Jedi - he used whatever means got him to those ends. that would explain his "violations" of the Rule of Two.
#AskEck I was wondering why we don't see a lot more people in the Star Wars universe waking around with robotic limbs. In the movies it looks like they can pretty easily replace human parts with very few drawbacks. Is there something in the expanded lore that explains the lack of cyborg-esque people running around?
Luke's artificial hand was covered in realistic-looking skin, so I would guess that other people could have cybernetic limbs that look like organic limbs at a glance.
could be many can afford to have sythflesh to cover the robotic limbs, like Luke did early on in Return of the Jedi (before it got shot during the fight on the sail barge)
The rule of two was a really stupid retcon imo. Like its all based off the idea that the master is ok with getting offed by their apprentice at any given time, which especially makes no sense if Plagius was searching for immortality. Imo the sith should have just agreed to go into hiding and let their greed and inherent evil make them betray one another until Phantom Menace where there were only two left. Like why abide by the rule of two if you know it means your untimely death at some point?
This is the basic conceptual flaw in the Rule of Two metafictionally. But I do think the question of whether Palpatine was the greatest or worst Sith ever is pretty fun
#AskEck!: Do only dark side users use Force Lightening? Having only seen the movies, I've never known if light side users could also use Force Lightening.
I believe Plo Koon has his own version called Force Judgement or something. Kind of a different colored lightning though not the same as the actual Force Lightning
He did follow the rule of 2. That only applies to sith lords. Palpatine and Maul, then Palpatine and Dooku, then Palpatine and Vader. Jedi that fall to the darkside don't count because they aren't sith lords. They would be equivalent to knights on the light side. Now Palpatine trained some assassins to use the darkside like mara jade ect.... the assassins training was incomplete. He trained them up enough to be dangerous not to lordship.
No he did not, since maul is no longer hes apprentice but rival. Also, for the longest time, Palpatine though Maul was dead, so he took second apprentice (Dooku), that have been earlier working for him as a spy, but not yet granted title of apprentice since Maul was alive. Now that he find out he was alive, he went there originally to kill him, or use him in hes own purposes. In this case, he plan to use him, but the series got cancel before they could get to that, and instead quickly wrap it so that order 66 could happen. There can only two siths (master and apprentice) at any given time, however, that does not exclude having more "disposable force users", like inquisitors. However, these inquisitors ware not true siths, not even close. They ware haphazardly train, poorly organize, and pretty much just insult to injury for jedi order. This can be seen in Star wars rebels, when when Kanan fights against Grand inquisitor, defeating him eventually, but when Vader comes out next, there is nothing he can do, and even mention that this was not typical inquisitor, but something else. With this kinda logic, could it not be possible that Dooku have two apprentice too since he fail to kill them both? (Savage and Ventress)
The Rule of 2 doesn't make sense at a basic level. The master trains the apprentice until the apprentice is powerful enough to kill the master and take their place proving they are more powerful. Makes sense... until you think about it at all. 1. The master doesn't want to die, so they covet their secrets and don't teach their apprentice everything so when they die, mysteries of the force that they uncovered will almost always be lost every generation. 2. Students don't always learn what teachers teach them. Just because you were in a sith algebra class with someone who was amazing at sith algebra doesn't make you amazing at sith algebra, if you are just bad at sith math or you don't care about it, you wont apply yourself. So when it comes to teach your students... no sith algebra. 3. The Apprentice is supposed to prove they are ready to be the master by killing their master using what the master taught them. But almost every sith we know of, used deception and tricked their master somehow, they didn't overpower them, they killed them in their sleep, poisoned them, sabotaged their ship, dropped rocks on their head while they werent looking... Furthermore, random things happen in the universe, Say Darth Plagueis takes on Palpatine, starts training him, a year later Plagues' ship is attacked by pirates looking to take on a big banking clan score Plaueis is killed, Palpatine isnt a sith master, he may not even have the name sidious yet, the rule of two just got set back 1000 years.
>Doesn’t respect lightsabers
>is basically the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy
>doesn’t respect the sith
>is the most successful sith of all time.
>respects force lightning
>gets horribly disfigured and killed trying to use force lightning.
Gg’s palps.
Idk man Vitiate would probably give Palpatine a run for his money. Unless we’re talking Legends Palpatine. That would be a little bit closer and I’m not quite sure who would win. Think they’re about the same.
Vitiate was the most successful sith if not the most powerful
nnah lol all sith rule for more and dont die like an idiot lol
He was actually disfigured by using the Dark side for all those years. He just made himself look normal using Sith alchemy. And by using the powers of the Dark side against Mace Windu, his true form revealed itself.
The bit about Palpatine seeing himself as the culmination of the Rule of Two, and thus being able to do whatever he wants to after basically completing the Rule of Two's objective, was pretty good.
One thing to note is that even Bane himself took liberties far and bending the rule of two. He took the woman that would later become Darth Cognus on before Zannah was out of the picture. The rule seems like more of a flexible guideline overall and that actually may have worked for the best. Far as Baneite sith, there were alot of risk if an apprentice failed and already took up most of a masters lifespan to train.
The "rule of two" basically resulted in Sith lords having two or three apprentices rather than a dozen. It achieved most of the intended function while also allowing Sith lords to follow their natural inclination to break rules while also limiting how far they actually push that boundary.
Palpatine perfectly represents the Sith:
He is so self-interested that he foregoes any & all codes of conduct (even the Sith’s) if it means getting his way.
F*** the Jedi, F*** the Sith: they’re both just means to an end.
Yup
I would also say F*** the Sith also seems pretty on par with the Sith....in a "Rules are meant to be broken/I do what I want" sort of way, lol.
oh man this outro music... brings back memories...
The song at the end is back!!
I’m sure you’ll never see this but I’ve been watching your videos for years and the outro song always hits me with crazy nostalgia so thank you for never changing it.
I see you
My headcanon has always been that there *can* be more than two Sith; you just can't legally have more than two Sith in your... uh... adventuring party.
Apprentice you thought dead turns out to still be alive with robot legs after you've already started training a new apprentice? Fine.
That ex-apprentice goes off and decides he's the Master and his little brother is the Apprentice in a whole different Sith duo? Fine.
Train a bunch of Dark Side Force users, including your Hands, your Inquisitors, your Dark Jedi, and probably a bunch of others that I'm forgetting, but only one Apprentice? Fine.
Your current Apprentice takes on an Apprentice of his own to try and usurp you? Okay, you should probably kill at least one of them just because it's the smart thing to do, but not doing so isn't a violation of the Rule of Two on *your* part.
Train two or more Apprentices at the same time? Now you're in "violating the Rule of Two" territory, and Darth Bane's Holocron is probably going to be so offended it Vonduun crab armor into a dragon with you inside.
Thank you so much for bringing the old school ending back! :)
My own canon reason for this was always that Sidious thought himself too powerful to be betrayed by an apprentice, even if they took one themselves.
And about sidious letting maul live after mandalore, maul was more like a sith rival at that point as sidious says to him in anger before they dueled. Sidious doesn't recruit or enslave maul either, he imprisons him and uses him to draw out mother talzin as shown in the comics if I recall correctly.
Correct. He used him. The whole thing was a trap. Dooku was supposed to be captured. He was the bait.
4:43 - FORCE SENSITIVE ASIANS
That had me dying 😂
Excellent at math and force sensitive, truly a force to be reckoned with
It's been a while since we've got to enjoy a nice lore video.
YES! THE OLD OUTRO! ❤
Palpatine: "Who needs the rule of two, when I'll just exist forever :)"
Ayye the old outros back!!
I’m glad you changed the name of the video, I already guessed it was about this though.
My headcanon here is based on Darth Plaguis and Rise of Skywalker stuff - which is that *actually* the Sith aren’t really that interested in a rule of two at all. That Plagueis effectively had an acolyte that he could attempt to transfer his consciousness into when he was close to death. That then makes it clear why Palpatine was so excited about Anakin originally - more force power, and then more interested in Luke when he turned up because there was an opportunity to skip over the mutilated body of Vader. This probably doesn’t respect canon as it stands, but it makes way more sense to me than the other rule of two stuff
We need a new tales of the jedi or something to recontextualize the rule.
Have it be revealed that darth bane with his 5000 IQ made the rule to dupe the jedi (like yoda) into thinking there were literally only 2 sith, so the jedi could be fooled into thinking they eradicated the sith order after killling 2 people.
Yes, The rule is a lie. Misinformation to trick the jedi. they think Ventress is the apprentice and dooku is the master, and we are done. Makes me yearn for Darth Jar-Jar as Palpy's hidden master.
Darth plagueis himself said very few sith actually honored the rule of two.
#AskEck Could you cover some of the smaller stories such as the ones from The Lost Tribes of the Sith, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Empire, New Republic, Jabbas Palace, or Mos Eisley Cantina? Millennium Falcon, or ESPECIALLY Crucible would be amazing as well. There's a lotta lore that I have trouble summarizing in them and, especially with Lost Tribes and Millennium Falcon, wild and somewhat outlandish subplots that tie into thousands of years of stories and widen aspects of the force and create that sense of mystery of the force I experienced when reading the Old Republic stories for the first time and seeing all the force abilities. Hell Millennium Falcon even explains why you can see it in episode 3 going to the senate building. I know that's a lot, but any of this would be content I haven't really seen covered before.
Palpatine follow the "Rule for thee not for me"
Palpatines' plans vis-a-vis the Dark Empire and the Skywalker family reminds me a lot of the book God Emperor of Dune, with the immortal Emperor Leto II Atreides, and his underlings being the descendents of his sister Ghanima and Farad'n Corrino. Very interesting.
I like to think that some Sith Lords bent the rule of two, as they likely recognized that having one Apprentice could put the Sith in danger of being killed off or to ensure they had the best Apprentice! Palpatine had Maul while he himself was still an Apprentice, but Maul was more of a Sith assassin, who Palpatine thought dead after the Battle on Naboo and by the time Maul's survival was made known, Palpatine had a far better Apprentice in Dooku, with Anakin being groomed as a younger more powerful replacement! Palpatine also did adhere to the Rule of Two at times like when he ordered Dooku to kill Ventress, to eliminate the possibility of Dooku trying to usurp him as Master!
The Inquisitiors were more Dark Jedi by design than true Sith, though they also served to keep Vader on his toes less one of them prove themselves worth of replacing him! This ensured neither the Inquisitors nor Vader could usurp him Vader would be too busy keeping them in line while the Inquisitors were focused on hunting Jedi and avoiding Vader's wrath!
Classic ending makes me so happy!
I just have to say I love this kind of thing. Never change
heh this was a fun video eck, thank you......and RESONANCE!!! ❤️🔥
30 seconds ago is impecable
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#AskEck,
Did the Empire televise (or whatever the Star Wars equivalent is) the battle of Endor? If it had gone right, it would have demonstrated the power of the Death Star as well as show the Empire’s effective response to the Rebel Alliance?
Palpatine: They're more what you'd call guidelines then actual rules
Man I miss being interested in Star wars. But videos like this help me remember why I loved it.
Its EU, it's history. The sith.
Oh he followed the rule of two. He had TWO OF THEM ZAPPY FISTS
What Palpatine really needed was a Goauld sarcophagus.
3:33 - I agree! I'd say it was more likely bending the rule a bit, in order to ensure he had the best Apprentice possible! After all Dooku was older and still thought too much like a Jedi (he also likely saw Dooku as a political threat as he was charismatic and understood politics in a way Anakin did not)! Anakin was the chosen one and struggled with being pulled towards the Dark Side for most of his life as a Jedi!
Palpatine's greatest flaw of character was his ego; his certainty in believing he was the culmination of the Sith/ rule of 2. Idk ol' Sheevus gets under my skin lol
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I mean a lot easier to follow rule of two when not in power so makes sense
Rule of two is bullshit. You need a sith lord with battle meditation in each fleet
But then every sith lord with a battle fleet wants to be Galactic Emperor. 😂
What do you think caused so much civil war in the late Roman Empire? @@patricktorres4226
@@patricktorres4226Palpatine had middle management Sith.
They're more more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules....
4:44 "force sensitive asians" my favourite kind of asians.
Imho, the rule of two was never really broken. Maul was never moulded to be a sith lord but rather a sith assassin. Dooku was trained enough to be more powerful than his jedi self but not powerful enough to overthrow palpatine. Having a second apprentice doesn’t necessarily break the rule of two because once the apprentices are powerful enough they’ll be made to kill each other. The surviving apprentice becomes the formal apprentice of the sith lord. It’s in a way to lessen the risk by spreading out power holders in case one of them got discovered by the jedi.
And yes iirc, palpatine did intend to move towards the rule of one.
Frankly I always thought that Palpatine was lying about that.
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I've been watching you for a few years now. Absolutely love your content. I watched Star Wars for the first time in 2020 (it was Episode V), when I was 9 or 10 at the time. Afterwards, your content really boosted my interest in Star Wars. I wanted to expand my knowledge and understanding of Star Wars Legends, or generally the non-canon side of Star Wars (the stuff not in the movies or TV shows). I wanted to ask where to start and which books to read in what order. I do hope you see this comment. Keep up the great work!!
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I think Eck’s covered this a little in the past! Here’s a video from 6 years ago covering where to start with legends:
ruclips.net/video/QVA7z9fKoAA/видео.htmlsi=dh2yIxzu3_ftZf9c
Personally, I started reading legends mostly in the prequel era, Plagueis, Kenobi, the rise of Darth Vader, and the RotS novel are all personal favorites of mine
@guerilla_gorilla6267 wow, thanks! I'll definitely be watching it.
I love the sith, it's like pirates with the pirate code, the rules that sith have are more like guidelines than anything else.
2. Additional points
1. Bane also violated The Rule of Two
2. Palpatine and Darth Bane both tried to brake the ultimate chain of their code.
Darth Bane violating The Rule of Two was done by trying to create a Rule of One; Him. In the final chapters of the Darth Bane books he was taught and tried the method to take over the body of his apprentice resulting his spirit lives on forever (spoiler for the book; it failed ).
Reason was the same why Palpatine tried to, which is the 2nd point breaking the ultimate chain; death
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Death is the ultimate chain that binds everyone. So breaking it is the ultimate goal.
And we see the opposite happening with the Jedi. When someone dies they say don't be sad but rejoice because they're one with the force.
The rule of Two is a method to achieve victory against the Jedi but also a means to an end to achieving immortality. That's why we saw Palpatine create clones and why Vader was slowly changed from apprentice to enforcer, like Maul.
We see this Rule of One in all Sith stories where a Sith found a way to immortality. Never in those stories you only meet the master and a cult fallowing, but never the apprentice because there's no need for an apprentice to carry on the research.
Sidious took Dooku when it seemed Maul was dead, and he spared the latter so he could use him to kill Talzin.
While I believe Palpatine did violate the rule of two, I don't believe leaving Maul alive is one of his many violations! When Maul was cut in half by Kenobi that was it, Palpatine believed Maul was dead and he found Dooku as a placeholder until Anakin was ready. When he discovers Maul is alive and captures him on Mandalore, it's to rout out Mother Talzin. Maul is dead to Sidious, he would never come back as a Sith or even an assassin, he was just to be a tool to end a threat before being cast aside. When Darth Cognus's apprentice Darth Millennial betrayed her to create The Dark Force she didn't even bother to hunt him down and end his cult, which lasted even up to the days of the Empire and I don't think that counts as a violation of the rule of two. Anyway this is my interpretation.
Ah yes, the Rule of Two an idea spawned off of a single throwaway line in Episode I. And of course this makes sense, because the Sith are famously rule followers.
The core element of the Rule of Two was that there would be only one Master and one Apprentice, with maybe either training a secret apprentice just in case the Master got tired of his official apprentice or the Apprentice decided that their were ready to replace his Master. Any other Sith, were either tools or acolytes, neither not brought into the Ro2 or the Plan. But each Sith Master seemed to have their own understanding of it and often came to believe themselves to be beyond such rules, at least near the end of that era.
With Palpatine and Vader? Palpatine saw that he had fulfilled the Sith Plan under the Rule of Two, and let’s face it, few in history would have been powerful enough to stand up to them. The other Darksiders or Force Users under him like the Inquisitors, his secret Hands and the Darkside prophets, were nowhere their own strength in the Force, some of whom weren’t even fully trained, and those that knew much about the others, were kept at odds with each other in competition to outperform the other nor were they brought into the Sith religion. The only one that saw themselves as Sith that I can think of was Lumiya from the old Marvel comics long before she was brought into the old EU continuity. I just don’t like how the Inquisitors are organized in the new canon as not only are they directly under Vader’s command, but seem to work together more like a team than I remember of them in the Legends EU.
Man Papa Palps straight up invented the rule of 1,5
I think the rule of two was for when the Sith is hiding in the shadows. When the Sith is at the forefront of galactic domination, it probably needs the manpower more than the secrecy.
For the life of me I can’t remember what book it was, but at some point there’s a palpatine POV chapter and he says to himself that once he’s figured out immortality he’ll keep the rule of two going, but just for the sake of tradition. So yeah, palps is just gonna do whatever palps wants to do.
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So there is this lore book called the Book of the Sith that came out somewhere between the prequels and Disney canon. This book is a disjointed gathering of various lore from games, stories and so forth, annotaited by both Jedi, Sith and ol' Palpy himself. One chapter, written by Palps, speficially states his plans for the galaxy and talks about the abolisment of the Rule of Two. Insteads, he would adopt the Rule of One, specifically _his_ rule. He would supported by people trained in the dark side, but not to the full extend of a true Sith would be and with various weaknesses that only he knows about. Tools, not apprentices. He would live forever through cloning and mind transfer.
Of course, how accurate this remains is a point of debate considering this book also talks about the Sith forging their own crystals instead of this 'bleeding' crystal thing, nor does it dismissing the 'turn your lightsaber off during combat' trick (which appeared in the _Jedi_ companion book of all things), so...
I will however say that apparently Sith ghosts do not like ol' Palpy, from what I understand, so the bit about him introducing the Rule of One is something I take as still tenious canon unless told otherwise.
When Palpatine beat Maul he said to Maul that there could only be two
Why would Palpatine respect the Sith? The Rule of Two Era was full of Sith who thought they were going to be the one and disrespected the other Sith. Palpatine's apprentices weren't really ever full Sith, just had their titles or were around with red lightsabers but never went Sith to the extent Palpatine did. Instead of ruling with Sith Power, he just had his apprentice be the Sith and he more or less technology in his empire while he researched the Dark Side.
The Ancient Sith are all people would despise Palaptine's way of doing things and if we're honest, all the Sith would be 100% jealous that they weren't the one the put the Jedi in their place. Palpatine doesn't respect other Sith and they wouldn't respect him but it's not important because Palpatine is the one that put the Jedi down, not for good but basically humiliated them all.
It's funny how the Jedi adopted the Rule of Two, they just got rid of the dying part and made it more of an until the apprentice graduates thing. The Sith should have done the same, but of course, Bane is an extreme misanthrope so he couldn't help it.
I think the Rule of Two takes conflict between Sith into account. The apprentice will always want to kill the master and take their place, then take an apprentice of their own. The master will pit two apprentices against each other and continue training the one that survives (consider Anakin vs Dooku there even if Anakin didn't know it yet). Palpatine told Maul that he had been replaced, and since Maul had his own apprentice, he was now a rival. After Maul was defeated and Savage killed, Palpatine no longer saw him as a threat, thus not a Sith. No matter how it plays out, conflict between Sith will whittle the population down to two - a master and an apprentice.
I always think of Palpatine as the ultimate Neutral Evil. He would have burned the universe if it benefitted him. He would have burned the dark side of the force and lived giving to the poor and the sick if it benefitted him. He had no loyalty to anything but himself.
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I know it's sci-fi, but is there an in-universe explanation as to why people don't just go flying when a ship enters/exits hyperspace? People dont seem to be strapped in, so when a ship accelerates or deccelaretes due to hyperspace, you'd think everyone would be smashing against their ships' walls.
It takes two to make a thing go right
It takes two to make it outasight
Nothing else justifies the rule of two more than this lyric
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.
#AskEck I had a doubt, how could the Sith become force ghosts, essentially binding their souls to certain objects or places. If so, why wasn’t it seen as an alternate to the jedi way of becoming an apparition of the force.
Bro wanted to live forever, the rule of two involves a student killing a teacher. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I WONDER WHY HE DID NOT WENT THROUGH WITH IT.
It seems like the most Sith thing to do is ignore the code.
bro is following the rule of me
Lucas explained it in an interview... two Sith is just what happens when a bunch of backstabbers fight for power. The EU expanded it into doctrine and tried to explain it while George Lucas just shrugged and kept adding a ton of Sith! 😂
His explanation also makes way more sense with the OT. If there's a rule of two why is Vader trying to protect Luke and Palpatine at the same time? He should have let Palpatine take a saber to the face and watched Luke get corrupted and called it a day.
I can’t believe the guy who lies, cheats, murders, and kidnaps babies also doesn’t follow the rules.
#askeck In season 6 episode 1 of TCW. We hear general Tiplee mention a rumor of an anti clone virus. Could this be related to the clone gas Dr. Hemlock uses in the bad batch? We know he knows the emperor and vise versa. Palps could've been funding this off to the side during the clone wars in case somethung happened to the clones, since he was all about contingency plans.
The Rule of Two are more like guidelines than actual rules…
But seriously the Sith were their own worst enemy. Plotting, backstabbing and paranoia must have been commonplace and don’t must have been difficult to maintain any kind of faction cohesion with multiple Darths running around.
When your bad, there are no rules😎
-- Darth Sidious probably
I am curious if the gundam universe would survive in the start war galaxy if the solar system is put in the unknown region and it would be one year after the one year war
#AskEck why didn't the first order use tie interceptors instead of tie fighters because I thought interceptors were better all round starfighters than the tie fighters and I believe the empire was slowly phasing out the tie fighter for the interceptor
Simple, his apprentices sucked
It a more what you would call a guideline than an actual rule.
The rule of two was known to the jedi, so if there are 2 known sith other than palpatine they would likely assume they knew the identies of all the sith.
Reading the comments there's definitely a major misconception as to what the Rule of Two actually is. It's not JUST a philosophy that Bane created. According to Lucas it's an inevitability. Almost like a natural law of the universe itself like gravity. When a large number of Sith flock together, without fail they will eventually gang up on each other in an attempt to become the leader. And when the dust settles only two will remain alive--one stronger, one weaker. A Master and Servant.
Bane realized this. And he also saw that weaker Sith will team up to take down stronger Sith, which leads to a weaker Sith being in charge. A Sith wanting to overthrown their master is a natural thing, and by doing so by yourself it proves that you are the stronger Sith. This is why Bane based his philosophy around the Rule of Two. Even though Bane took on Cognus to replace Zannah, he still fought Zannah one on one.
It because it used to be all about vader and palps, so writers noticed there's 2 of them and retconned in darth bane and "the rule of 2"
Then, more contrarian writers pointed out that at times a franchise needs more than just 2 central antagonists, especially if you've got a long running franchise, and action figures to sell.
So they retconned instances where the archetype example of the rule of 2, vader and palps, didn't follow "the rule of 2"
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The rule of two means that there is only one person below the Sith master, the apprentice, that can challenge the ruler. It doesnt mean there are no other people capable of using the force in the empire. An inquisitor is just a dark force wielder, he is no Sith, and he has no right whatsoever to become emperor. Just like (and thats mistaken very often) a force wielder is not a Jedi. A Jedi is someone who learned the way of the Jedi (and graduated), not a birthright because that person can wield the force.
Euh, where are the clips around the 5 minutes mark from??
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How did the bothans develop their spy ring and keep it strong during the empire? Love you bro as well
I don't believe Sidious cared so much about following ancient Sith rules - he was interested in power & the destruction of the Jedi - he used whatever means got him to those ends. that would explain his "violations" of the Rule of Two.
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I was wondering why we don't see a lot more people in the Star Wars universe waking around with robotic limbs. In the movies it looks like they can pretty easily replace human parts with very few drawbacks. Is there something in the expanded lore that explains the lack of cyborg-esque people running around?
Luke's artificial hand was covered in realistic-looking skin, so I would guess that other people could have cybernetic limbs that look like organic limbs at a glance.
could be many can afford to have sythflesh to cover the robotic limbs, like Luke did early on in Return of the Jedi (before it got shot during the fight on the sail barge)
Wasn’t there that whole pre-krayt Rule of One? A Sith Lord so powerful they wouldn’t need to train a replacement thing
Maybe you’re thinking of Jacen. Or Vitiate but that was before the rule of two
What is that video playing at like 5 min
Even Bane violates the rule of two.
The rule of two was a really stupid retcon imo. Like its all based off the idea that the master is ok with getting offed by their apprentice at any given time, which especially makes no sense if Plagius was searching for immortality.
Imo the sith should have just agreed to go into hiding and let their greed and inherent evil make them betray one another until Phantom Menace where there were only two left. Like why abide by the rule of two if you know it means your untimely death at some point?
This is the basic conceptual flaw in the Rule of Two metafictionally. But I do think the question of whether Palpatine was the greatest or worst Sith ever is pretty fun
is the rules of two a rule or just guidelines
The three eye sith buisness guy darth capitalism or whatever his name is makes me laugh everytime i see him
Didn’t Sideous just continually upgrade his second by going from Maul to Dooku to Anakin?
#AskEck!: Do only dark side users use Force Lightening? Having only seen the movies, I've never known if light side users could also use Force Lightening.
I believe Plo Koon has his own version called Force Judgement or something. Kind of a different colored lightning though not the same as the actual Force Lightning
Correct, although he calls his form of lightning electric judgement @@wingedangel6030
Dark side/red mage/ grey jedi
Remember that needs rage to power and the Yoda poem etc
He did follow the rule of 2. That only applies to sith lords. Palpatine and Maul, then Palpatine and Dooku, then Palpatine and Vader. Jedi that fall to the darkside don't count because they aren't sith lords. They would be equivalent to knights on the light side.
Now Palpatine trained some assassins to use the darkside like mara jade ect.... the assassins training was incomplete. He trained them up enough to be dangerous not to lordship.
The sixth broke a rule. Omg now way
No he did not, since maul is no longer hes apprentice but rival. Also, for the longest time, Palpatine though Maul was dead, so he took second apprentice (Dooku), that have been earlier working for him as a spy, but not yet granted title of apprentice since Maul was alive. Now that he find out he was alive, he went there originally to kill him, or use him in hes own purposes. In this case, he plan to use him, but the series got cancel before they could get to that, and instead quickly wrap it so that order 66 could happen.
There can only two siths (master and apprentice) at any given time, however, that does not exclude having more "disposable force users", like inquisitors. However, these inquisitors ware not true siths, not even close. They ware haphazardly train, poorly organize, and pretty much just insult to injury for jedi order. This can be seen in Star wars rebels, when when Kanan fights against Grand inquisitor, defeating him eventually, but when Vader comes out next, there is nothing he can do, and even mention that this was not typical inquisitor, but something else.
With this kinda logic, could it not be possible that Dooku have two apprentice too since he fail to kill them both? (Savage and Ventress)
Most Sith don't seem to have strictly follow the Rule of Two, Sith tend not to be "rules people" after all.
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Why is anyone shocked by Sith not following rules?
The Rule of 2 doesn't make sense at a basic level.
The master trains the apprentice until the apprentice is powerful enough to kill the master and take their place proving they are more powerful. Makes sense... until you think about it at all.
1. The master doesn't want to die, so they covet their secrets and don't teach their apprentice everything so when they die, mysteries of the force that they uncovered will almost always be lost every generation.
2. Students don't always learn what teachers teach them. Just because you were in a sith algebra class with someone who was amazing at sith algebra doesn't make you amazing at sith algebra, if you are just bad at sith math or you don't care about it, you wont apply yourself. So when it comes to teach your students... no sith algebra.
3. The Apprentice is supposed to prove they are ready to be the master by killing their master using what the master taught them. But almost every sith we know of, used deception and tricked their master somehow, they didn't overpower them, they killed them in their sleep, poisoned them, sabotaged their ship, dropped rocks on their head while they werent looking...
Furthermore, random things happen in the universe, Say Darth Plagueis takes on Palpatine, starts training him, a year later Plagues' ship is attacked by pirates looking to take on a big banking clan score Plaueis is killed, Palpatine isnt a sith master, he may not even have the name sidious yet, the rule of two just got set back 1000 years.