The Day Lost Died
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An exploration into the history of Lost, the mixed legacy the show left behind, and the one episode that sparked the show's downfall.
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@@granderf8 that show lived from start to finish though
The flash on cw
Edit: actually the entire arrowverse would work but I think flash would be the most interesting one to hear your take on
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Mysteries aside, LOST propped up character development and interaction more than MOST modern shows even fucking dare to. And it did it well.
Exactly. The back stories and character developments made up for the story line being all over the place. Which is why I’ve rewatched Lost about 4-5x lol mostly to pass the time when I’m bored.
THE best in that department, I'd say.
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Absolutely agree, how do you cast such a large show and give everyone a back story and also make them likeable. Casting and Characters is what kept me tuning in each week...
I feel like the people who truly appreciate Lost are the ones who understand thats its a story about a bunch of characters who don't realize how connected they are, and how they grow, that happens to take place on a crazy mysterious island. Not a story about a crazy mysterious island.
Despite the flash sideways, and some stumbles....LOST is still one of the best stories ever told on TV. Highly re-watchable.
What was wrong with the flash sideways?
Seethi C personally, I’ve grown to accept them as they are. However, serving only as an epilogue of sorts for the story, they are shoehorned into each episode causing distraction and bloat. More importantly, people walked away from the final season believing they all actually died in the crash, in purgatory, etc while the story was actually very straight forward. I get what they were trying to accomplish but the execution was lousy and confused everyone. Still, best series ever.
I still cant re-watch it.
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Eddie Vargas I would tend to disagree. Seeing, for example, the Jack and Locke dynamic in the afterlife is essential to me for a complete story, without it the entire lesson of the show is null and void.
What fascinates me the most is how so many people STILL hate the finale based solely on the incorrect presumption that it confirms that "they were dead the whole time."
Not solely on that, the fact the writing for the final season was truly awful and hard to watch
Steve Debono You speak for yourself, but a lot of people DO hate it for that reason alone.
@@MLennholm did u enjoy the final seasons writing?
Steve Debono Not really. Honestly I don’t remember much because I haven’t watched it since it first aired. At least I understood the ending though.
Yeah I never understood how anyone came to that conclusion.
Still 100 times better than the GoT ending.
Man... you might be right. But that's not saying much.
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Lost Goth true!
Remove the word ending
Lost was 1000 times worse. Not even close.
The pilot legit blew my mind. I was hooked from the beginning. Also Desmond ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Loved Desmond also. If Jack's character was a real man I would fall hard for him.
As a heterosexual male, I also ❤️ Desmond.
DementorsKiss Jack...blah, I loved Sawyer!
Desmond was my favorite as well. That's coming from a straight man
Desmond is legit one of the best characters in any TV show
Lost never died.
It was, it is and it will be forever.
@DillyDyson007 I don't think so
it died in season 3.
@@orangewarm1 According to who? You? That's just opinion. Means nothing
@@orangewarm1 I am at season 3 rn and it is awesome!
DillyDyson007 It was deserving of death from the first episode. It just lingered on and on.
The characters of Lost made up for storyline issues, for me. By the end, i didn't know what was going on, but I didn't really care. So much heart break, sweet moments, thought provoking story lines. It's a great show and very rewatchable
Being a insane fan of the show back in the days, I was so afraid of rewatching it. Thought that I would realice it was not that great. I was wrong. Even now, is one of the best TV shows you can watch. The production values on the first 3 seasons is incredible. Best show ever.
realize
I'll see you in another life, brotha.
I really enjoyed all of the lost seasons, each time i rewatch i find more in it, do agree with some of these points though.
I get why people who were invested in the mythology and came up with all kinds of theories didn’t like the ending, but I connected with the characters and found every answer given fulfilling, personally
I agree, but I think this is the fatal flaw of the show. I love rewatching Lost, gets better every time, but that's a LOT to ask of your audience when there's over a hundred hours of your show. Unfortunately, that's how it had to work in order for the show to be so genius.
@@lyramsr At the time, it was being marketed as scientifically accurate. So a lot of peoples expectations (including my own) about the direction of the show were that it would be a logically consistent ending, rather than magic. That said, after I thought about it, there was already a lot of magic in the show (Richards immortality, smoke monster etc) I just didn't have enough information to come to those conclusions at the time due to the cards being held so close to their chest. I, and probably others too, just expected some sci-fi explanation. Which is likely the direction the fan theories took that led to the disappointment in the actual ending.
That said, the ending resolves all it needs to and once I'd watched it again, I was satisfied with it.
I remember I really enjoyed season 5 because I thought we were going to get a lot of answers with the whole time travel thing. I even had a theory that the food drop the group gets back in season 2 (I think it was season 2) was actually sent forward in time and came from the past when the Dharma Initiative was active. But no the writers just said that was a confirmed plot hole. Like really?
I agree
I binge watch this show every two years or so. Each time I watch it, I see more things I didn't see before. I respect the opinion in this video, but I say the show gave us much more than "bread crumbs" along the way. And while I 'hated' the end when it originally aired, I've got a completely different interpretation by the time I watched it the fourth time. That's not by accident, that's because the show gave us enough to fill in the blanks that perhaps they didn't have time to. After all, who better to do it? I didn't have to worry about schedules, coming in under budget and making money. I could simply ponder the show at my leisure.
I think the difference between a cheesy and a sentimental ending is the quality of the story that came before it
"Across the Sea" is an episode I often point to, as well, for being problematic. A big reason I find it problematic is that it stops the story near the finish line to give us the sympathetic backstory to the man who killed Sun and Jin, the episode right after they died.
From my point of view, that's not when I want that information. I have no sympathy for this man. He just killed two of my favorite characters. I am not going to empathize with him right now. You should have given me this information several episodes earlier, made me question my judgement of the man in black, maybe even get me starting to root for him, only to have that rug yanked out when he tries to kill my heroes. Giving me this information after the fact makes me not care about the information. It's just a failure to understand how we as humans receive information, and the fact that timing of the release of information is just as important as the information itself.
Yeah, that episode probably should have had a different placement. I also wish it was a two-parter to learn more about the twins, Mother, and the people who set up a society on the island.
Don’t tell me what I can’t do!
12:32 best character
Fun Guy indeed
Phenomenal episode.
Locke was more badass than the writers allowed him to be
This mentality is why the coronavirus is going to stick around for longer than it should.
My ONLY major complaint was Adam and Eve in the cave. They have multiple opportunities to make those skeletons significant (Rose and Bernard, Kate and Jack, or even Desmond and Penny). But no, you made it two characters that we meet at the very end of the whole series. That felt like a massive waste of an opportunity.
Lost was never about the ending, it was about the ride
I remember saying basically the same thing to my friend after it ended. Something to the effect of it's not always your final destination but the road we take to get there...
Still believe that
@@stevenhoward1233 that's just an excuse, we should expect more of writers. It was great, but amounted to nothing.
Only that the ending made the ride completely pointless. If you knew the ending beforehand, would you have watched the entire thing?
@@byungbin1395 Totally, re-watched already.
@@byungbin1395 I disagree. Although the show fails to answer some things it put up in early seasons, the finale left me strangely satisfied and I can't wait to see it again.
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i find that I and a lot of newer lost fans have a different and unique experience, and why it is loved by newer fans. I started watching lost in 2013, 3 years after it finished and I have re-watched it every summer since then. I absolutely love lost and i think the reason is because i wasnt part of the community that were figuring out the mysteries, I instead watched it with my own opinions and focused in on how great the characters are. I always say dont watch lost for the mysteries, watch it for the characters. lost is my favourite show of all time and that is because of the beautiful character stories and arcs
I think this is a healthy take, but if I'm just watching for the characters, and not the mysteries, then I'm wasting a lot of my time because a significant portion of the show is setting up mysteries.
I watched it as it aired and didn't join in on the theories because I didn't want any spoilers. You don't know the struggle of waiting months possibly years between seasons! Being able to binge it now is a different experience, possibly making it much more enjoyable as I don't have to wait for the next episode if I don't want to!
I agree
I really don’t understand people who dislike a video so quick. Who are these people?
The ending was pretty bad especially they supposed to have volcano on finale
it says 0 dislikes for me, but I know what you mean. These are questions mankind will never know the answers to...
who cares about the dislike ratio anyway...
Lol I just wrote the same thing, I saw the video posted 14min 4 dislikes the video is 17 min long
No matter how good or harmless a video is, it always is going to have a small percentage of dislikes. The reasons may be:
- People who disagree w/ the video.
- People who dislike lost, and feel like they have to dislike when they don't like the subject on a video.
- People who have no idea how likes and dislikes works
- Babies who accidentally press the dislike button.
I didn't have the experience of even acknowledging Lost while it was running. I was still a bit bitter about the X-Files constantly promising revelations but never quite delivering. So I waited until it was over and streamed it a few years later. The ending wasn't a disappointment because I simply hadn't had the time between episodes to build much anticipation.
I liked the final episode of Lost. Sue me.
I'm not the only one! I also think the show got better each season.
Me too, although i despise the last 10 minutes. Very patronising
@@j1mmysp1der How's it patronizing?
I liked it. Maybe not loved it but thought it could’ve been way worse...
I might
loved this
Thanks!
Jarvis what are you doing here
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Jarvis why are you everywhere
Great video
In retrospect I really love the show
Any show that 9 years later I can still remember and love those characters must mean something....
Thanks!
COMPLETELY AGREE. I've never had another experience like I did watching Lost. By the end of the second season, I was made aware of the DarkUFO community debating theories, people posting articles daily discussing and exploring each episode. It was amazing and added so much to watching the show itself. Lost will always have a special place in my memory because of this, and even now almost 10 years later, another show still has not even come close to what this show was (and I watch a lot of TV). It didn't end great, but the journey was fantastic... and to be honest I don't think i'll ever have a similar experience again. I watch TV differently now, as do many others. Lost was the last show that I would atcually watch week to week, and that was necessary to give you time to digest the episode and talk to others about it. Now I find shows I want to watch and I watch a season relatively quickly (one episode a day normally). Great video.
LOST has he exact same ending as Titanic:
- Rose dies in her sleep and is transported back to the Titanic where she is reunited with everyone who died including Jack, and as they kiss the scene is washed out in white light before transitioning to the end credits
- Jack dies on the island while in the flashsideways he is reunited with everyone he survived with on the island. The scene is washed with light and fades out as Jack then finally closes his eyes and dies.
I watched this show as a teenager and good or bad it strongly impressed me. After all these years when I saw charlie's death scene in your video it gave me goose bumps, and I guess it would be the same for many other strong moments in the show. It will always have a different feeling for me.
YES! I've been saying this for years. "Across the Sea" is really the episode that we didn't need. Also, the last 2min of the finale.
If you liked Lost for the characters, you may find the ending satisfying.
If you liked Lost for the mythology of the Island and wanted answers, you def hated the ending. (Agree both worked to make the show what it was.)
I was part of the former, and "Across the Sea" still ruined it for me.
Also, let's not play down the effect this show had on all the other shows you love.
Lost really needed an AMC, FX, HBO, Netflix, Hulu, etc. run to be one of the best shows.
Just look at showrunner Lindelof's follow-up show "The Leftovers" on HBO to get a sense of what happens when you don't have one of the big-4 controlling your creative output.
Even the Marketing was different -
Lost: You will get all the answers.
Leftovers: You will get no answers, only more questions.
What's wrong with the last 2 minutes?
Season 5 wasnt the most acclaimed season, but I loved it from beginning to end. When they resurrected Sayid, things started to go downhill. They just spent a whole season explaining Dead is Dead, then total deus ex machina. And the Man in Black had so much potential that felt unreached.
dead is dead, what happened happened. Really' great 'messages.
I also feel like Charles Widmore had a lot of untapped potential
I love Lost. I went to the final Comic-Con panel. It was a great closure for me and the show. Great analysis and great last quote. It was about the journey. Being with the characters and learning about them and how they progress. I remember first watching with with my family. Then I had fun conversations with friends. I enjoyed the ending bc it was great to see them all together again. I had just moved it was like a reunion. I was away from my actual family but I had the show. Most if not all shows the final ending can never live up to the entirety of the show. Plus the feeling of losing something or something ending just can be painful. It was the best ending for me. Most of the main mysteries were explained. Like in life we can never know everything. Or be 💯 about everything. Knowing no ending can do it justice, I think them going with the ending they did just helped in some way with most fans with the grief of lose. The idea that we all die separately but maybe there is a moment our selves reunite one last time. It’s a beautiful afterlife they made. All the people we care about and hoped that they cared about us we get to see a final time. Like the final quote. It was closure that left us open to re-explore the show. I don’t go back and watch episodes anymore. But the ones I recall I remember those times in my life. ✌️
I've always thought that the season 5 finale is a superior series finale to that of season 6. It would be more ambiguous, but more satisfying with the death of Jacob and the distinct posibility that the entire story is being re-started.
it's been 11 years since I watched LOST and it still hunt me until now
🌴 it's simply the best 🌴
The flashsideways had nothing to do with saving the island or defeating the man in black? The flashsideways only exists because they saved the island. The light that engulfs them in the church is the same light as on the island. The flashsideways exists inside the light. Phenomenal, next level story telling.
It's not next level and phenomenal if the audience can't understand it.
They never gave us any clues that the sideways flashes were a purgatory, and I spent all of season 6 thinking that they were some sort of alternate timeline
Camilo Rollie that’s what you’re supposed to think until they finally reveal that they are in purgatory in the last episode
@@amil6353 Purgatory doesn't exist in the show. Purgatory is basically a temporary stay in Hell to pay for your sins. Afterlife in Lost is just about people finding each other. Not really a purgatory.
@@amil6353 I know, but the revelation wasn't fully clear either
Camilo Rollie what’s so interesting about a story that is just spelled out for the viewer? I hate watching movies at night now. I’m usually too tired to really dedicate my attention. I like watching in the weekend mornings.
It's amazing how Lindelof ended The Leftovers so brilliantly though, after the disjointed end to Lost.
The feelings articulated by this video are spot on but geez, this is the second LOST retrospective I've seen that didn't deal with the NUMBERS! And I love how all the commenters who've talked themselves into thinking the ending was even close to satisfying. Face it, you wasted 6 years of your life on this show that they can't give you back! Denial ain't just a river...
Lost had me from the beginning and all the way through, I come back years later and watched it again. I could watch parts of season 5 over and over! I've heard people comparing MANIFEST to lost but it will never compare for me. Nothing will match the cast and characters of lost
The greatest show ever with the greatest character ever. I still remember watching the trailers and the premiere and just falling in love with the show. I still watch it at least once a year. I moderate for people who are reacting to it. I miss LOST.
I'm calling it before watching the video: Exposé or Stranger in a Strange Land. Any of those episodes. The third season in any case.
Shit, 10+ years later I still remember the names of the episodes. I'm such a lostie lol.
Edit: So it was Across the Sea after all. Well yeah, I remember that episode being a complete bummer. But as a fan I was and I will always be with the part of the show that focuses on the characters. To me, LOST wouldn't have been so great if it wasn't for Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Locke, Charlie, Michale, Boone, Sharon, Claire, Jin, Sun, Ana Lucia, Eko, Faraday, Charlotte, Miles, Walt, Jacob, Ben, Richard, Juliet, etc. The mysteries were cool but I swear I was more invested in the personal fights between them. I knew thwy won't answer every single thing they put out there. Some are a little bit frustrating like the name of the Man in Black but come on, it's necessary to waste time revealing what the Hurley bird was or why the bodies in the cave had those stones??
I remember watching all those LOST copycats until they get boring or cancelled. They were missing the character factor, the drama factor. ANyone can make a show about wierd mysteries but they didn't had what LOST had until the very end.
I loved the video. I suggest Heroes (S2) or Prison Break (S3) for the next episodes of this series.
I think my favorite part of Westworld is Rodrigo Santoro redeeming himself for how bad Expose was.
Man I'm rewatching lost now. I really think season 3 is the lowest point. At least it goes mental on the latter part.
I 100% called this being the episode being the focus as soon as you said Season 3
i hated season 5, the whole time travel thing
Yeah, Season 3 was super slow. It ramped up near the end.
The 2nd half of season 3 was great. Not season 1 or 2 great, but still worthy. Hurley finding the Dharma van was one of my favorite episodes.
S3 is my second favorite season 🤷♂️
I didn't like Nikki and Paulo, I really didn't like how they were introduced, but I did like their final episode. I liked how they didn't really care about the mystery, just their diamonds. Their last episode actually was the only one that made them interesting.
Man, I have so many feelings about LOST. when i got into the show way back when, it was phenomenal. so much love and affection for the characters. it's a shame the way the show ended. like..... a massive bummer. i still love it to this day and is one of my favorite shows and I will defend it despite it's glaring issues. but there's a part of me deep down that wishes we could go back in time and let the writers try again without CEO's and producers pressuring them for financial gain. it's almost as if the show was released ahead of it's time. in the age of television and weekly episodes. if it had come out nowaday in the age of streaming and mini-series, it might've had a coherent and nuanced conclusion.
im probably the only one who loved the show till the very end.
No, there are tons of people who loved it.
@@kuhpunkt No, he is the only one out of all humans on this planet, obviously. The phrasing "(I am) the only one" is so... No.
Nah... me too :)
You sure are
@@KarateEMouse Nah... I did too!
Season 6 is one of my favorite seasons. I'm one of the fans who watched the show week-to-week & absolutely LOVED The End. I don't like having everything spelled out for me; I like putting it together myself & speculating, for instance the light they walk into being the metaphysical light/energy of the island (life, death, rebirth). The flash sideways were interesting because you are looking into the inner psyche of the characters, a reflection of their true struggles. It's very abstract. For example Jack and his "son" David; David represents Jack. We get to see how Jack is now healing from his emotional trama with Christian. I'm so proud of Jack when he finally feels at peace and knows his own worth! This is a show that encourages the viewer to think and ponder, and I'm totally fine with that. In fact I prefer it. I don't need to know every answer, because in real life I don't know every answer either. And this story feels very "real" when it comes to the characters.
I had no problem with Across the Sea; I thought it was great but I wouldn't have minded seeing it at the beginning of the season instead of near the end. But whatever. I agree that ABC marketing caused problems and false expectations. I wish actors would've stayed on so we could've seen more of Libby & Eko, but that's really my only complaint, and I believe they did their best with what they had. For me, LOST never died and it's still my very favorite show of all time.
I loved the ending, it’s my favourite tv show of all time
Yes. And I didn't think it was Purgatory. It was the apocalypse and the apocalypse was averted.
Until next time.
Mine as well
Louyvaton ABSOLUTELY AGREE!
Yes! I agree, the best of all time.
It was all a dream, they were all dead all the time. Talk about lazy. You just need to read more or watch better TV
I loved season 1 and 2 and it died for me personally in season 3 when they introduced a bunch of new characters who really didn't seem to care about acting well. It was then I realized all those leads where going nowhere and it just got more and more convoluted. I still haven't watched season 4 and 5 and 6 and I'm not going back to watch it, but appreciate the video you made Elk. Was pretty sure it would get cancelled, so am happy for the fans that they got to some kind of an end point after all!
Lost is still in my top 3 favourite TV show of all time. What a great ride it was.
Such a great ride. Won't be anything else like it with all the online research.
I literally just finished the show for the first time just a few days ago. And after GoT's ending, I feel much more satisfied with Lost's. You say it seemed rushed, but I guess it came off as dumb but executed with love to me. Much better than GoT's ending because the show runners stopped caring seasons before and just threw it in the trash at the end.
I loved the whole show. The ending had me in tears, but I've also had a lot of people close to me die. I guess for movie/show nerds it wasn't that great. Although, I did binge watch it in a week rather than over 6 years.
Great video. I’ve watched this show in the past and just learned more about the show now. I was confused about Jacobs’s storyline, but understand it more now. I can’t remember how I felt when I watched the final episode in 2010. But I do remember being happy to see all the characters together again and them being happy. It really was a show about the characters and as a viewer I love them. ❤️
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Every decent writer knows that when they present a question, they are agreeing to a contract with the audience, that they know the answer and will either reveal that answer or give the audience tools to answer that question for themselves.
Lost is the perfect example of bad storytelling; the writers should be ashamed of creating questions that they were not talented enough to solve. The craziest part is that Lost is one of the few shows that felt as if the fans were coming up with better theories and putting forth more effort in solving these questions than the writers.
As an audience member, I feel like we should be boycotting the future endeavors of each writer of Lost.
LOST did that mostly very fine. Why are people like you ignoring that? And what theories are actually better than the show? People always say that and I hardly ever see anything that's interesting.
so true, they were creative and added and added plots, but they put too much into the show, so that they lost overview. Besides that, it seemed to me like opening a matrouschka, one riddle after the other, parallels and contexts between the lines, hidden hints for literature, so it could be quite interesting to figure out things, but for the average viewer, it could be too much. The mysteries were not difficult to analyze, but the interaction of the characters, their developpment or regressing, etc.told the story.
4:50 "if a shows making money keep it going." That's a very American idea for TV.
Riding the horse until it dies underneath you was how most all American networks approached their shows
Sorry, but as someone who watched the show years after it ended, the last bit of the video doesn't work for me since I was not part of the theory crafting while it aired. So I and I'm sure others had a very different experience just watching the show as it is. Sure we can look up articles and blog posts, but that is more like reading a wiki article for answers instead of being part of a community trying to decode the show as it airs.
Just thinking of it now, but I hope Westworld doesn't fall into this same pitfall. I think season 1 still holds up very well, but I think season 2 might feel closer to what you talk about here.
This series never "died" to me. I still love each season as I rewatch them. It sucks they were pulled off Netflix though. Some unanswered questions are annoying, like what exactly are "the rules" and what was that circle of ash for in front of Jacob's cabin. Every thing else I feel has been answered. Whether the answer is unfulfilling is a different matter.
It's all on a Hulu, brotha
@@LedbetterBand Oh I know. I got Hulu to watch ER so I was happily surprised when I saw this on there.
"The show was about broken, flawed people finding redemption through community". That's very well put. It's obvious that the show just wanted to be about humans and how we all have to live together despite our differences, but certain themes and elements (like the smoke monster) had to be included to prolong the show. It's another example of how the stories with a show can be impacted by networks wanting 22+ episodes seasons.
The day Lost died is when I realized Kate was going to survive the entire show's run.
No, she is dead at the end. Like all the characters. 😆
@@youtpfpm6097 Yeah, technically they all are.
@@alfredvickers4054 I was wrong when I said all characters were dead. Not sure for Walt, Lapidus and Richard. We don't see them dying, and we don't see them in the flashsideways. So they can still be alive.
@@youtpfpm6097 I guess you're right, not all of them are shown. I wonder why? Richard could hypothetically still be living forever after the cork was popped back in, and the DVD short showed that Walt would have his own story on the island, but where was Lapidus?
@@alfredvickers4054 Ben is the only one who didn't pass on ahha
I loved the ending. I know it didn’t answer every single question, but one of the main points of the show is the mysteries. if every question were to be answered, it’d make the show ultimately pointless, you know?
this show for sure had its flaws, but I really didn’t hate any of it. this show is incredible.
When I hear people praising S2 and crapping on maybe my favorite series finale, I get this feeling like a brain aneurysm is forming in my head.
It was not that they had to cram in as much as they could, it was to build up the story as much as they could before they revealed the back story of Jacob and MIB, they built up that story for 6 seasons and devoted an entire episode for it, par for par that’s pretty much enough footage for a couple or even 3 flashback episodes. The buildup in my opinion made that episode even more powerful, just like Richard Alpert’s backstory.
Lost’s ending in my opinions was a two for one, the flash sideways was a vessel to catalyze the character’s redemptions where they couldn’t have had it otherwise. That’s what the show was about, character redemption.
Like the story that happened with jack on the island, THAT was the ending, everything you saw in the afterlife was just a way to solidify the redemption, something they didn’t even have to let us see but they did.
for me personally lost died at the end of season 3... it was the point i realized there was not gonna be any real satisfactory answer to things i wanted answers too.. none that id personally find satisfactory anyway.. and it felt like it passed a logical end point... everyone was getting off the island, everything could have been wrapped up tightly with an ambiguous yet reasonable answer and from that point on i kept asking myself why it was continuing
I love Benjamin linus and desmond hume character so much..
Azmi Syed Hassan Michael Emerson is great! I was a big fan of Person of Interest too.
@@nhmooytis7058 I loved Person of Interest, although it did go a little bit off the rails towards the end. In my head though Reese and Finch will always be solving mysteries in the library
@@mollymcdade4031 with BEAR!
I liked "The End" not because I had too like it, but because it did give a sense of closure. By that point in the series, I felt it gave the answers that were most important. Not all of them, but enough. My enjoyment of a series never comes from a single episode. LOST had 121 episodes in it's run, I probably enjoyed about... 99 of them (Most of the ones I don't like coming from Season 3). It's hard to stick a landing in shows I've noticed, especially for such a concept series. But I think overall they did a wonderful job!
Lost is one of the reasons the 2000's were so great.
Desperate housewives? Don't forget desperate housewives.
Nice video. I liked the "time to debate with friends and family" part.. it WAS fun to watch LOST after school with friends.
One thing i don't get is how people don't like the ending.. The people who flew away lived a "normal" live. The people who died, got another chance in a mystical parallel world outside of time.. with their memories! Couldn't have ended better imo ^^
Lindelof constantly screws up the stuff he writes. That explanation he gave was a cop out. I think it started dying when they knocked off Locke, the heart of the show for me.
Lindelof wrote the leftovers, one of the best shows on hbo
@@jackw801 haven't seen it. I'll check it out. Thanks. In Qatar so don't get the normal shows.
I like DL, but hated what they did to Locke
WATCHMEN on HBO
I’ve always interpreted the flashsideways as a dying experience (ala life flashing before your eyes) - you experience it as you’re dying.
Just refer to Juliet’s dying moments and how she appears spaced out and says ‘we can go dutch’ and even Miles picked up on ‘it worked’ as her last thoughts - that’s all from the flashsideways scene of her and Sawywr reuniting.
And the juxtaposition of Jack in the flashsideways with everyone and dying on the island - what if those are occurring at the same time for him?
The show ends when the flashsideways washes out to white light and Jack then closes his eyes - that timing...
A death experience is how I’ve always viewed it.
It's based on the Bardo Thodol. Look that up.
For some reason, I always confused Lost with Total Drama Island as a kid.
Can you do the day Dexter died?
brainsapper yeees
Season 4 - the trinity killer is one of the best stand alone seasons of TV ever made. But it just went downhill from there!
The very last episode.
He’s a lumberjack and I don’t care... 🎶
nailed it
When I started watching Lost (the day the pilot aired), I was 9 years old. I didn't know what a TV Pilot was, so I assumed the first 2 episodes were called Pilot pt 1 and 2 because they were about planes
It always really annoyed me that people misunderstood the finale and went "oh so they WERE in purgatory for the whole show". I don't know why this myth is so widespread. That's not what happened and anyone who actually watched the whole show knows that. I've been correcting people on that for years at this point on places like reddit. They were only in purgatory in the flash forwards in the final season. Which is set decades after all the events of the rest of the show, after everyone has lived a life and died.
I shouldn't get annoyed by it, it doesn't really matter, but I do nevertheless.
Shit wasn't fucked till they dropped the bomb so I agree there.
If you gotta correct people then that just shows you how bad that show was.
If people believe it was purgatory the whole time, it's because the d amn writers made it seem that way.
Its not the viewers fault. It's the damn writers.
@@sfdko3291 The show specifically states in the final few minutes that the whole thing wasn't purgatory. If people missed that, then that's their fault, not the writers.
I think it's interesting how many people compare The Good Place to Lost with in regards to episode structure and "the twist". Not to mention "the number" appears in the Good Place quite a few times, and they share a producer. Could you do a video on The Good Place? It's on its final season now so I don't really thing it's going to have a "died" moment, since they're giving themselves a definitive end. Sure, season 3 had some issues and maybe people had a problem with the setting, but I still enjoyed it and am hopeful for the final season.
I love this show still to this day...
I binged it after it all aired, so there was no discussion or theorizing on my part. Where I streamed it from also was missing that 3rd to last episode, so I never saw it. Because it's all flashback, I never noticed a thing. And i think that made the whole show better because they didnt shove all of the answers in at the last minute. There were just very few questions truly answered, so I was satisfied with just the characracters resolution and all of the mystery.
Binging also helped with the pacing and meandering problems of season 3
Honestly the thing that kept me the most intrigued about lost was how they slowly explained "what came before"
First the main characters arrive and believe there's nothing
Then they find a french woman who arrived years earlier
Then they find a Dharma Bunker from way earlier
Then they find the others, and explain Benjamin's past
Then they literally get the chance to LIVE decades before when Dharma was still at its prime
Then it is explained how Richard got to the Island in the first place, and where the huge ship came from.
And finally they explain where Jacob himself came from.
It's like a way of showing the origin of every single little detail that was ever put into the island. And I loved it.
You nailed it perfectly, it's the journey we all got to take while watching this show together, that made it so amazing.
Thanks! Glad you agree.
This show was my very first mystery obsession. Waiting a week to get a tiny tiiiiiny piece of information (probably useless) was a way of life 😊
Its April 8th, 3:16 PM, 2342AD. A man sets sail looking for a long lost ship in the Bermuda triangle. The whole world is charted now, except for what's in the Bermuda Triangle. What He finds there is beyond imagination. With him are several 3d printers, that create a camp for him on an unknown island. He sailed alone, but now he feels watched. He followed the current and is baffled as to why he landed here. It's almost like someone brought him there. But that's just crazy.
I just would like to know what are "ALLLLL the questions" that WEREN't answered? Cause in my rewatch everything has been answered except one thing
However you felt about the ending, I think we can all agree that watching lost when it originally aired was an amazing experience that unfortunately, we probably won't have with a TV show again!
I agree with that blog post that you read and the characters & mythology working together in tandem. I haven't read watched the series in ages. Also I thought that if Walt's age was different then they wouldn't have to write the character out of the story to hid the growth spurts people have at that age.
Can we have a "The day Arrested Development died" video please? 🙏🏻
I think this video will be coming sooner rather than later. Keep an eye out!
catdog as soon as season 4 came out lol
I remember, begining of an episode, claire I believe, the pregnant lady, started a episode drowning in the ocean and the hatch guy dove in to save her. They never showed how somebody who was stranded on an island winds up in the middle of the ocean. I said "no more" and never watched another. I loved Lost so much.
Great video, i was looking forward to this one.
Can you do a The Day Twin Peaks died (and the day it resurrected)?
I second that twin peaks idea
Thank you! I'll add it to the list. :)
I think the problem is when you say something like "it was a failure from a storytelling standpoint, but and overall success..." basically saying that it's up to US to make our own meaning from the show...that simply lets other writers know that it's fine to just do a shit job at storytelling, because ultimately its up to the viewer/reader to fill in the gaps and make it great in their own heads. It gives them an out instead of challenging them to raise the bar.
It's always sad when the fanbase cares more about the story then the writers.
MEANINGFUL ANALYSIS, and worthy of consideration by every fan and critic of LOST. Thank you for putting together this useful and thoughtful retrospective analysis. I don't know the extent to which core fans of the series enjoyed or disliked the ending. I can say I did not completely understand, and therefore did not entirely enjoy, the final episode--at least until the second and third viewings. That many casual viewers tuned into the finale is proven by the viewership numbers, and also by the fact that the credits sequence was understood to indicate nothing on the Island has ever taken place--kind of a 21st century version of the St. Elsewhere snow globe. I think the mythology-leaning crowd probably was more inclined to dislike the ending, while the character-engaged viewers were more inclined to enjoy the ending. I was not all that much entranced by the characters, as you may have surmised from the fact that my first book on LOST (the #1 best-selling ebook on the series, LOST Humanity) was mythology-focused, while my analysis of the characters of LOST (LOST Identity) was not published until more than a year after LOST Humanity hit the bookshelves. My feeling that the sentimentalists were more engaged in the ending I think is bolstered by the fact that my most enduring LOST followers, on Facebook, are overwhelmingly fans of the characters and not the mythology. Probably I don't need to say anything here on my thoughts concerning the ending itself. I will leave it for readers to decide whether my analysis of the series was articulated in a clear and engaging manner, but I don't think anyone can argue that I did not define the boundaries of the work's meaning--for me--in the six volumes I have published on the series. Perhaps I can add that I feel the writers answered the important questions, and some unimportant ones (like Jack's tattoo and the origin of the "Hurley bird"), but in the end delivered an eloquent and enduring statement on the nature of our humanity. PM 29 Nov 2020
The beginning of this video is the most obnoxious click baity bull. LOST is easily explained and really not that complicated, the whole island and all its mysteries are fairly simple but that’s ultimately because it’s not the main point of the show. Lost is a masterpiece if you go into it for its mysteries but stay for its characters.
Put me in the camp that enjoyed Lost all the way through except for certain points during season 3 where it dragged at times and you could see that they were spinning their wheels like you said. I was in deep on all the theories and the wait between episodes and seasons was agonizing. I put Lost up there with Twin Peaks, a higher accolade I cannot think of. Ironically, that show also suffered from network executives meddling with the show.
I’m reviewing the series with my wife and we watched 3 seasons in a month, today we’re going to start 4. I’ve watched it while leaving but the experience of reviewing is being wonderful, the dramas, mysteries are all very well tied. Some things were really unexplained in the end, but not everything needs explanation.
I don't at all agree with you my friend, I cried so hard at the end, it was the best TV show to exist
I dont care what anyone says, lost is amazing and that ending, i feel, was a perfect destination for the show
I agree. I think that if they wanted to do this episode, it should have been moved up in the schedule and been the season 6 premiere. It would have flowed better, after the season 5 finale (in which Jacob is killed) and they would have had the remaining episodes to focus on the island/sideways story.
This episode was so spot on!!! I loved lost and it had so flaws till the end but I enjoyed so much. Do a Dexter episode please
I still tear up a little bit when Jack dies/switches over/loops/ascends/travels in time/whatever at the end ;___;
10:26 "They spent 6 years invested in the show" - 6 days of hardcore binge-watching :P
I was disappointed by the ending, but it's still one of my favorite shows ever.
Spot on analysis. Lost was all about the ride, and what a ride it was. I was a huge fan to the point of obsession...really wanted to love the way the show ended but if I’m honest was disappointed by Across the Sea and The End. The GoT ending was similarly disappointing but maybe a tad worse. BB is the only show I’ve ever gotten into that really nailed the ending.
One of the main issues with Across the Sea is that the promise of such an episode is to "see how it all began" yet we don't get that. Across the Sea jumps us several years back in the long game of telephone being played on the island, but is still set somewhere long after the beginning, possibly _thousands of years_ into the story of humans on the island. Because of this, the answers we were given weren't answers. They were just more guesses from various characters' perspectives... from entirely new characters. The "truth" about the island was passed down to Jacob and his brother from someone who knew nothing more than anyone else, just as the people who'd been giving out those answers in the present day all along the show, so very little was gained from an episode which breaks formula and convention to be a massive dump of exposition. We aren't told anything that isn't speculation and supposition, and the nature of the events we witness aren't understood by the characters who experience them.
The end of the show was unsatisfying, despite Lindelof's attempts to claim "I warned you", because the show was a mystery show. Of course it's about characters. Nearly all stories are about characters, and most mysteries _rely_ on complex characters in order to be challenging. The type of show the characters on LOST inhabited was a mystery show. The Pilot introduces several mysteries itself, so this was not an unintentional aspect of the show. All along the six seasons, the characters make note of the mysteries, contemplate them, and some seek to solve them. Saying "the answers don't matter" to a show like this would be akin to a six-season long Agatha Christie story where the murderer is never revealed, with claims that it was always only about the characters and that murder is a constant in the world so the real identity doesn't matter, after a constant focus on "who could it be?!" for six years. That's not the correct structure to tell a story like that. Between this and other works and interviews with Lindelof, my personal opinion is that he's a generally poor writer with very specific talent who uses these excuses to pretend he's a better writer by claiming he's doing it on purpose. He uses the sort of "you just don't understand my art!" and "but it made you think!" defenses you rarely see from people who are actually effective at writing (or art in general). From what I can tell, the best aspects of LOST came from Carlton Cuse, and not Damon Lindelof.
I've long thought a good change to season six that would require the least amount of retooling would have been to replace the Flash-Forwards in S6 (inaccurately labeled "sideways" by the crew and fans) with Flashbacks to the island's history. Tell a non-linear story similar to the elements we saw in Across the Sea but in enough depth to make it matter. Use those flashbacks to inform the action in the present, set the stakes for the confrontations that were building and taking place. That way it's not just exposition, but returns to the S1 form where the flashbacks truly _mattered_ to the episode in ways other than simplistic thematic mirroring or dramatic irony as they began to do in S3. Across the Sea has far too much to accomplish in a single episode and utterly fails to achieve that mission in nearly every way.
I enjoyed the ride, and loved all the theories and the fan experience, but ultimately it was disappointing to find we'd been lied to. What's worse is that it was frustrating to have been lied to because there were so many great opportunities that the show provided back to the people writing it to simply... not be lying. It's not that we didn't get the answers that we wanted, it's that they revealed there weren't really any answers to be had. It was all just an elaborate shadow play, and the substance was illusory. The fan experience was superior because it posited a story where LOST was ultimately coherent and narratively satisfying.
The best aspects clearly came from Damon. And you haven't been lied to. Don't pretend to be a victim here.
@@kuhpunkt Hi, I see you missed my point and want to claim I said things I did not, but thanks for responding!
You didn't say "but ultimately it was disappointing to find we'd been lied to. What's worse is that it was frustrating to have been lied to because there were so many great opportunities that the show provided back to the people writing it to simply... not be lying."?
Wow, that quote from Lindelof... dude, basically he was praising himself for the terrible job he did. If it is like he was building a house, but then it comes down burning and only ashes remain, and he comes out and says "Look what an incredible job I did!"
Just wow, lol.
wow, I had watched the series, and your explanation of the show made more sense than anything I got out of the show
I'm in the camp that liked the ending, though with some strong reservations. Season 6 actually played out a lot better for me on the rewatch, knowing what the "flashsideways" were leading up to and how that basically gave all the characters a cosmic do-over for the stuff they failed at in their lives on Earth. Ironically it was the stuff that happened ON the island in Season 6 that kind of bored me on the rewatch, because it felt like mostly action, action, exposition, more action, with a lot of the rules of the mythology feeling like they were being made up as the writers went along (oh, suddenly there's a cork that drains the island of its magical power?) and most of the emotional beats were happening over in fake L.A., and I wasn't used to those components of the show being so compartmentalized.
I think the flashbacks would have been less of a problem in Seasons 2 and 3 (hell, even in season 1) if they hadn't done them so repetitively for certain characters. It irritated me that Jack, Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, etc. all got multiple flashbacks before Hurley had his first one. I know they were waiting on Hurley because his flashback revealed a huge tie to the island's mythology. Still, I don't think any of those other characters' second and third flashbacks revealed anything that we absolutely NEEDED to know before that point. One of the things I looked forward to the most on LOST was a character getting a flashback whose perspective we hadn't seen before. So when they started doing it for newer cast members and secondary/characters, those were generally far more interesting episodes to me than the umpteenth Jack flashback was. (To be fair, this allowed the writers to pull the greatest bait-and-switch of all time by making us THINK the Season 3 finale had yet another boring Jackback about his daddy issues, only to reveal that it was a flashforward - quite possibly my favorite TV plot twist ever.)
It bothered me that they promoted certain characters to the main cast without ever giving them proper flashbacks, like Libby and Ilana. They even built up a whole subplot with Ilana being Jacob's surrogate daughter that got dumped because the writers realized they were running out of time in Season 6. Not that she was the show's most fascinating character, but it was so callous how they just dropped that thread entirely by blowing her up. You guys had THREE seasons to plan your endgame; there should have been NO reason for you to run out of time on stuff like that!
There was another RUclipsr who did a series on LOST, who posited that Season 6 was so uneven because the writers didn't come up with the idea to bait-and-switch us on the flashsideways and say those were actually the afterlife until midway through the season. I'm not 100% sure I agree with that assessment, but it would kind of fit with your observation that the first 5 1/2 seasons feel like a separate thing from the final half season.
Season 6 just felt like going around circles on the island imo.
To be fair, I think the whole cork thing was a better solution than what they would have otherwise had to do... make a special weapon or metal that killed the smoke monster. They even made fun of that with Sayid stabbing him with a special knife that ultimately did nothing. Was a neat play on the whole, one special weakness thing done in classic fantasy. Perhaps throwing him back into the light could've killed him, but ah, I don't know.
@@desmondbrown5508 By that point I was able to accept that a lot of the island's properties were just magical; it was just weird to me that the rules for how the characters could control and manipulate it seemed so arbitrary, and some of these things were introduced at the eleventh hour. We had the frozen donkey wheel since the end of season 4, but then in Across the Sea it just suddenly gets invented and that's that - not even attempt to show us how Smokey learned how to control the energy he was trying to manipulate. The cork thing was foreshadowed well enough by Jacob and Smokey's wine bottle analogy, I guess, but then you can just put the cork back in and magically plug the leak after all the magic healing properties had been drained away from the island? That made no sense.
It was because the show set us up so well to expect answers and origin stories behind everything that didn't make sense to us, that these clearly magical elements were hard to accept as the show wound down. The show didn't just provide weak (or no) explanation for these things, it mocked us for wanting those explanations. When the Mother made that comment "Every question I answer will only lead to more questions" in Across the Sea, on the one hand I thought that was a hilarious meta joke, but on the other hand I was like "F U, show."
Wow... for a guy who frequently defends the final episode of LOST to people who didn't get it, I sure have do a lot of issues with the final season leading up to it.
The first 2 and a half seasons of Lost are some of the best tv ever seen.
But they spent so much time going nowhere, having filler episodes, and spinning their wheels that it dragged it all down into the dirt.
Many of the mysteries really don't get resolved or are dropped completely.
The last season still had filler episodes when they really needed to just get down to it and start wrapping things up.
Then that ending, ugh, completely ruined the entire show for me. Nothing was resolved in any sort of a satisfying way.
It was my favorite show for a long time but I have never gone back to rewatch it after the way they dropped the ball on that last season and ending. Such a shame and waste of potential as this could have been one of the all time greats.
How did the ending ruin the entire show?
@@kuhpunkt by being so unenjoyable and obtuse and exactly the opposite of everything I thought the show was building towards.
What's unenjoyable and obtuse? You're not explaining anything.