BIG CHANGES TO POTA! WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR HAMRS?
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2024
- Let's Clear The Air About HAMRS. POTA Prefix Designators Are Changing. How Will That Impact You?
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I think because I posted a link my comment got removed. So, HAMRS at build-time pulls a CSV that POTA provides, converts it, and saves it for offline use. The newer version of HAMRS will still do this, but also have a live DB to talk to if you have an internet connection. In the interim, does anyone know if the POTA folks plan to update the CSV they provide when the prefixes change over?
Hey good to see you here. Yeah, RUclips does that. And now we have our answer from you too! Can't help you with the CSV info though. Hopefully someone will see this and get you the info you need.
Jarrett, we hope things are going well for you.
Jarrett, HAMRS is indeed awesome. Thank you!
@JarrettGreen thanks for what you do 👊
Keep doing what you do @JarrettGreen and don’t listen to the naysayers!!😊
FYI about Open Source. Just because an app is Open Source doesn't mean it needs to accept all contributions. Whoever leads the project can decide what is accepted. All projects need steering. The difference is anyone can make a new copy and go their own way adding what they want to it under a new name. Regardless, Jarrett doesn't need to open source it. It is his code and his choice. Managing an open source project is a HUGE commitment and I can understand why he might not want to. He made it, its his baby. We are grateful for it no matter the license, because more software for hams is better. If people are upset by that, they should make their own and open source it. That is the way of open source.
Well said. de KC9O
Thanks Mike for letting me and others know about the changes with POTA and the new classifications and how to get around it. Also, Thanks to the Hamrs developer for what he did. I did send him a donation when I downloaded it. I only got into POTA after finding out about the Hamrs software through your channel, since I didn't know how to convert to what POTA wanted. I did SOTA as their logging was easy for me. Now I don't have to bust my butt climbing mountains to have fun, I can drive to my activation.😀
Thanks for being there.
Steve, k7ofg.
Yep ! I heard about it Thursday from a Canadian operator when we done a park to park no more VE now it’s CA thanks brother for putting it out to us POTA operators !
Thanks for sharing!! Totally agree with you!!!
Thanks for sharing your findings and your calm. Keep on keeping on, man. Take care. 73
Thanks for clearing that up. It’s awesomer.
Well done Mike. The sky isn't falling.
Well hang on a second...I didn't say anything about that. It very well may be falling. And if it does, I want to be at a POTA.
Sky is falling. Rained in AZ yesterday.
Thanks for this video I have been wondering what I was going to do for logging after hearing that it wasn't working
Thanks for the great video. Good to stay on top of POTA issues
Hey, they don't call me Papa POTA for nothing!
Canadian parks have already changed from VE to CA up here in the North. HAMRS works just fine I can say
Thanks much for the grid square trick.....and thank you very much for posting this pragmatic explanation as to why HAMRS won't be affected.
When using an iPad (or any device with built in GPS?) I still get the grid square by clicking the locate icon next to grid square. This worked from a new 5 digit park last month even though HAMRS did not know what park I was in. Agree Mike, we will adapt and overcome. I do hope for a new and improved HAMRS version soon. But the one I have works and I’ll keep using it until it doesn’t work or I find a different PATA logging program I love more.
"Don't Worry, Do POTA". Great video, with honest information
Yes! Thank you!
Mike, my pota map was not working. So i tried switching the data base it uses. Using Ham DB and also, after each time i hit Enter, I hit the cog wheel and hit look up next to each QSO. Now it works
I've activated K-11046 and K-11099 using HAMRS and it worked great.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying. Thanks
Mike, Mike, Mike just got my General upgrade today N6BAR/AG. Thanks, for all your content, reviews, suggestions and that energy. Keep doing what your doing... Looking forward to QRP POTA!
Hey that's awesome, congratulations!
Spot on Mike. Thanks!
Thanks Mike!
When I activate a new 5 digit park, HAMRS defaults to a 4 digit and plugs in the wrong GRID SQUARE
Afterwards, I use ADIF MASTER to correct my log.
I hope he updates it someday, because I really like HAMRS
Thank you Brother….Preach It….I support you and HAMRS…..🎙
Great info Mike.. Thanks for sharing..
You bet
Great video, appreciate the information, especially the p2p part, that was new news.
Love the soothing music. 🎹
I agree 100%. We're Hams we make it work. Side note: I know the park # doesn't matter on the pota page but I like to log all my hunter qsos too. Let's say you are activating a park in Italy...when I log you it shows you in your home QTH. Is there anyway around that? So the QSO show where the activator really is at?
You nailed it!!!
Jarrett has said an update is coming in the next week or so for the iOS App and in the next few days for the desktop app.
I have been arguing with people online forever about how we dont need park numbers and Im always met with "You do for 2-fers, etc" and I am glad you finally are proving me right. I hunt from parks all the time and never call "park to park" or let them know Im in a park and it always shows up as a P2P in my POTA logs.
How do you log P2P 2-fers to get credit for both parks ? Please let me know. I know if just a normal P2P ( one park only) yes it is down automatically.
@@timothyboyd5669 Did you even watch the video?
HAMRS is like a QRP CW only rig. It performs EXACTLY as designed for its INTENDED purpose. If you don't like to operate that way, there are other options that will perform the way you operate. 🎉
I’m not awesomer-er you’re awsomer-er! Thanks for the update! If anyone cares, for grid squares I run Ham Square on iOS. Really simple program that spits out lat/long and grid square. So if ever in doubt I have it on my phone.
I had one yesterday that didn't pop up or show on the map
Right on!
When the POTA change takes place, I wonder if the suffix will still be a 4 and 5 digit combo, or if they'll switch to all 5 digits (by adding a 0 at the beginning of 4 digit prefixes). It doesn't really matter, but since you cleared this up, I needed something new to wonder about...
I don't see that happening at all. This isn't Y2K lol! We already have 4 and 5 digit numbers in the system and they play just fine together.
I was waiting to hear your thoughts on this.
I gave up using HAMRs on my Mac anyway. I couldn’t export the log. Just using RUMlogNG and exporting from there. Not sure what’s wrong w it, but I know there’s no support. Bummer.
Omg. Mind blown about the whole park number during a qso. I’ve handed out a few hundred pota qsos during CQP and thought I was breaking some rule by never saying the park number. Now I don’t feel bad for never saying the number.
I wish they did something that required activators to list their radio, antenna and watts used.
Thanks Mike
Question, when I'm activating and I work somebody in a twofer, won't I lose the park to park on the second Park if I don't enter it in the app, k-1234,K-0000 ? Isn't that the purpose hammers make it a duplicate log and it shows up twice automatically? And can I log aprs contacts. Haha
Nope. That has nothing to do with you. When the activator of that twofer uploads his log you'll get credit for both.
The presenter in the video mentioned if the author decided to open source his code it would "completely dilute the purpose of HAMRS." Not at all! The HAMRS author's codebase always will contain only the lightweight, portable feature set he put in it. Others may fork HAMRS and add other features and that's cool. Use what you want in the end. I am pro-open source.
Yeah, that's me. I get what you're saying. I understand. The problem is in what you mention. "Others may fork HAMRS". Yes they will. In as many forks as lightning can strike. Therein lies the problem. Don't muck with what shall not be mucked with. I have spoken.
@@hamradiotube Therein lies what problem, exactly?
Preach Mike! Preach!!!
Perfect!
Spot on Mike, people just need to chill and have fun with POTA. It’s all supposed to be fun and practice for EMCOM. 😊
K4QLJ here-Awesome video thanks for the time and effort to make this video.73
I use a notepad and pencil/pen to manually enter my logs into the POTA portal. /shrug, no big deal for me. Also, when I'm activating I've given my park due to the hunter not using POTA to spot the parks, so they may hear me key POTA and not know what park I'm activating. Why are you against open source?
everyone needs to take a chill pill, although anyone is free to look at alternatives of course
Preach it!
Thanks Mike!!!!!!
Thank you!
I am glad that you said something about this. I have never understood the continual
Complaining about this. Jarrett did a nice thing for us. Use it or not. I plan to continue using it for POTA. Thanks Mike and Jarrett. K0PIG
4:57 If you manually initiate the lookup function for each QSO from the entries tab then it should generate the map. That has been my experience at least
Not convenient of course, but it does work if you really have to see the map.
Yeah that sometimes works, but you shouldn't have to do that. Usually once you enter a call sign and it gets their info, it will pop up on the map.
@@hamradiotube The main thing that I've found that populates the map is using either the HamDB or HamQTH Lookup providers. (I don't have a paid subscription with QRZ and I've heard that you need to have that in order for QRZ to work, however I've also heard of others who do have paid that still don't have the map populate when using QRZ as the lookup source.) Although I'm sure you've tried these as well. HAMRS is a great app and I use it on every activation. And I'll continue to do so.
What ever happened to PEAKS ON THE AIR? Sorry I'm kinda new to all this but a long time tech using 2 meters for com with ground crew when flying hang gliders. Then I fell down the HF rabbit hole and I'm studying for my general and spending all kinds of money now. But I remember it all starting with Peaks On The Air.
That would be Summits On The Air.
That's right. Is that still happening?@@Uniblab9000
I think the frustrating thing about the HARMS status and the pota changes is the lack of communication. I see Jarrett responded to this video (sticky comment), but as of this writing, his most recent reply (based on date-ordered search) on his HAMRS community page is from October and the most recent comment about HARMRS updates is from April 2023. I would think a comment there would come before a reply to someone else's youtube video. YMMV
Agreed
IDK. The last time someone told me not to worry and everything was going to be fine my radio blew up!
They should use the aircraft tail number prefixes, that way we'll get November instead of Uniform Sierra.
Thanks for the video… Unfortunately, I would guess that 90+% of the mobile populace is not aware that JG doesn’t generate much of anything off the iOS App Store… So, you have a whole bunch of people who have paid money for a seemingly unsupported app. No matter the excuse, that’s not good and serves as a solid argument for pushing it to open source… potentially. Granted, I believe the ask price for the app was on the cheap, but people are still paying for it and downloading it off of iOS to the best of my knowledge. If I am wrong, I’m totally up for correction. In concept form, the software is sweet, in delivery, it’s a different argument - unfortunately. Anyway, just my two cents. It’s kinda like a great family recipe, hard to let go of it if you ever have aspirations of any sort of monetary profit. Hat’s off to all the GNUists and the like. 73
Open your adi in a text editor then Edit>Replace. Easy.
Mike you are a muse of reason in the chaos of the opinionated static. Thank you
All I want is to be able to add / callsigns in hamrs.
Frank, K-6666, cracked me up.
I don't understand why this stuff is such a big deal using US for the prefix for pota and hamers not being updated.
Hah! I’ve actually activated K-6666, and I worked you from there too as I recall.
Well said, to bad this video can't be a mandatory watch for all user of HAMRS....
OMG! Everyone run around like chickens with their heads chopped off! The sky is falling! LOLZ! It's about time that POTA entities align with the ISO standard. I've dealt with the ISO standard with my job for a few years. The issue with the US 5-digit parks was if you where activating such a park, HAMRS only recognized the first 4 numbers, giving you the incorrect grid square .All you had to do was enter your proper grid square in the app. BADDA BING! BADDA BOOM! I've heard that Jarrett jumped up to fix HAMRS (had hired a developer, but think he's going to do it himself to get it done quicker) with the recent changes to the POTA program. 73!
Jarret was in the live chat during the premier. He is going to be updating HAMRS.
I got all excited with the "Big Changes to POTA!" and after you said the prefixes were changing, and that's it, thought to myself "That's the big changes??". I guess if one is excited about watching paint dry! 😆
No, it's not that. Everyone was concerned about the logging software. But I agree with you. It's really nothing.
For Activators ---- In HAMRS on iOS, when activating with a 5-digit park, don't fill in the park number if you are planning to upload to LOTW to give credit to huntes for grids/counties. If you enter the 5-digit park, it will pull the grid for the first 4-digts of the park, i.e. k-12345 would pull as K-1234, which will not be correct. When I create a log, I don't enter a park number in HAMRS and create a new location in TQSL for that location, which will populate the upon upload to LOTW.
Dude you are way better than I am! I don't even touch TQSL unless I'm activating from a rare grid and want to give the hunters that grid!
I always upload to LoTW as a courtesy. Everything's rare to someone.
The current version of TQSL has a checkbox to tell it to use the location from your log instead of having to create a new location for that grid square in TQSL.
no @ham radio Tube lets talk about the new battery you have on your bench.. Going away from bioenno?
I would never leave Bioenno. I'm just being contacted by a bunch of Chinese battery manufacturers to try them out. What am I gonna say? No? I love batteries.
Wish hamrs would at least update...won't run on the pi5
Only thing I see is ft8 you only have so many characters you can put in.
I changed my grid square to the park when calling cq.
That's all you need to do (or should) in WSJT-X settings. Everything else is just making contacts. Again, park numbers mean nothing. You could do an entire POTA activation on FT8 and not tell anyone you're there. Once you load your log to POTA, anyone who works you will get credit for working you at that park. But I always change my grid square in WSJT-X to reflect where I'm operating from.
Hi Mike, POTA changing the park references in the “UK” is absolutely the wrong thing to do. The “UK” is made up of 7 different countries/entities all of which have separate ITU prefixes. To put them all together as the “UK” is a very poor decision. It’s like having all North American countries as US.
Hay Mike the old saying if it not broke don’t fix it.
WD5ENH
Steve
I don't know though...we're hams. We kinda want to fix the things that already work lol!
CEEEEEEEQUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
Good video. The Hamrs devs should still update their software though.
Edit: Looks like yhe Hamrs dev is on it but the Pota folks need to get their act together still. Jarret should include a tip or "buy me coffee" link inside the app. I dont mind tipping for a great product.
Excuse me? What exactly do you think "the Pota folks" need to accomplish? We've been running a completely free system for nearly 6 years with similar uptime to the Google search page. Our act is together sir. We've scaled from supporting 1,000 users to over 50,000 users in those 6 years.
@@de_w8tam I don't know. From another reply it sounded like the dev was waiting for something from y'all.
@@froal4579 He never contacted us directly. I only noticed this thread because of someone screenshotting it and posting it on Facebook. There's many published ways to contact POTA support, but RUclips comments are not one of them.
OH NO!! THE BANANA IS GONE!!!
Crap!! I moved it so my robot could vacuum.
Uncle Sugar!?!
Oh that's a new one!
@@hamradiotube I thought of it during your video and near choked on a tater tot!
NO. Everything doesn't work just fine ... until grid squares are populated.
hahaha, I love your shirt MrAPRS hater LOL
It's strictly for trolling purposes.
I know, you enjoy trolling APRS fans the same I enjoy trolling Glock users lol
You lost me at hamburger.
See...now I want a hamburger! I hope you want one too now.
Thanks for the update and assurances about HAMRS and changes to POTA. I love HAMRS for general day-to-day logging both in the shack and on /P activations - it's simplicity is it's strength. I can export logs and put them anywhere else (for me it's QRZ & eQSL) or edit them etc. Do I have my own pet ideas I wish it had - of course I do but so does everyone else. KISS rules for HAMRS. M0TNI
Thanks for being a calm voice of reason on the migration! Also the little call-out, glad you remember me :) de W8MSC
One never forgets their POTA Elmer.
Amen! DE WA1KLI
Our prefix changed from OE to AT and HAMRS still works fine.. 73 de George AH6UN / OE4JHW
Oh Mike, sad hams solving their own bitches? Maybe when cats and dogs... anyway. 🦧
73
I wish they did something that required activators to list their radio, antenna and watts used.
Why?? That has nothing to do with making contacts.
We're not likely to ever REQUIRE that, but in the future we might make use of some of those fields. 73
Because if somebody is in my skip circle, say Texas or North Carolina, I should typically hear them unless they are running QRP or something.@@hamradiotube
Open your adi in a text editor then Edit>Replace. Easy.