Thanks for watching guys, and sorry for the syncing issues. My network connection apparently was not very stable. My ISP really oscillates with the performance it seems. Anyway, what do you think about the DF54?
Haha, tell me about it. Happens too often. But yes, this is pretty sweet. Feels a fair bit nicer than the D40, too. I think it'll be a good seller when it's in stock. The ionizer is awesome - super fluffy grinds!
This price point blows my mind. Especially if they release more 54 burrs for this unit in the future, it still keeps it at an affordable price after those upgrades! Well done! 💯
It's so awesome to see that they sent this. I heard about the Turin version of this that's coming, just this week, on the espresso subreddit, but didn't know the Miicoffee one was coming so soon
As someone with a DF64 gen 1 with mods and SSPMPs it is cool to see Turin/Mii innovating so fast. And that they seem to be taking feedback from the coffee community in real time. Though it does seem like the reviewers are the alpha and beta testers and they eventually get it hammered out. Nice video! I would be interested in your follow up on what the popcorn device looks like and to see if it works.
I think this may just be the upgrade to my ESP I didn't know I was looking for. The DF64 is just too much of a price jump. Or at least I think so, as someone who likes a typical Neapolitan blend and is not big into SO. As always, thank you for bringing the enjoyable and informative content!
Turin/Mii's abillty to churn out so many variants since the original 64 is amazing. This 54 is gonna challenge the likes of Baratza and some hand grinders even.
I have the DF64 Gen 2 with DLC burrs and I'm very happy with it. This new DF54 looks like a very good value for the money. About the only downside I see is that, being 64mm the standard, I don't think you'll have the option to install a different set of burrs like SSP if you want to upgrade in the future. Or maybe the manufacturer will launch different burrs for those who want a different flavor profile.
Thanks Tom again! 54mm? The same size as the Eureka-Mignons. (?) I think this is an interesting competitor.... ECP and DF54 seems to be the ideal starter configuration at the moment ;-)
The Eureka Mignons are either 50 or 55mm, some are larger in their Turbo line. But yes, very similar. ECP + DF54 would make an excellent bargain combo. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner So make of this what you will, but they had been listing open box D40+ for $149, now they have one for $139. I wonder if the D40+ is gonna drop to $179 or 189 US sometime soon? It makes sense, and makes it extremely attractive. I'm loving mine, just sat down after grinding some more on day 2 with the 40+. EDIT: it just dawned on me, yes, the D40+ might drop in price, but there is zero reason to do it since the DF54 doesn't hit until almost April. My guess is they will stock up on D40+, and drop it's price right as the 54 hits so that when it sells out, people have a nice fallback option.
So I've been shopping for an electric grinder and I've decided to pull the trigger on the DF54.... But Tom, do you know if there's a German or European storefront where we can order one that will run on 230V?... without paying eleventybazillion for shipping?
Hi, looks like a nice grinder for a limited counter work space. Could you please tell me how many grams of ground coffee the catch cup holds without spilling over. I mainly use dark roast coffee's. Thanks!
Hi Tom. Could you maybe make a video talking about very cheap vs expensive grinder taste? I have a cheap espresso grinder(50 eur), which I can dial in just fine, but wondering how much of a difference would it be to buy this grinder.
Can you please compare the budget friendly grinders such as Tschibo vs Kin grinder vs DF 54. is the step up in dollar equal also in taste and performance.
I would love to know your thoughts on this machine VS the Baratza Encore. This one seems to have a nicer build quality, and a very nice form factor, but how does the taste compare?
Well I would have to compare them side by side with the same beans, and the encore is a conical grinder vs this flat. That being said, I think this will ultimately do better on taste, and while I prefer products that are designed in the USA, this one is undoubtedly better build quality and sweeter design all around. The "plasma generator" is pretty sweet too, and the grounds come out looking fluffy and beautiful. At least those are my initial impressions.
For espresso, given the similar price point would you recommend the DF40+ or the DF54? Specifically how do they compare in terms of loudness and speed?
I've just used this for the video so far, but I think this guy has a lot of potential in the market. It could make the Opus and ESP superfluous going forwards.
Is this the same as the Turin DF54 that came out several years ago? I have that one, bought when it was in big demand, paid a lot more than $229! (it had a black lid).
@@TomsCoffeeCorner yes, sorry, it is the DF64, the original one, SS body. Was around $400. Was often compared to the Niche. Any idea what it's worth today, used? Better built than current models?
The guy I bought the Gaggia CP from is also selling his 1.5 y.o. DF-64 for $300. The video came at a good time. At $229 for the DF-54, I felt comfortable offering $150 for his used Gen-1 machine. Based on his response I think I offended him. :) Oh snap. :)
@@allen.t THANK YOU!!! I bought his tricked out barely used Gaggia CP for $350. Came with fancy showhead, 9 bar spring, fancy tamper with a spring inside, naked baskets, and a nice de-clumper. That was a bargain but TBH the DF-54 featured in the video seems much better for home use... at $229 new (when it is available anyway).
ordered this grinder, what grind size to start from??? would you say start at 15 first? for espresso - anyone advise? i know diff beans differ, but some guide be helpful
Just received mine here in Dubai yesterday, I didn’t get to find the zero point yet, but did two shots. One at 13 for espresso and it came out too fast. Did another at 5 and I got 36g from an 18g at 18seconds. Will probably do another later at 3 to see if I get 36g from 18g in 20-25 seconds
I think you're right. At least that's my first impression. This is a little faster than the Opus. Both have the plasma generating ionizer (did I say that right?). But this one feels substantial, and is unstepped in grinding. Also much less messy than the Opus.
meh... 150 watt motor, slow rpm? not so good for espressi... my personal fave: EMIL t64 - compact form factor and so many good details from design to detachable magnetic chute...
Looks like the dial will make more sense than my Mignon. That thing has ZERO sense of the grind step its at. Nothing you can really mark and repeat. Always waste a couple pulls to get it back to the right spot. If you do any grinding with drip range then back to espresso...FORGETTABOUT IT!. I wonder if the burrs are "standard" height and screw or blind, so they can be replaced with other brand burrs...?
I guess you touch on the burrs towards the end, and since its only 17 hours from upload, I doubt you know too much more about that, LOL. cheers. I do love the Mignon, but I hate that I dont know what setting its on, and that I dont like this ones dosing. But, not willing to shell out too much for one that is as good in performance. The 55mm(its actually 54mm) runs with a 300 or 320watt motor, so this being 150 is not really a confidence booster on its long life, and like you did do a cold start, which I have been running this grinder for years on a cold start with zero issues on the densest of beans, so maybe some tougher beans, maybe out of the freezer can stump it? lol. I actually think the 53-56mm range would be the sweet spot for single dosing, but, I dont know...and I cant see a reason why a 84mm would make better espresso? I have YET to see a video explaining anything in this area; 54mm vs 60 or 80+mm burrs making any flavor difference that you cant get with smaller burrs. Even if the conclusion is undetermined, Y has no videos of this, and would be a popular one (hurry before Lance does one).
You're right about the Mignon dial - they are super tough to dial in between brew methods. I just leave it at espresso. I agree that the Mignon's 310 watt motor gives me more confidence than a 150 watt motor, but it's still better than most grinders in this price range. Finally, I also don't think that I can determine a difference in 83 vs 54mm burrs. For me, it's just a time savings, to have larger burrs. Maybe they make a slight difference in heat dissipation, but I highly doubt that would make a difference that I could perceive in taste. In fact, I think that the burrs for home grinders have just been getting larger and larger to increase revenue for manufacturers. All that being said, I imagine someone like Lance could point out differences between burrs (their geometries for sure, but maybe size too?). But for normal users, I don't think it makes a veritable difference.
Thanks for the feedback, gives me a bit of reassurance :-) Im enjoying your perspective, and I will chime in, in the future about taste profiles, on how suggestive wording actually makes you think of the notes descrived, and your brain is usually the one recolecting the falvor, and why you think of it, as the tastes we get are not much of what we really get from the cup. But more on that and the psychology another time. Cheers!@@TomsCoffeeCorner
Thanks for watching guys, and sorry for the syncing issues. My network connection apparently was not very stable. My ISP really oscillates with the performance it seems.
Anyway, what do you think about the DF54?
Some video issue with the camera yes.
Tom whats better the df5; or the d40+ im just wondering if its worth chipping in 30 extra for the 54. And will they both work well with a la pavoni
"Forgot my beans", hate it when that happens!! 😆. Great live video, and wow DF54 looks like a lot of grinder for the money! 🔥👍👏👏
😂😂😂😂
Haha, tell me about it. Happens too often. But yes, this is pretty sweet. Feels a fair bit nicer than the D40, too. I think it'll be a good seller when it's in stock.
The ionizer is awesome - super fluffy grinds!
This price point blows my mind. Especially if they release more 54 burrs for this unit in the future, it still keeps it at an affordable price after those upgrades! Well done! 💯
It's so awesome to see that they sent this. I heard about the Turin version of this that's coming, just this week, on the espresso subreddit, but didn't know the Miicoffee one was coming so soon
turin, miicoffee, koryaiko all same company
for the price that they were able to achieve with this its pretty awesome
I'm surprised myself!
I just bought it a month ago, very satisfied for home user❤❤❤.
Great video Tom!!! Greetings from Florida ☕️😎👍🏽
Thanks for watching! Florida is lovely! 🌴
As someone with a DF64 gen 1 with mods and SSPMPs it is cool to see Turin/Mii innovating so fast. And that they seem to be taking feedback from the coffee community in real time. Though it does seem like the reviewers are the alpha and beta testers and they eventually get it hammered out. Nice video! I would be interested in your follow up on what the popcorn device looks like and to see if it works.
The anti-popcorner seems to be very similar to the plate used in the new DF83V. At least based on the reviews I saw. Cheers!
Excellent watching this post live. Some issues in video quality but no biggie. Thank you
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I thought an unboxing might be fun, live. Cheers!
I think this may just be the upgrade to my ESP I didn't know I was looking for. The DF64 is just too much of a price jump. Or at least I think so, as someone who likes a typical Neapolitan blend and is not big into SO.
As always, thank you for bringing the enjoyable and informative content!
Thank you for watching! I think this DF54 could be a big hit. Quality feels quite a bit nicer than the ESP.
Turin/Mii's abillty to churn out so many variants since the original 64 is amazing. This 54 is gonna challenge the likes of Baratza and some hand grinders even.
I have the DF64 Gen 2 with DLC burrs and I'm very happy with it. This new DF54 looks like a very good value for the money. About the only downside I see is that, being 64mm the standard, I don't think you'll have the option to install a different set of burrs like SSP if you want to upgrade in the future. Or maybe the manufacturer will launch different burrs for those who want a different flavor profile.
That's true, 54mm is kinda uncommon afaik.
Thanks Tom again! 54mm? The same size as the Eureka-Mignons. (?) I think this is an interesting competitor....
ECP and DF54 seems to be the ideal starter configuration at the moment ;-)
The Eureka Mignons are either 50 or 55mm, some are larger in their Turbo line. But yes, very similar.
ECP + DF54 would make an excellent bargain combo. Cheers!
nice video Tom, greetings from Italy
The video quality is very good.
Df54 would be my best purchase considering that my current grinder is breville dose control )
Спасибо. Очень интересно. Думаю для дома по такой цене хороший вариант
I have to say that I'm confused where the D40+ fits in lineups now, will it's price go down?
I think this will quickly cannabilize the D40+ sales.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner So make of this what you will, but they had been listing open box D40+ for $149, now they have one for $139. I wonder if the D40+ is gonna drop to $179 or 189 US sometime soon? It makes sense, and makes it extremely attractive. I'm loving mine, just sat down after grinding some more on day 2 with the 40+. EDIT: it just dawned on me, yes, the D40+ might drop in price, but there is zero reason to do it since the DF54 doesn't hit until almost April. My guess is they will stock up on D40+, and drop it's price right as the 54 hits so that when it sells out, people have a nice fallback option.
I want to see a comparison with Niche. Very interesting to decide which one to buy.
There numerous comparing the original Turin DF64 to the Niche, about 2 years ago.
I preordered one from espresso outlet. Hopefully I win a Turin Legato as well (I'll be giving it to my friend if I do since I already have one)
❤️❤️❤️ thank you 😊
Sound and video quality was good. On the ECP pre-infusion are you waiting for the first drop than shutting off for 5 secs?
Yes, I like to wait until I see the first droplets coming out, then cut the pump for a bit. Cheers!
So I've been shopping for an electric grinder and I've decided to pull the trigger on the DF54....
But Tom, do you know if there's a German or European storefront where we can order one that will run on 230V?... without paying eleventybazillion for shipping?
Hi, looks like a nice grinder for a limited counter work space. Could you please tell me how many grams of ground coffee the catch cup holds without spilling over. I mainly use dark roast coffee's. Thanks!
Hi Tom. Could you maybe make a video talking about very cheap vs expensive grinder taste? I have a cheap espresso grinder(50 eur), which I can dial in just fine, but wondering how much of a difference would it be to buy this grinder.
Great video!!!!
No problem
Can you please compare the budget friendly grinders such as Tschibo vs Kin grinder vs DF 54. is the step up in dollar equal also in taste and performance.
I would love to know your thoughts on this machine VS the Baratza Encore. This one seems to have a nicer build quality, and a very nice form factor, but how does the taste compare?
Well I would have to compare them side by side with the same beans, and the encore is a conical grinder vs this flat.
That being said, I think this will ultimately do better on taste, and while I prefer products that are designed in the USA, this one is undoubtedly better build quality and sweeter design all around. The "plasma generator" is pretty sweet too, and the grounds come out looking fluffy and beautiful. At least those are my initial impressions.
Im from the USA... TX to be r act.. this might be dumb but what voltage do you run into your home? Is it 110v 220v? Why are the plugs different?
For espresso, given the similar price point would you recommend the DF40+ or the DF54? Specifically how do they compare in terms of loudness and speed?
DF54 feels better all around.
how you doing?!Super-great upload.
Thanks for the visit, doing well, thanks! Hope you are too. Cheers!
Looks good grinder Tom,even that brand is new in the market. What do you think?
I've just used this for the video so far, but I think this guy has a lot of potential in the market. It could make the Opus and ESP superfluous going forwards.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks Tom..
What is your tamper? Is it good for Delonghi baskets? How big is the gap between tamper and basket wall?
It's a nice little tamper I got off of Amazon. It doesn't leave any grounds on the basket wall.
Hi, first I love your videos. Can you say is it better or just in same class with Eureka Specialista?
I won't say it's better, because I love Eureka. But it's in the same league, imho.
Tnx , you helped me much
Didn't use the bellows.
Great video, you should work for Westdeutscher Rundfunk Köln...
Thanks!
Wish you would have addressed the loudness or DB of the grinder.
I should do a comparison of all the grinders I have. Good idea for a video.
Have you tried grinding coffee at DF54 for cezve (turkish coffee)? Is the grind fine enough? Does the coffee grinder motor cope?
I have not, since I have never tried making turkish, but I bet it can. I mean I was at 15, and that was plenty fine for espresso. 👍
Is this the same as the Turin DF54 that came out several years ago? I have that one, bought when it was in big demand, paid a lot more than $229! (it had a black lid).
The DF54 is brand new, from MiiCoffee and Turin. You might be thinking of the DF64?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner yes, sorry, it is the DF64, the original one, SS body. Was around $400. Was often compared to the Niche. Any idea what it's worth today, used? Better built than current models?
What do you think about this compared to Fellow Opus?
It’s just as slow, but way more solid. More intuitive to use.
How does this compare to a Eureka Mignon Crono with Espresso Burrs?
I think this will fair very well! Probably about the same performance, albeit slower due to the de-static device.
Hello coffee brother
Do we know the rotation speed?
Good question - I don't know that yet! Will ask the manufacturer.
The guy I bought the Gaggia CP from is also selling his 1.5 y.o. DF-64 for $300. The video came at a good time. At $229 for the DF-54, I felt comfortable offering $150 for his used Gen-1 machine. Based on his response I think I offended him. :) Oh snap. :)
$300 for a 1.5 yr old gen 1 is a rip off
@@allen.t THANK YOU!!! I bought his tricked out barely used Gaggia CP for $350. Came with fancy showhead, 9 bar spring, fancy tamper with a spring inside, naked baskets, and a nice de-clumper. That was a bargain but TBH the DF-54 featured in the video seems much better for home use... at $229 new (when it is available anyway).
Does MiiCoffee ship to Europe?!
Yes, although the DF54 is slated to be available for order end of March, as it were. Cheers!
ordered this grinder, what grind size to start from??? would you say start at 15 first? for espresso - anyone advise? i know diff beans differ, but some guide be helpful
Try 15 for espresso.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner noted!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks! be great if could use the grinder with the bambino to show!! love your channel!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner ive tried 15, came too slow, i had to move 18-20 for df54 - do you think that's still fine?
Just received mine here in Dubai yesterday, I didn’t get to find the zero point yet, but did two shots. One at 13 for espresso and it came out too fast. Did another at 5 and I got 36g from an 18g at 18seconds. Will probably do another later at 3 to see if I get 36g from 18g in 20-25 seconds
I might be jumping the gun on this but I think there’s no reason to buy an ESP or Opus now that this exists.
I think you're right. At least that's my first impression. This is a little faster than the Opus. Both have the plasma generating ionizer (did I say that right?).
But this one feels substantial, and is unstepped in grinding. Also much less messy than the Opus.
@@TomsCoffeeCorneryep you’re right! And making micro adjustments isn’t a headache unlike the Opus.
meh... 150 watt motor, slow rpm? not so good for espressi... my personal fave: EMIL t64 - compact form factor and so many good details from design to detachable magnetic chute...
1400 rpm according to MiiCoffee. The X54 by Mahlkönig uses a 70 watt motor, just for reference.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner then pardon please... didn't know that the Mahlzwerg=Grinding Dwarf" has so littler pow e r....
Looks like the dial will make more sense than my Mignon. That thing has ZERO sense of the grind step its at. Nothing you can really mark and repeat. Always waste a couple pulls to get it back to the right spot. If you do any grinding with drip range then back to espresso...FORGETTABOUT IT!.
I wonder if the burrs are "standard" height and screw or blind, so they can be replaced with other brand burrs...?
I guess you touch on the burrs towards the end, and since its only 17 hours from upload, I doubt you know too much more about that, LOL. cheers. I do love the Mignon, but I hate that I dont know what setting its on, and that I dont like this ones dosing. But, not willing to shell out too much for one that is as good in performance. The 55mm(its actually 54mm) runs with a 300 or 320watt motor, so this being 150 is not really a confidence booster on its long life, and like you did do a cold start, which I have been running this grinder for years on a cold start with zero issues on the densest of beans, so maybe some tougher beans, maybe out of the freezer can stump it? lol. I actually think the 53-56mm range would be the sweet spot for single dosing, but, I dont know...and I cant see a reason why a 84mm would make better espresso? I have YET to see a video explaining anything in this area; 54mm vs 60 or 80+mm burrs making any flavor difference that you cant get with smaller burrs. Even if the conclusion is undetermined, Y has no videos of this, and would be a popular one (hurry before Lance does one).
You're right about the Mignon dial - they are super tough to dial in between brew methods. I just leave it at espresso.
I agree that the Mignon's 310 watt motor gives me more confidence than a 150 watt motor, but it's still better than most grinders in this price range.
Finally, I also don't think that I can determine a difference in 83 vs 54mm burrs. For me, it's just a time savings, to have larger burrs. Maybe they make a slight difference in heat dissipation, but I highly doubt that would make a difference that I could perceive in taste.
In fact, I think that the burrs for home grinders have just been getting larger and larger to increase revenue for manufacturers.
All that being said, I imagine someone like Lance could point out differences between burrs (their geometries for sure, but maybe size too?). But for normal users, I don't think it makes a veritable difference.
Thanks for the feedback, gives me a bit of reassurance :-) Im enjoying your perspective, and I will chime in, in the future about taste profiles, on how suggestive wording actually makes you think of the notes descrived, and your brain is usually the one recolecting the falvor, and why you think of it, as the tastes we get are not much of what we really get from the cup. But more on that and the psychology another time. Cheers!@@TomsCoffeeCorner
Wonderful video
Sometimes it’s hard to find a good beans 🫘….more suggestion about beans Toms please 🙏🏻
Where do you live? That's the key question. Have any local roasters around you?
@@TomsCoffeeCornerIdaho Meridian
@@TomsCoffeeCornerI’ll check out I always buy my beans in Costco