Fiasco: The AIDS Crisis | Episode 3 | The Baths
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2023
- A debate rages in San Francisco over whether or not to close the city's famous bathhouses, as government officials and gay rights advocates weigh the implications for civil liberties and public health.
From the co-creators of Slow Burn, Fiasco is a narrative podcast that transports listeners into the day-to-day reality of America’s most pivotal historical events. Using original interviews with dozens of key players, host Leon Neyfakh brings to life the forgotten twists and turns of the past while shedding light on the present day. The new season of Fiasco goes deep on the AIDS epidemic in America, with a special focus on the early years of the crisis, when a diagnosis was tantamount to a death sentence. The eight-part series looks at the mystery and missteps around identifying and treating a new, contagious disease, and what it took to get the public -and the government- to care.
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Mayor Feinstein saved thousands of lives when she shut down the Gay Bath Houses in San Francisco. ❤️
You think the sex stopped because they locked a door? lol
A lot in the homosexual community unfortunately aided in the spead of HIV, by their refusal the quit those bath houses, as they felt those baths was a tradition and their right. Their was incidents of some that knew they had the illness but refused to slow down.
"The Party" ran right into the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the party was over as soon as it started, as HIV arrived in the United States around the late 1960s (1965-1969. Raymond Raymond died of AIDS in St. Loui, Missouri in 1969.). Some were silently getting infected in the 1970s, which due to HIV incubation to AIDS usally being 8 to 10 years, resulted in early documented AIDS cases in the early 1980s
I remember reading about Robert Rayford. He was just a child, lived in poverty, had to do sex work to survive and sexual abused. Died when he was 16. Some pedophile pig had sex with an impoverished child and infected him with HIV (a pig regardless, having sex with a child).
The really enjoyed the series. Very informative.
This whole series is so well done.
So Interesting but can't stand the main voice vocal fry dude sort it out.
Silverman was a coward and responsible for thousands of more infections.
What?? You mean he had a gun to their heads?
No, Dr. Silverman DID think the bathhouses should be closed but knew there were a lot of gay men who wanted them open & felt that closing them was an affront to their lifestyle.
@@julieann4616 Read what you wrote again, until it clicks. AN AFFRONT TO THEIR LIFESTYLE!? Are you for real?!
@@Ranman1 lol yes I do know about Dr. Mervyn Silverman & his role as the Director of Health for San Francisco. I wish I was old enough to have married him, he was hot!!
I agree! The baths should have been shut down from the beginning. So many people needlessly died. So sad 😢!
Bath houses also offered unique opportunities for safe sex education.
I agree. Some of the men would have listened. It saved some lives.
I think that should have been pressed further rather than the closure of the bathhouses. It may have been too late for those infected already, but the bathhouses would have been a great place to reach young gay men who didn’t understand the epidemic. I hope the closure helped, but as stated in the episode, these men were most likely engaging in these behaviors in secret places that did not offer an opportunity for safe sex education.
If only we had responded to AIDS with even half of the (unconstitutional) vigor with which we responded to COVID.
We knew who was primarily spreading AIDS and what specific part of that identifiable group's lifestyle was implicated.
But God forbid we tell gays "no".
The spread of AIDS was akin to the universe trying to tell you something.
I’m afraid that the lack of response to AIDS and the resulting state of affairs was used to fear monger and frighten the general public when there was a new “pandemic” on the horizon. Sadly, it won’t be the last time that playbook is used to gradually take every last liberty we have left.
The ridiculous idea of the universe "trying to tell you something" is harmful, in that it informs the opinions of people (apparently, like yourself) who are scarcely affected by the scientific process. Moreover, are you a legal scholar qualified to assess the "constitutional vigor" (whatever that means) of a public policy?
What happened in the 1980s and 1990s with the AIDS crisis ought to be considered through a public health lens, to be sure, but also through an understanding of sociology and psychology, which can illuminate the complexity of human motivations. While a critique to the resistance of the closure of the baths is merited based on our understanding of the relevant medical and public health science, I also know what it feels like to grow up in a homophobic society bent on punishing you for your existence. Their responses were not unlike those who pushed back against the slightest guidance about covid prevention protocol and vaccinations.
We can extrapolate other situations to reveal the absurdity of your profoundly illogical reasoning. The notion of an interventionist universe that has intent leads to pronouncements that, say, a tornado in the Midwest USA is punishment for the bad choices of an entire population. Should they offer a rain dance to the "heavens" as penance? What immoralities were perpetrated by the dinosaurs to "invite" an asteroid to Earth, ultimately catalyzing their destruction? (Perhaps you are convinced that dinosaurs were a species concocted by evolution-promoting Darwinians?).