The Poppy War - Historical & VERY Grimdark Fantasy

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @ina7238
    @ina7238 11 месяцев назад +58

    God, I thank the universe that people like you exist because you have no idea how much you help people mentally every day. I know this comment has little to do with the video and the topic at hand, but you have no idea how much it HELPS me seeing you comment on women's work and treat it like something serious, not to be mocked. I have seen this in your other videos too, even if you don't like the book itself (which is perfectly fine, I don't like every book I read) you're never misogynistic, never attribute the bad writing/plot/etc to the author simply being female.
    THANK YOU. Thank you so much, because you'll never know how much this means to me, how much it helps me.

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +21

      Thank you for saying this! This means a lot to me. ❤ I hate seeing youtubers, particularly males, bashing on female authors and books for women. I despise it so much. Books are for everyone! Your comment is genuinely inspiring. It means my message is getting across and I'm being a influence for good. That's just what I need to hear.

  • @madamebelle-
    @madamebelle- 3 месяца назад +7

    I just finished the Poppy War trilogy + Drowning Faith and I have to stare at the wall and have some closure by watching RUclips reviews on the book. Yours is by far the best! Thank you for adding in the historical background of the trilogy's plot base. It took me a while to finish the trilogy because I have to dive in deep in Wikipedia and other websites to research on the real history, but you perfectly summed it up. 🎉

  • @JesseRad
    @JesseRad 10 месяцев назад +9

    What a wonderfully thorough review of this series. I haven't read it yet, but it just went WAY UP on the reading list. I love your positivity on your channel.

  • @AmandaInEly
    @AmandaInEly 11 месяцев назад +28

    Thank you for the historical context, that makes all tbe difference. Its generals and politicians who invent atrocities, not authors so much.

  • @marconieadventures5734
    @marconieadventures5734 11 месяцев назад +22

    I have a college degree in history, a minor in ancient civilization specifically China and Egypt and none of my courses went into detail about China’s war with Japan and Americas horrible decision at the end of it (as you’ve mentioned). I learned about this event from my in laws who are Chinese and from Hong Kong. I am floored that America and most countries do not teach the full depth of events. Especially if they have made questionable choices in those historical events.
    As always I loved your video and your historical deep dive. 💛

  • @ashtingreene8725
    @ashtingreene8725 7 месяцев назад +4

    I picked up The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang because of this series. Both, i think, are so important.
    I loved seeing a female villain arc that was actually believable. That is so rare and this was done so well.
    Worth the read if you have the stomach for it

  • @Callyth
    @Callyth 11 месяцев назад +11

    Poppy War has finally started moving up my to-read list, so this was a very timely video! Might have actually bumped it up even further. Anyway, super stoked to see you covering The Daevabad Trilogy next as it's one of my favourite fantasy series! Can't wait :)

  • @pimvanerven881
    @pimvanerven881 11 месяцев назад +3

    I found this series last year, I had never heard of it and thought it was gonna be YA for the first part. When it removed its cloak and became grimdark I was shocked but also loved it. I then finished the series in a matter of weeks.
    Great story!!!

  • @NateReadsDiversely
    @NateReadsDiversely 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thank you for explaining the history behind the series!!

  • @Ivotech
    @Ivotech 2 месяца назад +1

    Just finished reading the first book. Definitely wasn’t what I expected - with my expectations even changing as I was reading it. I loved the first part. I felt the second part was a bit weak and dragged a bit. Then I was absolutely blown away by the third part. Overall I loved it but I definitely think I want to read it again before I go into the second book. I think knowing where it is going will help me appreciate the second part more and it won’t be quite so jarring as the setting and situation changes.

  • @stickclan6415
    @stickclan6415 11 месяцев назад +1

    I had no intention of reading this book until I watched this video. Your explanation settled my concerns. Thank you for such a well researched review on this series.

  • @thankscovey
    @thankscovey 11 месяцев назад +1

    definitely adding this to my 'series-to-read' list. i really appreciate these videos!

  • @Paulovlyra
    @Paulovlyra 9 месяцев назад

    This channel is my favourite source of entertainment currently. Thank you

  • @thepacksurvives71
    @thepacksurvives71 11 месяцев назад +4

    I avoided the Poppy War for years because I thought it was YA. Imagine my surprise when I finally picked up the books myself.

  • @carlnelsonlegenant2951
    @carlnelsonlegenant2951 5 месяцев назад +2

    Just passing by to tell you how good and pleasant your review was to watch. The intro made me laugh and the way you covered very relevant aspects of this trilogy was simply brilliant! I’m subscribing, hats off.
    PS: Just wanted to recommend rightfully acclaimed Tokyo, by Mo Hayder, to plunge into the Nanjing massacre on another perspective. I look forward to reading The Poppy War though!

  • @hectatereads105
    @hectatereads105 11 месяцев назад +1

    So excited to see another of your videos! I’m a little nervous about Poppy War, but will at least try it. Thanks for the historical background

  • @saraswatmajumdar1630
    @saraswatmajumdar1630 2 месяца назад

    Love the way u explain and present urself … (just a note that i have just finished the poppy war and came to check on others pov.)…20 mins just flew by !❤

  • @WillJMeakin
    @WillJMeakin 8 месяцев назад +1

    If you want a good semi-fictitious sci-fi story based on Unit 731 I'd recommend the short story "The Man Who Ended History: A Documentary" by Ken Liu, in the compilation of his short stories The Paper Menagerie.

  • @daniela-ml7bn
    @daniela-ml7bn 28 дней назад

    I’m late to watching this video but I’m a huge fan of the poppy war and I actually went to an event with R F Kuang this week - no surprise she is an amazingly smart and thoughtful person - I was lucky to ask her a question - I asked her about how she thinks about adapting real life atrocities like the rape of nanjing to fantasy and she gave a very interesting answer about how any interpretation of history and historiography is already skewed - I don’t remember the specifics and I’m not doing it justice - I’m excited for her new book which she shared had a magic system based on philosophical logic

  • @margarethaines9310
    @margarethaines9310 11 месяцев назад +1

    Your perspective and research adds much to my reading experience. The first book swept me away with its world and its characters. Your review here encourages me to un-click the "pause" button and continue the series - thanks!

  • @kurathchibicrystalkitty5146
    @kurathchibicrystalkitty5146 9 дней назад

    I've never heard a content warning delivered via song before. 🤣 I already knew that this series was absolutely 100% not for me, but I was curious to hear your thoughts anyway and learn more.

  • @mattbarker1840
    @mattbarker1840 9 месяцев назад +1

    I loved this series so much. That’s all I wanted to say.

  • @Erinn_Nicole
    @Erinn_Nicole 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you! very excited to read this one. I have all of them on my shelf and have almost started them for months. and YAY Daveabad Trilogy! my favorite series that I read this year!!!

  • @paulafox9482
    @paulafox9482 11 месяцев назад

    I'm so excited to try this! Thanks for the recommendation-sounds right up my street ☺️

  • @agentswarley
    @agentswarley 11 месяцев назад +1

    Your videos are fantastic! I enjoy them so much. As for the series - I still think about *that* chapter in book 1, it was so horrific, even more so when you look up the real event and realise it was even worse. For me, the series was too dark, depressing and violent, I actually preferred everything up until we left the school setting. I also thought that the plot and the writing weren’t that strong, I gave all three books three stars. However, I do find that the books are pretty consistent, are interesting in themes and concept and the ending to me was consistent and well done.

  • @Alkemisti
    @Alkemisti 11 месяцев назад +2

    _The Poppy War_ is the first novel (not the first book though) I have listened to as an audiobook. I generally do not like audiobooks because my ADD throws my mind into other spheres too easily, and with an audiobook it is bothersome to always try to find the 'page' where my attention dropped. But because of its simple prose, _The Poppy War_ was easy to understand, and with audio I require that, for I am a non-Anglophone. (When reading text, the prose may be as purple as you can paint it. I love English poetry.)
    I have not read the sequals. It was too grim and dark for me at the time. I might reconsider reading them. The first book is still clear in my mind.
    PS. There's a good video on Japanese war crimes on the _Hello Future Me_ channel. I recommend that.

  • @epicanime009
    @epicanime009 10 месяцев назад

    Finding it hilarious you suggest pushing through the magic " school" part cause that was ironically the part of the video that sold me. Love magic training/ camps/ school sections of stories, cool way to introduce characters and world in a safeish enviroment before shit gets real.

  • @Brp220
    @Brp220 11 месяцев назад

    Yay I enjoyed this video and your analysis (especially because I have been procrastinating book 3 of this series for months). Maybe this will get me to pick it up.

  • @jacobswift
    @jacobswift 11 месяцев назад

    I was watching your discworld video and thought, “dang this guy should get a microphone,”
    Good shit my man, I love the production quality growth

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад

      Haha!!! Thanks buddy! 😊 yeah my first couple of videos are a bit scary, but figured it out as I went along. Still more to learn though!

  • @QazwerDave
    @QazwerDave 29 дней назад +1

    Yes !
    You are the baddies !

  • @rafaelsousa2633
    @rafaelsousa2633 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for another great video.
    A friend read this series and he was very put off by how unlikeable the main character is. He also said he didn't like the dialogues. It was not the best of lights, but your video put in another perspective.
    Have you read the Dandelion Dynasty? I've heard only good things about it and it might do an interesting video.

  • @williams7031
    @williams7031 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this. I appreciate your work here.

  • @Mila-h5t
    @Mila-h5t 7 месяцев назад

    What an amazing review, thank you!

  • @SaduranYT
    @SaduranYT 11 месяцев назад

    If anyone speaks spanish, the podcast "La Tortulia" has some excellent episodes about the historical poppy wars in China

  • @Sevoran117
    @Sevoran117 11 месяцев назад +2

    I very much enjoyed the trilogy. I did want more lore on the gods and a little more fights with SHAMAN POWERS, but I get that wasn't really her focus. Probably going to reread soon.

  • @albertorozco3652
    @albertorozco3652 11 месяцев назад

    Could you make a review of The name of the wing? Please

  • @BooksRebound
    @BooksRebound 11 месяцев назад +2

    You gotta tackle Dandelion Dynasty!

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for the suggestion! I just looked it up, and it seems really interesting! I've added it to my list.

    • @BooksRebound
      @BooksRebound 11 месяцев назад

      @@cronkthebookguy It's a super compelling series but it took me 2 tries to get into book 1. However plenty of my favorite books are ones that took me multiple attempts. Like Fifth Season, Baru Cormorant, Gnomon, etc
      The series is based on Chinese history as well and covers some very well known events. Ive heard the series described as the first of a nee Silkpunk genre. Book one doesn't have much tech, however the later books come up with a lot of very interesting mechanical devices that are really ingenious.
      The first book is about the fall of the corrupt awful emperor Mapidere and the riss of two best friends who fight to change the country before eventually diverging as they have different vision of the future. There's a conflict between our MC Kuni Garu's Dandelion Dynasty and his frenemy Mata Xindu's Chrysanthemum Throne. The first book got some criticism for its women, however he steps things up in subsequent books and the women become my fav characters. Especially Thera! Hope you enjoy it.
      Also have you read the Sun Eater books? They're incredible. Daniel Green is FINALLY covering them and they're so worth picking up. The quick pitch is The Name of the Wind + Dune + Red Rising. Hadrian Marlowe is a hero to some, villain to others. He's the man who burned every last alien Cielcin out of the dark sea between stars. He extinguished a sun, killing the Cielcin while also instantly snuffing out the lives of billions of humans living in the process. Great series

  • @Nijenor
    @Nijenor 11 месяцев назад +1

    This channel keeps weirdly matching up with my reading. Have been reading Burning God for the last month. Love the book and the series, this book takes me a bit longer than I'd expected but think that's mostly related to timing on my part.
    I remember having to take a few months break after the first before I felt the urge to read the second book but I was reading it during Russia's invasion so that will probably have played a role in that too.

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +1

      Oh wow! Didn't mean to predict what you're reading. That is pretty cool though. :)
      Also that is fair! I hit pause on a book recently cause it talked about police violence against people of colour. It was overwhelming and depressing! It's good to read that stuff and be aware of what's going on, but it can be painful too. Sometimes, you gotta go slow.

  • @RubALamp
    @RubALamp 11 месяцев назад +1

    8:40 would you say this is similar to what happened in Red Rising? Because the books that follow (Golden Son and so on) are much more than what the first book suggests.

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, to an extent. Its not as extreme a difference as in red rising. But definitely a shift in tone and style.

    • @RubALamp
      @RubALamp 11 месяцев назад

      @@cronkthebookguy Awesome. I've been wanting to check out these books for a while. Thank you for your videos!

  • @sweney7103
    @sweney7103 9 месяцев назад +1

    I thought everything was great but it needed more. I think some details were left out that really dragged it down for me. Also the pacing at times is jumpy tying into the story missing things. Notably, Chaghan's arc leaves out a ton of things I think should have been said. The trifecta's ending also felt extremely underwhelming and rushed. I loved everything else about this series, however. Definitely a worthwhile read if you like grimdark historical(ish) fantasy.

  • @MsAdaCat
    @MsAdaCat 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for the historical context. I didn't know any of that 😲 So horrible 😭

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +1

      I know. :( I researched so much, and had to censor most of it for the video. 😭

  • @housecreeper
    @housecreeper День назад

    HISTORY MADE IT SO 🗣️🗣️🗣️ WE CANT TURN A BLIND EYE TO TRUTH BC ITS UNCOMFORTABLE. THE VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS DESERVE OUR AWARENESS

  • @arinad2
    @arinad2 11 месяцев назад

    Yet again my tbr grows longer due to your recs😂

  • @SkaterErik333
    @SkaterErik333 11 месяцев назад +1

    I trust you The Book Guy 👍

  • @Fabulist
    @Fabulist 11 месяцев назад +5

    It’s interesting to me that the people who are praising this book are almost universally white, while readers who are of Chinese descent and/or actually are familiar with Chinese culture think this book is, to use a British term, a load of bollocks.
    I mean, the name of the country is “Nikan”, which in Manchurian literally means “Chinese People”. Right from the jump that’s just weird. Imagine King Arthur living in a country named “British People”. Then there are the random names Kuang used for her characters - some are real, some are fictional, some are deities. It’s a bizarre mish-mash of random characters. Imagine that your main character teams up with people named Thomas Jefferson, Jesus Christ, Mickey Mouse and John Wick. That’s how actually bizarre this book is.
    Then there are the place names, specifically that she names various locations and groups of people after the Chinese zodiac. I did a deep dive into various zodiacal systems some years ago, focusing primarily on the Western, Chinese and Indian ones (but there are several others), and I have a hard time imagining that many people would cheerfully serve the “Rat King”. (The only gendered animal in the Chinese zodiac is the Dragon; everything else is the gender neutral word. Westerners call it the Year of the Rooster, for example, but in Chinese it’s the Year of the Chicken. Yay, go Team Chicken People!)
    The ignorance of Chinese history also plays into the horrific massacres described, because we don’t have any political or religious opinions about them. Plus the main character seems to get over these monstrous events pretty quickly despite taking outsized revenge for them. Imagine instead of the massacres depicted in the book that Kuang described 9/11 and the subsequent American retaliation against two countries that had nothing to do with it. That would inspire some ire, I think. Except she does it even worse. Suppose in retaliation for Ruby Ridge she nuked Washington DC. *That* is the sort of behavior we see in this book. It’s like every hundred pages Kuang got bored with her tale and throws in a genocide to perk things up again. And still the characters are like, “Oh yeah, I guess that happened. Rin totes when Dark Phoenix on those folks, murdering all those innocent children, but it’s not as bad as when she served me tea out of order! The disrespect!”
    Leaving aside personal opinions about the actual writing, one has to admit this is a weird mix-and-match of random stuff topped off by the problematic dismissal of real-world tragedies.

  • @Paulovlyra
    @Paulovlyra 9 месяцев назад

    17:43 I laughed so hard here 😂😂😂😂

  • @nucausa
    @nucausa Месяц назад

    yeah honestly i did like them i just had a lot of issues with the pacing, plot twists and the constant loop of trust and betrayal, it got repetitive by the second book and Rin as a protagonist was 1 dimensional in her attempt to be complex via emotion, loved the character development which we only saw after she went kinda crazy and the magic system was rather good but a bit bland, I would have liked more explanation on the relation between gods and possible combinations or team ups of said gods, it would have been awesome to have seen more of how the drug problem is tied to her powers and mabey give more substance to her recovery (as someone who was once an addict I belive the process deserves more attention but I fully admit to being bias in this topic), its better then harry potters magic system but its not really polished as something as Avatar or even Percy Jackson (the books) , Lastly it had an awesome setting and very good supporting cast, 6.5/10 , its a good fist read but its not something you would revisit
    Ps: Justice for Venca :,(

  • @CodyMitchell-sr6lp
    @CodyMitchell-sr6lp 11 месяцев назад

    What camera do you use to film videos?

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +2

      Don't laugh, but I use my phone. 😅 Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G
      You actually don't need a super powerful camera for youtube. The videos only get uploaded in 1080p anyway. So a 4K or 8K camera is overkill! You have to lower the graphics of the video anyway, so why pay more? If you want to film something more visually involved, by all means get a better camera. But for talking? A HD camera will do fine.

  • @a.l.reedsbooks
    @a.l.reedsbooks 10 месяцев назад

    Dad jokes on point! 😅

  • @TehreemZainab-km5rj
    @TehreemZainab-km5rj 5 дней назад

    Can anyone maybe recommend books similar to the poppy wars ??

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  4 дня назад +1

      @TehreemZainab-km5rj I'd say Thr Fifth Season, and Red Rising are very similar.
      Good quality writing, dark content, draws a lot from real world history, strong character writing.
      I do have videos on both if that helps.

    • @TehreemZainab-km5rj
      @TehreemZainab-km5rj 4 дня назад

      @@cronkthebookguy yeah thank u ill be sure to check them out !

  • @kylebuonomo2557
    @kylebuonomo2557 11 месяцев назад +5

    I found your channel yesterday while I was procrastinating for my finals, love your in depth thoughts and I have the poppy war trilogy just chillin on my shelf, I’ve heard amazing things and I just finished the 6th book of Red Rising on Tuesday and I’ve been eager for some more pain and violence 😈🦦

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +1

      'Eager for pain and violence'! Love that! 😁 and yes, you've come to the right place. Poppy war has similar vibes and themes to red rising. Though...possibly more violence?? 🫢

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  11 месяцев назад +2

      Oh and good luck on your finals, my friend! Kick their butts! 👏

    • @kylebuonomo2557
      @kylebuonomo2557 11 месяцев назад

      @@cronkthebookguy thank you :D I finished my last one of the semester a couple of hours ago and FINALLY got to start reading The Sword of Kaigen which I chose to read after lightbringer but poppy war and the First Law series were both a few of the other options I was choosing between on my shelf 🙃 probably going to go into the poppy war when I’m done after watching this :)

    • @kylebuonomo2557
      @kylebuonomo2557 11 месяцев назад

      @@cronkthebookguy I used to read when I was a kid but once I got to like real school age and was told to read things, I just lost interest in reading for the last like 10 years. But now I’m in college and wanted to have something to do inbetween classes other than my phone and that’s when I discovered Red Rising, I read the first book in like 4 days and was immediately back into the idea of reading :)
      Since then I’ve read all 6 red rising books that are out, the first mistborn book, bought quite a few other series, and am now like 70 pages further into Sword of Kaigen than I was this morning :D
      Also I appreciate the effort and care you clearly put into your videos it’s refreshing and it feels very honest which I find very helpful for book reviews 👍🦦

    • @sn00k3_9
      @sn00k3_9 6 месяцев назад

      im curious. what did you think of kaigen. I just finished it and Its good but I dont get all the hype

  • @sydneyomo7382
    @sydneyomo7382 11 месяцев назад +4

    I’ve read R.F Kuang’s Babel book and I absolutely loved it. I’ve been thinking about this series but I wasn’t sure till now. Thank you!

  • @Adelynoir
    @Adelynoir 6 месяцев назад +2

    I didnt like this story because it also completely ignores Chinese Imperialism over Taiwan, Korea, and Manchuria! Native Manchurians were pushed out by the Han Chinese decades before. Then the Russians took Manchuria, and Japan took Manchuria from the Russians.
    The Taiwan allegory( Taiwan was taken by the Japnese duting the first Sino-Japanese war) has no mention of the native people being eliminated, and their culture and language erased by the Chinese. Oh, and lets not forget that Nanjing was the capital of the Heavenly Kingdom durint the Taiping rebellion against the Qing Dynasty their wnlisted military R*** AND M**** 200,000-300,000 people died.
    Not 100 years later during the second Sino Japanese war, Nanjing was the capital for the Nationalist Kuomintang party which is why it was attacked. The party fled to Taiwan. An estimated 40,000-300,000 people died.Just undern100 years between these two atrocities. But this wasnt the end. Nanjing had to endure battle once again just 10 years later when the PLA captured it from the KMT. And soon after, the PRC was born.
    All of this, again, taking place after the destruction of the QING dynasty. Why would she not just make up a dynasty? Or, better yet, have the original war that killed the charecter's family be the one that abolished the monarchy? This book claims to be about history but spits in the face of the actual complex and compelling hostprybof China

    • @An-ed6kr
      @An-ed6kr Месяц назад

      I mean, there are a few paralels about Sperlees and other side-country groups of people that suffered Chinese imperialism, or well, Nikan imperialism. Yes, the focus of the first book was on how Chinese people saw Mugen (Japan) at second Sino-japanese war, but Kuang didn't stop there and talk about how unfair Nikan (China) were, also mentioned Mugen (Japan) wasn't the true "enemy".

  • @turtleanton6539
    @turtleanton6539 10 месяцев назад

    🎉🎉🎉🎉😊

  • @turtleanton6539
    @turtleanton6539 10 месяцев назад

    Hmmm

  • @BertzTriscut
    @BertzTriscut 10 месяцев назад

    "Names that aren't too hard to pronounce."
    (Says nez-hah instead of nuh-jhuh)
    I joke in good faith, Mandarin is fucking impossible. I've given up on learning it like 13 times.

    • @cronkthebookguy
      @cronkthebookguy  10 месяцев назад +1

      Oh NOOO! I dramatically undercut my own point! 🤣

  • @nichellecox4846
    @nichellecox4846 11 месяцев назад

    I will admit I am reluctant to pick up these books because of Yellowface and I had such an awful time reading it, with its overt racism and such and unlikeable MC that I got so angry with that I got halfway through and yeeted it across the room. Which is very disappointing because every book has something to tell but I do feel that liking the MC (or something about them) should be a given in the book.

    • @michaeljdauben
      @michaeljdauben 7 месяцев назад

      I don't think my experience is by any means universal but by the end of Poppy Wars I really hated the MC and would have been happy if the author just killed her off and switched to a new MC.