On the Atari 7800 version of Choplifter, you can only load so many people at a time. When then wave, they are telling you the chopper is full. Drop them off at the post office and go back for the rest of the hostages.
7800 still used an inferior 8-bit processor to the NES...I still remember as a kid my mom giving me a choice of an NES with just Mario bundle in or a 7800 that they were clearancing with 20 games shrink-wrapped and bundled in with the system. No contest, I went with the NES.
They both used variants of the 6502, with the NES adding a sound generator while losing out on binary coded decimal arithmetic. The graphics systems were entirely different though
The NES & Atari 7800 actually use the EXACT SAME CPU a MOS technology 6502 which is the same CPU in the Atari 2600, 5200 & Turbo grafix. All those machines have different graphics hardware with very different capabilities though.
I really love Atari. I grew up on a brand new light sixer in the late '70s and early '80s. The one thing that really gets me about the 7800 is that it seemed Atari was way advanced in hardware, they couldn't get out of the coin-op mindset and utilize the video game for what it could have been even in the early eighties. I never really liked playing the coin op game ports because, well, it just ate time with no sense of forward accomplishment. One of my best games I liked was actually on the Colecovision called gateway To Apshai. I also did like Adventure and (even though I never figured them out) the Swordquest games. Just wish they would have developed more games with real adventure and ends.
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Master System was popular outside of US, and more than the NES in many places, like where I'm from. Would make sense to have those two go head to head.
Especially considering how different versions of many games are. Think Double Dragon, Renegade, Ninja Gaiden, etc. It would be a fun video. It’s hit and miss for both systems on which game for which system is better.
I own Choplifter! for both the 7800 and Sega Master System. The 7800 port only has the first level. The SMS version, ported from Sega's Arcade version, contains ALL levels and is by far the better version. I don't think the NES version was ever released, at least in North America.
Nice video. One piece of advise, you keep commenting on the sound but you never let us stop and hear it, just constantly filling up any space with your voice. And your sound is much louder than that of the game. Which is fine, but give us 3-5 seconds of just the game sound so we can hear what you are talking about.
I just found out the other day that the Atari 2600 was capable of generating a 3D environment. Very basic for sure, but 3D anyway. The game in question is about navigating a maze, while some creatures chase you. I believe that the Atari 7800 was more powerful than the Nes, but without good games and the best people to make them, it failed.
It was relatively better than the nes in terms of ram and video ram, it had an ok video chip, but it had a pooo poo sound chip, the NES had a way better sound chip and mappers inside the cartridges that made it superior in practical terms
@@SeñorDossierOficial The 7800 was designed by an outside company. They put a TIA chip so that it could run 2600 games and the makers were already designing a custom sound chip the would have sounded fantastic (according to what I've read). But when Jack "Cheapskate" Tramiel took over the company he stopped the sound chip project and put the 7800's into a warehouse but when the video game market picked up, he started selling the 7800's again. He also had a problem getting companies to write games for the 7800 due to Nintendo's ILLEGAL practice of forbidding companies who wrote games for the NES to write the same games for other game platforms. So, like Microsoft's applications, they used somewhat illegal practices to control the market - they cheated their way to the top. (Microsoft would make changes to Windows and release them KNOWING it crashed programs written by their competitors. I know this for a fact because it happened to ME).
If if the 7800 had better visuals it still wouldn't matter because it used the same sound chip the 2600 used in 1979! What were they thinking doing that? Yes I know it supported additional sound chips in the cartridge but no developer wanted to pay the extra cost to do that. I think BallBlazer was the only game that used an additional sound chip and it isn't like it had amazing sound.
The sound was bad because it was the same processor as the 2600, it was needed to for the system to be backwards compatible. I honestly don't think comparing the systems for sound is fair. Compare the gameboy sound to the 7800 and see which one is better.
The crappy sound on most 7800 games is due to the console using the old TIA (combined graphics and sound chip for the Atari 2600) for sound. The exception being Commando which had its own sound chip on cartridge. 3:51 "all three levels"?
The 7800 was a chipset that was created years before and shelved. Instead of adding a decent sound chip, for 2600 compatibility they retained the original 2600 sound chip only. Jack Tramiel, to cut costs, also limited cartridge size, which limited games dramatically. There are currently created titles for the 7800, which illustrate the true capabilities of the hardware.
Some great comparisons and I agree with most of them but have two observations. 1) Have you played Commando in the arcades? It's throws even more enemies than on NES and is much harder. In my opinion the NES port looks, sounds and plays much better, it ads secret stages not found in the arcade and it was actually developed by Capcom unlike the Atari 7800 port done by Sculptured Software. 2) The best arcade port of Choplifter wasn't on the Atari 7800 or NES, it was on the Sega Master System! 😉
Yeah the 7800 had potential, but as it was already aged hardware by the time they released it that was one thing, of many, working against it. another thing from what I understand is when Jack Trammell was still in charge of Atari he really was just trying to unload these things he had no intention of really pushing it as a real console. One choice in particular was he limited the memory size of cartridges to very small. Which meant even developers who might want to develop larger more complex games on the Atari simply could not have. Using the 2600s sound chip was a good concept for backwards compatibility but I personally think they should have gone with an all new sound chip and scrapped the backwards compatibility. When the 7800 was designed it was still the time of one screen arcade games, or very most games that had a few screens like donkey Kong. So when they were designing this to be a successor of the 5200, which had failed as a console, and to finally supersede the 2600, the main goal of the architecture of the system was to emulate arcade games of the early to mid 1980s. But between the time when the 7800 was created and it's eventually release Nintendo had changed the landscape of gaming. Games like Super Mario Bros and Zelda went far beyond anything that had come before them in terms of scope. While the 7800 could certainly have had games like that if larger cartridges The better sound chips and third-party developers had chosen the 7800 to develop on... Well simply put that didn't happen. What we have with the 7800 is a missed possibility to have been a better contender, and a few glimpses of what the system could have been capable of. Spec wise it's not a bad system, but in its day on the market it never got the love or support it would have needed to shine.
7800 was stronger than NES, and it was released 1 year after, as 7800 was released in 84, and the famicom was released in 83. it wasn't dated, if it was dated than the NES was really outdated until 4th generation MMC chips and mappers inside the cartridges. Seeing the video creator comment is odd you'd think he's look up the history when doing comparisons.
@@edsonbubsy7697 true I misremembered that I guess I was thinking of the NES release date and not the famicom release date on that. Regardless the 7800 architecture was certainly different than the NES especially in terms of Sprite rendering capabilities. I think the goal with Atari was still thinking of older arcade games with multiple Sprites on screen rather than scrolling platform or type games. But given what I've seen programmed on the 700 especially with Homebrew stuff it seems to me that it would have been a much better competitor had people learn the architecture better had larger cart memory to work with & had the system released when intended. I've always had a soft spot for the 7800 because I owned one before I ever got a Nintendo I was a very big Atari 2600 Fanboy way back when and I thought the 7800 was The logical conclusion to be the next Super system. Well history had a different interpretation that I did lol But I still think the 7800 could have been a better competitor with a slight bit of tweaking and better management for Atari. the European NES style gamepad for this 7800 would have been nice touch to sell in the United States also to hopefully move the pause button off the console and onto the controller. They should have put a pokey chip in the 1700 itself rather than having to force manufacturers to put it on the carts increasing the cost. But if those three things have been done to the system and maybe a version to released and better software support... Well it probably would have done better than the Master system at least. and don't get me wrong I never owned a Master system but I was quite a fan of it one of my friends had one and I was always impressed with the games
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 Nope, the 7800 at launch, which actually released in NA months before the NES nationwide in spring 86, sold out, in fact Atari sold every console they could make. One thing that you have to realize is that Nintendo had gotten a lot of money after dominating japan and made deals with retailers that allowed them a lot of access during their test run which led to them having more consoles available, this was helped by an immoral and illegal policy at the time of third party devlopers not being allowed to bring their games to other consoles. So Atari and Sega were both handicapped due to a lack of games, and since Nintendo could incentivize retailers due to the amount of games the other two didn't have much of a chance at competing even with the games they had. Sega and Atari had little third party, half the time the third party would license the game to Atari or Sega and either they would have to produce their own version of that game, or license another developer to do it because the original developer was legally obligated to only keep produce games on the NES directly. IN hindsight, looking at the fool picture, outside earlier legal pressure or Nintendo never having that policy, there isn't really a way for the 7800 ti "win" in addition theres another aspect that needs to be considered: The 7800 was from Atari Corp, which was mostly broke until the money from the success of the Atari ST computer came in, so that is why Atari had a limited amount of consolesit could make, all sold out, what's funny is there was no way for Atari or Sega to know about what Nintendo did until late 86 into 87, Atari was expecting consoles to sell 100,000-200,000 or so consoles the first year they came out which was reasonable, NES selling around 1 million and having 10x the games before a full year went by over both its competition through both companies off and caused court cases to frequently appear. This also in turn caused western developers outside a few to stay far away from Nintendo. The reason why the later Genesis succeeded was because that policy was over, and not being Nintendo attracted more western developers to the Genesis consoles. If Nintendo held on to that policy the SNES wouldn't have sold less than the NES and the Genesis would have been a major flop. So when looking at the 7800 it's not really Atari's fault given there financial position and not having a crystal ball. Even the biggest games on the NES were arcade games, heck SMB is an arcade game, and while side scrollers weren't on the 7800 Computer and PC genres were, from simulators to pseudo 3d games, adventure games, and the usual arcade games. Sure, some of it was Atari's fault, like Atari Corp not risking money by including the pokey sound chip in EVERY cartridge for every developer free or for a cheap price, so most games outside of 3 used the TIA 2600 chip, however it was also more capable, and was the cheapest of the 3 consoles between them, Sega, and Nintendo, which would have worked if they were able to have more games during the first couple years. I would say Atari's biggest mistake overall was still selling the 2600, the 2600jr redesign looked similar to the 7800 and outsold the 7800 and Sega Master system combined selling around 4-5 million units starting 1986-1992, a lot of people don't mention that, but it shows the old games were still hot since it was the real second place console in NA. Not releasing that 2600jr. would have given the Backwards compatible 7800 more sales. However only somewhat, as without games it's hard to move consoles, and you had to have a presence otherwise you can do what Nintendo did and take most the shelf space.
I had the Nes and Sega Master System back when they were current. I was always a huge Sega fan growing up and quickly moved to the Genesis in 1989. Having said that...what the Hell does that have to do with this video? Basically, I really don't have a dog on this fight; However, I will say the Nes absolutely creams the 7800 in almost every area. Yes, the 7800's hardware was technically more advanced (minus the sound, yuck) but Atari never did anything with it. Unlike Sega, Atari really didn't show us anything truly special until the Atari Lynx (1989) and Jaguar (1994). I still can't believe the 7800 sold more consoles than the Sega Master System. The Master System (hardware) was by far much stronger than either the Nes or 7800 (minus the sound without the FM add-on). Look at Rampage for all three machines to see which 8-bit console ruled them all. Addendum- The sound difference is due to Atari's owner being cheap. The 7800 only has the old 2600 sound chipset making it severely dated for its time. They did design a sound chip for the 7800 that was great. Unfortunately, developers had to pay extra if they wanted their games to sound right *Commando running on the Pokey sound chip. Nintendo wasn't about to pay Atari for better sound out of a competitors machine.
@@Rafael_Francisco I know the Master System was rocking hard outside of the US. I was so jealous Europeans got to play games that never came here. The pictures of freaking Ninja Gaiden on the Master System in game mags blew my mind. At the time I didn't know Brazil was into gaming at all. It was a place on the globe that I had never visited before (I was 5-7 years old).
You need to look into the Atari 8 bit computers. They are impressive. Master System was king though, (popular here in Australia more than NES) exceptional for the horrible sound! Eek.
Galaga? Mario Bros.? Ballblazer? Ms. Pac-Man? I know you said you did not want to talk about Dig Dug, Xevious, and Joust, but you could do a second video with all those games.
Enjoyed the video, I didn't realize the 7800 was less powerful than the NES? I 'd love a comparison between games shared between the Sega CD, CDI, Jaguar and 3DO.
It's graphically more powerful when hardware used properly, developers given adequate cartridge space, but behind the Sega Master System, sound Wise it's behind both.
Good video! Nice comparison of the Atari 7800 and Nintendo systems! I remember the Choplifter game. I do believe this game came out on the Atari 8-bit computer and Commodore 64 too
Nintendo takes the cake for me. They have more detailed graphics when compared to the Atari 7800. The Atari 7800 runs on a standard 6502, while the NES runs on a modified 6502.
To get really great sound on the 7800 , programmers add the powerful Pokey chip to the cartridges. Seeing that the Pokey chip is pretty cheap almost all the homebrews are using the pokey chip in the carts!
This influenced my decision NOT to buy an Atari 7800. However I do kinda want one only because it plays 2600 games but in that case why not just buy a 2600?
When I saw screenshots of xenophobe on the 7800 after I purchased my NES, I literally questioned my purchase. Could I have bought the wrong console, I said to myself. But alas, after seeing OTHER screenshots, I realized I made the correct decision. Now shade thrown to the 7800 though.
Atari got owned by the NES. The NES came in and won the 1980's console market. The other companies just couldn't compete. The NES had an amazing game library and great video game characters like Mario. The Atari 7800 and Master System just showed up lacking in comparison. It's not enough to make a good game console, you also have to make great games and get other third party developers on board. Then you have to make it popular enough such that almost everyone has the console. The NES just so happen to be at the right place at the right time.
Sega and Atari couldn't get many 3rd party devs for most of the 80s because Nintendo made the devs sign contracts that barred them from selling their games on competing systems. That was eventually challenged in court and ruled illegal, but the damage had already been done. Sega manged to bounce back, but Atari stumbled with more bad management decisions.
Except for Commando. If more 7800 games used the sound expansion chip they could have been on par with NES. Commando might even sound better on 7800. The drums on the NES constantly cut out, while 7800 keeps the beat. Ballblazer is another one that sounded cool. 7800 was made so carts could have their own sound chip but 99% of the developers didnt put in the money for it, and they ended up sounding the same as 2600.
@@SecondOpinionGames1 it really, really cost them, putting 2600 sound as standard on your flagship 8-bit console was an absolute moment of utter ignorance, but it's Atari.
@@dad7275 Intellivsion isn't even in the same generation as Coleco and 5200, those were third gen systems for years until the early wiipedia days where the generation numbers got screwed up. Doesn't make sense to call Coleco second gen then call the Sega SG1000 third when they came out a year apart and the SG1000 is a Colecovision clone. Power difference is night and day, Intellivision was made to compete against the 2600 and it shows.
It's fully compatible with the games in a software perspective, it's just certain games have a non standard case which doesn't allow them to fit into the cartridge slot. This can be fixed if you modify the cartridge guide that goes over the cartridge slot on the board. If you Google search for Atari 7800 cartridge guide modification you'll see. Someone even 3D printed a replacement cart guide to replace the stock one.
Nintendo wanted to extend the life of their games by making them near impossible to beat. Nowadays you have to try to lose because games are constantly autosaving any progress you make... really annoyed the shit out of my on rdr2 i had to disable autosave
How are any of these considered the same game they might have the same name but they're complete different games on both systems just with the same idea and same name but they look different they run different I wouldn't really say they're the same game they're similar they're related but they're not the same
I owned the 7800 versions of Ms PacMan and Mario Bros back in the day. They were great. I had a lot of fun with those games. I didn’t have an NES and my friends who did, didnt have Ms PacMan or Mario Bros. So, there was no need to ‘compare’ the games back then. Didn’t matter. We thought they were fun.
@@mrp4242 true. Mario looks just as fun actually. It just has better sound on Nes if I'm being picky. And just for fun I'd say Ms. Pacman on 7800 seems even better than Genesis and Snes. The Tengen versions on Nes, Snes, and Genesis have blind spots where you can't see the ghosts, as where 7800 everything fits on the screen like the arcade. No scrolling needed. Nes also has a Namco release but the stage layouts seem off with strange colors and also seems a bit slower. I'm sure they're all fun though. It's just the little things. Edit: correction, the snes version says its Williams not Tengen, though its identical to the Genesis Tengen version in every way.. so that's kinda odd. The 16 bit versions have lots of nice options to keep it interesting but I'd rather just have everything on screen at once like the arcade/7800.
Literally the NES beat up all Atari consoles in every sense, its so awfull seing someone defending Atari so bad when they could have actually killed all the game industry as we know. Its normal as an US citizen that all of you will defend an american company like Atari but this is too much, Atari was just robbing everybodys money despite of they being your childhood, hard to admit but its the true. Its even more amazing that this 2 consoles cost barely the same
About 75 percent of the time I use real hardware. But my recording setup is just a mess of wires and converters. The bad coaxle port on my failing system can be a problem 😞
I really like the Atari 7800 for its awesome arcade ports. But the NES did blow them away in many cases. Really a tragedy that the 5200 was released instead of the 7800 a couple years earlier. It could have really changed history for Atari. What would have also been interesting is if other countries got the Famicom and PC-Engine at the same time Japan did. It was a long wait. Until then Home Computers were where it was at. All those years in between the Atari 2600 and what was being shown on this video my friends and I spent countless hours on C64, Atari 800, and TI994a. Those were great times.
@@SecondOpinionGames1 I never said they were the same. I'm saying you shouldn't hit the one or the other based on their gender. Pretty basic stuff really.
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Cool! To be clear, I don't have personal favoritism or bias towards Coleco. Atari 2600 was my first console ever but I had a friend with ColecoVision and even as a kid I knew it was a much more powerful console.
You are quoting long ignorant history that makes it why video game history is never taken seriously. Atari 7800 was supposed be out on 1984 but was delayed two years due to negotiations with GCC, and when the 7800 came out in 1986 it came out months before the NES which only released nationwide in September with only test markets before hand. This video was made in 2020 yet have 2005 AVGN facts. Another thing, 7800 was more powerful but both it and NES made games to different ways. NES went with tiles and was made for it in mind, and the large cartridges and access from the cartridge to the GPU allowed developers to put in chips to enhance the graphics, which the 7800 was competitive with until 89-1990 with games like SMB3 had more advanced chips than before. Those the chips wouldn't rectify short comings like limited sprites on screen without flicker, slowdown, and lack of sprites to make 3D-like objects. While the 7800 was Sprite based and did not have tiles it still handled well but a game like F18 hornet cannot be done on an NES no matter how many or how powerful the chips in the roms are because the NES does not have the sprite number or manipulation ability to create a 3D plane with a floor, ceiling and background allowing smooth gameplay. F18 hornet also had cars, that are actually polygons, though primitive and using sprites they can create draw distance and objects like gates which are all sprites but seem 3D. Ballblazer is another simpler example, an earlier titles showcasing the 7800's sprite manipulation abilities of its Maria chip. The NES has ballblazer as well with additional access to memory and mappers but can't run the game like the 7800 can. It has a more pixelated ground plane which doesn't always move smoothly that isn't as clean, and the actually characters and "ball" itself are jerky and even more pixelated with flicker occurring as the ball and characters move around. When looking at games shared on both NES will always win in the sprite detail and clarity department since nearly all the shared games are tile-based where Atari will win in comparisons with games like Ballblazer, flight sims, and games that have many sprites or bullets on screen. This is why in games like Commando or other shared run n' guns, the 7800 will have less detailed sprites or blurry sprites but win in background terrain and amount of enemies on screen. Or why games like Xevious will have the terain be flat colored while the 7800 version will have more detail on the ground, but the actually sprites of the player and enemies look better on NES, though some of that is fixed through generations of graphical enhancer chips some core issues will always remain on the NES. Sadly, NES had a two-year exclusive policies on games that was later removed due to legal pressure, and this had kept Atari, and Sega at the time, from a slew of third-party games and by the time the first of those contracts expired it was 1988 and developers didn't see profit in putting any games on either console, this also kept western developers on computers until the Genesis than later 3DO and PSX came out, as the Master System and 7800 were so far behind in game count that some news papers and retailers acted as if they never existed which is a shame but Nintendo would have that advantage until the SNES when those contracts were removed. Sega Master System, btw was also a tile-based system but with a stronger GPU than either the NES or the 7800 however the 7800 still had the sprite advantage for fake 3D fast paced games with tons of sprites so if Sega had ported Outrun or After Burner on the 7800 they would have looked/played better and faster with more going on. Since the Master System was just an upgraded Sega Mark 1 console which was on par with older systems like 5200 and 7800 which mean that Sega had several weaknesses to overcome dependent on it's GPU power.
@@robertasm20 Except the NES has graphics chips in its cartridges and it takes seconds to look that up. Why do you think the early NES games from 1983-85 look like enhanced Colecovision games? Look at Ballblazer on the NES a pseudo 3D game that involves sprites changing sizes easily on a fake 3D plane mooving fast, it's terrible compared to the 7800 version, because the 7800 has a more powerful spirit engine, it can have more sprites on the screen, can move them faster, and they are cleaner and smoother at the expense of some detail. Look at F18 hornet, look through longer videos where you can see the launch and landing gates, those are polygons in wide open 3D environments that allow you to go anywhere, the NES has nothing like this game, because it can't do it, the 7800 however can. Now when it comes to generic scrolling platformers going left to right the NES was made for those type of games so the NES versions of those types of games will always look better, especially since the 7800 has to do scrolling by software, however it beats the NES in every other category.
@@edsonbubsy7697 Like I mention before all you say is just bullshit, and you're just biased for Atari crap. NES nevere ever use any cartridge chip for enchant PPU capabilities. Special graphic chips contains SNES cartridges, NES carts had only mappers, which expand (thanks to bank switching) cartridges memory size (oryginaly limited to couple hundred kilobytes). Some cartrs had also additional audio chips, but never any graphic coprocessors like SuperFX on SNES. NES wasn't also tile oriented console. In fact it was one of first console utilized sprites at hardware level (64 on screen 8 in line). Maria from 7800 had potentially better capabilities with theoretical 256 sprites on screen, sprites requires so much CPU powers, that real games, which also needs to handle controls and game logic on CPU, are limited to max. 16 sprites on screen. So Atari 7800 was newer competitive to NES in graphics power, because despite impressive Maria capabilities, anything was limited by MOS 6500 CPU and Maria needed support from CPU for pretty all operation.
@@robertasm20 Instead of being an idiot you can look up MMC chips, also mappers help graphics as well, Atari didn't have any of those and it took until the 3rd generation of those pics for the NES to get a leg up. Before MMC chips and mappers NES was a slightly stronger Colecovision at best with multicolor sprites. Look at Antartice adventure on both, the CV version is near identical to the NES one. IN addition there was no limit, 7800 can run F18 hornet and open movement flight simulator with polygons, the NES can't not matter how many chips it has, and the NES flickers when only a handful of sprites are on the screen, sometimes the game even slows down.
@@edsonbubsy7697 In addition, 7800 can runs polygonal graphic… with single digit FPS. And they are never competitive, especially not up to 1989. In 1989 Atari console platform was dead. Because they was bunch of loosers, who didn't know what they doing. Just like you. That's why you like Atari?
Castelian is on both but its name is Tower Toppler for 7800. The rotating castle really shows the 2D power on these systems. Both seem similar but with a different mini game between levels. NES has cool ingame music. Also known as Nebulus for Amiga.
When I was a kid I didnt see any diffrence between NES and Master System.........just that they had diffrent games..........now looking back, the NES was nowhere near on the level of Master System.........with exception of the sound........the NES indeed was more comparible to the 7600.
These are early NES games. Also the 7800 sound chip was the same as the Atari 2600. That’s bad. The NES did improve as chips got better. The Master System is capable of better games sadly it didn’t have the money or developers to get the job done.
Hi , here is my unbiased option - everything on the atari SUCKS. NES is the greatest of all time.... Thank you for watching. BTW - dear 2nd, are you 5 years old?
...except in the right hands. Ballblazer? Rescue on Fractalus? Tower Toppler? Rikki and Vikki (I know it's new, but...)? The 7800 was better at computer style games and the NES was better at.... well, NES style games. The lack of inclusion of the POKEY or another sound chip really hurt the system. The system never had a chance since Atari wouldn't pay well enough for devs to spend their time on it and the lack of dev documentation from Atari didn't help. Those that did spend time with it found it to be a very powerful little system in many ways.
On the Atari 7800 version of Choplifter, you can only load so many people at a time. When then wave, they are telling you the chopper is full. Drop them off at the post office and go back for the rest of the hostages.
Yep. Still sometimes they just wont get to the chopper 😊
@@SecondOpinionGames1 get to the choppa now!!!!!
7800 still used an inferior 8-bit processor to the NES...I still remember as a kid my mom giving me a choice of an NES with just Mario bundle in or a 7800 that they were clearancing with 20 games shrink-wrapped and bundled in with the system. No contest, I went with the NES.
Good choice 🤣
They both used variants of the 6502, with the NES adding a sound generator while losing out on binary coded decimal arithmetic. The graphics systems were entirely different though
They are both 8 bit ya dick
You chose wisely.
The NES & Atari 7800 actually use the EXACT SAME CPU a MOS technology 6502 which is the same CPU in the Atari 2600, 5200 & Turbo grafix. All those machines have different graphics hardware with very different capabilities though.
I really love Atari. I grew up on a brand new light sixer in the late '70s and early '80s. The one thing that really gets me about the 7800 is that it seemed Atari was way advanced in hardware, they couldn't get out of the coin-op mindset and utilize the video game for what it could have been even in the early eighties. I never really liked playing the coin op game ports because, well, it just ate time with no sense of forward accomplishment. One of my best games I liked was actually on the Colecovision called gateway To Apshai. I also did like Adventure and (even though I never figured them out) the Swordquest games. Just wish they would have developed more games with real adventure and ends.
I would love to see this same format with the Nes and the Master System.
Thanks a good idea 💡
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Master System was popular outside of US, and more than the NES in many places, like where I'm from. Would make sense to have those two go head to head.
Especially considering how different versions of many games are. Think Double Dragon, Renegade, Ninja Gaiden, etc. It would be a fun video. It’s hit and miss for both systems on which game for which system is better.
I would love to this format between all three NES vs Atari 7800 vs Master System.
The Atari 7800 is more powerful than NES, the only reason why the games look worse is because of limited ROM space (48KB only)
I know but it’s neat to see 😃
I own Choplifter! for both the 7800 and Sega Master System. The 7800 port only has the first level. The SMS version, ported from Sega's Arcade version, contains ALL levels and is by far the better version. I don't think the NES version was ever released, at least in North America.
Nice video. One piece of advise, you keep commenting on the sound but you never let us stop and hear it, just constantly filling up any space with your voice. And your sound is much louder than that of the game. Which is fine, but give us 3-5 seconds of just the game sound so we can hear what you are talking about.
I just found out the other day that the Atari 2600 was capable of generating a 3D environment. Very basic for sure, but 3D anyway. The game in question is about navigating a maze, while some creatures chase you. I believe that the Atari 7800 was more powerful than the Nes, but without good games and the best people to make them, it failed.
Very true 😃
It was worse than the nes.
It was relatively better than the nes in terms of ram and video ram, it had an ok video chip, but it had a pooo poo sound chip, the NES had a way better sound chip and mappers inside the cartridges that made it superior in practical terms
@@SeñorDossierOficial The 7800 was designed by an outside company. They put a TIA chip so that it could run 2600 games and the makers were already designing a custom sound chip the would have sounded fantastic (according to what I've read). But when Jack "Cheapskate" Tramiel took over the company he stopped the sound chip project and put the 7800's into a warehouse but when the video game market picked up, he started selling the 7800's again. He also had a problem getting companies to write games for the 7800 due to Nintendo's ILLEGAL practice of forbidding companies who wrote games for the NES to write the same games for other game platforms. So, like Microsoft's applications, they used somewhat illegal practices to control the market - they cheated their way to the top. (Microsoft would make changes to Windows and release them KNOWING it crashed programs written by their competitors. I know this for a fact because it happened to ME).
8:12 there's a graphic improvement modification for the 7800 version of rampage (as well as Double dragon).
If if the 7800 had better visuals it still wouldn't matter because it used the same sound chip the 2600 used in 1979! What were they thinking doing that? Yes I know it supported additional sound chips in the cartridge but no developer wanted to pay the extra cost to do that. I think BallBlazer was the only game that used an additional sound chip and it isn't like it had amazing sound.
Very true. Sounds are just as important as grafx 👍👍
Commando did too
With Rampage and Choplifter, the Master System blows even the NES version out of the water!
I think I have to compare them 😃
Double Dragon was also arguably better on the SMS. It had the advantages of the 7800 version with much better graphics and sound.
@@cyberblah even with the sprite flicker, MS Double Dragon is the best 8-bit port.
I always thought that screen in DK was a cement factory but everyone else thinks it's pies so I guess
Cement pies I think
I liked my 7800 but hot damn the sound was terrible. I do want Atari to release a 7800 pack on Steam like they did with the 2600 though
Yeah mine going after as many as i can and most aren't worth the money.
I still don't thinks anyone found the sheep in the video 😳
The sound was bad because it was the same processor as the 2600, it was needed to for the system to be backwards compatible. I honestly don't think comparing the systems for sound is fair. Compare the gameboy sound to the 7800 and see which one is better.
@@nesmaul739 Special effects sounds on the Atari were cool, but I think even the game boy was better at playing background music.
The crappy sound on most 7800 games is due to the console using the old TIA (combined graphics and sound chip for the Atari 2600) for sound. The exception being Commando which had its own sound chip on cartridge.
3:51 "all three levels"?
I did not now that 🤔
@@SecondOpinionGames1 commando and Ballblazer have a Pokey soundchip on cart
The 7800 was a chipset that was created years before and shelved. Instead of adding a decent sound chip, for 2600 compatibility they retained the original 2600 sound chip only. Jack Tramiel, to cut costs, also limited cartridge size, which limited games dramatically. There are currently created titles for the 7800, which illustrate the true capabilities of the hardware.
It just shows how much better the Jaguar was 😃
Some great comparisons and I agree with most of them but have two observations. 1) Have you played Commando in the arcades? It's throws even more enemies than on NES and is much harder. In my opinion the NES port looks, sounds and plays much better, it ads secret stages not found in the arcade and it was actually developed by Capcom unlike the Atari 7800 port done by Sculptured Software. 2) The best arcade port of Choplifter wasn't on the Atari 7800 or NES, it was on the Sega Master System! 😉
The master system have a better game. Yeah i played commando in the arcade but it was only worth about a quarter and then i moved on 😃
11:20 I always feel better after playing some ABBA! 😁
Great comparison review and both consoles rock, thanks much!
Thanks more to come.
Yeah the 7800 had potential, but as it was already aged hardware by the time they released it that was one thing, of many, working against it.
another thing from what I understand is when Jack Trammell was still in charge of Atari he really was just trying to unload these things he had no intention of really pushing it as a real console. One choice in particular was he limited the memory size of cartridges to very small. Which meant even developers who might want to develop larger more complex games on the Atari simply could not have.
Using the 2600s sound chip was a good concept for backwards compatibility but I personally think they should have gone with an all new sound chip and scrapped the backwards compatibility.
When the 7800 was designed it was still the time of one screen arcade games, or very most games that had a few screens like donkey Kong. So when they were designing this to be a successor of the 5200, which had failed as a console, and to finally supersede the 2600, the main goal of the architecture of the system was to emulate arcade games of the early to mid 1980s.
But between the time when the 7800 was created and it's eventually release Nintendo had changed the landscape of gaming. Games like Super Mario Bros and Zelda went far beyond anything that had come before them in terms of scope. While the 7800 could certainly have had games like that if larger cartridges The better sound chips and third-party developers had chosen the 7800 to develop on... Well simply put that didn't happen.
What we have with the 7800 is a missed possibility to have been a better contender, and a few glimpses of what the system could have been capable of.
Spec wise it's not a bad system, but in its day on the market it never got the love or support it would have needed to shine.
Nail on the head 😃
@@SecondOpinionGames1 thank you
7800 was stronger than NES, and it was released 1 year after, as 7800 was released in 84, and the famicom was released in 83. it wasn't dated, if it was dated than the NES was really outdated until 4th generation MMC chips and mappers inside the cartridges. Seeing the video creator comment is odd you'd think he's look up the history when doing comparisons.
@@edsonbubsy7697 true I misremembered that I guess I was thinking of the NES release date and not the famicom release date on that.
Regardless the 7800 architecture was certainly different than the NES especially in terms of Sprite rendering capabilities.
I think the goal with Atari was still thinking of older arcade games with multiple Sprites on screen rather than scrolling platform or type games.
But given what I've seen programmed on the 700 especially with Homebrew stuff it seems to me that it would have been a much better competitor had people learn the architecture better had larger cart memory to work with & had the system released when intended.
I've always had a soft spot for the 7800 because I owned one before I ever got a Nintendo I was a very big Atari 2600 Fanboy way back when and I thought the 7800 was The logical conclusion to be the next Super system.
Well history had a different interpretation that I did lol
But I still think the 7800 could have been a better competitor with a slight bit of tweaking and better management for Atari.
the European NES style gamepad for this 7800 would have been nice touch to sell in the United States also to hopefully move the pause button off the console and onto the controller.
They should have put a pokey chip in the 1700 itself rather than having to force manufacturers to put it on the carts increasing the cost.
But if those three things have been done to the system and maybe a version to released and better software support...
Well it probably would have done better than the Master system at least.
and don't get me wrong I never owned a Master system but I was quite a fan of it one of my friends had one and I was always impressed with the games
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 Nope, the 7800 at launch, which actually released in NA months before the NES nationwide in spring 86, sold out, in fact Atari sold every console they could make.
One thing that you have to realize is that Nintendo had gotten a lot of money after dominating japan and made deals with retailers that allowed them a lot of access during their test run which led to them having more consoles available, this was helped by an immoral and illegal policy at the time of third party devlopers not being allowed to bring their games to other consoles.
So Atari and Sega were both handicapped due to a lack of games, and since Nintendo could incentivize retailers due to the amount of games the other two didn't have much of a chance at competing even with the games they had. Sega and Atari had little third party, half the time the third party would license the game to Atari or Sega and either they would have to produce their own version of that game, or license another developer to do it because the original developer was legally obligated to only keep produce games on the NES directly.
IN hindsight, looking at the fool picture, outside earlier legal pressure or Nintendo never having that policy, there isn't really a way for the 7800 ti "win" in addition theres another aspect that needs to be considered:
The 7800 was from Atari Corp, which was mostly broke until the money from the success of the Atari ST computer came in, so that is why Atari had a limited amount of consolesit could make, all sold out, what's funny is there was no way for Atari or Sega to know about what Nintendo did until late 86 into 87, Atari was expecting consoles to sell 100,000-200,000 or so consoles the first year they came out which was reasonable, NES selling around 1 million and having 10x the games before a full year went by over both its competition through both companies off and caused court cases to frequently appear.
This also in turn caused western developers outside a few to stay far away from Nintendo. The reason why the later Genesis succeeded was because that policy was over, and not being Nintendo attracted more western developers to the Genesis consoles. If Nintendo held on to that policy the SNES wouldn't have sold less than the NES and the Genesis would have been a major flop.
So when looking at the 7800 it's not really Atari's fault given there financial position and not having a crystal ball. Even the biggest games on the NES were arcade games, heck SMB is an arcade game, and while side scrollers weren't on the 7800 Computer and PC genres were, from simulators to pseudo 3d games, adventure games, and the usual arcade games. Sure, some of it was Atari's fault, like Atari Corp not risking money by including the pokey sound chip in EVERY cartridge for every developer free or for a cheap price, so most games outside of 3 used the TIA 2600 chip, however it was also more capable, and was the cheapest of the 3 consoles between them, Sega, and Nintendo, which would have worked if they were able to have more games during the first couple years.
I would say Atari's biggest mistake overall was still selling the 2600, the 2600jr redesign looked similar to the 7800 and outsold the 7800 and Sega Master system combined selling around 4-5 million units starting 1986-1992, a lot of people don't mention that, but it shows the old games were still hot since it was the real second place console in NA. Not releasing that 2600jr. would have given the Backwards compatible 7800 more sales.
However only somewhat, as without games it's hard to move consoles, and you had to have a presence otherwise you can do what Nintendo did and take most the shelf space.
I had the Nes and Sega Master System back when they were current. I was always a huge Sega fan growing up and quickly moved to the Genesis in 1989. Having said that...what the Hell does that have to do with this video? Basically, I really don't have a dog on this fight; However, I will say the Nes absolutely creams the 7800 in almost every area. Yes, the 7800's hardware was technically more advanced (minus the sound, yuck) but Atari never did anything with it. Unlike Sega, Atari really didn't show us anything truly special until the Atari Lynx (1989) and Jaguar (1994). I still can't believe the 7800 sold more consoles than the Sega Master System. The Master System (hardware) was by far much stronger than either the Nes or 7800 (minus the sound without the FM add-on). Look at Rampage for all three machines to see which 8-bit console ruled them all.
Addendum- The sound difference is due to Atari's owner being cheap. The 7800 only has the old 2600 sound chipset making it severely dated for its time. They did design a sound chip for the 7800 that was great. Unfortunately, developers had to pay extra if they wanted their games to sound right *Commando running on the Pokey sound chip. Nintendo wasn't about to pay Atari for better sound out of a competitors machine.
Perhaps 7800 sold more than SMS in America but not overworld. In fact NES and SMS had a tough battle in Europe, Australia and Brazil.
@@Rafael_Francisco
I know the Master System was rocking hard outside of the US. I was so jealous Europeans got to play games that never came here. The pictures of freaking Ninja Gaiden on the Master System in game mags blew my mind. At the time I didn't know Brazil was into gaming at all. It was a place on the globe that I had never visited before (I was 5-7 years old).
You need to look into the Atari 8 bit computers. They are impressive. Master System was king though, (popular here in Australia more than NES) exceptional for the horrible sound! Eek.
Galaga? Mario Bros.? Ballblazer? Ms. Pac-Man? I know you said you did not want to talk about Dig Dug, Xevious, and Joust, but you could do a second video with all those games.
I don't want to make this video 25 minutes long. Honestly i thought about editing out some of the games in this video 😃
No because it would show the Atari 7800 isn't a POS and that's the purpose of this video.
@@bjbell52 bam
Enjoyed the video, I didn't realize the 7800 was less powerful than the NES? I 'd love a comparison between games shared between the Sega CD, CDI, Jaguar and 3DO.
Sounds great 👍
It's graphically more powerful when hardware used properly, developers given adequate cartridge space, but behind the Sega Master System, sound Wise it's behind both.
The 7800 could put a ton of sprites on the screen at one time. That is why you never see any flickering as you do on the NES and Sega master system.
Nintendo loose, it does not have Ninja Golf.
True it was a big over site 😃
You failed to mention that the NES version of Rampage is missing one of the monsters. Point for the 7800
Your right 😃
Good video! Nice comparison of the Atari 7800 and Nintendo systems! I remember the Choplifter game. I do believe this game came out on the Atari 8-bit computer and Commodore 64 too
Also BALLBLAZER is on both systems.
I just found out about the NES port.
Seems best on 7800.
I should look into it 😃
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Famicom I should say. But yea pretty cool.
@@SecondOpinionGames1 7800 version far superior and uses Pokey so sounds great as well as playing much better
Given the right chip, could the 7800 do something in line with Batman: Return of the Joker?
Really?? Of course it would sound like pong. 😃
Nintendo takes the cake for me. They have more detailed graphics when compared to the Atari 7800. The Atari 7800 runs on a standard 6502, while the NES runs on a modified 6502.
You're soo underrated
I like to think the channel is a hidden gem. 😊
Choplifter came out for the Famicom not the NES. Still worth comparing though.
I just like to see them together 😃
It’s really a shame that the sound out of the box on the 7800 was so bad. It really belittled the system.
The real shame is the chip shortage that lead to the restrictions of game that could have been better.
To get really great sound on the 7800 , programmers add the powerful Pokey chip to the cartridges. Seeing that the Pokey chip is pretty cheap almost all the homebrews are using the pokey chip in the carts!
This influenced my decision NOT to buy an Atari 7800. However I do kinda want one only because it plays 2600 games but in that case why not just buy a 2600?
Or a Atari flashback. They are ok for most people 😃
When I saw screenshots of xenophobe on the 7800 after I purchased my NES, I literally questioned my purchase. Could I have bought the wrong console, I said to myself. But alas, after seeing OTHER screenshots, I realized I made the correct decision. Now shade thrown to the 7800 though.
That would be scary 😧
Lmao as soon as you picked up that last guy on choplifter 7800 you get missle to the face
It happens a lot 😃
Atari got owned by the NES. The NES came in and won the 1980's console market. The other companies just couldn't compete. The NES had an amazing game library and great video game characters like Mario. The Atari 7800 and Master System just showed up lacking in comparison. It's not enough to make a good game console, you also have to make great games and get other third party developers on board. Then you have to make it popular enough such that almost everyone has the console. The NES just so happen to be at the right place at the right time.
It sure was 😃
Sega and Atari couldn't get many 3rd party devs for most of the 80s because Nintendo made the devs sign contracts that barred them from selling their games on competing systems. That was eventually challenged in court and ruled illegal, but the damage had already been done. Sega manged to bounce back, but Atari stumbled with more bad management decisions.
I would like to see Atari release a 7800 Mini.
Maybe 🤔
Nintendo didn't program the Donkey kong games on the Atari. Those were programmed by Atari
They did a bad job then 🧐
No wait coleco made it 😏
The main reason why I own an Atari 7800 is to play 2600 games on it.
It’s good at that at least 😃
I Never Liked Having To Earn Moves Over Time In Double Dragon
It at least made it more interesting. At least the first time though
I feel sorry for any kid that had an Atari 7800 over a NES 💀
Very bad 😃
ok so the 7800 uses very similar sound hardware to the 2600
The same 😃
"..and normally I like it, when girls drop to their knees and start begging for things.." LOL & thumbs up
BTW interesting comparison :-)
Thanks I try 😃
With 2600 audio chip inside, you must have worse music/sound effects than NES.
Yeah it sounds awful 😃
Except for Commando. If more 7800 games used the sound expansion chip they could have been on par with NES. Commando might even sound better on 7800. The drums on the NES constantly cut out, while 7800 keeps the beat.
Ballblazer is another one that sounded cool. 7800 was made so carts could have their own sound chip but 99% of the developers didnt put in the money for it, and they ended up sounding the same as 2600.
Donkey kong arcade had 4 levels. But all the ports cut the pie level
And I like pie 🥧
If this guy ever stopped talking for a second I could actually hear the game that he’s talking so much about.
Good vid.
I always wished Atari didn't just phone it in near the end.
And on the Jaguar 🐆
The Jaguar literally had a phone number pad to "phone it in".
Pro wrestling on NES was fantastic thou
Star man rocks 😃
That sound chip from 1977 sabotaged Atari
It sounds like it 😆👍
@@SecondOpinionGames1 it really, really cost them, putting 2600 sound as standard on your flagship 8-bit console was an absolute moment of utter ignorance, but it's Atari.
Colecovision vs 5200 vs Intellivision?? Its an idea. By the way Galaga was nice on 7800.
I hate the intellision
@@SecondOpinionGames1 oh ok i didn't know. Maybe Coleco vs 5200?? Fogger is a nice comparison. I have both and it would be interesting to see it here
@@dad7275 Intellivsion isn't even in the same generation as Coleco and 5200, those were third gen systems for years until the early wiipedia days where the generation numbers got screwed up. Doesn't make sense to call Coleco second gen then call the Sega SG1000 third when they came out a year apart and the SG1000 is a Colecovision clone.
Power difference is night and day, Intellivision was made to compete against the 2600 and it shows.
I know the 7800 is backwards compatible with the 2600, but apparently not all games. Is there way to tell which 2600 games work with it?
I can’t find a list but almost all the games work 😃
It's fully compatible with the games in a software perspective, it's just certain games have a non standard case which doesn't allow them to fit into the cartridge slot. This can be fixed if you modify the cartridge guide that goes over the cartridge slot on the board. If you Google search for Atari 7800 cartridge guide modification you'll see. Someone even 3D printed a replacement cart guide to replace the stock one.
6:47 “Kung Flu masters?” Lol
Lol
Nintendo wanted to extend the life of their games by making them near impossible to beat. Nowadays you have to try to lose because games are constantly autosaving any progress you make... really annoyed the shit out of my on rdr2 i had to disable autosave
Still auto save is nicer than turning of your game after 4 hours only to find it didn’t save at all.
Yeah because losing an hour of progress when you die is way superior
Rampage for NES is the best home version? I disagree. The Sega Master System version was better in my opinion.
They both are good but the nes d pad makes the game better. Maybe 🤔
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Another vote for the MS version here but the 7800 version is far superior to the dreadful A8 version.
Unfortunately there's talking all the time. The viewer can't compare the music and sound of both systems.
Sorry just know the Atari 7800 used the same sound chip as the Atari 2600. So it sounds like crap 😳
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Thanks!
@@SecondOpinionGames1 What were they thinking? It's so interesting they chose to keep that crap.
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13:54 and why the weird, color-reversed British flag?
I didn’t know 😳
@@SecondOpinionGames1 😳
How are any of these considered the same game they might have the same name but they're complete different games on both systems just with the same idea and same name but they look different they run different I wouldn't really say they're the same game they're similar they're related but they're not the same
2 other games on both systems include
Ms Pacman & Mario Bros.
Nooo I missed them and I have them too. Now I’m sad 😔
@@SecondOpinionGames1 no worries, this video is still great!
Imo
Mario seems better for Nes.
Ms Pacman seems better for 7800.
I owned the 7800 versions of Ms PacMan and Mario Bros back in the day. They were great. I had a lot of fun with those games. I didn’t have an NES and my friends who did, didnt have Ms PacMan or Mario Bros. So, there was no need to ‘compare’ the games back then. Didn’t matter. We thought they were fun.
@@mrp4242 true.
Mario looks just as fun actually. It just has better sound on Nes if I'm being picky.
And just for fun I'd say Ms. Pacman on 7800 seems even better than Genesis and Snes.
The Tengen versions on Nes, Snes, and Genesis have blind spots where you can't see the ghosts, as where 7800 everything fits on the screen like the arcade. No scrolling needed.
Nes also has a Namco release but the stage layouts seem off with strange colors and also seems a bit slower.
I'm sure they're all fun though. It's just the little things.
Edit: correction, the snes version says its Williams not Tengen, though its identical to the Genesis Tengen version in every way.. so that's kinda odd.
The 16 bit versions have lots of nice options to keep it interesting but I'd rather just have everything on screen at once like the arcade/7800.
Mario bros on NES was superior, but Ms Pac Man was terrible
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Literally the NES beat up all Atari consoles in every sense, its so awfull seing someone defending Atari so bad when they could have actually killed all the game industry as we know. Its normal as an US citizen that all of you will defend an american company like Atari but this is too much, Atari was just robbing everybodys money despite of they being your childhood, hard to admit but its the true. Its even more amazing that this 2 consoles cost barely the same
This is all fair.
The colors in the 7800 version aren't right. Are you using retrogames?
About 75 percent of the time I use real hardware. But my recording setup is just a mess of wires and converters. The bad coaxle port on my failing system can be a problem 😞
I really like the Atari 7800 for its awesome arcade ports. But the NES did blow them away in many cases. Really a tragedy that the 5200 was released instead of the 7800 a couple years earlier. It could have really changed history for Atari.
What would have also been interesting is if other countries got the Famicom and PC-Engine at the same time Japan did. It was a long wait. Until then Home Computers were where it was at. All those years in between the Atari 2600 and what was being shown on this video my friends and I spent countless hours on C64, Atari 800, and TI994a. Those were great times.
Nice I just finished playing all of the games on the Atari 7800 myself. Fun video. Too bad of your sexist remarks
I’m a man. Some times sexism is good. For example I think it’s wrong to hit a woman 🤔
@@SecondOpinionGames1 I never questioned you being a man. You shouldn't hit anyone, regardless of their gender. Sexism is not manly it's weak.
@@Nielsfest men and women are different. Fact 😃
@@SecondOpinionGames1 I never said they were the same. I'm saying you shouldn't hit the one or the other based on their gender. Pretty basic stuff really.
@@Nielsfest you’re one of those people that won’t fight the other person if the pick a girl in street fighter2
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No ms pacman, no dig dug etc ....just fighting games?
Fighting games. Nooo 🫨
@@SecondOpinionGames1 there's a whole world out there beyond Street Fighter clones
@@Boswd true. Like turtles 🐢 fighting games
You could do Atari 2600 vs. ColecoVision but it'd be tough for Atari to win...
Its on the list 😃
@@SecondOpinionGames1 Cool! To be clear, I don't have personal favoritism or bias towards Coleco. Atari 2600 was my first console ever but I had a friend with ColecoVision and even as a kid I knew it was a much more powerful console.
The 2600 should not be compared to the Colecovision. They are a generation apart regardless of what Wikipedia says about console generations.
Atari had a better controller, Coleco had everything else.
You are quoting long ignorant history that makes it why video game history is never taken seriously. Atari 7800 was supposed be out on 1984 but was delayed two years due to negotiations with GCC, and when the 7800 came out in 1986 it came out months before the NES which only released nationwide in September with only test markets before hand. This video was made in 2020 yet have 2005 AVGN facts.
Another thing, 7800 was more powerful but both it and NES made games to different ways. NES went with tiles and was made for it in mind, and the large cartridges and access from the cartridge to the GPU allowed developers to put in chips to enhance the graphics, which the 7800 was competitive with until 89-1990 with games like SMB3 had more advanced chips than before. Those the chips wouldn't rectify short comings like limited sprites on screen without flicker, slowdown, and lack of sprites to make 3D-like objects.
While the 7800 was Sprite based and did not have tiles it still handled well but a game like F18 hornet cannot be done on an NES no matter how many or how powerful the chips in the roms are because the NES does not have the sprite number or manipulation ability to create a 3D plane with a floor, ceiling and background allowing smooth gameplay. F18 hornet also had cars, that are actually polygons, though primitive and using sprites they can create draw distance and objects like gates which are all sprites but seem 3D.
Ballblazer is another simpler example, an earlier titles showcasing the 7800's sprite manipulation abilities of its Maria chip. The NES has ballblazer as well with additional access to memory and mappers but can't run the game like the 7800 can. It has a more pixelated ground plane which doesn't always move smoothly that isn't as clean, and the actually characters and "ball" itself are jerky and even more pixelated with flicker occurring as the ball and characters move around.
When looking at games shared on both NES will always win in the sprite detail and clarity department since nearly all the shared games are tile-based where Atari will win in comparisons with games like Ballblazer, flight sims, and games that have many sprites or bullets on screen. This is why in games like Commando or other shared run n' guns, the 7800 will have less detailed sprites or blurry sprites but win in background terrain and amount of enemies on screen. Or why games like Xevious will have the terain be flat colored while the 7800 version will have more detail on the ground, but the actually sprites of the player and enemies look better on NES, though some of that is fixed through generations of graphical enhancer chips some core issues will always remain on the NES.
Sadly, NES had a two-year exclusive policies on games that was later removed due to legal pressure, and this had kept Atari, and Sega at the time, from a slew of third-party games and by the time the first of those contracts expired it was 1988 and developers didn't see profit in putting any games on either console, this also kept western developers on computers until the Genesis than later 3DO and PSX came out, as the Master System and 7800 were so far behind in game count that some news papers and retailers acted as if they never existed which is a shame but Nintendo would have that advantage until the SNES when those contracts were removed.
Sega Master System, btw was also a tile-based system but with a stronger GPU than either the NES or the 7800 however the 7800 still had the sprite advantage for fake 3D fast paced games with tons of sprites so if Sega had ported Outrun or After Burner on the 7800 they would have looked/played better and faster with more going on. Since the Master System was just an upgraded Sega Mark 1 console which was on par with older systems like 5200 and 7800 which mean that Sega had several weaknesses to overcome dependent on it's GPU power.
Bullshit. NES haven't any graphics chips in cartridges, and 7800 was not more powerfull.
@@robertasm20 Except the NES has graphics chips in its cartridges and it takes seconds to look that up. Why do you think the early NES games from 1983-85 look like enhanced Colecovision games? Look at Ballblazer on the NES a pseudo 3D game that involves sprites changing sizes easily on a fake 3D plane mooving fast, it's terrible compared to the 7800 version, because the 7800 has a more powerful spirit engine, it can have more sprites on the screen, can move them faster, and they are cleaner and smoother at the expense of some detail.
Look at F18 hornet, look through longer videos where you can see the launch and landing gates, those are polygons in wide open 3D environments that allow you to go anywhere, the NES has nothing like this game, because it can't do it, the 7800 however can. Now when it comes to generic scrolling platformers going left to right the NES was made for those type of games so the NES versions of those types of games will always look better, especially since the 7800 has to do scrolling by software, however it beats the NES in every other category.
@@edsonbubsy7697 Like I mention before all you say is just bullshit, and you're just biased for Atari crap. NES nevere ever use any cartridge chip for enchant PPU capabilities. Special graphic chips contains SNES cartridges, NES carts had only mappers, which expand (thanks to bank switching) cartridges memory size (oryginaly limited to couple hundred kilobytes). Some cartrs had also additional audio chips, but never any graphic coprocessors like SuperFX on SNES.
NES wasn't also tile oriented console. In fact it was one of first console utilized sprites at hardware level (64 on screen 8 in line). Maria from 7800 had potentially better capabilities with theoretical 256 sprites on screen, sprites requires so much CPU powers, that real games, which also needs to handle controls and game logic on CPU, are limited to max. 16 sprites on screen. So Atari 7800 was newer competitive to NES in graphics power, because despite impressive Maria capabilities, anything was limited by MOS 6500 CPU and Maria needed support from CPU for pretty all operation.
@@robertasm20 Instead of being an idiot you can look up MMC chips, also mappers help graphics as well, Atari didn't have any of those and it took until the 3rd generation of those pics for the NES to get a leg up. Before MMC chips and mappers NES was a slightly stronger Colecovision at best with multicolor sprites. Look at Antartice adventure on both, the CV version is near identical to the NES one.
IN addition there was no limit, 7800 can run F18 hornet and open movement flight simulator with polygons, the NES can't not matter how many chips it has, and the NES flickers when only a handful of sprites are on the screen, sometimes the game even slows down.
@@edsonbubsy7697 In addition, 7800 can runs polygonal graphic… with single digit FPS. And they are never competitive, especially not up to 1989. In 1989 Atari console platform was dead. Because they was bunch of loosers, who didn't know what they doing. Just like you. That's why you like Atari?
I grew up with the atari but I don't like those stupid arcade controllers they designed for it
Galaga is also on both systems!
Yes I left off a couple 😃
@@SecondOpinionGames1 yea I just keep finding ones here n there that I didnt think about or realise till now.
Just realized Xevious is on both. :)
Dig Dug! I'm always excited to find another lol.
Castelian is on both but its name is Tower Toppler for 7800.
The rotating castle really shows the 2D power on these systems.
Both seem similar but with a different mini game between levels.
NES has cool ingame music.
Also known as Nebulus for Amiga.
Were is mariobros?
I can’t do every game 😃
When I was a kid I didnt see any diffrence between NES and Master System.........just that they had diffrent games..........now looking back, the NES was nowhere near on the level of Master System.........with exception of the sound........the NES indeed was more comparible to the 7600.
These are early NES games. Also the 7800 sound chip was the same as the Atari 2600. That’s bad. The NES did improve as chips got better. The Master System is capable of better games sadly it didn’t have the money or developers to get the job done.
The master system’s tech was two years newer. It would be ridiculous if it didn’t have better specs.
atari made the 7800 version
Yep and it wasn’t so good 😃
@@SecondOpinionGames1 i kinda like it bht the sound is terrible the 2600 game sound is better in comparison
and even that one was bad
The atari was better
At losing
Atari / A torri 😂
Hi , here is my unbiased option - everything on the atari SUCKS. NES is the greatest of all time.... Thank you for watching. BTW - dear 2nd, are you 5 years old?
Lol 😂
The 7800 is just awful...
...except in the right hands. Ballblazer? Rescue on Fractalus? Tower Toppler? Rikki and Vikki (I know it's new, but...)? The 7800 was better at computer style games and the NES was better at.... well, NES style games. The lack of inclusion of the POKEY or another sound chip really hurt the system. The system never had a chance since Atari wouldn't pay well enough for devs to spend their time on it and the lack of dev documentation from Atari didn't help. Those that did spend time with it found it to be a very powerful little system in many ways.
@@saxmeister 7800 Rescue On Fractalus would of been the definite version better cockpit graphics, lovely smooth frame rate and they killed it 😭