Plant-based Leather: The Ultimate Game Changer Or Total Flop?
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Plant-based Leather: The Ultimate Game Changer Or Total Flop?
Welcome to an exploration into the world of sustainable fashion! 🌿 Today, we dive into the innovative world of plant-based leather. This video uncovers everything you need to know about this sustainable material that's taking the fashion industry by storm.
What You'll Learn in This Video:
Understanding Plant-Based Leather: Discover what plant-based leather is and how it's made. We explore the variety of natural materials used, from cactus leather to pineapple leather, showcasing their benefits and downfalls.
Sustainability Benefits: Learn about the eco-friendly aspects of plant-based leather, including its biodegradability (or lack thereof) and environmental impact compared to traditional leather.
DIY Tips & Tricks: Get practical advice on how you can use plant-based leather for your DIY fashion projects.
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Personally I feel that canvas is a better vegan option. Plant based (cotton), hard wearing, and easily waterproofed.
Big agree. If you're going plant-based, it's not worth it to try to replicate leather, there are much hardier and cheaper options for plant-based materials than vegan leather, like the canvas you said
I've been interested in trying waxed canvas, but it's unclear to me if the wax is actually all natural or not. The wax recipe doesn't seem to be prominently advertised on most of the listings I've seen, and it's easy to imagine that the wax could have a lot of synthetics in it.
Couldn't agree more. What is it with the fixation on leather lookalikes?
There are so many options for fabrics, some of them very hard wearing. Fabric can be coated or waterproofed or whatever one needs. But these options are mostly one used for utilitarian looking options. Or really cheap and cheap looking stuff. I notice that with handbags a lot. Try finding a nice, 'classic' looking handbag, that is not leather or fake leather.
@@chad206 You can always just buy the canvas and wax it yourself.
@@chad206 Waxed canvas is great, but many vegans will object to it as it is "taken" from bees.
Great video. I know it is hard to stay unbiased. The plastic content is enough for me to stay away from it. But it is important to be open minded and continue to test what comes out.
Absolutely, I don't think plant based materials are bad at all they've just got to make sense in manufacturing and use
Thanks for this interesting video. I have been vegan for more than a year now but am working with leather. I think that if we kill an animal we should at least use every part of it to honour it, giving its life for our convenience. I have a vegan friend who does not like to wear/carry leather articles and I made a handbag from cork last Christmas. But that was like flimsy and much too thin. So I might try one of the alternatives you presented. Thanks again.
That's what I actually say to my every client who grins on sight of leather. If he's not bought by Sheer term Veg leather, A tell him about the primitive tribes consuming and utilizing every possible part of an animal.
Also - there are archaeological finds prooving the durability of leather.
Leather IS PLANT BASED. Most common leather comes from CATTLE. Cattle are vegetarian-only eaters, so their final end product is the best VEGAN LEATHER.😂😂
I agree with you, Eric. The biggest reason I won't use it is that vegan "leather" is flammable and doesn't biodegrade like leather. Plus, the animal I'm using is a vegetarian, so that should count. Thank you for doing the tests.
i find it interesting that plastics are marketed as vegan. if the plastics used are made using crude oil, natural gas and coal, then they are animal and plant derived.
yup, this right here
Thanks for using some of it. I've read about it over the last couple of years, and the glue and micro plastics in the binding agent turned me off of it, among other problems you point out. Seeing it used sealed the "nope."
My vote is for leather not plastic. Once leather made objects can no longer be use they can decompose in the landfill, plastic will not decompose.
Before I watch this video: I was paid to make a product which I normally make in leather, using vegan leather. While the product came out "ok", it was sub-par. The material was crap to work with, continually tore out while sewing (even doubled up) and refuse to hold any shape without additional filler (it was floppier than a sheet of paper). I went through 3 times the leather needed to make a product (i.e., I ended up making it 3 times), and that is after pretesting the material before I started, to get a feel for it. It is nothing like leather.
Change my mind. LOL.
Post Video: Your findings match mine. the material just DRINKS glue. It is primarily plastic. Your hand sewing luck with the cactus was WAY better. I will stick with real leather.
I’m grateful you did this. I love how you gave them a chance and still just showed it’s not as good as the real thing.
There is also an alternative called Mylo made from mushrooms. I'd be interested in seeing you test that stuff too.
Unfortunately Mylo is not available to the general public yet, so it wouldn't be possible (also it would be a material review for a material you cannot get).
Ya I read about Mylo and was excited to try it - only to find that I couldn't get it anywhere.
There seems to be more mushroom leathers than just Mylo now. Maybe his youtube presence would mean he could get a sample. FYI I work with and love leather and even if we were to reduce meat consumption there would still be more than enough hides to go around as many are wasted.
I think a reason they are not letting it be bought by regular people. Might be a treatment or finish that needs to be added that is toxic without right safety measures.
The company that made Mylo is bankrupt. Maybe the idea to produce mushroom "leather" wasn't that good.
Well done for your honest opinion.
Keeping it real and telling it like it is allows others to make an informed decision.
Keep up the great work E
Cheers Paul
Eric: If the cost is really low, this would be a great 'Prototype' material instead of wasting real leather. Right now I used 'Fun Foam' to prototype. Flexible. Right thickness. Cheap.
Honestly these materials wouldn't be great for samples either as they're pretty impossible to glue. When I order hides that are split down I ask for the split to be shipped with it. Free, works just like leather because it is - it's just the fiber part - and perfect for samples :)
@@Corter I completely agree about the splits. Same flexibility. Best standin for prototypes. Very smart.
YES! I was 421 up-thumb on 4-21 😁
You jump right in a very sensitive topic and I appreciate your honest evaluation. From your attempt at drawing a stitching line, I can see that this plant stuff would not accept any tooling. I do not see it as a viable material for the craft. But honestly, I had no idea it was even in development. If I live long enough, perhaps I will see synthetic "veg-tan". Who knows? Thanks.
Nope. Nope. Nope. Back in the 60's, they came out with "Naugahide" - also a lot of plastic. It was very pliable, but very heavy and didn't breathe. It was also very flammable, and the fumes from its burning bordered on toxic. Not good.
I agree with your thoughts, Eric. I am interested in the cactus leather, not as a replacement for leather but a quirky option. I live in southern Arizona, so that would give me an option for that factor.
So, I have an off angle on this, and that angle is transparency. "Vegan" leather is "Pleather". "Vegan" leather is marked as such because "Pleather" is no longer marketable. They are targeting a specific clientele with a sub-par material and often confusing people that were actually looking for real leather (I got duped by this wordsmith marketing). The material does NOTHING good for the environment and the "byproduct" could otherwise be used as fertilizer and (not) backed with plastic! I agree with everything you said here but (had) to add the marketing part. Mainly because I was fooled by this (once). LOVE the channel and I have learned a TON! THANK YOU!!!!
Well made video I like that you didn't spend the whole time bashing on it even though it was not performing as well. I especially like your little bit at the end where you highlighted some of its pros and brought to light the fact that it is a new product then we may eventually make a fully biodegradable version.
For me I'm going to continue using regular leather, at least until the biodegradable plant-based perform as well and can be repaired
Interesting video. Thank you. The cactus seems like a semi-workable product. Even after doing some web research, I'm unclear whether they use polyurethane or polyester in their product. It seems more likely to me that polyurethane would be used here. But, they may very well be using both. From what I understand, the Desserto cactus product is moving toward being 100% plant-based. I love leather, but I also support the development of alternatives, for those people who want them.
Thanks for doing the demos on these leather alternatives. I was compelled to use these for my leather stand at the County fair last year. I used grape leather and cactus leather. Both failed miserably. The rivets I set in to hold the handles so embarrassingly pulled straight through. They have no strength and I will not be using these on my stand ever again.
Thanks for trying it and questioning. I have moral qualms about using leather but since it's a by-product of animals raised for eating and since I still eat meat, I can't be so much of a hypocrite that I won't use leather. I also have qualms about the environmental issues you validly raised so I agree with your wait and see attitude,
Imagine Corter Leather with out Leather😂
Corter Tofu😂Just kidding
It is unimagianable that someone who cares for animal welbeing would be indefferent to general environmental pollution by plastics. And i think you will find few if any at all. I feel that vegan leather is a misuse of the term vegan as a marketing trick misleading consumers who actually mean well with regard to animals and the environment.
Yeah. It really just feels as if they are simply mixing a little bit of plant fiber into naugahyde and calling it something new.
Being vegan is 100% ideological and has never helped our environment or animals of any kind. It is factually slow starvation via malnutrition and perpetuates pollution via plastics and mining vs living naturally off of the land with sustainable farming or hunting and gathering. Veganism is mental illness and social disease.
I'm curious about the price difference. Is it cheaper than actual leather?
Depends on the leather, most of the plant based options I found were around $7-9 a square foot which is solidly in nice leather territory
That must be bulk pricing. $7-9 certainly won't get me a sq ft of anything nice at BuckleGuy or RM.
You'll never get that price buying a single sq. ft. of anything, nope. "Bulk" usually means a dozen of the same hide. Buying panels, which are great for small projects or trying a new tannage, you're paying for the labor to panelize a hide. The whole "panel" concept is a fairly new concept in the crafting market - panels have only been around since 2017-ish. Up to that point a single shoulder was as small as you could get in a very limited amount of leathers. I buy sides, shoulders, etc. because buying individual panels is not cost effective or large enough for the things I run through the shop
@Corter Huh.... That's interesting to know, actually. It never occurred to me that panels and smaller "square-type" cuts weren't always just "a thing." So, basically, they created a higher profit market within a long-established market... Lol. Cool to know. I, personally, have never bought more than a panel or two (clearly, I'm new to this and don't sell a bunch). Funny to know that wouldn't have even been an option just that recently back in time. Cheers!
I was Vegan for awhile, I'm not currently. For my health it is better for me to be Vegan but that is on a body level. I don't really understand all of the ideals reasons for Veganism but at least on a my tummy stops trying to murder me level eating less animal products is good for me. I've been on the fence for awhile about if using leather is okay for me or not and your video really got me thinking. I'll watch until the end, I'm only at the fire test, but you just spoke about the pandemic and why leather is what it is. I thank you for making this video :D I need to learn how to craft with leather better. >.< Following instructions from someone that's been doing it almost 20 years is difficult but I'm stubborn. hehe.
Your review was was true and non-prejudiced. I find that when "facts" are reviewed instead of "feelings", quite often the result is the old, time proven way. In a bigger world picture, I wish more things were considered and reviewed fairly and factually as you did. Merit based, fact driven, fair and balanced reviews will net you true results. THANK YOU!!!
Great video, thank you.
Vegan leather will have its place in some products. Maybe something that future iterations might improve upon.
Unfortunately for anything I make would never be comfortable with the results.
Great overview of the "vegan" leathers. I didn't know they were attached to plastic. Disappointing. I am not a vegan, but I understand how some people feel, and you were not condescending, so good job.
Thank you
I like these videos, they teach me what not to try, that’s semi new in the market! Thanks man. We only have Tandy’s leather shop here in east coast Nova Scotia. You must have better resources there?
Thank you for the review. Also interested to see what will be the next generations
Интересно смотреть ваши видео. Я из России 👍🔥
Seen some really nice work come out of Russia
why the ai thumbnail tho
ai everything - thumbnail, title, description, the leather is synthetic so I made everything synthetic lol
@@Corter ah ok haha that makes a lot of sense
@@Corter I'm glad I saw your answer. Your videos got me into leatherworking 4 years ago and seeing that thumbnail with that description made me unsub immediately at first.
I'd imagine it's a smart thing to unsubscribe either way if you're that upset over a thumbnail image. Glad the videos taught you the craft though.
@@CorterI didn't think that being upset by automatically generated content (not only the thumbnail but the description as well) warranted such a passive aggressive answer. But ok.
How’d you make your cover pic for this video?
AI generated if I were to guess
adter you added the glue im sure those suckers would light us on fire by just rubbing them together lol
I've been really interested in trying the different vegan leathers. I've heard there is a mushroom one that is really good and more leather like than the others. I love working with mammal leathers, but I'm allergic to them (alpha gal allergy) and it does cause issues. Unfortunately the other leathers like snake and lizard are small and ostrich leather is way to expensive for me.
I've been a vegetarian, bordering on vegan, for more than 45 years. I wish there was a good plant-based alternative to leather. But...there's just not. I'm okay with cowhide being a waste product that should be used if beef is going to be eaten anyway. If we ever get to the point where people are eating so little beef that we have to kill cattle to get leather specifically, I'll have to re-think things. But for now, real hide is more environmentally friendly.
With that level of flammability I'm not sure you could actually use it in a commercial consumer good, given all of the flame retardants that have to go into children's clothing that's made of polyester that don't appear to be here.
Have you heard of Reishi? It’s made from mushrooms only and seems like it has quite high pontential for being a sustainable leather. Made by a company called mycoworks
I have, it's not available to the public and has a polyurethane topcoat on it. It's the one I wanted to try most, but you can't get it from what I know.
As far as edge painting goes, perhaps it simply requires a different kind of paint/dye.
Grape, cactus, etc. When polyester is added isnt that still a form of vinyl?
I recall assisting a young woman who is a model, showing me her new, insanely expensive, vegan-leather purse she was so proud of (over ten yrs ago).
It was a form of vinyl and looked like product from any Target, Walmart or dollar store.
Not wanting to share my thought ("oh, you poor, dumb thing") I told her it was nice.
It is always hard to be mindful of all the possible factors that contribute to how a product is made and its impact on our world.
And how deep are you looking into that rabbit hole (Would you buy an Eco-friendly strawberry if the tiers of the truck that transport them are not eco-friendly?!?)
I like leather for its qualities and would love the find a leather product that gives more insight into which animal gave the hide, which process was used to prepare it into leather, and the impact it has on our world.
I find it refreshing that you point out that the wine industry and cattle industry share a high impact on our world.
Would it be possible to attach the grape of cacti top to a natural base? Like jute cloth or a type of canvas.
It would be not a replacement for leather but a new product to find its own use and market share.
Replacing a product to satisfy a need not to use the product always feels a little silly to me.
Thank you for the video
Glad i watched the entire video. There is already way too much plastic in our environment as is lets not add to it.
one last thing: will it wetform? (i assume bot but would love to see)
For now I will stick with leather, I have a leather journal that I’ve had over 13 years and it is still a beautiful leather, it does have scratches on it but that to me just tells the history, it gives it character. My grandmother told me to buy a coat that’s made out of leather and you’ll have it your lifetime, when she was younger she lived on her fathers farm and had cattle she said nothing goes to waste.
What about cork?
Beware! Cork textile/fabric is not made only out of cork. They add plenty of plastic to it to make it more durable.
Find plant based alternatives very interesting, but I agree that the use of plastic and the more flimsy nature of these alternatives makes it a less sustainable alternative to animal leather. I have seen another company called life materials which makes some 100% plant based leather alternatives from a number of different things and is available to the general public. Would you consider testing them too?
If it less expensive than leather, it could be used as a learning "leather"..
In my opinion "Plant-based leather" is still plastic-based fake leather with some plant fibers. It might be better than the older full-plastic fake leather, but its still plastic.
As far as I know they can't really be recycled as its a mixture of different plastics, but that might have changed since I last read about this, which was some years ago.
The main issue i have with any kind of fake leather (full plastic or plant based) is they war out really quickly. Even if not used heavily.
Either the top layer or the top lacquer, peels of the backing as a whole layer or flakes of in tiny pieces, or the material just fails out of nowhere. Regular exposure to sunlight or sweat speeds up this process like crazy.
Also fake leather doesn't age or patina like real leather does. It just looks like brand new, until it starts to break.
Real leather has to be maintained, but at least it doesn't break down if maintained properly.
Great review, im sticking with regular leather Lol!
kautschuk is also plant based
my only question is how will it hold up over time
what happens after 10 20 30 50 years
also like a lot of vegan products have plastics or chemicals in it
and there we go polyurethane no thank you , its out already and the video is only at one minute mark
They're pretty clear in all the reading material that it's only meant to last 10 years max, which is super confusing because they're currently making car interiors out of it lol
@@Corter Cars are designed to be replaceable products now. It is too true that they don't make them like they used to. Planned obsolescence is the sales strategy for a lot of companies. I feel like leather workers are the opposite. Thank you for the video.
would be the same as calling Polyester cotton.... Not going to work.... for people who know batter...
I would miss the smell, sound and touch of my vegtan. Guess skiving is out of the question 😂
if it works use it, if not then dont, great video!!!
It's a type of MATERIAL. Not "leather" as the world views "leather".
I wish society would stop with the naming of legitimate things with the fake and manipulated items they want to desparately justify and lie about.
My grandmother's plastic grapes in the livingroom decorative bowl on the coffee table, NOW, must surely have some nutritional value in today’s world.😂 They "identify" as 'grapes' and how dare you not believe my delusion??🙄 Now let me get other idiots like me together and then attempt to force you to believe my lunacy or we shame and harass you.
This kind of stuff is a massive scam imo. But I have found plant leather that is actually cool. At a renfair I found a vendor called Leafii selling leaf leather. Literal Teak leaves soaked and dried into sheets with some sort of adhesive, probably also a plastic base (which would suck if true). I got a notebook made of it, and it really is cool. You can see and feel the veins in the leaves, and being a crafter the vendor showed me his personal wallet that he made with it, which at the time was 2 years old. It ages and patinas just like leather, the veins fade to a lighter shade, the edges darken, the veins can also raise up and become more pronounced over time. But they dont know how long it lasts, his wallet was the oldest item that they've made with it, so at least 2 years. They make some really cool bags and stuff with it, but idk how ethical their company truly is. They claim sustainability and paying good wages to asian farmers, etc, but that can mean anything they want their marketing scheme to mean. All I know is the leaf leather is actually really interesting, and works beautifully for making stuff for any sort of ranger or druid type character for a larp.
I personally have been using faux leather in the past, and I never wanna use it again. I put a lot of effort into making pieces that just did not last at all. All the plastic, the fact it doesn't last, that's for me personally reasons to rather make one long lasting piece of leather than plastic wannabe leather. Of course, the animal doesn't die. But it's still horrible for the environment with all the plastic. Not for me. But it's an option for whoever doesn't feel comfortable using animal skin and I can respect that.
Is this vegan material a bi product of the food industry like leather or will plants have to die specifically for its manufacture.
Great tinder option.
I vote using the by product of the cattle industry. Using every bit of the animal is truly honorable. Plastic is no good,
So glad I am not vegan. Thanks for sharing.
The rest of us are, too. You'd be *even more* insufferable.
Yeah, the minute you mentioned the binding and plastic I lost interest...sorry but, good video, thanks.
Please Don't do that
Nope.
I feel like plastic and leather get a bad rap. They’re both just byproducts. Plastic and rubber are just leftovers from oil refinement. I am pro plastic and leather, because I feel like it’s better to get secondary use out of both before they end up in a landfill and end up being fossil fuels millennia from now.
I think “vegan” or plant based leathers are ridiculous. Animal based leather in itself is a byproduct of the meat industry so I don’t understand why people would question the ethics to it. Making a new product infused with plastic that can’t degrade and is likely to not last is a bigger ethical issue than not using a leather just because it came from a living creature.
I’m completely fine with people choosing a vegan lifestyle but leather should be an exception for use. If you are vegan don’t feel bad about having a leather product it’s better off for the environment than these faux, “feel good” greenwashing products.
Just call it vinyl instead of trying fancy names...
That stuff can be called leather, but it's not leather. Calling a cow hide a peach doesn't make it a peach.
Vegan leather is just rubber 😉
They need to come up with different names for these alternatives. They are NOT leather.
I think, all this leather replacement stuff miss the point. Leather is already a recycled product. It uses the remaining rawhides from meat production. As long as animals are raised and sloughtered for meat, there are hides remaining. Them not using for turning into leather, you should have to throw them away. In terms of sustainability and environmentally a complete nonsens. Leather is one of the oldest receicle products of mankind. Why change a winning team. And if the tanning is made in industrial developed countries with proper environmental regulations, the production doesn't harm workers or nature.
My opinion as a tanner, working 45 years in the leather industry.
Not a very bright idea I must say
To each their own. I prefer to eat and wear animals.
What is leather? None of the above in my opinion.
Let me think about it,no.
Wait I thought this was quarter leather 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The concept of plant based materials used for constructing things doesn't bother me. The world uses it all the time in packaging. What's bothersome is the foolishness of people branding something as 'Vegan' in an attempt to appear Green and eco-conscious. I can understand people taking a dietary 'anti-meat' stance, but why are they attempting to shame leather as something substandard and politically evil? Even worse is that if you ask those same people "How is leather made?" they haven't a clue.
So yeah, let's throw out those 6,000 year old recipes of using 'plant based' vegetable tannins to reinforce natural animal tissue and only use plastic coated, ground fruit rind pressed into sheets. THAT is the 'Green' path alright. MORE plastic in people's lives. Oh so healthy for planet Earth (eyeroll.) Sorry guys,..not buying into it.
Additionally, there's the screwy branding. Are people buying vegan products to make themselves feel better? Or are they buying vegan products to virtue signal? There's a difference. Also note that when the average person sees a plant based vegan product their first thought will be...'Is that leather?' Which kind of defeats the entire concept.
Have a wonderful Spring everyone. Cheers!🍺
I already cater to customers who refuse to wear plant products though.
This stuff is as much leather as vegan hamburgers are meat. If they would stop trying to trick people with childish word games people might take them more seriously. Just call it what it is: plastic. Although if they did that they could no longer claim that it was sustainable or eco-friendly without being immediately called out.
I threw up in my mouth and have to go 😂😢
Its not leather so why call it leather. Leather is made from animal skin.
As an artist that loves your work and has learned so much from you, please do not use AI for your thumbnails! It's powered by the theft of thousands of artists and creatives and just really sucks to see!! Please dude you are better than this :(
The whole point was to make everything in the video - thumbnail/title/description - synthetic with ai because the leather feels like ai made leather. not going to be a full time thing :)
@@Corter While I get the idea, you could have gotten the same idea across by photoshopping something just as fake.
"just this once to prove a point" is still using a tool actively threatening mine and many others livelihoods. I'm glad its not going to be a full time thing, but it's gotta be a zero tolerance thing.
Like im going to be honest, the thumbnail nearly made me immediately un-sub on principal, and your reply to me is the only thing to bring me back to actually watch the video and see your point. And I'm sure im going to get people replying to me "oh it's not that serious get off your soapbox" because i always do when i make comments like this, but like thats kind of the point because it is that serious. We had an entertainment industry shut down last year because it is that serious (among other things)
I'm sorry to word vomit in your comments but I feel passionately about this and I am so tired of having to do so.
Thank you for reading all of this if you do.
No worries, everyone's got their own moral compass. If you feel like the thumbnail is something to unsubscribe over that's your own opinion and you're more than welcome to it!
That's a common mischaracteristion of how generative AI works. It's not "stealing" anything, any more than you would be stealing if you drew, let's say, a cactus, from memory. You can only draw a cactus because you've learned what a cactus looks like, either by seeing a cactus in-person or thru exposure to the work of others depicting cacti (including, in this example, written botanical descriptions of cacti). 'Your' cactus would be a completely unique piece of art, despite drawing entirely from your previous exposure. This is how AI works. It's how we work too.
Nope. Never will buy some.
"Vegan leather" just has a fancy and a very misleading name.
Vegan? Not if it’s petroleum based and I’m not really empathetic to the vegan movement but I doubt they’d like this unnatural product. Sounds like a flop, leather is a byproduct of the meat industry, is biodegradable and yet durable for years. Leather helps use the whole animal like my ancestors did…
Plant based leather is not leather.
Might be less offensive to the horses if we build their saddles out of it.
Leather comes from animals. I have no problem with that fact. I enjoy meat and I hunt and eat what I harvest.
I won't call something leather that ain't leather, maybe pleather is more suitable for that abomination.
Eat meat
Total flop