Sadly, from my observations over the past 30 years of my design career in architecture and related design practices, the landscape doesn’t care much about the “thinking”, this is maybe most evident in Netflix leveraging their data to script stories with actors driven by the data. The “thinking” value proposition will be subverted as quickly as possible by those with the capital. I think we’re looking at the last gasps of the practice
@@BM4KVX of course it can with time. Just copy paste with slight modification to fit the context. In the future, architects/designers are just reviewersapprovers to review AI's work.
Architecture can now be measured in clicks. Amount of mouse clicks needed to get building permit is trending towards zero. Imagine what happens when you take clicking away, everybody can be the architect. Supply goes infinite, and demand drops. Life gets better for humans. As architecture plans consist just about 3% of building cost, i guess more choice and not savings will be main driver of change.
I think the industry doesn’t care about the thinking, (meaning, identity, culture) but the general public has always had a great appreciation and care for what kind of new buildings are being built in their neighbourhoods. All the copy paste sterile buildings around the world tend to be hated by the general public but greatly admired by aspiring architects
Great interview Oliver and Steven, this was super fun to listen to. Even though I went to Architecture school just like you guys, I mostly do ArchViz as my main work so if anyone is scared of AI, it'd be me 😂 However, with any new tech and inventions that come out I think it'll create a bigger gap between the ones who are willing to learn to adapt and those who aren't. I've been going down the AI rabbit hole myself and what I learned was definitely scary, it's more capable than we think. But I'm also an optimist in that I think if we put in the work, we can learn how to utilize it as a tool to enhance our skills rather being replaced by it. Keep up the great content! ❤
Hey, Minh! Thanks a lot for the feedback! And I totally feel you, it's scary and I'm not sure how this industry is going to cope with it. We're all in this together I believe haha. On one hand, it can help new architects and students get their ideas visualized and represented in a better and faster way. But also, it then simply takes away our jobs of teaching this new generation how to do it. I still believe identity and creative process will count a ton in the final outcome, but let's see where this heads to. Btw I love your content, and I always find myself going back to your videos to learn new tricks. We should do something together in the future! Cheers 😀
@@LearnUpstairs yes! no matter what I think there's definitely a place for creatives and designers like us, if anything, it'll become even more important. I'm glad my content are useful! It's been a busy year for me since I had a baby but I'm finally getting back to creating more content. And I agree! I do have an idea that for our collaborations and it's not just us two, I'd love to include Steven as well. Love both of your guys' content. I think each of us has a unique style hat we can probably do some kind of challenge and see how it creative we can get!
Ai is wild now... It needs to be tamed ...need a master and that's where The real test is... How cabable you are to guide Ai... Oppurtunities lies there... It's a dwell between Ai and your imagination put on words... It's actually a fun ride... Ai has disrupted everything... We have to show who is the Boss or else get ready to be kicked on ass...
Good input. But all in all, learing AI, just mean using it to do job extremely efficiently. And extremely efficient users, mean far less work on the market. You know what that means.
Oh, I agree about the excitement surrounding Unreal. Even as an actual design tool, I can see a future in real-time rendering. On the other hand, AI, which I have been using lately, doesn't excite me as much. AI, as broad a term as it has become, has its place. But as long as it's unable to track parts of your project in a 3D space (meaning image-generators such as Midjourney are only limited "artists" at this point) and adjust documentation accordingly, interact with our BIM environment and... tell people what to do on site (lol)... it's only a tool. And, sure, as with the tech revolution that came with the internet, early adopters will have an advantage.
As an architecture graduate with drafting, photo editing, model making, and writing skills, I am eager to join your team. Passionate about analyzing buildings and interiors, I'm excited to contribute to your dynamic content. Hope to discuss potential opportunities soon.
Really great content! Olly’s insight in Ai is impressive, he communicates clearly the stand of Ai right now, Thanks Oliver and Steven for putting the work for this conversations to happen, both for students and the ones who are now finishing archi school like myself.
I'm so happy to hear that! Thanks a lot for the feedback. It's such an important conversation to have about AI. We only see the hype and extreme use case, but I wanted to bring light into how it has actually been used and what someone as Olly with his position at BIG thinks about it.
This right here is a good conversation. Olly said it best at @8:18 . As architects and Arch Viz artist we are hired to solve problems through creativity and that is irreplaceable. Ai is amazing, and we should be able to do better works because of it. I imagine how AI will progress in a year, and AR is just around the corner once tech catches up it.. Looking forward to Part 2 a year from now. hopefully Mr. Clippy comes back lol Hats off to You and Oliver for this.
This is a very exciting and engaging video. Thank you, Oliver and Steven, for bringing Oily to discuss this very important subject. One can listen to him for hours.Awesome insights as always.Honestly didn't want it to end.
I wouldn't agree with the 3D print versus model building. The value in building a model by hand is not only seeing the finished product, but you also get a understanding of the structure and detail of the model you are making. You notice things that you wouldn't do. (See 30x40 video about model making for example). A render is something you want visualized, and is not interactive in the same way, where i see AI be more applicable. Would appreciate others thoughts on this:)
Amazing discussion Olly, Steven & Oliver! I could relate to some of the points you guys touched upon. AI is definitely here to stay, but what and how Architects use it for is just unclear at the moment I feel, and for any technologist/specialist who deals with such tools on a daily basis, it is quite difficult to keep up with the new releases, given the rapid growth of AI. Great conversation you guys, really brings to perspective what large architecture companies look for and what Olly said is quite relatable. Thank you for this! #TeamATN
So true! That has been my feeling for the past months, a mix of enthusiasm, but also fear, and on top of that trying to navigate through the hype. Much has been inflated and these conversations with people actually using the tech ground us to understand the real scenario. Thanks a lot for the message, Krishnan!
As with everything in AI now - it's just a matter of time. Unless people choose to stop it. With architecture, it's really just a matter of some company making a carefully crafted app, that connect few features. One feature would be plan drafting - a robust software would take inputs for law restrictions, area, all rules, the output would be the plan, then style input, 3 dimensional restrictions, height etc. the output would be few possible buildings, the one picked could be then QUICKLY refined, also by AI, only guided by a human. One ready building with all measures, according to law, in few hours of work. We are just few years away now. Unfortunately. Unless we stop it. But we won't most likely.
Good question! I understand the immense value blockchain technology already brings to our society. But I'm intrigued to see how it can be used in many more fields. I'll keep that on my notes to explore this topic in future conversations I have with Olly and others.
Where are some good resources/blogs/channels to keep up to date with all things AI in architecture? I would love to know more and be good at it but I can't keep up with all the different softwares and constant developments
Well, I do not agree with the speakers. AI is likely to slowly erase architect role. If you look in the long term, if the architect just do the thinking and AI implement the drawing, why a client should go to an architect in the first place. Client can provide the thinking. Example: I am a person who want build a house. I give the parameter (size of the plot) to AI; I give AI information about the style I want; I give also a narrative to the project if I want; AI elaborate the data and check the building regulations. At the end of the process it shows me the render option. I pick the render I prefer, choose the materials. After the details are chosen AI create the model from which he can extract technical plans and engineering drawing. With that drawing I go to the builder (probably handled by robots) and start building. Of fours the interaction cannot be done by a kids but depending on how difficult is to communicate with AI a graduate person can do the process. In fact what the speaker is missing is that architect just not do the “thinking”: what makes the profession survive is having expertise on regulations and technicalities. If you remove technicalities from the plate you make architecture accessible to the final consumer: everybody with a idea can ask AI to create the drawings. The only barrier is the time you have to spend talking to AI but imagine how much money u save on architect’s bill and engineers. This is especially true for public sector : imagine if building office of municipalities start to apply this method, they don’t need any more firm like BIG. Of course we are not there yet but definitely it is going to be the way. I’m afraid …
I think the same way, it's just a matter of time, have you seen the openai robot? They will be equally similar to human beings, but with the ability to do everything infinitely better, for all professions.
Most architects are terrible at marketing, financial management, and hiring people. When was the last time when a middle class family is in need and think about hiring an architect to solve their problems? Never. Your business models are wrong, and you need to transform the whole profession to stay relevant in 21st century life and economy.
As history shows us, there are bound to be revolutions that lead to the disappearance of some professions and the emergence of others, and it seems that this is happening these days.
I hear a lot of typical comments here from my fellow architects. There was a time when architects were the leaders of the project but the painful truth is because of groups like AIA the consensus was that architects should avoid risk. “ We,re designers money is someone else’s problem “. Meanwhile the construction companies have come in and taken control because they knew that if you weren’t at the table taking responsibility for the money (costs), your just a drafting service. Wake up! The paper is blank. Architects are the only people who can piece the lines together. Too much of the industry has become a race to the bottom.
It's sad to say but architecture is ultimately dictated by capitalist clients that want every square inch functional. This is one of the main reasons most buildings are plain square. I do however think that ai will upscale the parametric facade designs and the thermal performances as well as potentially advising on material selection. I see a future of highly sophisticated boxes. I am more interested in how ai can help invent new sustainable materials that can potentially be used in the buildings. Or even support with value engineering just like the mr clippy idea where it'd suggest an alternative as you model with real time value oer unit.
If you can't handle a pencil, a sheet of paper and create a physical model, you are useless as architect. I started to properly draw by hand again and switched to a dumbphone six months ago and I am really happy.
@@matteokolednik6493 Haaa, we all got our own bubbles, mate. Of course I have a smartphone, but it is used as a computer and photocamera. I try to keep it simpler where it is possible, thats why a dumbphone is a slower, more natural pace. I do use the computer for drafting. I meant sketching, or even a tehcnical drawing in details, not necessarily for submission. The basis should be a natural connection between yoursefl and the paper through you pencil, pen or any other tool. After that you can use the computer to make renders and any other computer-aided tools.
Sadly, from my observations over the past 30 years of my design career in architecture and related design practices, the landscape doesn’t care much about the “thinking”, this is maybe most evident in Netflix leveraging their data to script stories with actors driven by the data. The “thinking” value proposition will be subverted as quickly as possible by those with the capital. I think we’re looking at the last gasps of the practice
But can AI go above and beyond and draw details & compose a full CD set flawlessly? 🤔 Doubt it.
@@BM4KVX of course it can with time. Just copy paste with slight modification to fit the context. In the future, architects/designers are just reviewersapprovers to review AI's work.
Architecture can now be measured in clicks. Amount of mouse clicks needed to get building permit is trending towards zero. Imagine what happens when you take clicking away, everybody can be the architect. Supply goes infinite, and demand drops. Life gets better for humans. As architecture plans consist just about 3% of building cost, i guess more choice and not savings will be main driver of change.
I think the industry doesn’t care about the thinking, (meaning, identity, culture) but the general public has always had a great appreciation and care for what kind of new buildings are being built in their neighbourhoods. All the copy paste sterile buildings around the world tend to be hated by the general public but greatly admired by aspiring architects
Great interview Oliver and Steven, this was super fun to listen to. Even though I went to Architecture school just like you guys, I mostly do ArchViz as my main work so if anyone is scared of AI, it'd be me 😂 However, with any new tech and inventions that come out I think it'll create a bigger gap between the ones who are willing to learn to adapt and those who aren't. I've been going down the AI rabbit hole myself and what I learned was definitely scary, it's more capable than we think. But I'm also an optimist in that I think if we put in the work, we can learn how to utilize it as a tool to enhance our skills rather being replaced by it. Keep up the great content! ❤
Hey, Minh! Thanks a lot for the feedback! And I totally feel you, it's scary and I'm not sure how this industry is going to cope with it. We're all in this together I believe haha. On one hand, it can help new architects and students get their ideas visualized and represented in a better and faster way. But also, it then simply takes away our jobs of teaching this new generation how to do it. I still believe identity and creative process will count a ton in the final outcome, but let's see where this heads to. Btw I love your content, and I always find myself going back to your videos to learn new tricks. We should do something together in the future! Cheers 😀
@@LearnUpstairs yes! no matter what I think there's definitely a place for creatives and designers like us, if anything, it'll become even more important. I'm glad my content are useful! It's been a busy year for me since I had a baby but I'm finally getting back to creating more content. And I agree! I do have an idea that for our collaborations and it's not just us two, I'd love to include Steven as well. Love both of your guys' content. I think each of us has a unique style hat we can probably do some kind of challenge and see how it creative we can get!
Ai is wild now... It needs to be tamed ...need a master and that's where The real test is... How cabable you are to guide Ai... Oppurtunities lies there... It's a dwell between Ai and your imagination put on words... It's actually a fun ride... Ai has disrupted everything... We have to show who is the Boss or else get ready to be kicked on ass...
Good input. But all in all, learing AI, just mean using it to do job extremely efficiently. And extremely efficient users, mean far less work on the market. You know what that means.
Oh, I agree about the excitement surrounding Unreal. Even as an actual design tool, I can see a future in real-time rendering.
On the other hand, AI, which I have been using lately, doesn't excite me as much. AI, as broad a term as it has become, has its place. But as long as it's unable to track parts of your project in a 3D space (meaning image-generators such as Midjourney are only limited "artists" at this point) and adjust documentation accordingly, interact with our BIM environment and... tell people what to do on site (lol)... it's only a tool.
And, sure, as with the tech revolution that came with the internet, early adopters will have an advantage.
Great input! I do agree with you on some points. But it's all just the beginning, let's see where it's headed
Good job Oliver and Steven. The topics discussed in this video are quite relavant especially to students. Keep em coming guys!! 👍👍
Thanks a lot for the feedback! It means a lot to us. 🙏
Very needed discussion and lot of valuable info here! Great to see you all togther, greetings from Mexico guys! Viviano
Thanks, man! Your support is much appreciated! 💙
great convo and info
As an architecture graduate with drafting, photo editing, model making, and writing skills, I am eager to join your team. Passionate about analyzing buildings and interiors, I'm excited to contribute to your dynamic content. Hope to discuss potential opportunities soon.
Really great content! Olly’s insight in Ai is impressive, he communicates clearly the stand of Ai right now, Thanks Oliver and Steven for putting the work for this conversations to happen, both for students and the ones who are now finishing archi school like myself.
I'm so happy to hear that! Thanks a lot for the feedback. It's such an important conversation to have about AI. We only see the hype and extreme use case, but I wanted to bring light into how it has actually been used and what someone as Olly with his position at BIG thinks about it.
This right here is a good conversation. Olly said it best at @8:18 . As architects and Arch Viz artist we are hired to solve problems through creativity and that is irreplaceable. Ai is amazing, and we should be able to do better works because of it. I imagine how AI will progress in a year, and AR is just around the corner once tech catches up it.. Looking forward to Part 2 a year from now. hopefully Mr. Clippy comes back lol Hats off to You and Oliver for this.
This is a very exciting and engaging video. Thank you, Oliver and Steven, for bringing Oily to discuss this very important subject. One can listen to him for hours.Awesome insights as always.Honestly didn't want it to end.
Very informative, a must watch for any current students.
I wouldn't agree with the 3D print versus model building. The value in building a model by hand is not only seeing the finished product, but you also get a understanding of the structure and detail of the model you are making. You notice things that you wouldn't do. (See 30x40 video about model making for example). A render is something you want visualized, and is not interactive in the same way, where i see AI be more applicable. Would appreciate others thoughts on this:)
Oliver’s camera quality is so top tier he looks ai generated
Amazing discussion Olly, Steven & Oliver! I could relate to some of the points you guys touched upon. AI is definitely here to stay, but what and how Architects use it for is just unclear at the moment I feel, and for any technologist/specialist who deals with such tools on a daily basis, it is quite difficult to keep up with the new releases, given the rapid growth of AI. Great conversation you guys, really brings to perspective what large architecture companies look for and what Olly said is quite relatable. Thank you for this! #TeamATN
So true! That has been my feeling for the past months, a mix of enthusiasm, but also fear, and on top of that trying to navigate through the hype. Much has been inflated and these conversations with people actually using the tech ground us to understand the real scenario. Thanks a lot for the message, Krishnan!
Amazing discussion
Yayy! Never been this early to your video!
I also always say thank you. I even compliment Midjourney when I’m happy with the output. 🤖
As with everything in AI now - it's just a matter of time. Unless people choose to stop it. With architecture, it's really just a matter of some company making a carefully crafted app, that connect few features. One feature would be plan drafting - a robust software would take inputs for law restrictions, area, all rules, the output would be the plan, then style input, 3 dimensional restrictions, height etc. the output would be few possible buildings, the one picked could be then QUICKLY refined, also by AI, only guided by a human. One ready building with all measures, according to law, in few hours of work. We are just few years away now. Unfortunately. Unless we stop it. But we won't most likely.
watching now, its interesting & informative video.
Great interview! Very insightful about AI architecture.
Make me rethink what is really adding value to an idea. Still, what a time to be alive.
Hii I want to ask what about blockchain could we use blockchain in architecture
Good question! I understand the immense value blockchain technology already brings to our society. But I'm intrigued to see how it can be used in many more fields. I'll keep that on my notes to explore this topic in future conversations I have with Olly and others.
great work i loved it
I like the thought that Ai is more like a addition to the design process and more like a "Super Pinterest"
Where are some good resources/blogs/channels to keep up to date with all things AI in architecture? I would love to know more and be good at it but I can't keep up with all the different softwares and constant developments
One tech is also useful in our field 'that open company' where you create your own Bim programs
Thanks for sharing this. I haven't heard about it until now! I'll definitely look into it
Humasn are actually training our future replacement hahaha!
Well, I do not agree with the speakers. AI is likely to slowly erase architect role. If you look in the long term, if the architect just do the thinking and AI implement the drawing, why a client should go to an architect in the first place. Client can provide the thinking. Example: I am a person who want build a house. I give the parameter (size of the plot) to AI; I give AI information about the style I want; I give also a narrative to the project if I want; AI elaborate the data and check the building regulations. At the end of the process it shows me the render option. I pick the render I prefer, choose the materials. After the details are chosen AI create the model from which he can extract technical plans and engineering drawing. With that drawing I go to the builder (probably handled by robots) and start building. Of fours the interaction cannot be done by a kids but depending on how difficult is to communicate with AI a graduate person can do the process.
In fact what the speaker is missing is that architect just not do the “thinking”: what makes the profession survive is having expertise on regulations and technicalities. If you remove technicalities from the plate you make architecture accessible to the final consumer: everybody with a idea can ask AI to create the drawings. The only barrier is the time you have to spend talking to AI but imagine how much money u save on architect’s bill and engineers. This is especially true for public sector : imagine if building office of municipalities start to apply this method, they don’t need any more firm like BIG. Of course we are not there yet but definitely it is going to be the way. I’m afraid …
I think the same way, it's just a matter of time, have you seen the openai robot? They will be equally similar to human beings, but with the ability to do everything infinitely better, for all professions.
I agree , have seen similarities in Ai output everywhere!
Most architects are terrible at marketing, financial management, and hiring people. When was the last time when a middle class family is in need and think about hiring an architect to solve their problems? Never. Your business models are wrong, and you need to transform the whole profession to stay relevant in 21st century life and economy.
real time rendering changes our entire workflow ... for the better ... as architects.
they say a picture is worth a thousand words, but is a thousand words (prompt) worth a picture
35:10 modeling context?!?!?!?!
(A personal timestamp)
Cutting edge tech, faxinating
As history shows us, there are bound to be revolutions that lead to the disappearance of some professions and the emergence of others, and it seems that this is happening these days.
I hear a lot of typical comments here from my fellow architects. There was a time when architects were the leaders of the project but the painful truth is because of groups like AIA the consensus was that architects should avoid risk. “ We,re designers money is someone else’s problem “. Meanwhile the construction companies have come in and taken control because they knew that if you weren’t at the table taking responsibility for the money (costs), your just a drafting service. Wake up! The paper is blank. Architects are the only people who can piece the lines together. Too much of the industry has become a race to the bottom.
Totally agree. In the end, Architecture will always be based on human thinking and behavior.
and interaction
I'd like to see some ai agents put to work on designs in a clever way, similar to how ChatDev works.
They forgot that no body want to be an architect in the future. No body want to do those design what Tim Fu did just beautiful shapes nothing more.
It's sad to say but architecture is ultimately dictated by capitalist clients that want every square inch functional. This is one of the main reasons most buildings are plain square. I do however think that ai will upscale the parametric facade designs and the thermal performances as well as potentially advising on material selection. I see a future of highly sophisticated boxes. I am more interested in how ai can help invent new sustainable materials that can potentially be used in the buildings. Or even support with value engineering just like the mr clippy idea where it'd suggest an alternative as you model with real time value oer unit.
First time commenting first !
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My take is everything with information is becoming expendable..intellect in not intelligence though
I want to start podcasts like yours in greece but havent graduated yet . Keep up bros
8 months later… AI wins
If you can't handle a pencil, a sheet of paper and create a physical model, you are useless as architect.
I started to properly draw by hand again and switched to a dumbphone six months ago and I am really happy.
U Are living in your bubble
@@matteokolednik6493 Haaa, we all got our own bubbles, mate. Of course I have a smartphone, but it is used as a computer and photocamera. I try to keep it simpler where it is possible, thats why a dumbphone is a slower, more natural pace. I do use the computer for drafting. I meant sketching, or even a tehcnical drawing in details, not necessarily for submission. The basis should be a natural connection between yoursefl and the paper through you pencil, pen or any other tool. After that you can use the computer to make renders and any other computer-aided tools.
Super nice content.