The Governments - Toby Sumpter | Reformed Basics #5
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- God has established four governments among men: self-government, family government, church government, and civil government. Christians must love and honor these authorities, and these authorities must love and honor the God who gave them.
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Great video series
The shark eating the kid cracked me up
I love you brothers 🎉 keep up the great work!
Fantastic overview of the theology of government, God bless your work.
Great, keep em coming!
Love it. Just like a previous "Ask Doug" this leans heavy into "Theonomy" but not the extreme versions. Very good content!
Haha, the animations in the background are so funny and so distractive, I have to rewind to listen again where the animation showed up, but I like them.
Listened to this whole series and it’s been great. When you referenced Ecclesiastes 8:1 did you really mean 8:11?
Thanks for pointing that out!
Do I need to formally be a member at a church? My church is reformed Baptist and requires a believers baptism by immersion to be a member. My wife was baptized as an infant in the reformed church. I myself am on the verge of switching my view of baptism from credobaptism to paedobaptism because of the teaching on the covenants from Christ Church and RC Sproul. My wife cannot be a member at the church i was raised in, but I could become one because I was baptized by immersion as a new believer. It tears at my heart that my wife can't be a member because we are one flesh and I believe her doctrine is more biblically accurate when I look at the covenantal story as a whole. I have thought about attending a different church, but the northwest is very baptist and I am not very comfortable with all of the beliefs/practices of my Lutheran and Presbyterian brothers and sisters in Christ in regards to membership, baptism, and communion. We like the church we attend because of its reformed teaching, but we feel like outsiders because of our view of baptism. I would appreciate advice on this. Thank you.
Has this been discussed with the pastors and elders?
I'm surprised they would block membership over this. I live in Oregon, have attended Baptist churches for most of my life and graduated from the Baptist College... I've never heard of this.
@@Tadneiko Yes, we have had one on one conversations with the elders at our church. The elders at our church have a strong view on membership and do not want to let unbaptised people become members of the church. They believe paedobaptism is not real baptism. They claim that it is not a salvation issue, but it is a secondary practice issue that is significant enough to not issue membership. I see where they are coming from, but I am not sure if I agree with letting secondary issues divide the church. This is the church I was raised in, so it is even harder to leave it.
Amen
So good! 🙌
I believe the verse at 19:00 should be Ecclesiastes 8:11 though.
Out of all the things that are morally wrong, how do you know which of those morally wrong things should be punishable by the civil government?
Note at 19:08, it's Genesis 9:6 not 6:9
Thanks!
Is this also referred to as “kuyperian sphere sovereignty”?
Yes.
Worship vs nuclear reactor. Hmmm.
Pastor Toby, you had me for the most part until you got to your equivocation with regards to the Biblical definitions of elders and deacons as opposed to the unique and innovative Presbyterian implementation. And then, the strained interpretation of clear Biblical submission of individual Christians to church eldership over and against the modern innovation of formal church membership.
Here's the VERY serious implications of your presentation: as you represent legitimate church eldership, once you have made the above pronouncements, any Christian in submission to you who does not comply with those pronouncements is now openly and flagrantly sinning, at least in accordance with you and your fellow elders (not necessarily in accordance with God) as you have bound their consciences in so doing. It is this that is untenable with regards to strict and simple (i.e., "natural") interpretation of Scripture. It is for this reason that I have come to believe that for churches to remain pure assemblies for the purposes of worship and teaching of the One triune God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob., and not become institutions in which petty rivalries and diabolical intrigue are prevalent, congregations must remain small to ensure an intimacy between true Christians that ensures an adherence to Biblical standards of behavior and conduct of both the eldership, deaconship, and the laity. The city-wide examples in Scripture were only possible, it would seem, because those churches were led by the Apostles themselves or people they personally selected and oversaw.
At least, that is the way I see it. I would greatly appreciate reading your response. Maranatha!
Good stuff. But you should lose that t-shirt.