Vortec 4200 Engine Differences
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Changes and advancements on Ameri-Barra Vortec 4200 DOHC VVT Inline 6 Trailblazer engines over the years and recommendations on which parts to use. We look at the connecting rod designs, crankshaft designs, cylinder head designs, exhaust manifold designs, the different PCM ECU revisions and which one is best for your goals. These engines have so much capability, for the junkyard stock bottom end guys.
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Every 4200 owner/builder is looking for this video. May it never get lost in the youtube algorithm.
i think i just fell more in love with cars cause of this inline beauty
The 4.2l i6 is such an underrated motor. Everyone looks for the V8 and everything. Nobody on here is doing anything with the 4200. The Atlas motor has ALOT of potential. It just needs time an more eyes on it. There an amazing engine. Thank you for being one of a VERY few ppl pushing the limit of this motor
If I get my machine shop again (purchased one before the paradise fires and by the time I made space, the cops wouldn't let me up to clean out the warehouse where they were sitting)
I'll be doing a lloott of work on these atlas motors. Hopefully I can get another 5 axis manual mill and cnc so I can prototype AND test internals. Goal it to start producing my own "ameri-barra" set that would include anything needed to get to 1000hp reliably or 1500 as a strip hero with meticulous maintenance. Kind of like J.P. racing did with the 1gz-fe v12 toyota and 1fz-fe 4.0 2j derivative.
Just towed 8500 lbs with my 04 rainier lol
I never understood why GM DC'd this engine. Such a fantastic and silky smooth powerhouse engine.
Thanks For shedding light on a good thing👀👍😎
And I been a longtime member of Inliners International
Thank you I think you are the only person who breaks down this motors the correct way. Thanks again
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thanks once again for doing something different than LS in the GM world. Really good stuff here for those wanting to head in this direction.
Was about to go buy a vette to build a newer drift car. Cause already has an ls1. Now I wanna Frankenstein another pickup or wagon with one of these and between 4 and 500hp on 2 tunes. 1 for skidracin 1 for highway pulls
I have an 06 Trailblazer with the 4200 and I love it. The best inline 6 I ever drove. Pulls very strong for its displacement.
I agree I have the 04 version and it pulls very hard especially once you get to 3500 and above feels like a little boost kicks in but it’s just the vvt working.
@@Thumper68 I’ve got an 02 with 440k on it and running strong it burns a little oil but what can you expect
Mopar Slant 6 from the 60s!!! Bullet proof, and zero electronics...
@@ucsasinkings8296holy shit man!
I'm sitting here having upgraded from a 2004 Envoy to a super clean and well optioned 2007 Trailblazer not knowing the potential of the 4200 at the time, but wanting to turbo it in the future just to find the amazing work you and others have already done. Nice
Thank you for all the info man we appreciate it 4200s they starting to be more and more appealing everytime you go faster with them
Your Knowledge is AMAZING!! Thanks for making this video.
Keep up the work, and I'll keep following!
I need one of these ASAP... before they start getting expensive
You can find them at any junkyard/pull apart. I've seen quite a lot.
my local mechanics keep trying to get me to trash my TB even though the engine works fine. Makes me suspicious. haha
@@carnage50x why am I just now realizing you commented on this lol small world😂
@@zerohourdrift it's been 84 years...
I've had my eye on a Trailblazer as a second vehicle. The specific one is a 2006. So thankfully the upgraded head. Thanks for putting this video out.
Great video. I have watched this video many time studying and learning about the 4200. Thanks
I've always liked this engine and knew it had potential. I wish gm put it in more vehicles as well as a stronger aftermarket Field.
Same
A man who truly knows his craft. I'd wager you over the GM engineers on some of that info
What’s funny about this engine is that it seems to be a hybrid between the ls and jz (probably the 2 most modded engines in the world other than the k series) and I’ve never seen anybody swap these before (which I find even funnier because all people do is swap the ls and jz lmao).
There are some older videos of MK3 Supras with 4200's floating around.
“HotRod Garage” did a supercharger (or maybe it was a turbo) build on one of these engines. It’s been a while since I watched the episode. (From an 04 I believe)
I have a 06 trailblazer and a 3rd gen camaro just looking for a trans
A worked with a guy who's nephew put a 4.2 in his 37 Chevy Coupe. At Cars n Coffe people would ask why not an LS or SBC. His reply was any idiot can put an LS in. He just wanted to be different. Theres a 32 Ford Highboy up in Canada that has a Jag 4.2 in it. Just to be different.
Thanks so much looking to get a 2007 now...WOW lots of improvements !
Thank you for showing the coil differences. I had a hunch the coils were similar to ls coils but couldnt tell for sure.
another great vid thanks, Calvin.
Hi from Australia. Could you confirm the trigger teeth pattern for me? Is the 7 tooth 6 even teeth plus 1? and what is the 4 teeth on cam even on the 06-08? Thanks.
Hey guys. It's an honor. It's 6+1 on 02-07 engines. 08-09 had 58x identical to an LS. The cam is a weird 6 tooth pattern from 02-07. In 08-09 they went to 4x identical to an LS. The cam sprockets interchange across all the years.
No sh**! Imagine having the SF lads hit you up!
I'm glad I found your channel. I bought a 2004 TB with 65k miles in 2008. I still have it and it now has 178k miles. I'm picking it up today from the transmission shop. They rebuilt the tranny because the tc blew up. It's a great suv less the bad mpg. It has never fail an emission test.
I've seen some of your vids. You are always missing with the tranny and the tcm,, so what happened? Why did it blew up?!
@@marlo0oty213 I guess because I install a Corvette servo a long time ago. It was shifting to 2nd. too hard for a long time.
@@blackericdenice still you had a chance for a manual tb or some other gear to try other than the 4l60
@@marlo0oty213 I would like to install a 6L80.
@@blackericdenice I can’t wait to see that. Good luck but I guess the trans housing is different you may have to make a custom adapter plate!
Dude, so obvious you want the refresh model! Great breakdown, excellent detail, got the 4200 in my mind for a project. Def an '06 to start 😎
Have an sr20de sentra here at the shop rn. Really want that motor. Also have an 06 trail blazer at the shop. Really want that motor too haha
@@rattyratstuff7125 That's a shoehorn! I'm back on my old bullshit, straight power train "swap" into an 80s hearse. It will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine
Great Video thanks for putting a lot questions and plenty of arguments to rest.
I have a 93 t100 on 35’s, sr5. The 3.0 is severely lacking in aftermarket support. I was leaning towards a 1uz, or a 2jz, or even a 4.0 from a newer taco since they are making S/C for them. But now, I’m thinking of picking up a 4.2 for a quarter of the price, and boosting the hell out of it lol
Great video 👌🏼, 4200 vortec i6 are great motors, change oil every 3000 miles, it's good threw
Awesome video! Thank you.
Really cool video man! Thank you!
Great idea, thanks for the video.
Thumbs up even before vid started playing!!!!
Very informative video. Thank you👍
Thank you so much for your videos. You are awesome.
The engine coolant temp sensors are also in different locations. On 02-05 engines its in the block and on 06-later engines its in the head. So if you put a early head on a later block you won't have a place to put a temp sensor. I drilled and taped the upper coolant elbow to house one. Also coming from the repair side of the industry the biggest failure mode we see on these engines is broken valve springs/valve keepers not staying in place, causing bent valves in heads and misfires. This is on stock engines, I'm not sure why it happens but I've seen a trend of them failing this way. The only other failure I've seen is run out of oil causing rod knock.
Yep. Good catch.
Why would you put up an older head on a newer block? Maaan. You have to do the opposite.
I own a 04 trailblazer with the P10. Got a complete 2008 engine. Im gonna swap the crank of 2004 to the 2008 engine and rewire a P12 PCM to get the best ever vortec.
I confirm 2007 head works well on 2005 block.
02 trailblazer had rod knock, had a free 07 engine with a bad head. Cheap is why.
Damn glad i watched this vid im in the process of building an 07 motor and i was wondering what years they was the same as.
What about the block itself and the main caps. Also, what does it take to get an 08 block up and running, I mean what aftermarket ECU? MS Squirt?
Thanks for this very informative video
Great video on the differences between the years, could you do a video on the blocks themselves though? I'm pretty sure they're then same but no one talks about them
They're pretty much the same, but there are some non visible differences, like the sleeves in the later ones are apparently stronger.
Richard Holdener sent me here.Great to meet your acquaintance. Cool engine.
Thanks bud! Thanks for checking it out too l!
So which set up would be best for a 70's era dart/duster? I want to NA tune one with nitrous for kicks and shits. make a modern "super 6" trans am car that boogeys. I'm thinking 08/09 cause of the hptuner capability, but anything 06 and up sounds good.
Is my 05 4200 vortex worth the trouble of upgrading it and if so where should I start. Right now it's factory and any advice would help. I mostly trail ride no mudding and I don't race just need to get up those hills.
yes i need know this as the wiki said a redesign happened thank you ill be using this with manual transmission may want to use in a 4x4 also any suggestions just subscribed .be blessed man
My mom has a old 2003 trailblazer with a 4200. 120,000 miles, beat up a little but in decent condition. Transmission is like 20,000 miles cause it died at 100,000 (I don't know why, mom had to get it replaced). Going to dust it off, has been outside sitting for the past year, get it inspected and add maybe the ss body kit to it and some bigger tires, and do e85 swap with some boost and it will be prime.
Very informative
@nivlac57 So when guys are using the early crank with the late pistons/rods, are they getting them balanced?
Hey i have a 05 gmc envoy with the 4.2 its got a check engine light on the dash for code p0014 which is the advanced timing on cam b code i was just wondering do you know if i have to do timing belts or if there's just some cam sensor i have to replace
Is it possible to put an 06 engine in an 08? If so what needs to change? ECU? and Harness?
You can expand virtual VE in HP Tuners for the e67 and 4200 into 3 bar while still utilizing the MAF for NA conditions.
Can you confirm that? You're speaking from experience?
I have an 04 envoy with a rusted frame but, found a 06 envoy with bad trans, planning on swapping the whole thing, will I have to swap harness and ecu since theyre somewhat different?
This video is great information.
I just scored a 04 atlas 4.2 with 106k miles for $300 bucks. Ran great in a rust bucket. My mint 03 envoy just hit 270k miles and finally started making the worn valve seat diesel sound.
So, if I have a 2008 or later 4200 and want to throw on a turbo, I would have to get a p12 ecu and switch to an earlier crankshaft? Does the p12 work with the later 58 tooth reluctor wheel? I am trying to search online and everything that I see is for V8s and other engines.
Would it be worth getting the previously mentioned motor 03-04 motor for cheap and just using the block but use crank,rods,pistons and head from the 06?
Will a 06 trailblazer engine work in a 03 trailblazer?
What's all the modifications I got to do before the engine will start and run good ?
I have an 07' 4200 that spun a rod bearing, and its too far gone for the crankshaft and rod cap to be machined! I found an 02' 4200 what do i need to do to make it work for my 07'? Can i use the 02' lower( block, crank,) and use the 07' head, oil pan, n timing gears, or will it not work that way?
Good info! After watching your videos, I want to stuff a 4200 into my BMW.
Would be nice in a 5 series. I had a 530i with a Garrett GT40 and it was awesome until a guard rail bit me and caused frame damage. Just a slight dinger on the highway but it was enough.
Likely hood interfearance
GREAT INFO" THANX FROM IDAHO!
Where do i get an Aluminum Intake Manifold like that or did you make that custom where can I get performance parts
EPIC video! Thanks for the wealth of information!!! How's the height compare to a LS with a truck manifold? Any forged piston or rods out there? ARP head, main, or rod bolts? I'm just starting to research this. I was going to do a LS and a remote mount turbo on my Astro van but this looks like an interesting option. Thanks for helping out Holdener. I'm interested to see his upcoming tests too.
This should answer the majority of your questions. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home
@@Calvin-Nelson You rock! Thanks!
What a great site. Well done 👍🏻
Good Stuff!!!
In the early coils what was the plug gap/boost when break up occurred? Also other than cam cover/VVT difference does the intake, exhaust, front cover and oil pans have a common pattern or are there some variances? Im doing a Barra in my 65 F100 but thinking of one of these for a buddies 66 chevy truck vs the 2JZ since he wants something unique and different too
Ngk tr6 plug. 0.020" gap. Probably could have gapped it down a little more but we were out of time.
Hello budy one question, i saw that you have a lot of experience how can install on these engine a t5 transmmission, is there an adapter for this transmission?? Any idea??
Great video and thanks for all the content. I plan on building one of these in the future for sure! Can you use the older crank in the newer blocks? If so, what is needed to change, upgrade or use to do it?
Thanks. Yes. Only thing you really need to do that is tools. That and I'd get some new main bolts.
Very informative thank you. My question is in a stock application how difficult is it to use an 06 head on an 03 engine that is in a trailblazer.
Very easy. Bolts on.
Thanks for this video. I got a chance to pick up a RUNNING 280k mile 04 motor for scrap value. I think i may have to do it. If for nothing but to see how it looks at nearly 300k.
Does anyone know if there’s a video about swapping the newer parts to the older engine? I have a 03 trail blazer
Have you ever checked the gaskets with an ls to see if they line up? i aim to build a 16 v v8 using different heads off a 4 cylinder or 6. Cutting is an option. Syclones and Typhoons did it with the v6. Thanks so much for this information, you have saved all of us quite a few headaches with this video!
I have not. Unfortunately, they are a very different bore spacing. LS is 4.400", Atlas is 4.055"
Thank you, thank you verry much.
Did any of them get a forged crank? In some of the 3500v6 (non vvt) GM put a forged crank in them, and others got a cast, but they all got the PM rods.
I don't think so.
I want one in my 77 impala since sime came with an inline 6. Im looking for a doner truck at the moment.
Those 06+ heads!! Ports are still a little lower/smaller than one might like to see but otherwise look like they're down to flow!
So it's much like a LS, they all will GO, only you may want a aftermarket ecm, do the later model heads fit the early engin? Great video, I appreciate the knowledge!!
If what you are asking is do the LT heads fit on the LS, then yes the bolt holes line up. They changed the dowel locations, and again you have to come up with a solution for the valve order.
Did the block change? Can you swap the heads on the block?
Great video, a question though for the Luddite in some of us; Any method of installing a brace of Side Draft Webers and putting a manual trans behind the 4200??
Yes and yes. Go on the Vortec 4200 swap and performance page on facebook. They have all of the details for manual trans swaps there. For weber carb install, all you need to do is make an intake.
@@Calvin-Nelson Thanks! Will check it out.
First!!!! I've been sooooo waiting for this. Thank you veeeeeeeery much man! Posting this to all TB Groups.
Thank you for responding to my request. Keep making this engines go BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRR!!!!!!!
No problem. Thanks for the idea!
Nice piece of education Calvin. A lot of misconception out in the forums where people claim that using a 06 and later cylinder head on a 05 block is a way to increase HP. Clearly none of them actually tried what they claim otherwise they would have discovered the bolt pattern variation.
Awesome video Calvin. Seriously valuable info here. One question. How much does the long block weigh?
A bare long block weighs about 320pounds.
Thank you. That is much lighter than I expected. Some day I will get one and thanks to you will not have to learn the hard way.
is it possible to run a turbo 400 or turbo 350 or a 700 r4 transmission behind the 4.2
Is it a simple swap to put 12 Counterweight crank into a 0607 engine?
Thank you I look forward to turbocharger my 09 trail.blazer just as a daily kinda sleeper. Not trying to run crazy numbers just double maybe so around 500
Could you run an 04 motor in an 07 would the phasers mess up it running correctly
I have a colorado and want to keep the 58x wheel so that way all my guauges will still work along with other body functions. Can a stand alone ecu be wired in some how to piggy back?
Yes. You'll have to send the signal from some sensors to both ECUs (crank sensor, cam sensor, TPS, etc), and add redundant sensors (map sensor, CLT sensor, IAT sensor, etc). Then you'll have to have the aftermarket ecu take over control of the coils and injectors.
It's not ridiculously hard. Just get a good wiring diagram for the stock ecu and go one wire at a time.
So friend has an 07 2x2 with bad engine / rod knock till it warms up after short time drive comes back. He got a deal on an 04 4x4 thats clean. Seems the crank and cam teeth count are the same. Only issue maybe the vvt on the cam as they changed 06/up ? If that isn't an issue should work fine since change rails or what minor things over. Don't thing oil pan isissue. Yard was saying they should interchange according to Hollander. Thanks
Yeah. Should interchange. Like you said the VVT is the only question mark.
Thank you for this comparison, any chance you can let me know what the bore spacing or cylinder head stud spacing between the bores?
103mm
one question I have is, will a 06+ cylinder head work on an 02-05 block?
Im thinking about a high rpm build. You spoke of these 4200's revving to 10,200 rpm. What valvetrain and rotating assembly would they be using?
Definitely have to shim the lifters to essentially make then solid. Another hot ticket is to use Ecotech followers. They are stronger, and interchange. Not sure what to recommend on valve springs. I found a set of 2JZ valve springs that will work, I just don't know if it will work at 10,000 RPM. These engines have very bad harmonics at around 6,500 RPM. Guys that are taking them to 10,000 RPM run like 7,000 stall converters. Basically they just get through the bad harmonics as quickly as possible.
I would probably be wise to put cams in it so that it will make power at that RPM. Billet cams are expensive, but you probably can get away with a regrind. In my opinion the stock cams are pretty decent and you can do a lot with them. Not sure if they'll support power at 10,000 rpm.
Just got an 05 is it still a good motor before the upgrades
Hi, I've got a quick question. I have an 05 trailblazer ls 4.2 but I think I've got an 06 engine. I recently had the exhaust manifold replaced. If the shop put on an 05 manifold instead of an 06, would it make a difference. I checked and they are 2 different part numbers. Thanks
It may have a very tiny effect on power, but I doubt it. The 05 manifold has smaller ports and runners on the manifold.
Hello, great video, watched it several times. Hoping you could answer a question for me. Putting a 04 motor into an 06 trailblazer. Will the 04 fuel pressure regulator work in 06? cause 06 has no return line, I assume because of different type of fuel pump that doesn't need a return line because of the feedback. Thanks Just started working with these, pretty impressive motor, I am buying another one to redo after I finish the one that I am currently doing for my grand daughter.
I would just use all the 06 stuff if you have it.
So in a nut shell its pretty much like the ls engine world..
Use the later model pistons rods, and cylinder head on a earlier model block/crank.. because of ecu options(in this case a stronger crank)
I guess there was no changes made to the block between years?
I think they did very minor things. They're all pretty good.
So,I want a 2002 crank,06 up head,06 to 08 ecu,06 up rods and pistons. Also wondering if a 06 up intake cam would improve performance on a pre 06 engine.
You do not want a 2002 crank. They are unique. You want a 2003-2005 crank.
I'm actually in the process of seeing if an 06+ cam will improve my 04 engine.
if im understanding that you just want all the best parts then you want an 06/07 complete truck and swap a 03/05 12 weight crank into your block.
What about the built-in pcv valve system maintenance?
is boron nitride good for the engine?
Great video and info. Just started working on these motors a few months ago, your videos help a lot. Have a question for you. If I put an 05 motor into an 06, used fuel rail and injectors from 06, but getting a cam/crank position error, and running very rough. Do I need to re-learn the sensors? I actually did 2 trailblazers and they both have the same problem, so the common denominator is obviously me. Thanks, once I get going for a while, I'm going to try to turbo one. I have some experience with Mitsubishi turbos.
could be the difference in crankshafts (just a thought). he did say that the counter weights were reduced in 06 so maybe the ecm is reading off the 06 crankshaft stuff and not the 05. might need someone with a programmer or a machine that can delve deep into the values and see what parameters are messing up. i doubt the rpms are different but i believe the sensors are different. all else fails if the plugs and sensors are the same then swap them for the 06 and see if there is a change.
The camshaft reluctor is different and I don't think you can change just them
Thanks for showing the two cylinder heads side by side. Question for you, in 2007 GM increased the bore size for the I4 and I5 versions of the Atlas engine by increasing the cylinder liner size. Since the valve sizes increased on the I6 did they not increase the bore size as well?
Nope. Never did that on the 6 or it probably would have been a 4.4L
@@Calvin-Nelson That's what I thought. Even if you wanted to put the 3.7 or 2.9L liners in your 4.2 block you'd still be stuck without an off the shelf head gasket.
What do you think of the removable sleeves in the block? If you were to use an aftermarket ECU what would you use? Megasquirt perhaps?
They're not really removable.
I use Megasquirt 3 Goldbox.
@@Calvin-Nelson Replaceable i meant. I read somewhere that they're replaceable, but that of course is the internet. The block does have sleeves correct? I live in San Diego and I'm close to Darton Sleeves. Currently working on an 04 Trailblazer LS. This video was really good to see the difference in heads. Are you using the stock head studs or aftermarket like ARP? And head gasket? I've been looking towards Cometic or whoever makes a multi layer steel. Eventual goal is a remote mount twin turbo setup at the rear axle. I have two genuine Garrett GT3076r's that came off my 05 Audi Allroad project.
@@ProjectCarTV I'm sure that you could sleeve a block. Not really worth it in my opinion. The stock blocks will take some abuse from what I've read and experienced. All the stuff we've done is with the stock engine. Not even opened up. They come factory with MLS head gaskets.
@@Calvin-Nelson gracias!
@@Calvin-Nelson Thanks a lot! I'll have to do some sleeving no doubt though. I ordered a 4l60e from Monster Transmission that's good for 1000+. I saw the stock rods in your video and although they're pretty beefy I think I'll go with Pauter. I'm lucky to be where I'm at in San Diego, so many good companies in this city. Crower, Pauter, Carillo, Darton. Not to mention machine shops. I have a spare block that I'm going to be taking for machining soon. Using two 3076's automatically puts me well above 500hp. I may use a stock block for testing. I have a lot of work ahead. Still have to find a daily driver to take the Trailblazer off the road. One that I won't be tempted to f**k with. I can't even buy a used Hyundai Elantra because the 2.0L engines are shared with Mitsubishi and I'll be tempted once again lol. Thanks a lot. I've been following your channel but never commented.
So if I build one you take the early model crank and put it in the 06 and up engine can you use the 06 and up rods and pistons.
Yes
What would be a good build for an Atlas 4200? I am driving a 77 C10 with an inline 6. I want to keep it L6 but more modern. I have spent way more money than you can imagine hot rodding the stock 250 L6 and have yet to drive it. I have liked the 4200 because it's not an LS, it's not the normal thing you see. Do all part on the 4200 interchange? (Yes, valve covers won't) What part would you put together for a boosted application?
The 4200s share almost no similarity to the old school 6 cylinders, except for their decks height. Sounds like a great swap candidate.
This should help. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home
so what's the rod upgrades as knocking 4200 seems everywhere
Do u know if I can use the p12 on my 2008 engine? Is it plug and play? M trying to install my engine on a 61 Chevrolet but I’m basically transferring my body from the 61 over to my 08 trailblazer chassis. Is there a way to run the engine on that body without having to take out all the wiring from the trailblazer. I eventually want to run a turbo on it.
No. They have different reluctor wheels.
Can you use the 12 weight crankshaft work in a 06 motor? I have a 06 Trailblazer that I want to rehabilitate. Thanks for an interesting video.
Yes
What do you recommend I used to add a turbo to my 2008 engine.? Should I use the original wiring harness. Or use some sort of after market wiring harness? I’m sorry I’m not really technical with the terms. Sorry I forgot to mention it will not be used in the original trailblazer vehicle. I will be using it in a 61 Chevrolet c10 vehicle.
Personally, I like Microsquirt or Gold box. You just have to make a harness.
@@Calvin-Nelson hey thank you for your help, do you know what wires i will need foe the harness or a good reference website for this. Should i just look it up in you tube under building a standalone harness?
@@JesusGarcia-jr6ij Honestly the instruction manual is a great source for how to wire stuff. Also I made this for wiring a Microsquirt. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JFqupg_efMv0XPSWGeVn9cH4D6HLt_UuJSw4bZHmuyE/edit?usp=drivesdk
Can you just run the stock 02-05 ecu for a turbo set up and switch it to a 2 bar map sensor? My buddy and I twin turboed a 5.3 and were able to tune it with just a 2 bar map on it. Is this possible with the stock 1st gen ecu?
No. There is no way to add enrichment with boost.
Great channel. Regarding differences through the years, are the 2002-2005 blocks externally the same as 2006+ blocks? I have a 2002 that I plan to use for fitment test and motor mount fabrication. If I get it to fit, I plan to find a good 2006 to swap in.
Only difference dimensionally is the cam cover is a little shorter lengthwise and a bit taller on the later motors.
@@Calvin-Nelson Thanks man! I got the 2002 motor - reportedly bad - for $50. Going to attempt to fit it in 2nd gen camaro, so I know I have some work ahead of me.... along with doing a rear sump pan.
@@slackhannan1665 very cool.
Great info thanks. The only other thing I wanted to hear about was what the visual external differences were with the crank sensor change to 58 tooth and how to tell them apart when buying a used engine.
Also, is the same connecting rod used for 08 as was revised in 06?
I thought I talked about how 58tooth motors have a 3 wire crank sensor. All others are 2 wire. Same connecting rods as 06+. See the wiki for more.
@@Calvin-Nelson thanks I missed the 3 wire part. Didn't they move the crank sensor as well? I'm trying to get a crank kit for my 08 but because there was rod knock on a few I'm probably going to replace those rods.
@@PrintEngineering no. Cranks sensor is in the same spot and has the same dimensions I retrofit 3 wire sensors into 7 tooth motors for standalone ecus all the time.