I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing--and out of high speed compound bows. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I think this is due to ballistic gel not expanding when impacted which causes penetration to be based mostly on broadhead surface area. I would like to see how a field point compares to a Magnus Stinger, which should be much easier to push through an animal. I don't know the best medium to test, this is just my theory. Love the videos!
Yep. Ive been shooting the glue on meathead since they first arrived on the scene out of my recurve. Killer heads. Can't wait to get these 3 blades flying after the season out of my compound.
Great vid John that is an awesome broadhead - 3 cut holes are the hardest to close with coagulation of blood - vets use them to help drain things like abysses and wounds that need to be drained post op. Keep up the great work and well done to Wojo on a fine head yet again
I'm happy with a wound channel of an inch wide. I want and entry and an exit hole and this style gives me more chance of that. Good video as usual John.
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing--and out of high speed compound bows. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
Thanks Jonathan. The cutting diameter is a bit small for my liking on deer; I wish it had a bigger cut and a shorter overall profile. But it is an excellent head.
Thanks again John. I’m still looking for the right broadhead. I was shooting double bevels but was getting consistently poor blood trails. I watched your review of the TOTA XLs and love the blood letting they produce and the great flight. I also can shoot them through “Shoot Through” material from a ground blind very well. But they are impossible to sharpen and I won’t be able to keep using them as one and done broadheads. I don’t want to go back to single bevel two blade for the reasons stated, so I’m hoping the three blade TH Evolution will be the ticket. But then again, the small cut is a concern. I hunt small properties and they need to die fast and not run into peoples back yards.
Thanks Paul. They're fairly easy to sharpen with the sharpener they sell on their site. Without that, it can be challenging. Any one piece 3 blade head will sharpen by being laid flat on a stone--like the Slick Trick SS3, Montec, etc. Another option is to use something like the Exodus that is just as durable but has replaceable blades.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks John. The other deal is that I like a heavy head to increase FOC. My arrows now are set up for 200 gr. Broadheads. I might have to bite the bullet and make new arrows with heavier inserts but use 100-125 gr. broad heads as there are more choices available. But I like the heavy metal up front.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures The other thing I wanted to point out is that I have the sharpener from TOTA but it's a course grit, fine for getting the kinks out, but impossible to get sharp. They said they are coming out with a finer grit sharpener but, as I told them, they really need a minimum of 3 grits and preferably 4 or 5 grits including a strop, to get them appropriately sharp for shooting at animals.
Have 6 of these I never got the time to tune for this season. They are a definite green light for next year though. Combining some serious speed and weight should be a devastating head. First head I've tried since switching to slick tricks years ago after ditching my easton aluminum and thunderhead combo. HAHA. I have a hard time moving on from what works but these things called to me. I hope to not be let down.
Thank you for your wonderfully detailed videos. I am looking at getting a 175-200 grain 3-blade broadhead. Would you recommend the Tuffhead or VPA broadhead based on your experience in this category? John P. Iowa
Thank you for the encouragement. They are both really good. The Tuffhead in S7 is a really really durable head, and it flies very well, so I'd give it an edge. The hole is fairly small, but certainly sufficient with a well placed shot.
Could you add a testing for blood evacuation? Maybe ballistic gell with a fixed volume of blood analog (pre shot weighed), sitting over a bucket on scale and timer till empty (minus points for any blood left after timer runs out).
I used to do that. But thru repeated testing I concluded it is completely invalid; the tests on any given head got completely different drainage times, even when shot at the exact same point. I tried plastic bottles, zip lock bags, and even special ordered super thick zip locks. But the rotation of the head, whether the blade were vertical or horizontal upon impact, and whether the cut flaps folded in or out-all made huge variations in the testing. I even had a tiny 2 blade head drain in half the time of a huge cutting 4 blade. So I thru out the test.
9 Golden arrows! Nice. Everything seemed way above average except for the penetration test. More surface area and resistance because of the three blade design perhaps? (see, some of us pay attention :-)) Wet and Warm in Lafayette
Haha. Right on brother. Yep, the penetration, at least in those test mediums, was lacking and the cutting diameter was as well. Everything else was very good. With the Stay Sharp Guide 344, they would be super sharp as well.
Thanks Michael. Yes, I commented on that in this vid--you must have missed it. I sent the heads I tested back to Tuffhead and they tested the hardness and found them to be 48 instead of 55, Rockwell. There was an error made in the heat treatment. They are correcting that now. I hope to re-test them once they've fixed that.
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
Can someone help me know how to write this guy personally? I’m leaving for a black bear hunt in 2 weeks and need to know what arrow is a darn good one. Strong and straight
@@LuskArcheryAdventures John, yes you! Thanks so much for responding. I am leaving Saturday for my 10 day Michigan bear hunt and I’m worried about arrows. The axis type arrows are said to break off at the insert? I’ve shot 100 deer with axis arrows but what is a good strong arrow for bears please? Not to crazy expensive or heavy.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Sir it’s just another avenue for video media but it does not restrict your amendments of free speech or banning videos due to You Tubes Marxist hammer. Becoming more and more popular so I thought I would ask.
Well, there are some similarities for sure. But there are differences as well. Nowadays there are so many heads that have similarities, so I wouldn't call it a knockoff. I did just finish testing testing the Woodsman Elite 125 gr and that vid will be coming soon.
You said it has good penetration but it only penetrate a little over 5 inches when there’s other hedge penetrating 7 or 8 inches. Doesn’t seem that great on the penetrating end
Penetration is an interesting thing. With the mediums I'm using for penetration: MDF, Rubber Mat, Gel and Cardboard, there is a tendency for those materials to stick to the surface of a broadhead, thus impeding penetration. The longer a head is, the greater the surface area, and the poorer the penetration. But in animals, there is more fluid, which doesn't have that same surface friction impeding penetration. That's why i said it would penetrate well in an animal. HOWEVER, not all of an animal has that fluid--hide, bone, ligaments, can tend to stick to the heads in the same way. So I keep doing the tests I'm doing, as they're consistent/uniform...but I do try to make comments like this one to show that they're not always a perfect replication of an animal.
Another great unbiased video. You simply show the testing and the potential customer makes up their mind as to if this broadhead is for them. That being said, what a disappointing penetration result for this head. I've watched nearly all of your videos and would have guessed this head would have penetrated well to very well when in fact it is near the bottom of the list. Low penetration coupled with only a 1'' cut leaves me wondering what this head is best suited for.
Thank you. I just made a comment on that in another reply. I'll re post it here. I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
The toughness is exactly what I would expect from these guys, but I was surprised by the somewhat lack in penetration into the gel. Sub-6" seems a bit on the low side!
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing--and out of high speed compound bows. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures would timing how long a broadhead [ and shaft] takes to drop through a column of slime give a wind sheer value? Verses the cardboard and gel would it tell a different story?
Haha. Right? I've taken all of the furniture out of my basement, except for one desk I use for the vids :) I will have to start putting some mounts lower on the walls. It's a fun problem to have.
Gteat video! Why so poor penetration on gel and cardboard? Should have high FOC at 200 gr. And looks close to the 3 to 1 angle ratio. Other 3 blades with wider cuts and lighter weight have performed better.
I doubt he retunes his bow for 75 extra grains up front. The arrow probably isn't coming out of his bow straight. I'f he bare shafted this head on a stiffer spine shaft it would probably penetrate amazing.
It is very interesting. I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
Thanks Zac. I've wondered that as well, and have been careful to make sure the impacts of the shots are "straight" out of the bow. I've re-shot those that are not. I've also tested quite a few other heads at 200 grains, including the other Evolution 2 blade--and not had any problems whatsoever. But the comment I just made in the other reply right here has held true.
Didn't seem to penetrate far being that that is the point?
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing--and out of high speed compound bows. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I think this is due to ballistic gel not expanding when impacted which causes penetration to be based mostly on broadhead surface area. I would like to see how a field point compares to a Magnus Stinger, which should be much easier to push through an animal. I don't know the best medium to test, this is just my theory. Love the videos!
I’ve always been a tuffhead fan, I’m so glad they’re using the S7. Great video as always John, thank you.
Thanks Jason
Yep. Ive been shooting the glue on meathead since they first arrived on the scene out of my recurve. Killer heads. Can't wait to get these 3 blades flying after the season out of my compound.
Great vid John that is an awesome broadhead - 3 cut holes are the hardest to close with coagulation of blood - vets use them to help drain things like abysses and wounds that need to be drained post op.
Keep up the great work and well done to Wojo on a fine head yet again
Thank you brother!
That's impressive durability. Thanks John
Yes indeed.
Finally. This head has changed my approach to 3 blade heads and is at the tip of my arrows since I tested the prototype.
Good to hear that. What is it that you like the most about it?
@@LuskArcheryAdventures the ratio, the Scoops between the blades, the quality of the steel, true specs and great flight.
@@woodsmansfinest3814 how’s the blood trails with the 3 blade evolutions. I’m looking at switching to these this year
The heat treat with the single bevels makes sense to me now! 😅
Yep. Eager to see them when they fix those heads.
Another Great Test John.
Thank you Daniel.
Literally never buying anything but tuffhead ever again. tried and true, solid work.
Just curious, what kind of blood trails you get with them
Thanks for the comment.
I'm happy with a wound channel of an inch wide. I want and entry and an exit hole and this style gives me more chance of that. Good video as usual John.
Thank you!
For a 1" head I would've thought it would penetrate deeper, but that's crazy durable. Love it when its sticks into the cinder block.
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing--and out of high speed compound bows. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
Many thanks for that review. This head has everything the Eastern hunter wants. We just have to decide if it is worth upgrading from VPA.
Thanks Jonathan. The cutting diameter is a bit small for my liking on deer; I wish it had a bigger cut and a shorter overall profile. But it is an excellent head.
I want to see you get some piggies with that one , BACON 😄👍👍🇺🇸
Haha. That would be fun.
Nice head! Good test...
Thanks James.
Thanks again John.
I’m still looking for the right broadhead. I was shooting double bevels but was getting consistently poor blood trails.
I watched your review of the TOTA XLs and love the blood letting they produce and the great flight. I also can shoot them through “Shoot Through” material from a ground blind very well. But they are impossible to sharpen and I won’t be able to keep using them as one and done broadheads. I don’t want to go back to single bevel two blade for the reasons stated, so I’m hoping the three blade TH Evolution will be the ticket. But then again, the small cut is a concern.
I hunt small properties and they need to die fast and not run into peoples back yards.
Thanks Paul. They're fairly easy to sharpen with the sharpener they sell on their site. Without that, it can be challenging. Any one piece 3 blade head will sharpen by being laid flat on a stone--like the Slick Trick SS3, Montec, etc. Another option is to use something like the Exodus that is just as durable but has replaceable blades.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks John. The other deal is that I like a heavy head to increase FOC. My arrows now are set up for 200 gr. Broadheads. I might have to bite the bullet and make new arrows with heavier inserts but use 100-125 gr. broad heads as there are more choices available. But I like the heavy metal up front.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures The other thing I wanted to point out is that I have the sharpener from TOTA but it's a course grit, fine for getting the kinks out, but impossible to get sharp. They said they are coming out with a finer grit sharpener but, as I told them, they really need a minimum of 3 grits and preferably 4 or 5 grits including a strop, to get them appropriately sharp for shooting at animals.
@@paulcrave3112so humans have been sharpening broad heads for millennia but you can't manage it with modern tools?
@@jonathangarzon2798 That is correct.
Have 6 of these I never got the time to tune for this season. They are a definite green light for next year though. Combining some serious speed and weight should be a devastating head. First head I've tried since switching to slick tricks years ago after ditching my easton aluminum and thunderhead combo. HAHA. I have a hard time moving on from what works but these things called to me. I hope to not be let down.
Very good. These are solid heads...not a very big cutting diameter, but they are very durable.
Thank you for your wonderfully detailed videos. I am looking at getting a 175-200 grain 3-blade broadhead. Would you recommend the Tuffhead or VPA broadhead based on your experience in this category?
John P.
Iowa
Thank you for the encouragement. They are both really good. The Tuffhead in S7 is a really really durable head, and it flies very well, so I'd give it an edge. The hole is fairly small, but certainly sufficient with a well placed shot.
I bet that thing wind planes like crazy!!!
It flew excellently for me.
Could you add a testing for blood evacuation?
Maybe ballistic gell with a fixed volume of blood analog (pre shot weighed), sitting over a bucket on scale and timer till empty (minus points for any blood left after timer runs out).
I used to do that. But thru repeated testing I concluded it is completely invalid; the tests on any given head got completely different drainage times, even when shot at the exact same point. I tried plastic bottles, zip lock bags, and even special ordered super thick zip locks. But the rotation of the head, whether the blade were vertical or horizontal upon impact, and whether the cut flaps folded in or out-all made huge variations in the testing. I even had a tiny 2 blade head drain in half the time of a huge cutting 4 blade. So I thru out the test.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures oh okay well thanks for the info
9 Golden arrows! Nice. Everything seemed way above average except for the penetration test. More surface area and resistance because of the three blade design perhaps? (see, some of us pay attention :-)) Wet and Warm in Lafayette
Haha. Right on brother. Yep, the penetration, at least in those test mediums, was lacking and the cutting diameter was as well. Everything else was very good. With the Stay Sharp Guide 344, they would be super sharp as well.
Much better than the single bevel. Did the single bevel have heat treating problems and is that why the rolled on the concrete test?
Thanks Michael. Yes, I commented on that in this vid--you must have missed it. I sent the heads I tested back to Tuffhead and they tested the hardness and found them to be 48 instead of 55, Rockwell. There was an error made in the heat treatment. They are correcting that now. I hope to re-test them once they've fixed that.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes I did miss that part. Good to know they were made aware and found the problem.
Why do you suppose for being only 1 inch wide and a good swept back design it penetrated so poorly into the gel and cardboard? Great vid 👍🏻
3-blades had more surface area and therefore friction as a force of resistance
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
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@@LuskArcheryAdventures 👍🏻👍🏻
The shaft also performed very well on concrete. What's the specs of the shaft and insert?
Yep. They are amazing. Machined steel insert and aluminum shaft as a footer. Bishop FAD Eliminator Arrows.
Hi, what insert-outsert-sleeve you're using? Looks really nice!
I use Bishop Archery arrows and the `125 gr machined steel insert they come with, as well as the collars they have for both ends of the arrow.
That joker looks mean!
Right?
Did Wojo say whether he was going to replace the heads for his customers who got that batch?
I didn't ask him that, and he didn't mention it.
Any chance you could test these with two bows in each video say your compound and then a 60lb recurve
Thanks for the request...but unfortunately, I'm not set up to do that.
Would love to see sharpness test after resharpening
Tuffhead did this, check their channel. It turned out amazing.
I did just add a vid of the head being resharpened with the Stay Sharp 344, to the Description of this vid. Pls check it out.
Here's the RUclips link, if you don't want to go through the Facebook redirect: ruclips.net/video/vQDZgwNrGH8/видео.html
Can someone help me know how to write this guy personally? I’m leaving for a black bear hunt in 2 weeks and need to know what arrow is a darn good one. Strong and straight
Thanks for the comment. Are you talking about me, John Lusk, or the maker of this broadhead?
@@LuskArcheryAdventures John, yes you! Thanks so much for responding. I am leaving Saturday for my 10 day Michigan bear hunt and I’m worried about arrows. The axis type arrows are said to break off at the insert? I’ve shot 100 deer with axis arrows but what is a good strong arrow for bears please? Not to crazy expensive or heavy.
Wow!
Thanks for watching
I like what I see
Yep. Great heads.
Are you considering ever uploading on the Rumble world?
I'm not really familiar with that, Scott. I'll look into it.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Sir it’s just another avenue for video media but it does not restrict your amendments of free speech or banning videos due to You Tubes Marxist hammer. Becoming more and more popular so I thought I would ask.
Is this a direct knockoff of the Woodsman Elite?
Well, there are some similarities for sure. But there are differences as well. Nowadays there are so many heads that have similarities, so I wouldn't call it a knockoff. I did just finish testing testing the Woodsman Elite 125 gr and that vid will be coming soon.
I like that that one also my be going into my quiver
Very good.
Would you take these over the cutthroat 3 blades?
They're both good, but I prefer the Cutthroat.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures cause it is shorter?
Awesome! I'll bet that will pass through a deer No Problem ... 😎🏹🦌
Yep. Agreed.
You said it has good penetration but it only penetrate a little over 5 inches when there’s other hedge penetrating 7 or 8 inches. Doesn’t seem that great on the penetrating end
Penetration is an interesting thing. With the mediums I'm using for penetration: MDF, Rubber Mat, Gel and Cardboard, there is a tendency for those materials to stick to the surface of a broadhead, thus impeding penetration. The longer a head is, the greater the surface area, and the poorer the penetration. But in animals, there is more fluid, which doesn't have that same surface friction impeding penetration. That's why i said it would penetrate well in an animal. HOWEVER, not all of an animal has that fluid--hide, bone, ligaments, can tend to stick to the heads in the same way. So I keep doing the tests I'm doing, as they're consistent/uniform...but I do try to make comments like this one to show that they're not always a perfect replication of an animal.
Another great unbiased video. You simply show the testing and the potential customer makes up their mind as to if this broadhead is for them. That being said, what a disappointing penetration result for this head. I've watched nearly all of your videos and would have guessed this head would have penetrated well to very well when in fact it is near the bottom of the list. Low penetration coupled with only a 1'' cut leaves me wondering what this head is best suited for.
Thank you. I just made a comment on that in another reply. I'll re post it here. I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
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The toughness is exactly what I would expect from these guys, but I was surprised by the somewhat lack in penetration into the gel. Sub-6" seems a bit on the low side!
I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing--and out of high speed compound bows. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures would timing how long a broadhead [ and shaft] takes to drop through a column of slime give a wind sheer value? Verses the cardboard and gel would it tell a different story?
The under hardness single blade incident calls TuffHead’s quality control processes into question...
Well, with new ownership and a new steel and new design, I'm sure there will be a learning curve, so I'm sure they will get it figured out.
YOUR RUNNING OUT OF ROOM!
TIME TO BUILD A NEW GAME FOR THE REST OF THE CRITTERS YOUR GONNA LET THE AIR OUT OF! 😃
Haha. Right? I've taken all of the furniture out of my basement, except for one desk I use for the vids :) I will have to start putting some mounts lower on the walls. It's a fun problem to have.
Gteat video! Why so poor penetration on gel and cardboard? Should have high FOC at 200 gr. And looks close to the 3 to 1 angle ratio. Other 3 blades with wider cuts and lighter weight have performed better.
I doubt he retunes his bow for 75 extra grains up front. The arrow probably isn't coming out of his bow straight. I'f he bare shafted this head on a stiffer spine shaft it would probably penetrate amazing.
It is very interesting. I've found that longer heads typically do not penetrate as well as shorter ones--at least in the mediums I'm using for testing. It's the opposite of what you would expect with the 3:1 mechanical advantage theory. The extra surface area impedes the penetration, as the head seems to "stick" to the mediums more. On an animal I would expect that to be a bit different--but then again, this is quite consistently the case in all the tests I've done.
Thanks Zac. I've wondered that as well, and have been careful to make sure the impacts of the shots are "straight" out of the bow. I've re-shot those that are not. I've also tested quite a few other heads at 200 grains, including the other Evolution 2 blade--and not had any problems whatsoever. But the comment I just made in the other reply right here has held true.
🥤🥱🍿Hope all is well 👊
Thank you