Thank you Michael for being the only RUclips golfer who demos and compares the Rogue Max ST to other drivers instead of the triple💎 & LS. They’re not looking at the average golfer like you and one other RUclipsr do. Would be great 😊 If you could do head to head comparisons between the 2021 Epic drivers & the new Rogues, that would be awesome. I tried the Rogue LS against my Epic LS & Epic beat it. I also bought the Rogue Max because it out performed the Epic Max by leaps and bounds. The Epic Max LS is only 3-5 yds longer than the Rogue Max but the Max is a better fairway finder. Both shafts are XS, with a green dot optifit set to 8.5* & avg carry is 260-270. I’m a 66yo golfer with a 7hdcp & 105-108 SS. I find the sweet spot in both frequently & love them both. Again, thank you for your awesome content.
I just got a LTDx LS and love it. I disagree when you say feel is harsh on Cobra. I understand everybody is different but to me it's one of the best feelings drivers out there and it's super forgiving. One thing I noticed with other reviewers is that most can't hit the sweet spot but the ball still flies a mile and beats their competition.
I picked up the Speedzone driver last year and love it, but it does have a harder sound at impact than a few other high end drivers. Ball rockets off the face though
I love the bottom of the rogue it looks incredible. I wish they kept the gloss crown it would be one of the best looking drivers ever. Callaway woods this year look unreal
It's funny comparing the looks of these 2 drivers - 1:34 in video. To me they look almost identical, except the Cobra has 2 tiny raised "fins." And who cares what this side or bottom looks like - you never see that anyway. But both great drivers regardless. ⛳ ⛳ 🏌♀ 🏌♂
Went for a fitting intending to buy the Rogue - was v nice but was spinning a little high- same with the LS version- fitter persuaded me to try the cobra LS and I got great numbers- don’t think there’s much if anything between them - the cobra just suited my delivery better - ordered and due in mid March
Went for my fitting last week wanting the cobra but soon changed my mind after hitting the rogue max d. Didn't get the numbers from any of the cobra models and i actually preferred the look and sound from the cally st. Paired the rogue max d with the tensei mmt 60 stiff shaft
Nice! I found the opposite was true! I’m usually in an LS head but the LTDx paired with my Ventus black gave me perfect numbers. I didnt get on with the feel the Rogue. Goes to show you how important fitting is.
Awesome head to head! Definitely waiting for you to drop the LTDx versus Mizuno 220 ST-Z ! This is the battle of the best bang for the buck ultra forgiving drivers of 2022 ! Going to be fun putting them both up against my 2016 M2 which has been ultra forgiving!
I’ve got a used Tour Edge C271 driver I bought for $205 on the way to my house. I checked your review of the C721 and saw you get 291 carry and 319 total yards with a smash factor of 1.46. Those numbers crushed those you got with these two new drivers. I’m thinking I made a good purchase!
I do prefer the sound of the Rogue but I like the stiff face feel on a driver. Although I like the look and sound of the Rogue I went with the Cobra because of the performance for me. Also a little lower price was a bonus.
Value wise, the Cobra Speedzone was for me. Bought it direct from Cobra last year. Only $299 and it's pretty equal to me in perfomance as the Sim2 and Epic which were $499. I do agree that there is a harder sound coming off the Infinity face vs the Sim2 and Epic
Tried both well tried the lot to be honest but went with the callaway rogue st draw just because of dispersion was miles better but the sound and feel of the cobra wasn't for me great video
Both drivers are clearly excellent, but it would be interesting to see a comparison with shorter than standard shaft lengths, (45” for example) as I think this would probably show no loss of distance and even better control. Callaway have offered this option in the past and for the average golfer, I think that 47.75” in the Callaway is arguably too long and of no real benefit.
Cobra driver's are far better than anything in the market. Their innovation surpasses any other company. The face of the cobra ltdx has 15 different thicknesses of metal so off center hits still go straight and far try that with the Callaway bye bye ball. I will say I was disappointed in the looks the speedzone and radspeed even the f9 speedback we're great looking clubs the best looking in the market. The ltdx leaves a lot to be desired in the way of looks
I think the ltdx in the same 9.5 head, rather than being turned down would win out in this comparison. Nice to see some forgiving heads that are low spin on the market
@@MichaelNewtonGolf you were more centered with the rogue with higher smash factors while the Cobra hits were more on the side axis with lower smash factors. Granted you didn't show them all so it could have just been the ones shown. Personally I look for the difference on smash factors below 145 as I find that more indicative of the 10+ handicap golfer.
Hi, On my SIM 2 max driver,I tend to hit it slightly right by about 5-7yards off line.i have it set at 10.5,what would I have to do to the slave to bring it more to the left?
Is the actual loft of the head 10.5? If so then move the neck sleeve to the upright position which keeps it at 10.5 but makes the lie more upright. Helps to reduce the right shot
@@MichaelNewtonGolf yes I brought it as a 10.5 as I'm 26 handicap but didn't get fitted unfortunately,it's a great driver but leaks out to the right not a slice.i will try your surgestion. Thank you Michael
So just adjusted it,arrow lined up with upright lie. Been a supscriber to your channel for couple of years now.i know you did a video about the SIM2 max sleave adjustment but can't find it. Keep up the good work 👍
Both drivers are great Michael...But I do believe the Cobra out played the Callaway...Can't go wrong with Cobra Woods....Irons well that's another story....Game the Hogan PTx Pro & the Wilson Staff FG v6 irons...both work well, but Now I think that the Mizuno 225 are the ones for me to replace the two players irons for more help and distance....Love your reviews...Put a lot of stock in what you have to say, and I Thank You.......
I have never liked a single callaway club... they always look horrible feel like hitting a brick... and head to head robotic testing nothing beats g410/g425 in overall data...I want the best head there is and then I'll fit it to me with shaft choice
I went for a fitting yesterday expecting to walk out with the Rogue ST, but the stats just weren’t there for me. The fitter then put me in the LTDx with the Tensei White 65 shaft and there was a significant jump in performance. Consistently around 2200 spin with 160mph ball speed so exactly where I want them. I’m “trading up” from my current driver, the F9, so definitely an element of familiarity too. It’s not the nicest looking sole of a driver, but looks superb sitting behind the ball. I was also able to walk out of the pro shop with it on the day, so can’t wait to try it on the course soon.
Agree, I tested the stealth, Rogue, Ping and all performed similarly with a good fitter that found the correct shaft and head combos to maximize their performance.
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Thank you Michael for being the only RUclips golfer who demos and compares the Rogue Max ST to other drivers instead of the triple💎 & LS. They’re not looking at the average golfer like you and one other RUclipsr do.
Would be great 😊 If you could do head to head comparisons between the 2021 Epic drivers & the new Rogues, that would be awesome.
I tried the Rogue LS against my Epic LS & Epic beat it.
I also bought the Rogue Max because it out performed the Epic Max by leaps and bounds.
The Epic Max LS is only 3-5 yds longer than the Rogue Max but the Max is a better fairway finder. Both shafts are XS, with a green dot optifit set to 8.5* & avg carry is 260-270.
I’m a 66yo golfer with a 7hdcp & 105-108 SS. I find the sweet spot in both frequently & love them both.
Again, thank you for your awesome content.
I just got a LTDx LS and love it. I disagree when you say feel is harsh on Cobra. I understand everybody is different but to me it's one of the best feelings drivers out there and it's super forgiving. One thing I noticed with other reviewers is that most can't hit the sweet spot but the ball still flies a mile and beats their competition.
I picked up the Speedzone driver last year and love it, but it does have a harder sound at impact than a few other high end drivers. Ball rockets off the face though
I love the bottom of the rogue it looks incredible. I wish they kept the gloss crown it would be one of the best looking drivers ever. Callaway woods this year look unreal
cobra is the best driver this year by a long shot! I was stunned! All great drivers but cobra super forgiving and flies for ever
It's funny comparing the looks of these 2 drivers - 1:34 in video. To me they look almost identical, except the Cobra has 2 tiny raised "fins." And who cares what this side or bottom looks like - you never see that anyway. But both great drivers regardless. ⛳ ⛳ 🏌♀ 🏌♂
Like to crown of the Cobra and the sole of the Callaway.... Personally, I'm looking forward to trying the Mizuno STZ 220 driver!!
Went for a fitting intending to buy the Rogue - was v nice but was spinning a little high- same with the LS version- fitter persuaded me to try the cobra LS and I got great numbers- don’t think there’s much if anything between them - the cobra just suited my delivery better - ordered and due in mid March
Went for my fitting last week wanting the cobra but soon changed my mind after hitting the rogue max d. Didn't get the numbers from any of the cobra models and i actually preferred the look and sound from the cally st. Paired the rogue max d with the tensei mmt 60 stiff shaft
Nice! I found the opposite was true! I’m usually in an LS head but the LTDx paired with my Ventus black gave me perfect numbers. I didnt get on with the feel the Rogue. Goes to show you how important fitting is.
Awesome head to head! Definitely waiting for you to drop the LTDx versus Mizuno 220 ST-Z !
This is the battle of the best bang for the buck ultra forgiving drivers of 2022 !
Going to be fun putting them both up against my 2016 M2 which has been ultra forgiving!
that video coming next at some point hopefully 👍
I’d include the new Tour Edge driver.
With adjustability and 100s of shaft options you can get any modern driver to work. Buying untested though will add time to getting it dialed.
Cobra wins on sound. I like the Blue gloss version much better than the matte black though.
The Rogue to me felt really harsh and firm to me. Cobra had perfect feel and sound for me. LTDx is my pick.
Like the red accented Cobra version over the orange but very interested in both brands also Mizuno
I would like to try them both, but I think I would pick the wrong purely on looks, looks like a great year to buy a driver.
good test Mike thanks!
Solid review and numbers are so very close. Nice job Michael.
Michael thank you for comparing like to like. I am sick of people comparing the Rogue Max to the Stealth low spin version rather than the Rogue LS
What did the dispersion look like ?
Dispersion numbers? ...or did I miss it?
Had a fitting this past Tuesday hit the Cobra, Stealth and the Rogue was hands down the winner.
The Rogue looks classier👍👍
What driver is going in your bag 2022 Mike ??
not sure.....tough one!
Great content. Just ordered my Rogue ST Max.
I’ve got a used Tour Edge C271 driver I bought for $205 on the way to my house. I checked your review of the C721 and saw you get 291 carry and 319 total yards with a smash factor of 1.46. Those numbers crushed those you got with these two new drivers. I’m thinking I made a good purchase!
Just bought Rogue st max ls.
I think it would be the Cobra for me.
What do you think about the Taylormade Stealth not the plus
good driver, I personally like the looks and the feel.......the extra ball speed that TM are claiming.......not convinced
seems to be nice and forgiving tho.
I just tried these two drivers and finally went with the Callaway Rogue ST max.
I do prefer the sound of the Rogue but I like the stiff face feel on a driver. Although I like the look and sound of the Rogue I went with the Cobra because of the performance for me. Also a little lower price was a bonus.
Dispersion chart Michael? I thought that was what you were testing!? lol.
Value wise, the Cobra Speedzone was for me. Bought it direct from Cobra last year. Only $299 and it's pretty equal to me in perfomance as the Sim2 and Epic which were $499. I do agree that there is a harder sound coming off the Infinity face vs the Sim2 and Epic
Tried both well tried the lot to be honest but went with the callaway rogue st draw just because of dispersion was miles better but the sound and feel of the cobra wasn't for me great video
Both drivers are clearly excellent, but it would be interesting to see a comparison with shorter than standard shaft lengths, (45” for example) as I think this would probably show no loss of distance and even better control. Callaway have offered this option in the past and for the average golfer, I think that 47.75” in the Callaway is arguably too long and of no real benefit.
The Callaway is not 47.75
Hi Michael can you make a recommendation for a forgiving 7 wood please?
The spin of the Rogue is scary low. Anyone with a slower swing speed would need to think twice about using it.
I got fitted with the the Rogue with a 85 mph average swing and my spin was mid to upper 2000s.
Cobra driver's are far better than anything in the market. Their innovation surpasses any other company. The face of the cobra ltdx has 15 different thicknesses of metal so off center hits still go straight and far try that with the Callaway bye bye ball. I will say I was disappointed in the looks the speedzone and radspeed even the f9 speedback we're great looking clubs the best looking in the market. The ltdx leaves a lot to be desired in the way of looks
I think the ltdx in the same 9.5 head, rather than being turned down would win out in this comparison. Nice to see some forgiving heads that are low spin on the market
When you tested Srixon zx5 and zx7 you were +300 yards. Are they really that much longer than Ltdx and Rogue?
Looks sound and innovation goes to the Cobra IMO .
I could tell going in you were gonna choose the rogue. The cobra performed arguably better and u still chose the rogue.
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in which department did the cobra perform so much better??
@@MichaelNewtonGolf you were more centered with the rogue with higher smash factors while the Cobra hits were more on the side axis with lower smash factors. Granted you didn't show them all so it could have just been the ones shown. Personally I look for the difference on smash factors below 145 as I find that more indicative of the 10+ handicap golfer.
Need a fitting but callaway favourite👍
Just based on the data, LTDx is my pick. My average swing speed with Rogue’s very low back spin ( under 2000 rpm) is not optimal to me.
Hi,
On my SIM 2 max driver,I tend to hit it slightly right by about 5-7yards off line.i have it set at 10.5,what would I have to do to the slave to bring it more to the left?
Is the actual loft of the head 10.5? If so then move the neck sleeve to the upright position which keeps it at 10.5 but makes the lie more upright. Helps to reduce the right shot
@@MichaelNewtonGolf yes I brought it as a 10.5 as I'm 26 handicap but didn't get fitted unfortunately,it's a great driver but leaks out to the right not a slice.i will try your surgestion.
Thank you Michael
So just adjusted it,arrow lined up with upright lie.
Been a supscriber to your channel for couple of years now.i know you did a video about the SIM2 max sleave adjustment but can't find it.
Keep up the good work 👍
I think that the LS version of the Corba, and the Rogue Triple Diamond LS are the ones that I like the most.
You are not good enough for those though
@@ben1ben2ben1 And you know this because?...
@@christianvachon2235 Its obvious. You are like a 16 handicap
Great review! I like the look of the Callaway personally. And I wish I was as consistent as a robot 🤖 haha 😂
Both drivers are great Michael...But I do believe the Cobra out played the Callaway...Can't go wrong with Cobra Woods....Irons well that's another story....Game the Hogan PTx Pro & the Wilson Staff FG v6 irons...both work well, but Now I think that the Mizuno 225 are the ones for me to replace the two players irons for more help and distance....Love your reviews...Put a lot of stock in what you have to say, and I Thank You.......
thanks!
Rogue looks nicer although both are nice and the cobra seems to be the slightly better driver. Basically what I’m saying is … both are good lol
Callaway 👍👍
The rogue looks deeper club face, from your strikes need to tee it differently
Callaway this time 👌🏻
Nothing this year makes me want to take the TSI3 out the bag. Compared them all and the TSi is so much better for me
But you showed the numbers backward.. you hit the rogue first..those are on top. The cobra had lower spin
the numbers are correct. Hit rogue first which is why they are display at the bottom 👍
I switched my rogue for the ltd. Cobra is just better all around on this one.
I am not quite sure why people are so high on Callaway drivers. Every year I watch testing and Callaway is out performed by every other club maker.
Bloody hell mate, what's wrong with the gen 4 pxg? You hit that just as good if not better, but no talk on that 🤔
This review is comparing the Cobra and the Callaway. Of course he isn't going to talk about the PXG.
@@jameskelly5407 this bloke wants to be a smartass lol?
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I have never liked a single callaway club... they always look horrible feel like hitting a brick... and head to head robotic testing nothing beats g410/g425 in overall data...I want the best head there is and then I'll fit it to me with shaft choice
bet callawy is easy to hit
The most important thing that is not mentioned is dispersion.
So basically this comparison is bordering on useless 🙁
I went for a fitting yesterday expecting to walk out with the Rogue ST, but the stats just weren’t there for me.
The fitter then put me in the LTDx with the Tensei White 65 shaft and there was a significant jump in performance. Consistently around 2200 spin with 160mph ball speed so exactly where I want them. I’m “trading up” from my current driver, the F9, so definitely an element of familiarity too. It’s not the nicest looking sole of a driver, but looks superb sitting behind the ball. I was also able to walk out of the pro shop with it on the day, so can’t wait to try it on the course soon.
And I really wanted that ST-G…now what the F do I do!
Cobra
Rogue all day long
Which brand does Bryson play? I'll take the other. (yes, Im that shallow and Bryson is that irritating)
Cobra...
Callawayand taylormade always over do it on spin... you can't take 1800 on the course... ping or cobra all day
I’ll stick with my F9
Or Is it f9s
@@bigjohny8446 Rick Shiels did a video on that. Turns out the original F9 is actually way better.
@@bigjohny8446 😂
They all go the same
Agree, I tested the stealth, Rogue, Ping and all performed similarly with a good fitter that found the correct shaft and head combos to maximize their performance.
Are either of these clubs manufactured in the United States or the UK or in communist China by slaves so that corporate owners can line their pockets?
China for Callaway, not sure about Cobra but probs the same...for now.
Cobra
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