Wow you can really hear the difference in the higher range and mids. But then you have the Blue Train vinyl cover on the wall, that automatically improves sound by at least 30% :) :)
A few of us don't like Trane's sound. Bearing in mind the age of the recordings I am sure it would sound better now - and I don't mean remastering. CDs are not great sounding either tbh.
1: bare walls sounds like you're playing in a bathroom. 2: walls with foam sounds like a bathroom with foam walls (just a guess, never seen a bathroom with foam walls). 3: Wooden panels sounds like a professional studio where legendary albums have been recorded ;) Incredible sound!
You can hear the difference. Your sound is just your sound . That’s amazing. I hated practicing in a room with foam . My sound was dead and I could not get a proper idea of what I sounded like.
Great timing for me watching this as I am in the process of building my own 8 square mtr music room and my research hasn't given me a definitive answer til now. Thanks. .
Better Sax Thanks Jm I already aquired your "how to play by ear" 5 note pentatonic scale two weeks ago.. I'm getting pretty good with the 5 notes but unfortunately that's where my practicing has been put on hold intermittently because of juggling work comittments and now building music room off my garage.. But I promise I will get to it when my private practice room is good and ready and from then I will sign up for more online lessons that's available from BSAX. .
Everyone explains everything except when it comes to cost. You said they gave you a small discount, and in return you gave them an exceptional plug. Show them this video and maybe they’ll give you another discount. You said you paid for it yourself so, but stop short of saying. It cost ex-amount of dollars. I have purchased products in the past from your other tutorials, and you gave us the pricing. While we all probably can’t afford the number of panels it will take to cover our practice room; plus shipping you wouldn’t deter us if you mentioned what you paid. Thanks for the tips and demonstration. Was that thee “Stan Getz “ commenting? You’re a great guy and your efforts should be rewarded. I will now search on line for the panels and hope I can make a purchase. Keep up the great work you do, you’re much appreciated.....I also bought the just joes neck strap for my Christmas gift👍🏽🎵🎶🎵🎷.✌🏽I’m guessing $200/ panel before I go look them up. Thanks🎷
Sorry for not including the price. Since I made the purchase for the 2 studios at the same time it was quite expensive. Shipping is included for orders over $1K. They have many options for panels, but I got the most expensive ones. Someone else could get very similar results and spend quite a bit less. For both rooms I paid just over 3K euros and they gave me 15% off after the video was made. There are 13 different panels in the small practice room and they are different sizes and prices. I think with a budget of 1K - 1.5K anyone can get a small room done very nicely. Of course there are DIY options that cost much, much less.
subbed! this is the FIRST and best video that really brings home the difference that (what? $500-$1000 investment?) gave the room for warmth, clarity, and feel.
Wow!! Good for you!!! Nothing feels better than the satisfaction of money well spent!!! I guess listening to a stereo would also be very improved by those panels. Fantastic!!!
They mainly sell these for studio control rooms, live recording rooms, mixing rooms and audiophile listening rooms. In a normal sized room, the panels will make listening to music on hi-fi speakers a sublime treat.
HALLO DEAR! FROM BULGARIA! A PLAY TENOR SAX TOO.AT FURST IVE HAD LEARNED PIANO AND FLUTE.THIS HELP ME TO RESIVE GOOD TECHNIC AND HAVE GOOD HUERING-ABSOLUT! WHEN I WAS 33 YEARS BAYED MY FIRST SAXOPHONE.B@S FROM GERMAN. THISHORN IS NOT SO BED. TO MY OPINIAN TO HAVE GOOD SOUND IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE LARGE CULTURA, GOOD SPEACING, MAIND AND SOWL! WHENEVER I CUDNT MAKE DIFFERENTS BETWIN CHIIPER SAX AND EXPENSIV ONE. IS NOT SOO LONG DIFFERENTS IN THE HANDS OF MASTER. THANK FOR YOUR LESSONS! BUT GOOD SAXOPHONE IS MY DREAM! MY MAIN PROFESION IS ARCHITECT, BUT SOMETIMES I PLAY ON INTELEGENT PARTY.NOT VERY OFFEN,BUT LEARN AND IMPRUVE MY POSSIBILITY EVERY DAY! THANKS AGAIN FOR KNOLIGE!
You asked if you could have them for free in exchange for this awesome video, they said no, you spend a ton of money, make this video, and then they embed this video on their website? mmmm thats cool.
Another great video Jay. A remarkable difference in room acoustics with the panels vs. the foam. I have the foam in my studio. I will check out the glk panels. BTW, I hung my foam with 3M adhesive strips so it shouldn't mess up the walls when i take them down........I hope.
Take the foam you pulled off the wall, cut them up into similar sized segments like the acoustic panels. Mount those pieces on thin wood frames to enable them to be transported and hung up just like your acoustic panels.
Foam is a much more inferior material for absorption! That's why 99% of music studios (big and small) these days use acoustic fiberglass/rockwool for absorption. Gone are the day's 60's/70's when most didn't understand room acoustics. And would just hang foam, egg cartons or a spare rug on the wall and call it a day! Gon
I used "T" hobby pins to mount foam panels. For the price, a handful is a good way to reduce reflections and some absorption. Beyond that, yes, it takes much more thought and planning.
Heh I was wondering what those panels were when I saw them in the other videos. Those would be great for apartments because space is at a premium and they still look great, not everyone wants their one bedroom apt to be covered in foam. Heavy drapes help too (had to do it for music listening.) those are damn good looking panels.
Well done ! And those panels are beautiful ! :) In your videos we don't imagine that your room is so tiny haha. I have a very bad room for practising, small appartment and I play in my main room (TV + sofa + desk + kitchen) all in an open space in a kind of "Z" shape room (the one in Tetris game lol) ... And there is a lot of anoying sound/reverb when I play ! So I'll keep this video for when I'll have money for that kind of panel. I was wondering of buying foam but it will ruins the look of my room ;)
It's all about finding the right angle to create the illusion of a larger room. There are DIY options if you search YT. They probably won't look as nice though...
You don’t realize how bad the phone sounds until you do a comparison without it and with the, I would almost rather not have the foam at all., but the panels sound great and look good to. Like you sed, I think they would be good for someone that has a spare room and make in to a jam room.
There’s one spot I busk at where I sound better. There’s a kind of roundish shade near by and it sounds so different compared to standing a few meters away in the same street. 🎷
Clearly the acoustic panels provide a "truer" sound! Do you think using your Jazzlab Deflector will give you additional sound coming back at you to give you a better perspective as to what is actually coming out of your horn? Awesome addition to your room! Thank you for sharing!
Honestly, now that I have these up I don't think I'll use the deflector in there much since the room is so small anyway. On the recording you can't hear it as much, but the sound coming back to my ears when I'm playing now is a real pleasure...
James, they also make free standing panels that can be moved around a room and not attached to any walls. I found that these were very effective even when they weren't on all of the walls.
Huge difference. Found it ironic that the audio coming from the GIK rep's office is untreated and sounds terrible. Got to represent your product/walk your talk! ;^)
Very impressive result. This video encourages me to raise a topic that I've often wondered about. I've spent donkeys years doing my practice facing either a wall or mirror. The issue is that whenever I'm away from such a reflective surface ie; rehearsals, gigs etc' I find it tricky to assess my true sound as I've become too dependant on receiving this direct sound coming back at me. I have one of those clip on sound reflectors but I find that they only offer the same effect as a wall when you play bell tones. So do you consider practice while facing a wall a good or a bad thing?
Good question... I don't consider it good or bad but something to do only sometimes. Most of the time I practice with earplugs in to protect my hearing. This helps me to play with a more full sound as I'm not holding back due to volume. I have to say that with the new panels, even with the earplugs in, the sound is much improved. I can still hear all the detail that wasn't there before, only quieter. When I play gigs, I almost always use the sound reflector thing even when I have a monitor.
@@bettersax Thanks so much for the reply. Those panels do definitely lift the sound as you say. I live in the UK on a canal boat with a wood-cladded interior so I'm probably getting a similar effect by default. I'm gna try the earplug suggestion ( I'v already ordered some on-line). Thanks again. Great channel btw....we never stop learning :)
Love the video and the thumbs up on the acoustic treatment but what size are those panels in your practice room? I can’t tell if it’s square or they are longer. Can you put the dimensions up please? Hard to get perspective on the room that you’re currently in although I know you said it’s small and you can extend your arms out and touch both walls!
Hi, me again... ;) Another interresting Video - but You've not improved the Sax-Sound, You improved the room accoustic. But the improvement is dramatic anyway. I sometimes take my Sax out to practice somewhere in the forrest, (already had kind of a duet with a bird there, probably a blackbird) I really love that no-echoe-acoustic there. (maybe I should take my Sax on a hike to the alpes! An echoe with delay-times to find in the alpes might be very interresting...) As I began practice in my house, I had to find a space to practice. Fortunately I have very good windows in my house (3 layered vacum isolation glass, that isolates temperature and noise very good) so disturbing the neighbors is not affect as long as I do not practice 3AM or so. I choosed playing to my boock's corner (several "Billy" Bookshelfs) there I've found the fewest echoes or frequency disturbings. And when I lift my view from the music stand, I see bookspines of Jules Verne, History Boocks about Egypt, the british Empire (Tudors) and the vikings over Astronomical DeepSky boocks, Potter, Lord of the Rings up to Stephen King or Dean Koontz - and I have many, many inspirations in my mind. I hope, I can once translate this journey to my music. P.s. Avoid seeing bookshelfs of cook - or recipebooks (3 trays are full of it) while playing. It can cause a spittiy sound! Really! (I've tested that!!)
Thank God, you got rid of that ugly stuff. I was worried as hell about a fire there for you. That did not look safe at all. See Iroquis theatre fire, also Cocoanut Grove (1st n 2nd deadliest fires in US, 602 and 490 dead, Chicago fire was 300 dead total) and more recently, The Station (2003, 100 dead). Video is right on RUclips. Get the longer video. It looks like any other dive for 6 minutes before the fire. That's what packing foam gets you. A very, very toxic and unbelievably fast fire. One breath and you'll be dead. Fires can outrun YOU. Driving, even. Just sayin'. Let. It. Burn. if it ever comes down to it. I know TWO people that ALMOST got hurt or dead planning to fight a fire in their house/studio. Should mention, you want it CERTIFIED at least fire resistant. This is not cheap. Tough.
Thanks for this and all of the other video tips, what an amazing difference in sound. I am a part-time player mainly at church but am enjoying practicing more and more. I don't have a studio but generally practice in my bedroom but have been told that a better sound would be to practice in my closet due to the clothes helping absorb the sound. It's about the size of your studio and same shape. Is that better than an open bedroom with vaulted ceilings?
Hi, thanks for sharing this video. Where the bass straps on the ceiling also in the new plan, or did you have them already. and why on one side 10 centimeters panels and on the other side 5 centimeters, was part of the plan or a budget reason?
The bass traps on the ceiling were part of the plan. Before I had foam up there too. I put the thinner panels on one side just to save space since it's so small. I have 1.20 meters across so 15 centimeters is already more than 10% of my space.The foam was 4cm thick so I only lost a total of 7 cm.
How are these panels at sound proofing the room so that the amount of sound heard outside the room is minimal? My primary issue is that my wife is sensitive to noise of any kind, and I mostly practice when she's out of the house. I would love to be able to practice freely at any time without annoying her. I do have a thick, rubber sound-absorbing treatment installed under the sheetrock, foam on the walls, and a thick Styrofoam-like sound absorbing material on the ceiling, but it's not enough to maintain marital peace....
Yes big improvement. Very aesthetic too. Good investment. Can't imagine they could be made cheaply - look quality materials. Nice try on the free plug, if you don't ask you don't get. Unlucky this time. LoL. They must be well pleased.
Hi there, I'm just wondering, do you ever do remote recordings in that room for artists albums? If so, isn't the only "loophole" that you have still a bit of room characteristic (even how nice it is) on your signal that you can't remove?
Good question. Normally when I record I mic much closer so as not to pick up a lot of the room. When you have a nice sounding room like in a proper studio they will often use a room mic and mix a small amount of that in to give some natural ambiance to the sound. In a room like mine the recordings are going to be much better since there will be fewer eq adjustments necessary to achieve a natural sound. The sound is much more natural now and that's what we want when recording. I haven't yet experimented and compared to previous recordings with this yet though.
The acoustic panels really made such a big improvement in the overall tonal quality of the sax sound. The egg carton foam gives a dead and bland sound. Its like playing the sax under a big tree out in the park. The bare walls projects a rather too shiny or glaring sound. You can be taken aback when blowing the high notes a bit hard. KEEP THE PANELS there. Don't ever remove them!!!
Playing under a big tree would actually sound much better than the egg carton foam! The curve of the tree would mimic a curved cylindrical diffuser. And the numerous tree branches with leaves (only if low enough) would absorb some mids and highs. Plus scatter the sound.
I tried the Amazon Mendini Cecilio.... Crap.... Returned it.... I need to know your opinion of what the best used professional tenor sax I might get for less than $1000 usd.... Yamaha? Yanigisawa??? Selmer? King? Conn? Others??? I need a great sounding and playing professional level sax. I'm on a tight budget but I need the best sax for my money... What is your suggestion?
Nice, but I'll bet Trane and Bird didn't use 'em. I have the grey foam and I prefer the live feel of my kitchen. I'm a realist. My horn is going to sound like wherever my music is. I'm fine with that. Go figure. What did it cost you?
You are right. You take your sound with you. Living in high density housing I don't play Tnr at home. 5min drive & there's an outdoor place that works. It's not romantic like Sonny Rolands playing on a bridge, but if you want play you will find a way. Playing outdoors can give you a full tone, & because it's inconvenient you have to plan your practice. (Just goes to show how motivated we are). Thanks for sharing your ideas. That was an encouraging comment.
That's really great! But I want your foam :) (Police patrols were visiting me to often while practising, so I've stopped playing.. ) Foam would be sooo nice for me.. ;)
Yea but how loud is it when people are outside the room or the house? Can people hear the sound a lot less??? That’s a BIG part of practicing in a crowded residential area. I got acoustic foam and it did make a difference in sound quality than without. I want it to be where can’t hear me practicing as much.
Acoustic absorption foam wouldn't do much to stop people hearing from outside! The good studios in highly crowded residential areas use special soundproof windows. Ones that block out almost all the sound from the room from the outside. As long as the exterior of the building isn't thin wood etc. Usually is thick bricks or concrete in urban areas, then the studio is built as a room within a room.
Winds of March Journey/Perry tribute band thanks for that piece of insight, I never knew that. I am especially interested in the point about what it will do for me as a player when practicing outdoors vs in a closed space. Where I am there are big parks where people can go to practice their instruments or vocals. I’m not sure if it’s effectiveness since I’ve never tried it.
@@KadrianThomas It's a good idea since essentially what these panels are trying to do is getting as close to a room with "no walls" or reflections as they can
My carpeted practice room is located in my penthouse with a wooden ceiling ranging with a height from 1m over to 5m and is around 25m2. Not sure these panels could improve on my set up like they did on yours Jay. Besides, no discount after such a pitch sucks commercially
I'm sure they would make a nice improvement to any room. I wasn't planning on being so positive in this video, I was just surprised at how much of a difference they made and how nice they look. Happy to pay for something that does what it says and comes with good service.
Gik Acoustics sell they're products in the USA, UK and some EU countries. Don't bother with the 5 cm (2 inch) one's. Get the thicker ie better 10cm (4inch) ones with fiberglass absorption and the front scattering plate. Ps. also don't get the cheaper thin foam absorption panels with front scattering plates that GIK Acoustics also sell. That's more a cheap budget option that looks good. For people who aren't too bothered about getting really good sound acoustics in their room.
What I want to actually know is how to get a better sound from my sax. That reedy tone that many great players get. i have Otto link mouthpieces and use soft reeds but the sound still isn't what I want. So jay any hints?
Play lots of longtones at the beginning of your practice session and strive for the most beautiful sound you can make on each one. Do this every day for years and carry over this feeling to everything else you play.
@@bettersax LOL You just proved sax players are really smart because you deciphered my typos. I really enjoy your videos BTW. very generous of you to tutor people gratis.
Foam room sounds amazingly dead. Hard walls are annoyingly reflective. Acoustic panels hugely better - can near the subtleties of the instrument where they are lost in the other two. Very interesting.
Get FIRE RESISTANT. At the VERY least! :) Foam fires are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS amd can easily outrun YOU. You have kids. Get the certified stuff. See Killer Show by John Barrylick. Really bad story at The Station.
Lapua Mag foam will do very little to stop the sound travelling through the walls and ceiling to the other rooms. You will need to build a room within a room. With thick rockwool or fiberglass. Insulation layers, green glue etc. Or just stick to headphones at night 🎧
You get what you pay for. We saw the cheap way when the Station burned down in 2003 and killed 100 people in under 2 minutes. Penny wise, pound foolish :) Not worth your life, of course :)
I don't like that you used the stereo recorder after you set the panels up instead of your normal mic. It doesn't give a real idea of what actually changed. It's the same as redecorating a room and repainting and then walking into the room for the first time while wearing green tint over your glasses instead of the clear lenses you were used to and wondering why the teal isn't the same shade you painted it.
They should have at least given you a discount! Who wants to deal with a greedy company. btw a teacher told me it can be good to practice in a foam dead room- because when you play outside of it your sound will be bigger. Just a thought.
Stan, they did give me a small discount which was appreciated. I don't mind paying for something if it is a good product. I just ask beforehand because lots of companies want the (almost) free publicity... I agree with the playing in a stuffy room concept now that my room isn't so dead though, I'm reaping the benefits of the years down there with the foam!
*Goes to a gig and installs wooden panels in the room*
someone else my church has the, not the exact same kind but the same type, they make a big difference.
One of the most underrated comments ever xD
Old theatre's, concert halls, rehearsal studios, they all have something to offer.
Wow you can really hear the difference in the higher range and mids. But then you have the Blue Train vinyl cover on the wall, that automatically improves sound by at least 30% :) :)
A few of us don't like Trane's sound. Bearing in mind the age of the recordings I am sure it would sound better now - and I don't mean remastering. CDs are not great sounding either tbh.
1: bare walls sounds like you're playing in a bathroom.
2: walls with foam sounds like a bathroom with foam walls (just a guess, never seen a bathroom with foam walls).
3: Wooden panels sounds like a professional studio where legendary albums have been recorded ;)
Incredible sound!
I , watched a lot of your videos and I thought those were décor panels. very impressed
You can hear the difference. Your sound is just your sound . That’s amazing. I hated practicing in a room with foam . My sound was dead and I could not get a proper idea of what I sounded like.
Great timing for me watching this as I am in the process of building my own 8 square mtr music room and my research hasn't given me a definitive answer til now.
Thanks. .
Cool, good luck with the room.
Better Sax Thanks Jm
I already aquired your "how to play by ear" 5 note pentatonic scale two weeks ago.. I'm getting pretty good with the 5 notes but unfortunately that's where my practicing has been put on hold intermittently because of juggling work comittments and now building music room off my garage..
But I promise I will get to it when my private practice room is good and ready and from then I will sign up for more online lessons that's available from BSAX.
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Everyone explains everything except when it comes to cost. You said they gave you a small discount, and in return you gave them an exceptional plug. Show them this video and maybe they’ll give you another discount. You said you paid for it yourself so, but stop short of saying. It cost ex-amount of dollars. I have purchased products in the past from your other tutorials, and you gave us the pricing. While we all probably can’t afford the number of panels it will take to cover our practice room; plus shipping you wouldn’t deter us if you mentioned what you paid. Thanks for the tips and demonstration. Was that thee “Stan Getz “ commenting? You’re a great guy and your efforts should be rewarded. I will now search on line for the panels and hope I can make a purchase. Keep up the great work you do, you’re much appreciated.....I also bought the just joes neck strap for my Christmas gift👍🏽🎵🎶🎵🎷.✌🏽I’m guessing $200/ panel before I go look them up. Thanks🎷
Sorry for not including the price. Since I made the purchase for the 2 studios at the same time it was quite expensive. Shipping is included for orders over $1K. They have many options for panels, but I got the most expensive ones. Someone else could get very similar results and spend quite a bit less. For both rooms I paid just over 3K euros and they gave me 15% off after the video was made. There are 13 different panels in the small practice room and they are different sizes and prices. I think with a budget of 1K - 1.5K anyone can get a small room done very nicely. Of course there are DIY options that cost much, much less.
subbed! this is the FIRST and best video that really brings home the difference that (what? $500-$1000 investment?) gave the room for warmth, clarity, and feel.
Visually better as well. I love the design on the walls, and how it looks with the sax.
my boi jay has a steelseries mousepad, you know what time it is,
*its gamer oclock*
Wow!! Good for you!!! Nothing feels better than the satisfaction of money well spent!!!
I guess listening to a stereo would also be very improved by those panels. Fantastic!!!
They mainly sell these for studio control rooms, live recording rooms, mixing rooms and audiophile listening rooms. In a normal sized room, the panels will make listening to music on hi-fi speakers a sublime treat.
HALLO DEAR! FROM BULGARIA! A PLAY TENOR SAX TOO.AT FURST IVE HAD LEARNED PIANO AND FLUTE.THIS HELP ME TO RESIVE GOOD TECHNIC AND HAVE GOOD HUERING-ABSOLUT! WHEN I WAS 33 YEARS BAYED MY FIRST SAXOPHONE.B@S FROM GERMAN. THISHORN IS NOT SO BED. TO MY OPINIAN TO HAVE GOOD SOUND IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE LARGE CULTURA, GOOD SPEACING, MAIND AND SOWL! WHENEVER I CUDNT MAKE DIFFERENTS BETWIN CHIIPER SAX AND EXPENSIV ONE. IS NOT SOO LONG DIFFERENTS IN THE HANDS OF MASTER. THANK FOR YOUR LESSONS! BUT GOOD SAXOPHONE IS MY DREAM! MY MAIN PROFESION IS ARCHITECT, BUT SOMETIMES I PLAY ON INTELEGENT PARTY.NOT VERY OFFEN,BUT LEARN AND IMPRUVE MY POSSIBILITY EVERY DAY! THANKS AGAIN FOR KNOLIGE!
There is a big difference in your practice room, it looks (and it listens) pretty cool, the sound is richer than it was before before. Congrats!
Thanks for the feedback!
You asked if you could have them for free in exchange for this awesome video, they said no, you spend a ton of money, make this video, and then they embed this video on their website? mmmm thats cool.
Love miracle videos, they NEVER solve my problems, but I watch'em anyways, keep'em coming
Another great video Jay. A remarkable difference in room acoustics with the panels vs. the foam. I have the foam in my studio. I will check out the glk panels. BTW, I hung my foam with 3M adhesive strips so it shouldn't mess up the walls when i take them down........I hope.
So when I play there is always a lot of spit and and an airy sound and I have no idea how to fix it you have any ideas
Thanks
Make sure your pressure is coming from your stomach and not your mouth. Your mouth should be almost completely relaxed.
I made my own but with adjustable front openings so they will absorb more or less, I was then able to tune them into the room.
can you make a video where you show all your saxophones, mouthpieces and gear you use?
Good idea, I'll put it on the list.
Very nice improvement. The foam sounded just dead, the bare walls were a Ray Harryhausen soundtrack. Like the idea that they are easily movable.
Yeah, very convenient for when I have to paint those walls...
That is impressive..... No brainer with the sound...wow💣🎷👍
Yeah, I was shocked when I played the first note.
What a difference!
Take the foam you pulled off the wall, cut them up into similar sized segments like the acoustic panels. Mount those pieces on thin wood frames to enable them to be transported and hung up just like your acoustic panels.
Foam is a much more inferior material for absorption! That's why 99% of music studios (big and small) these days use acoustic fiberglass/rockwool for absorption.
Gone are the day's 60's/70's when most didn't understand room acoustics. And would just hang foam, egg cartons or a spare rug on the wall and call it a day!
Gon
I used "T" hobby pins to mount foam panels. For the price, a handful is a good way to reduce reflections and some absorption. Beyond that, yes, it takes much more thought and planning.
The mic of the GIK guy is outstanding, what a sound mate, lul
I like the new panels best.
Handy tip for anyone getting foam. Use 3M removable tabs to hang them rather than glue. They work the same and easy to remove.
Heh I was wondering what those panels were when I saw them in the other videos. Those would be great for apartments because space is at a premium and they still look great, not everyone wants their one bedroom apt to be covered in foam. Heavy drapes help too (had to do it for music listening.) those are damn good looking panels.
Nice comparison. Thank you. Though it's not just the diffusor panels, it's also w/ the bass traps on ceiling.
Well done ! And those panels are beautiful ! :)
In your videos we don't imagine that your room is so tiny haha. I have a very bad room for practising, small appartment and I play in my main room (TV + sofa + desk + kitchen) all in an open space in a kind of "Z" shape room (the one in Tetris game lol) ... And there is a lot of anoying sound/reverb when I play ! So I'll keep this video for when I'll have money for that kind of panel. I was wondering of buying foam but it will ruins the look of my room ;)
It's all about finding the right angle to create the illusion of a larger room. There are DIY options if you search YT. They probably won't look as nice though...
Thanks for this video brother! very good! What Lens/Camera are ou using... Video looks incredibly too
You don’t realize how bad the phone sounds until you do a comparison without it and with the, I would almost rather not have the foam at all., but the panels sound great and look good to. Like you sed, I think they would be good for someone that has a spare room and make in to a jam room.
Really big difference... looks great too.
I preferred the foam tbh
There’s one spot I busk at where I sound better. There’s a kind of roundish shade near by and it sounds so different compared to standing a few meters away in the same street. 🎷
Awesome , and they are a good look,
Hello and thank you for the video ! May I ask you which color did you choose ? I really like it. Is it beech wood ?
It’s the lighter colored wood yes.
@@bettersax Thank you ! I will order them :)
Sorry to bother you again, is it beech wood ? Because yours look way darker than that
Clearly the acoustic panels provide a "truer" sound! Do you think using your Jazzlab Deflector will give you additional sound coming back at you to give you a better perspective as to what is actually coming out of your horn? Awesome addition to your room! Thank you for sharing!
Honestly, now that I have these up I don't think I'll use the deflector in there much since the room is so small anyway. On the recording you can't hear it as much, but the sound coming back to my ears when I'm playing now is a real pleasure...
The problem most have here in the states is most houses all the rooms have a lot of windows
James, they also make free standing panels that can be moved around a room and not attached to any walls. I found that these were very effective even when they weren't on all of the walls.
@@bettersax Great idea I'll have check out the site
Huge difference. Found it ironic that the audio coming from the GIK rep's office is untreated and sounds terrible. Got to represent your product/walk your talk! ;^)
Very impressive result. This video encourages me to raise a topic that I've often wondered about. I've spent donkeys years doing my practice facing either a wall or mirror. The issue is that whenever I'm away from such a reflective surface ie; rehearsals, gigs etc' I find it tricky to assess my true sound as I've become too dependant on receiving this direct sound coming back at me. I have one of those clip on sound reflectors but I find that they only offer the same effect as a wall when you play bell tones. So do you consider practice while facing a wall a good or a bad thing?
Good question... I don't consider it good or bad but something to do only sometimes. Most of the time I practice with earplugs in to protect my hearing. This helps me to play with a more full sound as I'm not holding back due to volume. I have to say that with the new panels, even with the earplugs in, the sound is much improved. I can still hear all the detail that wasn't there before, only quieter. When I play gigs, I almost always use the sound reflector thing even when I have a monitor.
@@bettersax Thanks so much for the reply. Those panels do definitely lift the sound as you say. I live in the UK on a canal boat with a wood-cladded interior so I'm probably getting a similar effect by default. I'm gna try the earplug suggestion ( I'v already ordered some on-line). Thanks again. Great channel btw....we never stop learning :)
Love the video and the thumbs up on the acoustic treatment but what size are those panels in your practice room? I can’t tell if it’s square or they are longer.
Can you put the dimensions up please? Hard to get perspective on the room that you’re currently in although I know you said it’s small and you can extend your arms out and touch both walls!
Hi, me again... ;)
Another interresting Video - but You've not improved the Sax-Sound, You improved the room accoustic. But the improvement is dramatic anyway.
I sometimes take my Sax out to practice somewhere in the forrest, (already had kind of a duet with a bird there, probably a blackbird) I really love that no-echoe-acoustic there. (maybe I should take my Sax on a hike to the alpes! An echoe with delay-times to find in the alpes might be very interresting...)
As I began practice in my house, I had to find a space to practice. Fortunately I have very good windows in my house (3 layered vacum isolation glass, that isolates temperature and noise very good) so disturbing the neighbors is not affect as long as I do not practice 3AM or so. I choosed playing to my boock's corner (several "Billy" Bookshelfs) there I've found the fewest echoes or frequency disturbings. And when I lift my view from the music stand, I see bookspines of Jules Verne, History Boocks about Egypt, the british Empire (Tudors) and the vikings over Astronomical DeepSky boocks, Potter, Lord of the Rings up to Stephen King or Dean Koontz - and I have many, many inspirations in my mind. I hope, I can once translate this journey to my music.
P.s. Avoid seeing bookshelfs of cook - or recipebooks (3 trays are full of it) while playing. It can cause a spittiy sound! Really! (I've tested that!!)
Large difference I want them for my music room
Thank God, you got rid of that ugly stuff.
I was worried as hell about a fire there for you. That did not look safe at all.
See Iroquis theatre fire, also Cocoanut Grove (1st n 2nd deadliest fires in US, 602 and 490 dead, Chicago fire was 300 dead total) and more recently, The Station (2003, 100 dead). Video is right on RUclips. Get the longer video. It looks like any other dive for 6 minutes before the fire.
That's what packing foam gets you. A very, very toxic and unbelievably fast fire. One breath and you'll be dead.
Fires can outrun YOU. Driving, even. Just sayin'. Let. It. Burn. if it ever comes down to it.
I know TWO people that ALMOST got hurt or dead planning to fight a fire in their house/studio.
Should mention, you want it CERTIFIED at least fire resistant. This is not cheap. Tough.
And they said " no" loved it
Thanks for this and all of the other video tips, what an amazing difference in sound. I am a part-time player mainly at church but am enjoying practicing more and more. I don't have a studio but generally practice in my bedroom but have been told that a better sound would be to practice in my closet due to the clothes helping absorb the sound. It's about the size of your studio and same shape. Is that better than an open bedroom with vaulted ceilings?
Mike, try out the closet and see how it sounds. It will certainly be more dead and have less reverb. You may prefer playing in there.
Hi, thanks for sharing this video. Where the bass straps on the ceiling also in the new plan, or did you have them already. and why on one side 10 centimeters panels and on the other side 5 centimeters, was part of the plan or a budget reason?
The bass traps on the ceiling were part of the plan. Before I had foam up there too. I put the thinner panels on one side just to save space since it's so small. I have 1.20 meters across so 15 centimeters is already more than 10% of my space.The foam was 4cm thick so I only lost a total of 7 cm.
what's the difference between a plastic embouchure and a metallic embouchure?
How are these panels at sound proofing the room so that the amount of sound heard outside the room is minimal? My primary issue is that my wife is sensitive to noise of any kind, and I mostly practice when she's out of the house. I would love to be able to practice freely at any time without annoying her. I do have a thick, rubber sound-absorbing treatment installed under the sheetrock, foam on the walls, and a thick Styrofoam-like sound absorbing material on the ceiling, but it's not enough to maintain marital peace....
Yes big improvement. Very aesthetic too. Good investment. Can't imagine they could be made cheaply - look quality materials. Nice try on the free plug, if you don't ask you don't get. Unlucky this time. LoL. They must be well pleased.
I like the sound could you tell with what materials the gik is made
Check out their website where they have tons of info on the panels...
www.gikacoustics.com/
Hi there, I'm just wondering, do you ever do remote recordings in that room for artists albums? If so, isn't the only "loophole" that you have still a bit of room characteristic (even how nice it is) on your signal that you can't remove?
Good question. Normally when I record I mic much closer so as not to pick up a lot of the room. When you have a nice sounding room like in a proper studio they will often use a room mic and mix a small amount of that in to give some natural ambiance to the sound. In a room like mine the recordings are going to be much better since there will be fewer eq adjustments necessary to achieve a natural sound. The sound is much more natural now and that's what we want when recording. I haven't yet experimented and compared to previous recordings with this yet though.
Hello Sir, is that a Yanagisawa TW010 that you have in this video? I have not seen this Ur other videos. Have you just got it? How's it? Thanks.
That is a Yanagisawa T880 with a 991 bronze neck. I've had it for a few years now and it's my main tenor...
The acoustic panels really made such a big improvement in the overall tonal quality of the sax sound. The egg carton foam gives a dead and bland sound. Its like playing the sax under a big tree out in the park. The bare walls projects a rather too shiny or glaring sound. You can be taken aback when blowing the high notes a bit hard. KEEP THE PANELS there. Don't ever remove them!!!
Playing under a big tree would actually sound much better than the egg carton foam!
The curve of the tree would mimic a curved cylindrical diffuser.
And the numerous tree branches with leaves (only if low enough) would absorb some mids and highs. Plus scatter the sound.
I tried the Amazon Mendini Cecilio.... Crap.... Returned it.... I need to know your opinion of what the best used professional tenor sax I might get for less than $1000 usd.... Yamaha? Yanigisawa???
Selmer? King? Conn? Others??? I need a great sounding and playing professional level sax. I'm on a tight budget but I need the best sax for my money... What is your suggestion?
Nice, but I'll bet Trane and Bird didn't use 'em. I have the grey foam and I prefer the live feel of my kitchen. I'm a realist. My horn is going to sound like wherever my music is. I'm fine with that. Go figure. What did it cost you?
You are right. You take your sound with you. Living in high density housing I don't play Tnr at home. 5min drive & there's an outdoor place that works. It's not romantic like Sonny Rolands playing on a bridge, but if you want play you will find a way. Playing outdoors can give you a full tone, & because it's inconvenient you have to plan your practice. (Just goes to show how motivated we are). Thanks for sharing your ideas. That was an encouraging comment.
You have a link? I couldn't find GIK acoustic panels in a search. Thanks
Do you compress or EQ your sax or is it RAW from the microphone? what microphone do you use?
no effects or eq on this audio. I recorded using the built in stereo mics on a zoom h5
@@bettersax Aigh't Thanks.
Pretty dramatic difference!
Yes! The recording only tells part of the story. It's actually much more dramatic in real life...
*the room is tuned to concert c*
That's really great! But I want your foam :) (Police patrols were visiting me to often while practising, so I've stopped playing.. ) Foam would be sooo nice for me.. ;)
Foam is not going to make it quieter, it just changes how the sound bounces around the walls and then into your ears.
@@bettersax Thanx, I'll have it in mind and maybe.. move to another place one day..
Yea but how loud is it when people are outside the room or the house? Can people hear the sound a lot less??? That’s a BIG part of practicing in a crowded residential area. I got acoustic foam and it did make a difference in sound quality than without. I want it to be where can’t hear me practicing as much.
Acoustic absorption foam wouldn't do much to stop people hearing from outside! The good studios in highly crowded residential areas use special soundproof windows.
Ones that block out almost all the sound from the room from the outside. As long as the exterior of the building isn't thin wood etc. Usually is thick bricks or concrete in urban areas, then the studio is built as a room within a room.
Hi Jay what about practicing out in the open like at a park? Is it a good idea?
Depends where you are.
In Chicago, better have a permit, especially anywhere near the CTA (different permit). Total 125.00 yr.
Then you can even busk.
Winds of March Journey/Perry tribute band thanks for that piece of insight, I never knew that. I am especially interested in the point about what it will do for me as a player when practicing outdoors vs in a closed space. Where I am there are big parks where people can go to practice their instruments or vocals. I’m not sure if it’s effectiveness since I’ve never tried it.
@@KadrianThomas It's a good idea since essentially what these panels are trying to do is getting as close to a room with "no walls" or reflections as they can
My carpeted practice room is located in my penthouse with a wooden ceiling ranging with a height from 1m over to 5m and is around 25m2. Not sure these panels could improve on my set up like they did on yours Jay. Besides, no discount after such a pitch sucks commercially
I'm sure they would make a nice improvement to any room. I wasn't planning on being so positive in this video, I was just surprised at how much of a difference they made and how nice they look. Happy to pay for something that does what it says and comes with good service.
Masters get it right from trying and trying and trying again and praticing until they eventually are able to do something
What song is that?
Those things look expensive
I see they make them in 5 and 10 centimeters. Do they make a version compatible with the US?
Gik Acoustics sell they're products in the USA, UK and some EU countries.
Don't bother with the 5 cm (2 inch) one's. Get the thicker ie better 10cm (4inch) ones with fiberglass absorption and the front scattering plate.
Ps. also don't get the cheaper thin foam absorption panels with front scattering plates that GIK Acoustics also sell. That's more a cheap budget option that looks good.
For people who aren't too bothered about getting really good sound acoustics in their room.
Must have cost a pretty penny for the stuff!........I hear a huge difference!
Yeah, they weren't cheap. I wouldn't have spent so much if I wasn't filming and recording there all the time though.
Building a sound room is like getting married.
Make it good cos you're gonna be there a long time.....
Am I special or does anyone else kinda like the foam?
You're short bus material I think /s
What I want to actually know is how to get a better sound from my sax. That reedy tone that many great players get. i have Otto link mouthpieces and use soft reeds but the sound still isn't what I want. So jay any hints?
Play lots of longtones at the beginning of your practice session and strive for the most beautiful sound you can make on each one. Do this every day for years and carry over this feeling to everything else you play.
@@bettersax LOL You just proved sax players are really smart because you deciphered my typos. I really enjoy your videos BTW. very generous of you to tutor people gratis.
What was your final cost?
Foam room sounds amazingly dead. Hard walls are annoyingly reflective. Acoustic panels hugely better - can near the subtleties of the instrument where they are lost in the other two. Very interesting.
He sounds almost like the narrator in Bright Side
"My room is tuned to concert C" 😂
I went with the moving blankets and will have to add some foam. My main purpose is to not annoy the wife, neighbor, and wake up the kids.
Get FIRE RESISTANT. At the VERY least! :)
Foam fires are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS amd can easily outrun YOU.
You have kids. Get the certified stuff. See Killer Show by John Barrylick. Really bad story at The Station.
If you are able to NOT annoy the wife, monetize that and teach the rest of us!😈
Lapua Mag foam will do very little to stop the sound travelling through the walls and ceiling to the other rooms.
You will need to build a room within a room. With thick rockwool or fiberglass. Insulation layers, green glue etc.
Or just stick to headphones at night 🎧
Nice!, take the foam to the dump!
They look great (and expensive) LOL.
You get what you pay for.
We saw the cheap way when the Station burned down in 2003 and killed 100 people in under 2 minutes.
Penny wise, pound foolish :)
Not worth your life, of course :)
🎵🎶🎵🎷
what reed and mouthpiece do you use?
In this video I'm playing a Phil-tone Intrepid 7* with a RSJ 3H
@@bettersax RSJ?
Rico Select Jazz
How much did they pay you for this promotion?
Haha. I wish. I paid them for the panels but I am very happy with the results and I guess you can see and hear that in the video.
I don't like that you used the stereo recorder after you set the panels up instead of your normal mic. It doesn't give a real idea of what actually changed. It's the same as redecorating a room and repainting and then walking into the room for the first time while wearing green tint over your glasses instead of the clear lenses you were used to and wondering why the teal isn't the same shade you painted it.
They should have at least given you a discount! Who wants to deal with a greedy company. btw a teacher told me it can be good to practice in a foam dead room- because when you play outside of it your sound will be bigger. Just a thought.
Stan, they did give me a small discount which was appreciated. I don't mind paying for something if it is a good product. I just ask beforehand because lots of companies want the (almost) free publicity... I agree with the playing in a stuffy room concept now that my room isn't so dead though, I'm reaping the benefits of the years down there with the foam!
yeah! how dare companies want to profit from their fine products....
Wish i sounded like you (sigh)
Alto sax sales Amazon
Good
Thank you Lise...
what horn is he playing on? it looks like a Beusher 400 or something.
That’s a Yanagisawa T880 with a bronze neck
@@bettersax she's a beaut
Yea ima stick to football I hate sax now
I like foam sound :/
Hay send me the old ones I will pay for the. Shipping thanks
If you can send mea message
No. That crap looked dangerous as hell and not fire resistant at all.
See The Station Fire. 100 dead in 90 seconds. That's cheap.home baffling. :)
FAKE
I honestly thought you were gonna talk about those reeds everyone’s been pushing . They’ve been putting a lot of money into promoting them.
Which reeds are those? I don't get any ads for reeds...
synthetics......anyways, I bought your Pentatonic Foundation course and It’s great. It help me get back on the sax after a 20 year break.
Great to hear that it's helping you.