A Surprising Duo: Rolex Submariner 14060M & Tudor Pelagos 39
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- The peculiar vibe of the Rolex Submariner 14060 may be absent within the present catalog of Rolex sports watches, but that doesn’t mean it’s not out there in other more modern watches. In fact, you don’t have to stray far from the family to find such a candidate. Tudor has managed to capture a lot of the charm of early Rolex references in recent years, and one in particular strikes me as a perfect embodiment of what I love about 5 digit Subs, and that is the Pelagos 39.
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Who else loves that clicking sound the bracelet and clasp make when shaken in hand? 😄
I sold my 41 Sub no date & Cermit at the height of insanity and do not miss either. Recently purchased the 39 Pelagos and love it! I still have a 39 explorer full lume & sea dweller 16600 & 116600. The Pelagos 39 is the new iteration of the sub no date in grade 2 Ti…it’s the perfect daily wear
Great pair of dwellers! I have both as well and have on my SD4K as I write this 😄👍🍻
The only reason you don’t miss them is because you have 2 Rolex sea dwellers lol
That Rolex is drop dead gorgeous. The most perfect proportions on a Rolex EVER!!!
I have the 14060M. Bought from Pride and Pinion. I find it a very light and comfortable watch. It is my first Rolex. My dream set would be this and the bluesy for special occasions, but that requires some extra savings. For me, I’ve always bought a new watch upon receiving a promotion or new job. I have gone through Casio, Citizen, Seiko, Tag Heuer and finally made it to a Submariner.
Cashed in on my 2007 14060M, and replaced it with a BB58 Blue and now recently a Pelagos 39 as well. Agree that Pelagos is very much the watch that should replaced 14060 instead of 114060. The maxi case is a big no go imo.
In a quick sentence can you sum up the difference between the bb58 and the pelagos 39? Which would you chose if you could only have one and why?
This is the comparison I didn't know we needed, but we definitely did. I did not realize these two were so close in size. I think it says more about what the Tudor offers to say it's not necessarily worth the price jump to the Rolex than it is a knock against the Submariner 14060M. Knowing the size is so similar to to vintage Sub honestly does have me more interested. I also like that the Pelagos is bit closer to 40 than 39. I haven't had the fortunate of finding a Pelagos 39 in stock at my AD yet, but I'm going to reach out to my sales guy to let me know if they get one in. I am potentially really interested if they come out with a blue version this year, but I want to get it on wrist. I've always been attracted to the Tudor Sub 9401, and that would be a worry free modern equivalent at a much more affordable price.
Got the Pelagos 39 yesterday and will start saving for a Blue Pelagos 39 which I hope does not take too long.
Nothing boring about these watches at all. Absolutely beautiful the both of them. They look similar but are very different. The Pelagos in Titanium is a very different watch. My dream watch would be the Submariner in Titanium. You have great taste in watches. These are two fantastic watches.
14060 is the greatest Rolex ever made according to me. It’s perfect
Have and had a lot of watches, the tudor pelagos is the best daily watch ever made.
Your comment has just made up my mind into getting one.
Totally agree. Got the Pelagos 39 yesterday and immediately started saving for a Blue Pelagos 39 which I hope they make soon. Already have 6 straps (21mm) for it.
Man that 14060M is so clean....Throw in a BB58 blue and a Speedy and I think you've got my dream 3 watch collection as of right now!
Full disclosure, I'm a big Tudor fanboy. I've had the Pelagos LHD, the previous generation of the Ranger and currently own the BB GMT, BB Bronze (1st Gen) and now the P39. I was so worried the P39 would be too small on my wrist but the bezel sizes it to close to 40mm. I'd tried the BB58 but that feels smaller as the eye is drawn inwards - the P39 draws the eye outward. The P42 is a real BIG watch - very very slab sided - I loved it but it's not the easiest watch to live with.
Tudor also has the issue that they tend to be thicker watches than Rolex (although this is now changing - the case design on the BB GMT is very clever at hiding the height) - at 11.8mm thick and with the bezel pulling the watch to near 40mm it's just brilliant to wear.
So within tudor the P39 hits the sweet spot - doing everything just about right. I'd always wondered about the comparison to the sub - so this video is perfect. The watches are so close in size and it really does feel like a sliding doors moment where the Sub carried on one path and the P39 took a fork in the road. Now I look down at my wrist and I have no desire for a Sub at all, if they'd called this a "Tudor Submariner" there would be waiting lists for the next 2 years.
Yes, the marketing is terrible - this really is a tool watch. It's also quite perfect is almost every way.
Now all I need is for the Ranger to just be a BIT better and my explorer itch will be scratched ;-)
Agree. Got the Pelagos 30 yesterday. Will get the Pelagos 39 Blue dial as soon as it is available.
Owned a Rolex for 15 years, recently bought a Tudor Pelagos 39. It's a fantastic tool. The finishing on the Rolex is finer, but the innovation on offer with the Tudor leaves Rolex behind. Lumed bezel, titanium, T-fit...
In my collection the P39 is my tool, and the Rolly is my jewel. The Tudor is more forward thinking and in my opinion a better tool, the Rolex feels more special, better quality, but lacks some of the benefits of the innovative features.
There is no dive watch that I'd personally choose over the Tudor Pelagos 39 currently. The full package is unrivalled for my needs, however the titanium does scratch easily and the finishing falls just short of Rolex.
Hope this helps anybody considering one!
Good coments. Got the Pelagos 39 yesterday and immediately started saving for the Pelagos 39 Blue which I hope they make soon. Already have 6 straps (21mm) for it also.
And I love not having the date. I know it's handy to have it, but it looks so much better this way.
Indeed.
It's definitely a modern day 5 digit reference sub with up to date build quality but I can't help but think that the "Pelagos" name should have been used on a modern reinterpretation of the 16600 - A little bit more chunkier and masculine and made out of titanium would be the ultimate watch. It's a spot on comparison with the 14060m - A modern day version of it for those that actually use their watches. Tudor have been recreating the magic minus the jangle on their 39mm range - bb58 (6538 - 5512), bb pro (1655 - 16570) and now P39 (14060m - 16610). They're catering for those of us who want new 5 digit references. They should have been ballsy and called it Sub.
Amazing watches. Already have a Rolex so the Pelagos has been catching my eye as of late
0:58 that cup of water just killed me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 putt coffe on it at least to make it more "authentic"
I just love the high legibility of the snowflake hands! 😍
Thanks for watching Britt!
Me too. Snowflake hands are gorgeous and so very legible.
Like the comment below, I sold my 114060 at the height of sanity and do not miss it. Recently also purchased the Pelagos 39 and I also love it.
With watches like this, Sinn U50, Serica 5303, etc., a ceramic sub seems so boring to me.... most will argue, until they wear one and actually do stuff while wearing it. You'll see that these new subs are made to look pretty under boutique lights, appealing to overweight dudes with golden cuban link chains.
A good comparison is with motorcycles, although I love Ducati, I once heard that the Japanese sport bikes have large mirrors to look for cops - while Ducatis mirrors are small and stylish becuase Ducati riders use their mirrors to check their hair pommade. Rolex is the Ducati mirror.
The blue Pelagos is more of its own thing. The black one does look very similar to a Submariner from further away, so if you want to avoid getting mugged, get the blue one. Depends on where you live, of course.
As your running just be shouting its a Tudor!
Yes. Got the Pelagos 39 and will get the Pelagos 39 Blue as soon as it is available.
I have a 2-line 14060m, and it is the one watch that keeps me from buying a lot of newer dive watches. This is a great comparison! I love the jangly bracelet and the classic styling, while also loving the fact that it has a great robust movement in the 3130. It's the perfect watch for me. Plus, I was able to get mine several years back after a series of trades, so my entry cost is significantly cheaper than what the modern cost is these days.
Great to hear!
Awesome video! I have the two liner 14060m 06 model. You cannot go wrong with either a two liner or four liner. I like the unsigned rehaut better as it goes with older vintages but that is merely preference. Either one is one hundred percent a winner. I would get the Tudor Pelagos 39 in a heartbeat if not for the 14060m. Also, I like the bracelets better on the old sub than the newer. Al thought jingly jangly it is more comfortable than the newer model subs. I am sure the titanium Pelagos is a dream to wear.
You are correct, the Pelagos 39 IS a dream to wear.
I think the p39 is breath fresh air.. 🎉 it's modern looks great no lume on hands .. I think tudor should do something about that.. but other then that fantastic watch.
I have the 39 which wears similarly to my dad's vintage GMT. Doesn't quite have the charm, but I suspect that's mostly the colour and history.
I have the 16610 sub date as well as the Bb58 blue and it’s a good duo. Modern and neo vintage.
As a wstch guy and submariner owner, i would be envious of that Tudor. Its more special
Got the Pelagos 39 yesterday and love it.
I wonder if anyone has identified one distinct link on the Palogose to the past non date crown guards submariners both from Rolex and Tudor specifically 😮1959 - 1963 production which I love the most and that's the pointed crown guards era. When Rolex introduced crown guards in 1959 they were experimenting with the shape. First was squared which was produced for less than eight months and then pointed which both the 5512and 7928 had and later 1962 5513 had. Love the era the most and it's cool that Tudor brought it back.
14060m (4 line) is my first Rolex and will stay with me forever
I have the same pair. Awesome watches.
I hope to one day own both. Don’t have either yet but I’m working on it.
@@EastCoastPGS you will keep working hard.
@@EastCoastPGSGet the Pelagos 39 as soon as possible. You will be happy, even if the Sub $$$$$ never happens.
Very well presented Blake. I have to agree with your comments on the Pelagos 39. It's a light weight tool watch that takes some cues from some of the older Submariner references. It isn't a copy though as you mention, it's more of a divergence of the design for a dive watch. I also like there this isn't a 'which is best?' video but more of these are the differences and decide for yourself and decide what your preference would be as we're all different. Many thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for watching!
Great video 👏 I absolutely love my 16610 sub and there is no substitute for it. I respect Tudor, but honestly prefer the look of the OG BB58 to this new Pelagos.
Good choice!
Tudor have come on leaps recently, and I have the Sub 114060 complimented with the Tudor BB Pro GMT, both having a size around the 40mm. Somegood points about the Pelagos. 👍
Thanks for watching!
And there you have it. Go for the Rolex if you want the name. It's twice the price if you're working on the assumption that you can go out and buy one tomorrow. ( Which you can't. ) The Pelagos is a belter.
The Pelagos has been the premier tool-watch diver for awhile now. As you've shown, it isn't a Sub substitute, but a contemporary. The only thing is: if you want a Sub, nothing else will do.
Great comparison! Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I prefer the 40mm subs just seem more balanced, but a blue pelogos 39 would be perfect..
Thanks for watching!
I have the two line 14060m, but on a rubberb strap. It was Rolex serviced in 2019 and came back like new, combined with the rubber strap makes it look very modern. However, switch it to a leather strap, with its two lines of text and vintage proportions and its like a different watch. Its robust enough to be a daily beater. Simple choice.
Somebody probably already mentione this, but all 14060M's were COSC certified, they only later started mentioning it on the 4-liner I think.
Faux, la 14060m 2 lignes n’était pas certifiée cocs…
Cool and interesting analysis. I’d propose a slightly different pair - pre 2010 Sea Dweller and the Pelagos 39. That gives you a dedicated deep dive watch, and something that is part Submariner, part tool watch and transitions well to casual wear.
is it justifiable to add pelagos 39 since I already have Explorer 40?
The Submariner is gorgeous. I prefer the 58 to the pelagos as an addition
perfect pair
Great video, Blake. You have great taste in watches. ;-)
Thank you kindly!
Love these style videos!
More to come!
Dont understand why they didn’t do a full 300m water resistant 39 pelagos, it would not need the valve at 200m or 300m
If I were in the market for a new dive watch, it would be the Pelagos!
I tried on the P39mm against an original P42mm at the ADs last weekend. Both very good watches. On my wrist the P42 wore better. I agree with you there is no need to move up to a Submariner from the P39. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I agree I bought the LHD . The 39 looked too small . I tried them both on as videos say the full size pelagos is too big and thick , it isn't if you have normal human size wrists
Not long ago you could grab a 14060m for about the same price as the Pelagos 39…ah to reminisce
Missing those days!
Yes😂😂😂😂😂
What would make a great everyday watch? The BB 58 or the Pelagos 39?
Seems to me that the Pelagos is clearly a value proposition compared to submariner…is the submariner really worth twice if not three times the price of a 39 Pelagos?
If you want it as an investment yes, if you never intend to sell the pelagos nope .
Also the jangly Rolex bracelets are the best ones change my mind
What size is your wrist? Thanks!
14060M 4 liners ❤❤❤❤
Humm… i prefer 2 liners😂😂😂
Have the two-liner and it is my daily.
That's the ultimate Submariner in my mind.
I dig this review. Well done!
Much appreciated!
Does the titanium give the Pelagos 39 a different look (darker) and vibe (more modern, toolish) than the stainless steel 14060? Or does the Pelagos still give off a vintage feel? I've never seen it in person.
It does look a touch darker/warmer in person that to me makes it read more modern. Worth seeing in person if you get the chance!
@@wornandwound Good call. Great video!
Big Idea Design slim bolt action
14060m has got a nice sheen!
The pre ceramic subs and GMTs look so much better than the ceramic ones. The modern rolexes have lugs that are still far too thick and destroys the classic shape. I also find it funny that rolex has been sizing up their watches at a time when everyone else has been sizing them down. Rolex should go back to the original case shape and size but obviously keep the updated bracelet/clasp and the ceramic bezel. It'd be the perfect watch.
Is it me or is the wrist size on both of these watches MASSIVE🤣
The Pelagos 39mm is nice but not quite toppled the BB58.
Alright...but if you had to pick...?
If you take a shot each time you hear Submariner - you might just get drunk enough to decide to buy one! 😅
Rolex is way more elegant. I prefer smaller hands
Is he pronouncing Pelagos correctly? Never heard anyone ever say it like that?
Why isnt there a date on the pelagos 39? Totally kills it for me.
lets see a clasp comparison, thanks
Noted! It would not be kind to the Rolex. There are some views of the clasps in the images within the full article right here wornandwound.com/video-inside-the-collection-pairing-the-tudor-pelagos-39-the-rolex-submariner-14060m/
The Sub looks so much nicer
If you want a rolex get the Rolex please don’t get anything else… you’ll hate yourself for not getting it
I mean yeah, the pelagos is the Tudor Submariner. They changed the name because they are obsessed with generating false hype for the Submariner but it's literally the Tudor Submariner
If you are blind maybe
Literally the least surprising
Those idiots at Rolex should have made the new Submariner same specifications as the new 39mm Pelagos. The new 41mm is massive clasp and case size is so ugly.
Yeah it’s massive if you have T. rex arms and baby size wrists
The 41mm sub is really only 40.5mm. 0.3mm bigger than the 40mm maxi subs and less than 1mm larger than the Pelagos 39 (which is really 39.6mm). But it wears better than the 40mm maxi case imo. Even though it's the same thickness as the Pelagos 39, it appears thinner on the wrist because of its slim case flank. The slab-sidedness of the Pelagos makes it appear thicker. Now, I agree with you about 41mm sub clasp. It should have stayed the same size. It's certainly not a deal breaker, but I don't like that it's bulkier. Side by side, the footprints of the 41mm sub and the Pelagos 39 are nearly identical. So, I respectfully disagree. The biggest difference for me is that the Pelagos appears less flashy and more tool like, which I love. To each their own.
@@fifaboy18 Regardless, what the specs are on 41mm Sub it wears clunky and unrefined…it’s not classy. I can see why Omega gained so much traction since 41mm Sub released.
@@Thankyou_3I respectfully disagree. I'm a big Omega fan, I've owned several, and currently own the new Speedy, which I adore. I've tried the newer Seamasters and they definitely wear more "clunky" than the Sub. I used to own the Omega 2254 (before Omega introduced the coaxial 2500 and 8800, they used a thinner ETA-based 1120 movement) which was a joy to wear on the wrist. Very elegant, super thin. The newer Seamasters are terrific watches but they just don't wear as well as the new Sub does. Tim Mosso does a lovely comparison video of the two watches over on @WatchboxReviews where he comes to the same conclusion. Clunky and unrefined aren't words i would use to describe either watch to be honest. However, I will concede that the clasp on the new sub could be a mm or two smaller.
weird
Submariner dial speaks luxury. Pelagos dial is more of a tool watch.
Not at all interested in Rolex. At a push I’d opt for the Tudor. Other than that, both look dull, but if the pretentious, status chasing zombies like them, then that’s okay by me.
Try wearing one, buddy - just might change your mind😀
I really don’t think they look pretentious… quite the opposite imo.