I used to use 28mm, then got a new road bike that has 23mm's. Honestly it did not decrease comfort. Because 28 mm tyres were cheap and the new 23'mm tyres are good quality.
I just bought a trek 1400, that is a vintage road bike and the tires are vintage its a 20mm. Very narrow tires. I dont see 20mm's anymore in the market.
tyre width really depends of the inner diameter of your rims, the narrower your rim it will make your tyre narrower . and the wider internal diameter then the wider your tyre will be
I think it’s depends on the tire air pressure and hardness of tire surface. Because if put air so hard in clincher tire, it feels like a tubeless tire. Also some tire are swelling if put air almost at max pressure point. My bike frame are narrow, so it fit only 25 or below size. But if put air so hard on 25c, it swelling and almost touch frames. So only choices are use 23c tire. If chose hard strong tire with almost max air pressure in 23c tire, it works much better with solid riding with better grip and rolling. I was just surprised how different changing from 25c to 23c. 23c with max air pressure makes feel less rolling resistance than 25c for long distance road ride. I am training for full distance triathlon, so small changes makes big difference 🙏.
Ronald Kuba no. I just bought triathlon bike last summer. It comes with 700 25c. And I was using since, I tried two different tires with 25c, and I prefer more hardness on my tire, so I tend to put air almost close to maximum point because when I ride long distance, l feels like a my tire losing little air (even though it’s very subtle) through the way (usually I ride between half distance to full distance triathlon of bike). As my personal riding preference, I definitely love 23c by changing from 25c old tire of clincher category!! I know article about speed and tire size myth, so people tend to back to wider size...it’s just my preference...and before I was using 25c tire, I need to push hard to keep up 18 - 20 mile/h, but after changing to 23c, I feel like I don’t need same power to keep up!! I don’t care what other people said, I just happy with that😙
I have used 23 for too many years. 3 days ago I switched to 25s. Wow, what a difference. Less bumpy and a smoother rolling on a bad road. I will stick with 25s for the rest of my life.
I'm afraid how bike industry can put some crazy ideas in the custommer head... What is that new problem with confort, bad roads etc? A road bike is designed to be the quicker on a good road, not to be confortable on gravels!! 25mm is heavy, smoothie, and feel really bad on climbing (on good roads). It's exactly the same deal with the 27.5 and 29 in mountain bike. 26" was perfect on downhill, 27.5 is a chewing gum (I don't even speak of 29" which is just... I have no words...) and the industry explain that it,is,better, everybody say "great, I want new bike!" incredible...
So, you could say, that aerodynamically, a 23mm tire will in most cases be faster. Which means, the rear can be 25mm, preferably with a wider rim, for some comfort, but a 23mm upfront. Although 25mm tires almost feel like gravel tires if you're used to 23s. Rony, you still run 23s fr and re on the Speed Concept?
Rim width does have an effect, but you can run 25mm on a standard 20 mm with rim and still be faster than 23mm. when you jump up to 28mm tyre otyremm, then you need to have at least a 23mm or 25mm with rim to take advantage of the wider tire that will unequivocally roll faster.
A UCI mechanic said with clinchers you need to tune the rim to the tyre. A standard rim is for 21 to 23mm the wider rims are for 25mm. If you mix and match, the profile of the tyre changes. And is not recommended.
Malte Musfeldt if you can read them better while filming and looking through the phone, then why don't you do your own videos? Apparently I am not a super human like you...
Hi Ronald - I hope you are well. I'm a newbie and need some help understanding the data on the side of the Vittoria tyres. It shows 23-28" on the tyre sidewall - can you tell me what this means .. sorry I'm confused. Thanks in advance PC
Hi, may I know what's the C means? I've a hybrid bike with 700x28 size, so 700x28C suitable? So of all brands, Maxxis, CST, Continental & Kenda, which one will you recommend? Tq 🤔
Have you tríed fitting 28 mm tires on your trek madone? My local trek dealer hasent tríed but said to me that its not posible. Ive warn out two sets of the original bontrager R3 25mm and I would like to try a diferent set of tires and width. Thanks for your advice.
How inefficient in mph/kph would you say running the 25mm at 100psi compared to running the 28mm at 80psi on 25mm 88mm deep dish wheels? I have 25.2mm width 88mm depth wheels coming in the mail & i don't know whether to run 25mm conti 4000 IIs or 28mm conti 4000 IIs. If the difference is less than .1 mph~ between them i wouldnt be too concerned as the 28mm are the exact same rolling resistance at 80psi as the 25mm at 100psi. In my personal experience I gain about 30% more overall comfort from road vibrations & bumps with the 20 less psi & extra tire material offered by the 28mms. Could this be something i could test?
25,2mm external width is quite narrow, as the rim has to be at least 105% of the tire width to achieve optimal aerodynamics. I would say 23mm are going to be fastest, with 25mm as a good middle ground. 28mm tires need at least 30mm external rim width to achieve the desired flow characteristics. check out this link for specific numbers: silca.cc/blogs/journal
Ronald Kuba Ah, no. 23's are not going to be faster in any configuration except Perhaps, Perhaps on a track and a tire drum in a controlled lab but NOT on real roads in the real world. #janheine
There is a difference between the height of the tire 700x25 vs 700x28, I ask why I have space on the sides of my frame, but not much above and I am currently 25 and I want to change to 28. thanks
Can I put a 700 x 19/24 tube in a 25mm tire? Is there any risk/performance decrease by doing this? Reason for asking is it seems to be easier/cheaper to find latex tubes in this smaller size.
perfectly fine until you patch it. it'll be lighter, and it'll stretch to match the size, but when you patch it then when you re-inflate it it'll stretch more than the patch and in time the patch might pull away from the inner tube itself. should be fine to get you home, at which point you'd likely replace the tube with a new one.
Nice review bro. Do you think Vittoria graphene 23c vittoria is faster than the 25c? 25c show better performance in rolling résistance and a extra comfort
thanks for the question. According to bicyclerollingresistance.com the Corsa Speed is the fastest tire currently on the market, regardless of size or type. If you compare two identical models in 23 and 25mm, then the larger one is going to have less rolling resistance, but you can only benefit from this if your rim and tire widths are dialled, aerodynamically speaking. www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/vittoria-corsa-speed-2016
come on man, get real, the only person that could probably feel the difference in ride is Lance Armstrong, and then he might have trouble tellin the difference, so come on man.
I used to use 28mm, then got a new road bike that has 23mm's. Honestly it did not decrease comfort. Because 28 mm tyres were cheap and the new 23'mm tyres are good quality.
What? 23 is rock solid tyre 28 you can use low pressure
I have two bikes in 23 and 25. I ride the 23 if I really want to go aero fast, i ride the 25 if i want more comfort.
That’s a good way to do it!
I just bought a trek 1400, that is a vintage road bike and the tires are vintage its a 20mm. Very narrow tires. I dont see 20mm's anymore in the market.
tyre width really depends of the inner diameter of your rims, the narrower your rim it will make your tyre narrower . and the wider internal diameter then the wider your tyre will be
I think it’s depends on the tire air pressure and hardness of tire surface. Because if put air so hard in clincher tire, it feels like a tubeless tire. Also some tire are swelling if put air almost at max pressure point. My bike frame are narrow, so it fit only 25 or below size. But if put air so hard on 25c, it swelling and almost touch frames. So only choices are use 23c tire. If chose hard strong tire with almost max air pressure in 23c tire, it works much better with solid riding with better grip and rolling. I was just surprised how different changing from 25c to 23c. 23c with max air pressure makes feel less rolling resistance than 25c for long distance road ride. I am training for full distance triathlon, so small changes makes big difference 🙏.
shoji O 23mm at max pressure? What year is it, 1996?
Ronald Kuba no. I just bought triathlon bike last summer. It comes with 700 25c. And I was using since, I tried two different tires with 25c, and I prefer more hardness on my tire, so I tend to put air almost close to maximum point because when I ride long distance, l feels like a my tire losing little air (even though it’s very subtle) through the way (usually I ride between half distance to full distance triathlon of bike). As my personal riding preference, I definitely love 23c by changing from 25c old tire of clincher category!! I know article about speed and tire size myth, so people tend to back to wider size...it’s just my preference...and before I was using 25c tire, I need to push hard to keep up 18 - 20 mile/h, but after changing to 23c, I feel like I don’t need same power to keep up!! I don’t care what other people said, I just happy with that😙
I agree. It is best to stick to 23 for aerodynamic purpose.
love it works great. just the right size
Perfect!
-,- that warp stabilizer in the video -,-
I have used 23 for too many years. 3 days ago I switched to 25s. Wow, what a difference. Less bumpy and a smoother rolling on a bad road. I will stick with 25s for the rest of my life.
Try 28s 😉
I'm afraid how bike industry can put some crazy ideas in the custommer head... What is that new problem with confort, bad roads etc?
A road bike is designed to be the quicker on a good road, not to be confortable on gravels!! 25mm is heavy, smoothie, and feel really bad on climbing (on good roads).
It's exactly the same deal with the 27.5 and 29 in mountain bike. 26" was perfect on downhill, 27.5 is a chewing gum (I don't even speak of 29" which is just... I have no words...) and the industry explain that it,is,better, everybody say "great, I want new bike!"
incredible...
@@treygray2817 differences betweem 25c and 28c? im riding with 25c
@@Mobiedicc Just far more comfortable and lower PSI. Opens the door to very light gravel paths as well.
Like Corsa. Don’t think they handle brilliantly cornering. Unless just me ?? Rode all summer on them.
So, you could say, that aerodynamically, a 23mm tire will in most cases be faster. Which means, the rear can be 25mm, preferably with a wider rim, for some comfort, but a 23mm upfront. Although 25mm tires almost feel like gravel tires if you're used to 23s.
Rony, you still run 23s fr and re on the Speed Concept?
Yes
Rim width does have an effect, but you can run 25mm on a standard 20 mm with rim and still be faster than 23mm. when you jump up to 28mm tyre otyremm, then you need to have at least a 23mm or 25mm with rim to take advantage of the wider tire that will unequivocally roll faster.
Projekt Archetype - X aerodynamics are also a thing
A UCI mechanic said with clinchers you need to tune the rim to the tyre. A standard rim is for 21 to 23mm the wider rims are for 25mm. If you mix and match, the profile of the tyre changes. And is not recommended.
what's the disadvantage of inflating a 700x23 tube on a 700x25 tire?
Less puncture protection
Imagine I installed 23 on my 28 tire 😂
It works okay.
Easy, 23. They blow up to over 24.2
5:41 - it is 26.9, not 27.9
jk0000079 Yeah I noticed that too, the course measure was just under 27, so the vernier fine measure is 9.
Please Ronald Kuba learn how to use calippers
Malte Musfeldt if you can read them better while filming and looking through the phone, then why don't you do your own videos? Apparently I am not a super human like you...
That's not a nice thing to say back to someone who has pointed out your mistake.
First thing I have seen is the error in measurement.
26.95 to be more precise ; )
Just ride and have fun! Most of us are not pros. Most of us are not as good as our equipment. Stop obsessing.
Michael Chin I make my living out of riding and optimising bikes, so it helps to have some experience. Plus I am no 3W/kg punter either.
I got it. My turn to make a living out of riding is gone. I ride to live now. Thanks for your contribution.
This video isn't for you then. As simple as that
700x23 tyre size price and location
For my hybrid tyre, can i used 700 x 28c (brand kenda)
Girth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think about combination 23c in front and 25c in the rear?
he recommends it
Hi Ronald - I hope you are well. I'm a newbie and need some help understanding the data on the side of the Vittoria tyres. It shows 23-28" on the tyre sidewall - can you tell me what this means .. sorry I'm confused. Thanks in advance PC
Hi, 23mm - width, 28" - diameter
im planning on upgrading from 1.95 to 2.10 but i dont know how much wider that is
I have a giant ocr3 will 700cx28 fit originally has 26
I am 4’11.5 will I be able to ride?
Hi, may I know what's the C means? I've a hybrid bike with 700x28 size, so 700x28C suitable? So of all brands, Maxxis, CST, Continental & Kenda, which one will you recommend? Tq 🤔
mm milimeter
I have 700x25c can I put I bigger tier on it?
I have a set of 21mm tubular wheels, can I run 25mm.
Not if you want any kind of aero performance from them
I have a 23c tyre rim, can i replace the tyre only for 25c or 28c?
yes can, my first tyre is 700×40 .. after that i use 32 and now i use 25
Have you tríed fitting 28 mm tires on your trek madone? My local trek dealer hasent tríed but said to me that its not posible. Ive warn out two sets of the original bontrager R3 25mm and I would like to try a diferent set of tires and width. Thanks for your advice.
Isaac García no, there aren't many rim brake rims that would be wide enough for good aero with 28mm tires.
How inefficient in mph/kph would you say running the 25mm at 100psi compared to running the 28mm at 80psi on 25mm 88mm deep dish wheels? I have 25.2mm width 88mm depth wheels coming in the mail & i don't know whether to run 25mm conti 4000 IIs or 28mm conti 4000 IIs. If the difference is less than .1 mph~ between them i wouldnt be too concerned as the 28mm are the exact same rolling resistance at 80psi as the 25mm at 100psi. In my personal experience I gain about 30% more overall comfort from road vibrations & bumps with the 20 less psi & extra tire material offered by the 28mms. Could this be something i could test?
25,2mm external width is quite narrow, as the rim has to be at least 105% of the tire width to achieve optimal aerodynamics. I would say 23mm are going to be fastest, with 25mm as a good middle ground. 28mm tires need at least 30mm external rim width to achieve the desired flow characteristics.
check out this link for specific numbers:
silca.cc/blogs/journal
thanks bro.
Ronald Kuba Ah, no. 23's are not going to be faster in any configuration except Perhaps, Perhaps on a track and a tire drum in a controlled lab but NOT on real roads in the real world. #janheine
Flying Lap Productions exactly.
Like I don’t get how people aren’t riding 28mm tires in the year 2017?
There is a difference between the height of the tire 700x25 vs 700x28, I ask why I have space on the sides of my frame, but not much above and I am currently 25 and I want to change to 28. thanks
Yes
Can I put a 700 x 19/24 tube in a 25mm tire? Is there any risk/performance decrease by doing this? Reason for asking is it seems to be easier/cheaper to find latex tubes in this smaller size.
Gianmarco Puglisi it's perfectly fine
perfectly fine until you patch it. it'll be lighter, and it'll stretch to match the size, but when you patch it then when you re-inflate it it'll stretch more than the patch and in time the patch might pull away from the inner tube itself. should be fine to get you home, at which point you'd likely replace the tube with a new one.
Thanks for video. However, you measured 26,9 mm ruclips.net/video/HJyvVwymT6M/видео.html
Nice review bro. Do you think Vittoria graphene 23c vittoria is faster than the 25c? 25c show better performance in rolling résistance and a extra comfort
thanks for the question. According to bicyclerollingresistance.com the Corsa Speed is the fastest tire currently on the market, regardless of size or type. If you compare two identical models in 23 and 25mm, then the larger one is going to have less rolling resistance, but you can only benefit from this if your rim and tire widths are dialled, aerodynamically speaking.
www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/vittoria-corsa-speed-2016
come on man, get real, the only person that could probably feel the difference in ride is Lance Armstrong, and then he might have trouble tellin the difference, so come on man.
como reparas las tubulares de un pinchazo . saludos
pones liquido sellante, si no funciona, los cambias y ya está
Cannot understand his accent
guys what is this craze about comfort? are you living on a bike? bike ride should be a unconfortable thing.