I put out a season 6 questions video to follow up on some of what's discussed here. ruclips.net/video/NUMg8NThH9M/видео.html Season 5 changes from the book ruclips.net/video/A6nmP8CgK14/видео.html Season 5 End Credits scene explained ruclips.net/video/5hL6_VkJqXo/видео.html Let me know where you think things are heading in the expanse, and how the season 5 finale influenced your thinking.
Amos' role has grown and grown throughout the series. He's easily the most fascinating character now. He's gone from being a follower to a real leader, that potential was well hidden early on.
"hey boss, remember when you threatened to kill me when I was with the martians?" "yes" "was that for real?" "yeah, but a lot has changed" "so, no hard feelings for that?" "of course not" "I liked to talk with you, thanks... COME HERE PEACHES, is al right" And I died of laughter
@@crashstudi0s Yeah she would be a good soldier to help Amos and Holden away from the ship too. Im thinking the pilot from Season 5 will stay with them and be their new pilot.
The funny thing is, that Detective Miller hinted the possibility to "throw rocks" at the inners to disstract them from the real plan back in the first book ^^
"I have a file with 900 pages of analysis and contingency plans for war with Mars, including fourteen different scenarios about what to do if they develop an unexpected new technology. My file for what to do if an advanced alien species comes calling is three pages long, and it begins with "Step 1: Find God." "
It was the most spectacular episode of all, the initial battle had me transfixed. The best sci-fi series I've ever watched, period. I'll start reading the book while waiting for the sixth season. Also, this channel is my first stop after each episode. Nice work!
Agree I loved the battles! I did honestly have to watch it a second time to fully see what was going on. The shots were a little fast but watching it a second time really helped
yup that's what I'm doing . can't wait lol . so once I'm caught up . I'll more than likely go back and start reading from the beginning , Books adapted to TV will be different , so I need to read Corey's raw material . nice review Pete . I'll keep checking in here ;D thanks mate for the reviews and insights for this season , btw without me checking have you been reviewing this show from the start ?
First, we get an unfinished joke about the three human communities, then we do get the punchline several episodes later, only to conclude them all on a bar at last. Loved it.
From what i heard from others is that the protomolecule builders were either a level 2 or a level 3 civilization on the Kardashev scale and they were wiped out by a type 4 civilization.
eh...not exactly.... The Builders would definitely be at least mid tier type II on the Kardashev scale, as they had not harnessed the power of the ENTIRE galaxy [that we know of...if in book 9 they find gates to other gate hubs that take them to other galaxies, this puts them at a full type III by my estimation] because they could only go to star systems where there were planets that could support the protomolecule creating a ring [star systems with no planets, or the wrong materials, or too energetic a star that would destroy the PM en route are not viable]. Of course there are things in book 8 that put them on the mid to high end of a type II but I won't spoil them. As for what killed them...not sure they fit anywhere on the scale as we perceive it...but discussing it would also involve some serious spoilers. From what we have seen so far, we don't know if they do what they do or can do because its just a natural ability, or if its because they have "harnessed the energy" to put them on the Kardashev scale. Remember the scale relates to how much energy has been harnessed by a civilization...we don't even know if the killers have harnessed the power of their own star system, just that they were able to kill the builders and the builders tried burning out systems and quarntine, which could be the end result of some kind of plague, and not even a civilization.
Especially because who the hell really knows exactly how much air can be inside her suit maybe she’s got a suit that’s too big and has more air than usual
Minotaur1501 ! Whole season was rough. There was as much action in the entire season as there is in one episode of previous seasons. Huge let down for me.
@@DavidKnowles0 I mean it fits the narrative and the books better. Standard kill the old, the protagonists have a choice to grow in to/evolve the status quo. Plus in the book Fred Johnson doesn't survive the confrontation with the belter strike fleet
Pete, I just want to say how much I enjoy these explanations. You do a great job and are an excellent communicator. You greatly enhance the understanding and depth of the series. Thanks for your efforts.
I picked up on it after Drummer woke up with the guy, then went to sleep with the girl. Certainly, when both the guy and girl kissed and slept together. There was also a hint at one point when Serge caressed the other guy around the time when they were all together deciding to side with Marco. But overall, it was obvious and refreshing. . . The show takes place in the 24th century. It's easy to understand that all this largely believed idea of thinking monogamy is the way, that the world has now, is archaic and evolved. I'm just anxiously waiting for when Amos has a sexual/romantic evolvement with a guy 😂. It's been hinted, and a near miss, in previous seasons. Now, I know they are just dangling the carrot in front of us, while we wait for it do drop. And drop hot and heavy I hope 😉.
It makes a lot of sense. My head cannon is that in belters ship, privacy is hard to maintain. And loooong journeys in space with limited numbers of potential mates makes selective sex difficult.
Me too, and I think it feels like it was forced in for some "reasons" because it's unnecessary for the story and being on a ship/station for a longer time doesn't make you automatically a polyamorous swinger.
Enjoy ... I read them all in about 3 months about a year ago ... I can't wait until November 2021 and #9 the last The Expanse book ever, but also sad that it's coming to an end ... the Novellas are worth looking at too ... The Churn gives Amos's entire back story if want to understand his relationship with Lydia & how he escaped being on basic.
I have to say that your analysis paralysis of The Expanse has helped my wife and I completely comprehend everything. There are so many things that we missed in the series, and watching your videos helped us get how incredibly complicated yet wonderful this series is.
I’ve just binged the entire season 1-5 over 10 days and my goodness it was WONDERFUL. A superb realisation of the future and characterisation on a par with the Wire ie there’s no black and white here it’s more many many shades of grey. Marco is more of a traditional baddie but still enjoyed the tense climax in this season.
@@kenbrenner750 i thought it was people from conventions and not staff. the woman lead him on cause let's be honest. cas wanted some poon. she didn't, but kept going to see cas. obviously i don't know the whole story but from what i read they just wanted to get rid of him to protect their image.
As a non-book reader viewer there was A LOT of information to try to process in the back side of Episode 10. A bit too much I would say, but videos such as this help a bunch. Thanks
I'll miss Alex in the show, he was such a unique character. An ex-martian pilot, a south-asian who is basically a space cowboy - accent, musical preference, attitude and all, a man who genuinely seemed to care not just about his crew, but everyone; but especially those he felt he needed to protect. The scenes where he went back into the simulation over and over to see if there was any way to save the people who were lost in the landing pod definitely showed that side of him and how frustrated and responsible he felt. He was also just an all around fun character to watch, in any situation.
I did not understand that Drummer's crew was a polyamorous family. My wife and I both did not get that just by watching the show. That adds a lot more weight to their crewmate/hubby getting spaced. I appreciate the explanation.
Drummer and all this Belters polyamorous stuff... I mean 4 seasons of the Expanse and this was never even mentioned and so it just felt forced into the season... like the 3rd season was full of religious bullshitterey (the worst season so far from Expanse). Just like if there were people who said: "We have to add these ideologic, policital topics into the series somehow."
Have to agree with Drummer. Essentially they were conquered slaves at the mercy of Marco who hasn’t any mercy. No way to live and the only way to get free.
@@richardpagel6959 I don't feel that they've forced polyamory into the story. Heinlein introduced the idea in "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress", where lunar families are organised this way due to the harsh and vastly different lunar environment. Belters in the Expanse are quite reminiscent of the lunar colonists in Heinlein's book.
I, for one, will miss Alex and nobody should forget that without his tireless efforts, this show would have died when sysfy cancelled it. He was the main driving force to keep it going. Not ignoring what he did, but give credit when credit is due and scorn when it is due.
George Washington owned slaves but we still admire him for being such a great statesman. People arent only good or bad. I think this series shows that very much. Alex saved the series and for that I will forever be grateful but I will swear on this name for what he has done to all these women.
@@MK-rw1on He sent creepy messages lol. Unless he assaulted any of them my sympathy for the girls is very low. He lost his job, they got likes and re tweets.
@@89DerChristian the only story is heard was of one girl who had access to his property and went there often, i dont know why some stranger comes to live at your place if you're not intimate with them and i the messages was of him complaining about her not getting physical with him while taking advantage of staying at his place
I seem to remember in episode 1 or 2 (during a UN council meeting) that apparently some colony ships had gone missing...wonder if this wasn't just down to belter pirate activity...but instead because of some of them going 'Dutchman'. I hated the rogue MCRN....but still...that's a horrific way to die.....I wonder if they were even aware of what was happening to them?
In the books its described as though they cease to see through their eyes, so I think they were aware of it while it was happening, but they had no idea what it was - sort of like trying to describe what its like to take a shitload of acid while you're being mauled by a viscious bear that wants to shatter every atom of you. I wouldn't know but it would be such an alien and violent thing I can't think of any alternatives that might fit.
Heh I didn't know that was them dying. I just taught that's how it looks like when you pass through a ring, since none of the previous season really showed the passing. Just a ship on the one side of a ring gate and then popping on the other side but not what happens in between.
It was gut-wrenching watching her try everything she could to try to warn them. All the setbacks, failures, the lack of air, how bad she must have felt the whole time because of the "space walk" and being the lure for her family to die. It was exhausting, and that last scene of her signing to Alex was magnificent. It broke my heart though that Alex died.
It really is not the same. Marco wanted to control the ring so that nobody can colonize it. He did it because he knows that the belt and its people is done for: with new habitable planets, nobody will need the resources from the belt anymore. And since belters body often reject the anti gravity treatment it means the belters cannot colonize the habitable worlds, and those who can turns into normal people within a generation, which means the belt will go the way of Mars but in a much worse way. Nobody needs the belt at this point. If the belt evaporated the next day, nobody will care - except that there will be less piracy between the gate and the inner planets. On the other hand Avasarala want to control the ring so people can colonize the planets without causing the next Black Death event which is usually the biggest issue with colonizing a brand new biome.
I kind of liked how Alex met Sauveterre instead of Duarte. In the books, he seemed awfully suspicious from the moment we first met him; and I was worried how the show would portray Duarte without giving his intentions away. But, considering how extremely secretive and carefully precise Duarte is about making long term plans, it makes sense that he would try to remain a boring, ignorable background character up until the Laconians broke away from the Solar System. Heck, he hid his intentions on a large scale by pinning the system's focus on Marco. I could see him doing the exact same on a small scale as well.
I could have sworn that it was Duarte on screen in that final scene. I don't know if they mentioned Duarte, or if I just mentally filled that in when I saw they were going to Laconia. When they went Dutchman, I was just like why are they screwing up the story for the future.
@@justgivemethetruth The term "Laconia" dates back to the times of antiquity, used to describe land in Greece inhabited by the Spartan peoples (ie Laconians), after that the term is used for someone who is used to living under harsh and simple conditions.
The thing I hate about season 5 is a few episodes with needlessly long filler scenes and then very rushed episode 10 which in my opinion should have played out in at least 2 episodes.
@@yeetbaljeeet5435 That was because of the actor (Cas Anvar) being kicked off the show shortly after shooting was done for being a sexually assaulting piece of garbage. He wasn't meant to die, and killing him off was a last-minute fix.
@@AuralAlliance Exactly. They had to go back and film some new scenes to explain his sudden absence. I like where Holden gently touches Alex's name on the plaque showing lost crew. It's a sign that the actor Cas is missed by the cast. Whatever about his failures in his personal life, he was a very good actor and character in the show and will be missed from that perspective.
It's taken me 3 days to realize this, but Drummer didn't kill Karal, I think, because she wanted to swap her for Serge. So Oksana blaming it all going wrong & Serge dying isn't fair, but Drummer didn't bother arguing the point I'm making. Oh well.
That sounds reasonable, but how would they have even done the swap, the level of trust between the two groups being so bad, and Marco being such a psycho?
Fuck Oksana. She's the reason Serge was even on Marcos ship and the reason Karal was on her ship. Drummer should have gotten rid of her and Bertold a long time ago.
@National Socialism I really hated how the "number 2" lady on that ship behaved in a way to "protect Drummer". She constantly wanted her to kneel to oppressor Marco. She made her give away her gun even though she seen she is struggling. Good friend would back her up, tell her that they need to stay low for a while but they will fight back later, that nothing is changed, that Marco is the bad guy. And this lady done all her moves in a way to even more destabilize Drummer's emotions and mental power.
Forgive me, I'm not up to date on all the news, but why did they kill him off? Was his death not in the books? I really liked his character and I'm going to miss him, but Game of Thrones has toughened me up to main character deaths.
@@Woodchuckk Cass Anvar had some "misconduct" charges outside the show with some ladies. As far as I know he is not denying it so the show had to cut him loose. They chose to alter the storyline to fit "reality" and so... the Roci loses its pilot to a stroke.
Avasarala and Drummer have been ICONS in this season and previous seasons. I love their character archs and you see their vulnerability more this season. I'm glad it didn't all bank on the chosen one theme with Holden. Seeing Bobbie hit rock bottom and then bounce back showed many of her layers
@@GerdionXT I would recommend starting at the start since there are minor differences after the first one that might confuse you a little, especially later on. Bear in mind that with season 5 finale we are already beginning to see some major shifts. But if you really don't want to read them all, I would suggest you read book 5 and then 6 so you're at least up to speed on what happened before that part of the story, otherwise some characters are different, some are dead already and some aren't dead yet and you'll have a hard time enjoying it.
Pete, I have been watching your videos on my TV. As a result, I haven’t been able to leave comments. Your series of videos about Season 5 was just fantastic. Thank you so very much. Season 5 was yet another pinnacle of achievement for The Expanse. The acting! The woman playing Karal was fascinating in her portrayal. But so was Marco as the mad genius. That being said, the crown of achievement goes to Naomi. The fact that this entire cast is overlooked for awards is shameful. I am not at all curious about TV, especially in this age of too many options. I look forward to your future videos stirring my interest to possibly investigate new shows or films.
Stephen, this was most definitely rock-bottom for the series. Season 5 was very nonsensical, immersion breaking and full of filler that puts generic soap operas to shame. Let's hope Season 6 focuses on the areas and characters that we actually care about.
@@unwokeneuropean3590 alex literally was fired because he assaulted underage woman. Watch your step man. Trust me, I get your frustration w Naomi crying for 7 episodes because I was frustrated too. But all that was meant to build up to the last episodes desperate plunge into space. It was supposed to frustrate you because that was the mood. It’s sad you watched a whole character arc and it went above your head because of your bias and ignorance
@@Angarsk100 lol much deeper than that. If she just jumped out of the spaceship on episode 3 then it wouldn’t have the dramatic effect it had on the finale. Lord knows we were all tired of seeing Naomi in that spaceship. And that was the point. She was frustrated and we were all frustrated. Even when she jumped out I was like finally and end to this arc... then I saw her doing the hand signs, I heard Bobbie hit her in the silence of space... And I cried. Literally. Because I felt so relieved. It took me days to process what I saw and why I was so emotionally invested in that scene even tho I thought I loathed the Naomi arc... I cried? Well I figure that’s the beauty of the scene🤷🏽♂️
@@unwokeneuropean3590 alex departure is sad. we can all be grateful for what he has done for the series but I will swear on his name till the end of time for what he has done to all those women.
its still up in the air. i think ive said before that while she can pilot a ship, bull has combat experience. wouldnt doubt that both actors are in flexible contracts, so they can go either way as needed. its also hinted, in season 3 that bobbie can pilot as well. so it will be interesting to see who ends up flying the rocci.
Problem being Bull said he was an adequate pilot, nothing more. Peaches is a superior pilot, albeit lacking combat experience. Peaches sliding in like she did is FAR too slick and annoying. Bobbi would complete the quadrinity but since she became Martian/ UN liaison, dont think thats going to.........fly. However it goes, Alex's Mag boots are way too big to fill.
@@travisspazz1624 Heard that. My series collections always tend to be a hodgepodge of Hardcover, paperback, over various printings. I either dont have the patience to wait for the full series or if it has been out, not the coin to buy the proper set.
Peaches would be a kick-ass pilot. Her sister was a great pilot and she probably grew up trying to get out of her shadow and is a great, if not better, pilot because of it!!
i think peaches is a good pilot considering she wanted to take over the racing team for julie when she quit so she definitely has experience. i think bull is too stubborn and he has no connection to the crew whatsoever. at least peached cares for amos and amos cares the other two so she will do her best as a pilot.
@@89DerChristian how about you use a fair comparison? you're not plucking someone who drove f1 yesterday and throwing him in the tank to figure it out. she has been with roci for months while being transported back to earth for her trial. which is why she and amos built a relationship when she helped him out. she is more familiar with that ship than you think. alex wasn't really a gunship pilot either. he said he was transport, a "glorified bus driver", his words not mine. alex is the best comparison that debunks your silly comparison. controls on the expanse ships vary but are mostly similar which is why all the pilots can usually figure out how to fly a ship they've never piloted. so yea in the expanse, i would trust the "f1 driver" to pilot my tank.
@@AccordGG1 I got the impression from the books that "glorified bus driver" was driving something like the Roci with Marines special forces on-board, getting them to where they needed to go and picking them up again and avoiding being seen. So it was "glorified bus driving" because engaging things wasn't really part of the mission profiles.
Yes...the Epstein Drive, people floating naked through space and surviving, traveling through vast distances of space within minutes, ring gates to other galaxies/systems, the protomolecule, super powered mutants that are kept in an underground prison, humans living on the Moon/Mars/Asteroid Belt, said humans at war with each other, etc, etc, etc... Yes...this show is VERY close to reality.
@@vimalcurio Liking the show, and believing everything in the show to be accurate to reality...are two completely different things. I'm a Sci-Fi junkie: I like good, bad, goofy, big budget, and cheap Sci-Fi. But the nature of the genre, is for the viewer to have some suspension of disbelief.
The only one of those things forbidden by modern physics is the ring gates and the protomolecule. Considering we haven’t even invented a fusion drive yet I think it’s too early to rule out Epstein drives. You can survive in space for about 90 seconds without a suit. Humans living around the solar system and fighting each other is definitely possible and I would say fairly likely for the future.
@@cmorillo2865 Is what they said to soften the blow with the fans. No doubt they knew about it before making their decision. All of the characters had plot armor, and suddenly with this in season 5, he dies from a stroke. A bit too convenient.
@@cmorillo2865 He is alive in the books so I am pretty sure his abuse sealed the actor's fate on the show. The rumor is they brought everyone back to do reshoots once the investigation finished and it proved the actor was guilty of abuse.
Laconia looks pretty established with all those lights. I was wondering if there was a time jump. Maybe it was the protomolecule? I am interested to see what becomes of the Laconian civilization messing with the protomolecule. Crazy martians on a planet with atmosphere with something they can't begin to understand. I think when the ship went dutchmen the beings (aliens or whatever that is) is studying the ship and the people. The protomolecule breaks things down to individual components so it's possible this works in a similar way. Perhaps it's an antiprotomolecule? Maybe it's a weapon from the builders that went out of control?
I'm waiting on the last book and despite coming to some understanding of what causes it, the actual things and indeed the whole ring space remains an absolute mystery.
I'm pretty sure most of the stuff on Laconia has been there for a bazillion years, and the protomolecule sample is waking it up, just like on New Terra. In an episode last season we saw a screen showing the Martian conspirators were involved in a ring gate survey, so they probably picked Laconia for a reason.
@@steriopticon2687 'we saw a screen showing the Martian conspirators were involved in a ring gate survey" where is that? in the last episode?? I feel like I have to watch this and pause every couple of frames to get EVERYTHING that is being put out, said and shown.
We're able to break the strict POV style of the book and explore what's happening on the other side of the gates. I'm feeling a lot better about ending with S6 if they continue checking in on Laconia.
They did alex's character fucking dirty. It was so out in left field i couldn't even be shocked i was just bewildered and kinda angry at how bad his death was. It honestly made me not want to finish the episode.
It was so sudden I had to do a double take, unfortunately Cas being a creep on set forced the shows hand and probably came up with a quick way to kill his character.
@@arandajose20 he was never a creep on set first of all. the women involved were from conventions and shit. second, the woman who was involved kept going over to his house to see him when he was trying to get laid. i don't think he forced himself on anyone. just some BS texts that stated he wanted to get freaky yet she kept entertaining him and lead him on. both are wrong obviously but to be fired over something that happened off set and to someone who was never involved with the show just makes me think how quick triggered they are to protect their image by doing the "right thing".
Whatever Alex's actor did, they've handled it poorly. It was totally immersion breaking to see how the character died and how that was interpreted by the others. Totally weird. They should've praised the character for what he did, and they could've done that without praising the actor.
I'm thinking that by the time the information came out they may have already completed the shooting for all episodes, and changing the story required re-filming. Concluding the episode the way they did may have required minor writing of the script and re-filming only a small amount. I have no idea how it was actually handled, and have not been able to find out details, but that seems to explain everything in the most logical way possible. Also, I have not read the books, so not at all sure if this subject was covered in the books. Might be interesting to find that out as well... But ya, it did make for an odd and seemingly fractured ending...
@@BryantHayward67 well here is a better way: maybe have the Razorback destroyed so its obvious and we dont have a still frame shot cobbled together. If you see a ship destroyed from outside you know, but if someone is sitting there staring with someone calling their name you kind of dont.
Interesting stuff. I never read the books. Just came in to The Expanse a year or so back. Now is time to go back and read the whole thing before Season 6 drops, I reckon.
@@mikerodrigues9822 Literally just plot armor, nothing else. It makes no sense for an assassin like that to stop shooting after the first target is down.
The unprovoked MURDER of Alex shall not be forgiven. There is tying up your loose ends because you can't make as many season as you want... and then there is shooting your show in the god damned HEART.
One thing that I wish they had explained more was the attack on the Martian Parliament. How big was the attack? Were many if any killed? Not having read the book, is the only thing so far that left me a bit wondering about that event.
Same with that last battle at the ring-gate. Series writers are getting lazy these days. They just assume people will get on line and figure it out or make something up, so they don't even try. I guess that is the Ridley Scott:Alien strategy? ;-)
Yeah, almost no coverage of the attack on Mars or the scope of the disaster on earth. When they all met up on Luna in the bar and all were dressed nice and drinking in a relaxed atmosphere, I wondered what about Earth? Is the planet dying? Is it an extinction event? If so, where will their food come from? And not having read the books, the battle scenes are difficult to follow. For one thing, the battle scenes are quick and the ships look somewhat similar. It's dark like the GOT attack by the Night King's dead army. I'll have to read book 6 so I have a better idea what's going on next season.
As a person who has not read the books, everything in the show was perfectly clear except the Barkeith ending. I did not understand that it got "destroyed" or it disappeared. My understanding was that the entities we saw are just there passing through everything as ghosts but the people on board do not see them. Holden once said that he could "feel" them when he passes through the ring so I assumed this is what happens all the time when you pass through, those entities pass through everyone and Holden felt that while others do not.
I didn't think any show could bypass the peak moments of the rebooted Battlestar Galactica, but sure enough this series has done so consistently. It helps when you have a stellar series of books to base it on plus the original writers running the writers' room.
I am really enjoying your videos. As a fan of the show, your videos do a great job recapping and explaining what happened. Thanks for making these videos, and keep up the great work.
@@vimalcurio with Fred's original death It made sense since he is older and so his body is no longer able to hold up to high g manoeuvres. The TV show death was a big surprise since in the books Fred survived the coup and left Tycho station in command of Bull, the book version of Camina Drummer. The expanse is weird, in some ways it's a faithful adaptation and in others it throws huge curve balls as it attempts to tie multiple plot threads to as few people as possible. Yet despite all the changes it still feels like a really well thought out faithful adaptation and in some ways is even better than the books
@@EnterpriseKnight I hear more believable allegations with regards to the Game of Thrones directors but power plays differently at the top, eh? in any case, I just don't know but it's far more likely to be a populist move on part of the owning studio than actual blame with the actor
@@Dan-uf2vh He only got fired after an independant investigation that the studio started . It's what i've read across multiple sites. So if that's true they give him the benefit of the doubt before firing him.
@@Dan-uf2vh Dear keyboard warrior Dan. Maybe next time inform yourself properly first, because most studios don't just launch an independent investigation and let an actor go without proof and based on a single accusation. This is not even remotely comparable to Johnny Depp's case. It was many women, including people who have worked with him on set, and a former director. Maybe consider being less of a turd next time.
This episode just kept giving. I got far too excited when they officially mentioned Admiral Duarte! And that end scene with the ship going ‘Dutchman’, what a great send off for S5!
I’m so excited for season 6. I can’t put it into words. The show took the turn back out through the ring that I wanted it to. I don’t even want to speculate TOO much because I like surprises. (A little speculation is fun, though) 😉
@@PetePeppers1 how much of book's story telling changed in this season 5? it kinda looks like it pretty much stayed on track (from the way you describe it) barring some minor details.
@@niraj_dave Plenty of details are different, having read the book first I still had plenty of surprises but like previous seasons the show is pretty faithful to the broad strokes of the books while having a lot of difference in the details, sometimes huge details. Killing Alex off in season 5 was of course a very big departure to the books but that's influenced by Cas Anvar being fired for harassing women basically so I'm really excited to see how the handle that in season 6. We also got a lot less of James Holden being bored and investigating disappearing ships at Tycho before things start escalating but honestly that was probably for the better since that would have messed up the pacing of the show I think.
@@maiaemmett2399 wow..thanks..yeah and I figured Alex character was gonna be off based on what I had heard...so I guess his ending seems fitting in this context.
@@niraj_dave I think the biggest difference (beside everything about Drummer, she's been an amalgamation of characters since the start) is in the Alex/Bobbie story: instead of following rogue martian ships they had to save the martian prime minister from some free navy's ships (and then they saved Naomi, but Bobbie was surfing on a torpedo!).
I’ve read all 8 core books & 1 supporting. Great reads. Mind candy for my sci-fy soul. A good book to screen effort by The Expanse writing team. Sad that the real life events led to a significant alternative re the character Alex. The character Drummer is a good gathering of a few book characters. How Drummer connected with Holden in episode 10 was a good alternate to the book. The dropping of the Mars backstory from the TV season 5 is unfortunate but workable for me. Sadly the humour I was looking for re Amos & Peaches getting on the moon & on to the Roci was lost in the need to deal with the... Alex event. Still a great show. Not seeing how they can justify ending it with just one more season.
I guess you mean you've read the 8 books already published (and maybe some of the novellas). We are all waiting for the 9th book to be available in a few months.
@@aaronia8092 Hi, Persepolis Rising is the last one I’ve read. Your right I may have tossed in one of the supporting efforts. Looking forward to the next & possibly last. Sad that all good things must come to an end.
Hey, Pete! Thank you for your video & your channel! You cleared up a number of things for me. I haven't read any of the books but I love the series. Great work! Mark
Ok. I haven't read the books but this is my take on the ship disappearing. From what I could gather/remember from Holden's cryptic conversations about the ring builders etc, and the fight that was going to happen in Season 2? when they all wanted to go through the ring, the protomolecule would only allow peaceful people through the ring. If it found a warlike people it would destroy everything in it's path. Holden told everyone to power down their weapons. When they did, all the ships were allowed to pass through safely. Ships have been passing through the rings since but some have disappeared. What if the makers/destroyers, whatever they are, made the ring gates sense hostile intention. Some ships were only going to colonise, maybe others had more warlike intent, and those disappeared. The main Martian battlecruiser had the main architects of evil on it. The ring sensed that and destroyed them. The ring has always been blue. The second I saw the red swirl I felt it was obvious that the ring saw them as evil, and so destroyed them.
i read book 7,8,9. without spoiling i can tell you that you were not correct:) regarding holden telling everyone to power down the weapons it is related to the "slow zone station" recognizing whether the manking is a foe. but it is not related to the "going dutchman" events
With the Chetzmoka spinning/spiralling, the centrifugal force should have thrown her away from the ship, not ended up in the middle of the spiral. We see the helmet roll towards the airlock, so that direction is outwards. Also, the only way Naomi could have ended up in the middle of the spiral would have been for her to jump towards the center, counteracting the centrifugal G force. That would not have been enough to cause a "high G burn" for the Screaming Firehawk to dock.
Yeah, trying to figure that stuff out kind of threw me for a loop too. I totally stopped thinking about it when Bobbys voice was being transferred through Naomis helmet. Good catch, I will try and figure it out better when I watch it again.
The way I imagined it was that when she jumped out of the ship it was only her inertial force moving her though space (so in theory she would continue in that direction for ever - or until she hit something or gravitational force). But when she jumped out of the ship due to the spin the ship was in, rather than the ship rotating, it was spinning along a line like a spin ball with the rod being down the middle of the coarse the ship was heading and the ship flying around that rod with the door always facing towards the rod (middle). Similar to how the moon orbits the earth, with one side always facing the earth. Naomi would have eventually continued past the other orbit side of the ship (at risk of being hit by the ship again) and then would have been outside the orbit of the ship. But at this stage she would have been dead. (due to running out of O)
I have some questionable physics problems with this as well, like Bobbie said it was a short burst, and that meant to me that it stopped, but for the ship to continue in a spiral, you'd still need that thruster to be firing, right? I mean, after the inital burst once it's gone the drive would just push the ship in the forward direction.
Yeah, good catch. Also the maneuvering thruster is nothing compared to the main drive, so the curve would be very shallow even if the thruster was firing continuously until it runs out of propellant. Furthermore, its trajectory would not be a spring-like cylindrical spiral, it would be an expanding one, since the ship is being accelerated by the main drive.
As much as I would have loved to have seen Bobbi surfing that missile, I thought the Naomi rescue scene was amazing & I was on the edge of my seat for it
In an episode I was not crazy about, that was a really good scene. But then I like any scene with Roberta "Bobby" Draper ... for some reason I just love her accent and she is so adorable. Also loved that scene where she popped out of the airlock blasting the pirate Belters away.
Yeah I remember being excited about the idea of them showing that when I was reading the book but I'm honestly happier with what we got, it was all around more powerful.
@@justgivemethetruth I really fucking disliked her character when she was first introduced. A chubby, awkward actor that was supposed to be a martian marine. I'm not trying to fatshame, but the detail of her not being in tip-top fucking shape, in the sense of being true to what it would be to be a martian marine - in your best fucking shape. As well as myself not seeing any real authority in her when she was commanding/encouraging her fellow soldiers, I just found her awkward and unlikable. She's grown on me now, though.
Alex's death on the show came after the actor who played him was fired after a series of sexual misconduct allegations against him emerged in summer 2020.
@@jsalinasbarros Unsubstantiated. He was flirting, basically. But cancel culture doesn't care about facts. F Amazon for bending the knee and the showrunners for complying.
@@dlschgo yeah no, that's not how that works. First off, you don't get MULTIPLE allegations like that set against you "just because you flirted a bit". It's pretty clear there was more than that involved; after all we're talking about women here, and it's not like this whole "famous actor takes advantage of fan base" skit before. Second of all, Amazon is a private company. They can do what they want. When one of your employees becomes more trouble than he's worth (mainly in terms of bad PR), you're justified in letting them go, especially when we're talking about a job that involves being in the spotlight.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Alex jettison the Razercrest core to thwart a missile attack when discovered shadowing the martians? So, how are Bobbie and he galloping about in space and doing hard-burns?
When they "jettison a core" it means all the fusion materials are expelled at the same time, but not the engine itself. After a while, the reactor engine can get started again with the proper fuel and supporting electronic system.
Very good work on your summary and explanations, but I’m surprised that you voluntarily skipped over the Alex sudden death and removal from the show; especially when comparing to the books as you do very well. I haven’t read the books, but am very curious to see how they will work around Alex removal from the show, and still follow the general plot from the books. EDIT: Disregard my comment about Alex. You covered it in your other videos that followed that one. Thank you.
I think I have the advantage of not reading the books. because Innaros' terror towards Earth offered a feeling of awe I very rarely experience in shows. Absolutely brilliant!
Loved the final season until Alex was killed, that left me feeling like a real salty Samual. As far as I know Alex wasn't killed that way or at all in the book and the only reason they did it was because of certain sexual assault 'allegations' which had no evidence or grounds against Alex's actor. One of the writers say it was done to level the playing field and create more tension but I think that is bs. Hated that but overall it was great.
Nice recap bro. I did not read the books so it's nice getting that perspective. Question for you, or anyone who read the books, was Alex killed off in the books? It did not seem to make sense in the context. I would think if he did die it would have been something more involved than a stroke. I read it was some sort of issue with the cast where the producers felt he needed to go. Anyway, looking forward to more Expanse content. Such a great show. I'm going back to watch it all again. Well done!!
Seems like the Roci needs a Martian now. Maybe Bobbie joins the Roci? We don't know any other Martians enough to trust them. But Bobbie probably has a role in book 6 with Avasarala. Bull could fill in the Alex/pilot role, but that makes the Roci crew 3 Earthers and 1 Belter. Not sure if Peaches also joins the Roci crew, but she's another Earther. I've only read through book 5. Starting book 6 now that season 5 is over.
Pete - I'll echo what David S said yesterday in that I really enjoy and appreciate your dissection and explanations of each episode. Your work fills in a lot of gaps for me, as I have not read the books (yet). Please keep up the great work! Can't wait for Season 6 and am hoping the series continues beyond.
👍🏼 weaving all the threads together, excellent synopsis. Since I have been reading books 5-7 while watching season 5, my memories of both mix and mingle. But that last scene of the alien sky monster structure! Woah!
“And then there were three...” I’m looking at where we go from here as if I were playing The Expanse table-top RPG. Bull grew on me. I kind of hope he keeps the pilot’s seat. They may have foreshadowed that in the scene in the finale where he was drinking out of Alex’ cup. He sort of sighed, smiled and shook his head. It could be read a lot of ways without dialogue. Could’ve just been his way of paying respects to Alex, a comrade-in-arms he’d never met. Or he could’ve been thinking to himself “I can’t believe I’m going to do this.” He said he only went to work for Tycho because Fred offered him the job and he was broke. If Bull is the new pilot, there’s no Martian presence on the Roci, the symbol of UNN-MCRN-OPA unity. So I think Bobbie will be aboard for most of Season 6. I keep going back to that weapons cache she has on Mars. All that Martian weaponry and tech should be compatible with the Roci. And it’d put Clarissa to work installing it all. She’d asked her seller about “Stealth missiles - those are first strike weapons.” She was never shown actually getting any, but that’s too juicy a thing to mention once, and then never bring back up. Now that we’re all allies, Bobbie and Bull can argue over who would’ve won if the MCRN and UNN Marines had ever gotten it on for real. Also still wonder about the roughly half (?) of the MCRN that DIDN’T defect to Laconia. What are they up to? Avasarala should lean on Tycho; an Earth Corp; to name Drummer to replace Fred. That gives the moderate OPA a presence in the belt, UNN protection, and gives Belters a choice others than Free Navy or nothing. Last, Holden isn’t exactly the ONLY one worried about the Protomolecule. He had Monica in his ear every time he tried to think about Naomi or anything else. She could be a useful character in Season 6, and I wonder how much of her we’ll see. Great taking the ride with you all season, Pete. Thank you and all our fellow Expanse obsessives for all the fun & conversation between seasons and episodes!
What's amazing about the Expanse is that it was hyped as a hard sci fi show, but despite that, they have gone science fantasy - cosmic Horror by the end of season 1, with hard sci fi elements. And it worked!!!
I put out a season 6 questions video to follow up on some of what's discussed here. ruclips.net/video/NUMg8NThH9M/видео.html
Season 5 changes from the book ruclips.net/video/A6nmP8CgK14/видео.html
Season 5 End Credits scene explained ruclips.net/video/5hL6_VkJqXo/видео.html
Let me know where you think things are heading in the expanse, and how the season 5 finale influenced your thinking.
Did Alex die like that in the books?
@@melanoidmarkus no, Fred did. Alex is still alive in the books.
@@melanoidmarkus Purely an artifact of the actor getting MeToo-ed.
@@steriopticon2687 What the hell happened??
@@melanoidmarkus Cas Anvar made the decision to intimidate girls he met at a sci-fi convention, including some underage, and got ousted for it.
Amos' role has grown and grown throughout the series. He's easily the most fascinating character now. He's gone from being a follower to a real leader, that potential was well hidden early on.
At first i saw him as the eventual antagonist to Holden. Boy was I wrong. He's a good guy. Just very broken.
And Alex was the glue of this team
@@unwokeneuropean3590 Killing off Alex was a mistake.
@@idanceforpennies281 he was killed cause of accusation sexual harassment, he doesn’t die in the books
@@quentinsirjean7655 More then likely bullshit, just like depp getting fired.
"hey boss, remember when you threatened to kill me when I was with the martians?" "yes" "was that for real?" "yeah, but a lot has changed" "so, no hard feelings for that?" "of course not" "I liked to talk with you, thanks... COME HERE PEACHES, is al right" And I died of laughter
Laughed out loud. Loved that scene.
Well now Alex has been Cancelled they need a new pilot. Perfect timing for Peaches.
@@RichSmithson But she's an electricity tecnician, no? Or engineer, can't remember. Why not keep around Bull, as he already showed some skill
@@crashstudi0s Yeah she would be a good soldier to help Amos and Holden away from the ship too. Im thinking the pilot from Season 5 will stay with them and be their new pilot.
@@RichSmithson I would like to see that, hope they do at least something interesting
The funny thing is, that Detective Miller hinted the possibility to "throw rocks" at the inners to disstract them from the real plan back in the first book ^^
To be fair - to throw asteroids to a enemy planet is kinda obvious if you think in interplanetary warfare frame of mind.
"I have a file with 900 pages of analysis and contingency plans for war with Mars, including fourteen different scenarios about what to do if they develop an unexpected new technology. My file for what to do if an advanced alien species comes calling is three pages long, and it begins with "Step 1: Find God." "
This is one of my favorite lines from Season 2
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 Too bad that it was in Season 2.
@@nonman3634 Now is 2
Avasarala
i.e. the Aliens who killed the Ring builders.
It was the most spectacular episode of all, the initial battle had me transfixed. The best sci-fi series I've ever watched, period. I'll start reading the book while waiting for the sixth season. Also, this channel is my first stop after each episode. Nice work!
Agree I loved the battles! I did honestly have to watch it a second time to fully see what was going on. The shots were a little fast but watching it a second time really helped
yup that's what I'm doing . can't wait lol .
so once I'm caught up . I'll more than likely go back and start reading from the beginning , Books adapted to TV will be different , so I need to read Corey's raw material .
nice review Pete . I'll keep checking in here ;D thanks mate for the reviews and insights for this season ,
btw without me checking have you been reviewing this show from the start ?
Enjoy the books they are amazing!
Might want to check out Battlestar Galactica. It's head and shoulders over the Expanse.
@@ericpowell4350 Yeah great series but Babylon 5 tops them all.
The Barkeith just got Etch-A-Sketched out of existence or something.
good one
Do you have to be old like me to know what an
Etch-a-sketch is?
Perfect reference by the way!
@@dankuchar6821 Theres digital versions of it nowadays 😂
@@Shadow__133
cool!
@@dankuchar6821 I fear so. Although some kids still think they are cool when they see them.
First, we get an unfinished joke about the three human communities, then we do get the punchline several episodes later, only to conclude them all on a bar at last. Loved it.
I didn't pick that up. Thanks.
From what i heard from others is that the protomolecule builders were either a level 2 or a level 3 civilization on the Kardashev scale and they were wiped out by a type 4 civilization.
eh...not exactly.... The Builders would definitely be at least mid tier type II on the Kardashev scale, as they had not harnessed the power of the ENTIRE galaxy [that we know of...if in book 9 they find gates to other gate hubs that take them to other galaxies, this puts them at a full type III by my estimation] because they could only go to star systems where there were planets that could support the protomolecule creating a ring [star systems with no planets, or the wrong materials, or too energetic a star that would destroy the PM en route are not viable].
Of course there are things in book 8 that put them on the mid to high end of a type II but I won't spoil them.
As for what killed them...not sure they fit anywhere on the scale as we perceive it...but discussing it would also involve some serious spoilers. From what we have seen so far, we don't know if they do what they do or can do because its just a natural ability, or if its because they have "harnessed the energy" to put them on the Kardashev scale. Remember the scale relates to how much energy has been harnessed by a civilization...we don't even know if the killers have harnessed the power of their own star system, just that they were able to kill the builders and the builders tried burning out systems and quarntine, which could be the end result of some kind of plague, and not even a civilization.
The scene of Naomi floating around the cetzymoka doing her hand signals was more believable than "gravity".
Especially because who the hell really knows exactly how much air can be inside her suit maybe she’s got a suit that’s too big and has more air than usual
cg was rough tho
Minotaur1501 ! Whole season was rough. There was as much action in the entire season as there is in one episode of previous seasons. Huge let down for me.
@@dominicklittle9828 I'm actually glad they were Conservative with the pacing. Rushing things did not end well for a certain HBO series.
totally faked us out. I WAS CONVINCED SHE WAS DEAD. Then they flipped it and had Kamal die from the hard burn.
"the moderate faction of the OPA has a Fred Johnson sized hole in it"
to be fulfilled by Drummer, who I presume they decided has a bigger fan base than Fred.
@@DavidKnowles0 I mean it fits the narrative and the books better.
Standard kill the old, the protagonists have a choice to grow in to/evolve the status quo.
Plus in the book Fred Johnson doesn't survive the confrontation with the belter strike fleet
Pete, I just want to say how much I enjoy these explanations. You do a great job and are an excellent communicator. You greatly enhance the understanding and depth of the series. Thanks for your efforts.
Try reading the books, degenerate.
I completely agree. Pete makes it all easier to enjoy and understand. Thank you Pete.
I honestly had no clue that Drummer's crew was written as a polyamorous family. I just thought they were chummy belters.
Here I thought it was refreshingly incredibly obvious lmao, they even refer to each other as spouses!
That makes sense from a biological standpoint as well. Further away from the sun, the necessity of warmth would make that type of family an ideal one.
I picked up on it after Drummer woke up with the guy, then went to sleep with the girl. Certainly, when both the guy and girl kissed and slept together. There was also a hint at one point when Serge caressed the other guy around the time when they were all together deciding to side with Marco. But overall, it was obvious and refreshing. . . The show takes place in the 24th century. It's easy to understand that all this largely believed idea of thinking monogamy is the way, that the world has now, is archaic and evolved.
I'm just anxiously waiting for when Amos has a sexual/romantic evolvement with a guy 😂. It's been hinted, and a near miss, in previous seasons. Now, I know they are just dangling the carrot in front of us, while we wait for it do drop. And drop hot and heavy I hope 😉.
It makes a lot of sense. My head cannon is that in belters ship, privacy is hard to maintain. And loooong journeys in space with limited numbers of potential mates makes selective sex difficult.
Me too, and I think it feels like it was forced in for some "reasons" because it's unnecessary for the story and being on a ship/station for a longer time doesn't make you automatically a polyamorous swinger.
I'm going to buy the books and quit waiting 11 months for the new season
You should absolutely check out the books. I listened to them all on audio, which is well done.
I have done the same myself, I'm about half way through book 4, it's well worth the little bit of money and time!
Yeah, same here. I just started book 1
Welcome to an epic journey mate!
Enjoy ... I read them all in about 3 months about a year ago ... I can't wait until November 2021 and #9 the last The Expanse book ever, but also sad that it's coming to an end ... the Novellas are worth looking at too ... The Churn gives Amos's entire back story if want to understand his relationship with Lydia & how he escaped being on basic.
I have to say that your analysis paralysis of The Expanse has helped my wife and I completely comprehend everything. There are so many things that we missed in the series, and watching your videos helped us get how incredibly complicated yet wonderful this series is.
I’ve just binged the entire season 1-5 over 10 days and my goodness it was WONDERFUL. A superb realisation of the future and characterisation on a par with the Wire ie there’s no black and white here it’s more many many shades of grey. Marco is more of a traditional baddie but still enjoyed the tense climax in this season.
Not happy with how they handled the death of Alex. It seemed to be, well, Alex died, oh well, so how was Earth?
They just wanted to remove Cas Anvar as quickly and simply as possible
I suspect a lot of people simply don't know what's been going on with the actor that prompted the speedy exit of "Alex".
Alex was sexually harassing the staff. He was a pervo
@@kenbrenner750 i thought it was people from conventions and not staff. the woman lead him on cause let's be honest. cas wanted some poon. she didn't, but kept going to see cas. obviously i don't know the whole story but from what i read they just wanted to get rid of him to protect their image.
@@AccordGG1 You should learn more of the story then.
As a non-book reader viewer there was A LOT of information to try to process in the back side of Episode 10. A bit too much I would say, but videos such as this help a bunch. Thanks
I'll miss Alex in the show, he was such a unique character. An ex-martian pilot, a south-asian who is basically a space cowboy - accent, musical preference, attitude and all, a man who genuinely seemed to care not just about his crew, but everyone; but especially those he felt he needed to protect.
The scenes where he went back into the simulation over and over to see if there was any way to save the people who were lost in the landing pod definitely showed that side of him and how frustrated and responsible he felt.
He was also just an all around fun character to watch, in any situation.
I did not understand that Drummer's crew was a polyamorous family. My wife and I both did not get that just by watching the show. That adds a lot more weight to their crewmate/hubby getting spaced. I appreciate the explanation.
I haven't read the books but I figured out the polyamory/polygyny angle from the off, mucky puppies.
Her character more-or-less superceded Michio from the books, who was polyamorous, so I suppose that makes sense.
Drummer and all this Belters polyamorous stuff... I mean 4 seasons of the Expanse and this was never even mentioned and so it just felt forced into the season... like the 3rd season was full of religious bullshitterey (the worst season so far from Expanse).
Just like if there were people who said: "We have to add these ideologic, policital topics into the series somehow."
Have to agree with Drummer. Essentially they were conquered slaves at the mercy of Marco who hasn’t any mercy. No way to live and the only way to get free.
@@richardpagel6959 I don't feel that they've forced polyamory into the story. Heinlein introduced the idea in "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress", where lunar families are organised this way due to the harsh and vastly different lunar environment. Belters in the Expanse are quite reminiscent of the lunar colonists in Heinlein's book.
I, for one, will miss Alex and nobody should forget that without his tireless efforts, this show would have died when sysfy cancelled it. He was the main driving force to keep it going. Not ignoring what he did, but give credit when credit is due and scorn when it is due.
George Washington owned slaves but we still admire him for being such a great statesman.
People arent only good or bad. I think this series shows that very much. Alex saved the series and for that I will forever be grateful but I will swear on this name for what he has done to all these women.
@@MK-rw1on He sent creepy messages lol. Unless he assaulted any of them my sympathy for the girls is very low. He lost his job, they got likes and re tweets.
@@william9170 What the fuck are you talking about. He used a position of power to target women both on set and in the fanbase.
@@89DerChristian the only story is heard was of one girl who had access to his property and went there often, i dont know why some stranger comes to live at your place if you're not intimate with them
and i the messages was of him complaining about her not getting physical with him while taking advantage of staying at his place
Fuck the showrunners for letting him die such a pathetic death. They didn’t have to take it out on a fictional character
I seem to remember in episode 1 or 2 (during a UN council meeting) that apparently some colony ships had gone missing...wonder if this wasn't just down to belter pirate activity...but instead because of some of them going 'Dutchman'.
I hated the rogue MCRN....but still...that's a horrific way to die.....I wonder if they were even aware of what was happening to them?
In the books its described as though they cease to see through their eyes, so I think they were aware of it while it was happening, but they had no idea what it was - sort of like trying to describe what its like to take a shitload of acid while you're being mauled by a viscious bear that wants to shatter every atom of you. I wouldn't know but it would be such an alien and violent thing I can't think of any alternatives that might fit.
@@widget3672 That's a good analogy...and...yikes! :s
The next and last line of the epilogue I was reading from
Book SPOILERS
Sauveterre did not notice his death.
Heh I didn't know that was them dying. I just taught that's how it looks like when you pass through a ring, since none of the previous season really showed the passing. Just a ship on the one side of a ring gate and then popping on the other side but not what happens in between.
@@wilfy4622 they showed Holden's perspective of passing through a ring at the end of season 3 though
Hoping Domonique gets an Emmy nomination. Her scenes were incredible.
It was gut-wrenching watching her try everything she could to try to warn them. All the setbacks, failures, the lack of air, how bad she must have felt the whole time because of the "space walk" and being the lure for her family to die. It was exhausting, and that last scene of her signing to Alex was magnificent. It broke my heart though that Alex died.
Her whole arc this season is crap.
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 How so?
@@OHJLM Too much family drama.
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 yeah i agree 😬i liked this season but it didnt hit the same as the last 4 seasons
The Irony is that Marco and Chrisjen wanted essentially the same thing, to control traffic through the ring gate.
It really is not the same.
Marco wanted to control the ring so that nobody can colonize it. He did it because he knows that the belt and its people is done for: with new habitable planets, nobody will need the resources from the belt anymore. And since belters body often reject the anti gravity treatment it means the belters cannot colonize the habitable worlds, and those who can turns into normal people within a generation, which means the belt will go the way of Mars but in a much worse way. Nobody needs the belt at this point. If the belt evaporated the next day, nobody will care - except that there will be less piracy between the gate and the inner planets.
On the other hand Avasarala want to control the ring so people can colonize the planets without causing the next Black Death event which is usually the biggest issue with colonizing a brand new biome.
I kind of liked how Alex met Sauveterre instead of Duarte. In the books, he seemed awfully suspicious from the moment we first met him; and I was worried how the show would portray Duarte without giving his intentions away. But, considering how extremely secretive and carefully precise Duarte is about making long term plans, it makes sense that he would try to remain a boring, ignorable background character up until the Laconians broke away from the Solar System. Heck, he hid his intentions on a large scale by pinning the system's focus on Marco. I could see him doing the exact same on a small scale as well.
Where does the term Laconian come from, and who is it referring to? Is that the term for the breakaway Martians?
they probably did it this way for casting purposes. they did it this way so they wouldn't have to retain actors.
@@justgivemethetruth its the name of the system they are colonizing. the books don't explain how the systems got their names.
I could have sworn that it was Duarte on screen in that final scene. I don't know if they mentioned Duarte, or if I just mentally filled that in when I saw they were going to Laconia. When they went Dutchman, I was just like why are they screwing up the story for the future.
@@justgivemethetruth The term "Laconia" dates back to the times of antiquity, used to describe land in Greece inhabited by the Spartan peoples (ie Laconians), after that the term is used for someone who is used to living under harsh and simple conditions.
The show will never be the same anymore without our trusty pilot Alex :(.
He should've kept his "joystick" in control
@@Orbitaga Another show ruined by Me-too movement. Oh well, show was turning into boring woke feelings show anyway.
@@retiefgregorovich810 imagine being this much of a piece of shit.
@Love You It really had that feeling for me. Joyous feeling wiped by heartbreak.
@@retiefgregorovich810 he sexually assaulted people, that’s not wokeness or me too, it’s just common decency!
I would love it if Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister from GoT) could play Admiral Duarte!
lol he's definitely the type. Interesting how even in some of the fanart for Dune's Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV, you see him being used.
Amos at the end with peaches was brilliant, his logic was spot on, so him lol
The thing I hate about season 5 is a few episodes with needlessly long filler scenes and then very rushed episode 10 which in my opinion should have played out in at least 2 episodes.
Yup then they could’ve actually leaned slower into Alex’s death instead of him being alive one scene then dead the next
@@yeetbaljeeet5435 That was because of the actor (Cas Anvar) being kicked off the show shortly after shooting was done for being a sexually assaulting piece of garbage. He wasn't meant to die, and killing him off was a last-minute fix.
@@AuralAlliance Exactly. They had to go back and film some new scenes to explain his sudden absence. I like where Holden gently touches Alex's name on the plaque showing lost crew. It's a sign that the actor Cas is missed by the cast. Whatever about his failures in his personal life, he was a very good actor and character in the show and will be missed from that perspective.
@@AuralAlliance Allegedly ;)
@@AuralAlliance allegedly wtf is wrong with this era
It's taken me 3 days to realize this, but Drummer didn't kill Karal, I think, because she wanted to swap her for Serge. So Oksana blaming it all going wrong & Serge dying isn't fair, but Drummer didn't bother arguing the point I'm making. Oh well.
That sounds reasonable, but how would they have even done the swap, the level of trust between the two groups being so bad, and Marco being such a psycho?
Fuck Oksana. She's the reason Serge was even on Marcos ship and the reason Karal was on her ship. Drummer should have gotten rid of her and Bertold a long time ago.
@@justgivemethetruth good point. The swap could have easily gone wrong due to Marco's erratic nature.
Drummer is the captain. No need to cry and explain.
@National Socialism I really hated how the "number 2" lady on that ship behaved in a way to "protect Drummer". She constantly wanted her to kneel to oppressor Marco. She made her give away her gun even though she seen she is struggling. Good friend would back her up, tell her that they need to stay low for a while but they will fight back later, that nothing is changed, that Marco is the bad guy. And this lady done all her moves in a way to even more destabilize Drummer's emotions and mental power.
It's pretty much assumed there was a reshoot to kill off Alex, right? I'd love to see the original.
It did seem... abrupt.
Forgive me, I'm not up to date on all the news, but why did they kill him off? Was his death not in the books?
I really liked his character and I'm going to miss him, but Game of Thrones has toughened me up to main character deaths.
@National Socialism
Thanks for explaining.
I really hate cancel culture, this makes even more sad now that I know the reason.
@@Woodchuckk Cass Anvar had some "misconduct" charges outside the show with some ladies. As far as I know he is not denying it so the show had to cut him loose. They chose to alter the storyline to fit "reality" and so... the Roci loses its pilot to a stroke.
@National Socialism I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not....🤔😉🤣
Avasarala and Drummer have been ICONS in this season and previous seasons. I love their character archs and you see their vulnerability more this season. I'm glad it didn't all bank on the chosen one theme with Holden. Seeing Bobbie hit rock bottom and then bounce back showed many of her layers
I need to read the books. This series is just too good.
Yes. Do it.
Highly recommended doing that.
If I want to pick up at season 6 stats with book should I pick?
@@GerdionXT I would recommend starting at the start since there are minor differences after the first one that might confuse you a little, especially later on. Bear in mind that with season 5 finale we are already beginning to see some major shifts. But if you really don't want to read them all, I would suggest you read book 5 and then 6 so you're at least up to speed on what happened before that part of the story, otherwise some characters are different, some are dead already and some aren't dead yet and you'll have a hard time enjoying it.
@@widget3672 I see it's like GOT is space. Thank you for a complex replay. I think I will go for book 5 and 6 perhaps
Thank you for this! I had no idea what the heck I was watching with the Barkeith scene.
I kinda wish I could have seen it without reading the books, but on the whole, I highly recommend reading them.
Pete, I have been watching your videos on my TV. As a result, I haven’t been able to leave comments. Your series of videos about Season 5 was just fantastic. Thank you so very much.
Season 5 was yet another pinnacle of achievement for The Expanse. The acting! The woman playing Karal was fascinating in her portrayal. But so was Marco as the mad genius. That being said, the crown of achievement goes to Naomi. The fact that this entire cast is overlooked for awards is shameful.
I am not at all curious about TV, especially in this age of too many options. I look forward to your future videos stirring my interest to possibly investigate new shows or films.
Stephen, this was most definitely rock-bottom for the series. Season 5 was very nonsensical, immersion breaking and full of filler that puts generic soap operas to shame. Let's hope Season 6 focuses on the areas and characters that we actually care about.
@@Cam-sl8ve We disagree. Completely.
That Naomi scene was powerful AF
In my view, all she did from the moment she took the jump into vacumm. She was like the T1000 relentless.
I hate crying women characters. Naomi is smart but she is a crying B. Hoped she would be gone... NOT ALEX, he was the soul of this show.
@@unwokeneuropean3590 alex literally was fired because he assaulted underage woman. Watch your step man.
Trust me, I get your frustration w Naomi crying for 7 episodes because I was frustrated too. But all that was meant to build up to the last episodes desperate plunge into space. It was supposed to frustrate you because that was the mood. It’s sad you watched a whole character arc and it went above your head because of your bias and ignorance
@@Angarsk100 lol much deeper than that. If she just jumped out of the spaceship on episode 3 then it wouldn’t have the dramatic effect it had on the finale. Lord knows we were all tired of seeing Naomi in that spaceship. And that was the point. She was frustrated and we were all frustrated. Even when she jumped out I was like finally and end to this arc... then I saw her doing the hand signs, I heard Bobbie hit her in the silence of space...
And I cried. Literally. Because I felt so relieved. It took me days to process what I saw and why I was so emotionally invested in that scene even tho I thought I loathed the Naomi arc... I cried? Well I figure that’s the beauty of the scene🤷🏽♂️
@@unwokeneuropean3590 alex departure is sad. we can all be grateful for what he has done for the series but I will swear on his name till the end of time for what he has done to all those women.
Phillip didn’t just kidnap her, he saved Naomi’s life by kidnapping her.
The Amos on Earth storyline was by far the most compelling. Eric was my favorite character of the season. He will he missed.
The novella "Auberon" is for you friend.
@@IllusiveSpartan In other words "He'll be back" ;)
Peaches is a Pilot!
its still up in the air. i think ive said before that while she can pilot a ship, bull has combat experience. wouldnt doubt that both actors are in flexible contracts, so they can go either way as needed. its also hinted, in season 3 that bobbie can pilot as well. so it will be interesting to see who ends up flying the rocci.
Nah. Peaches is a second mechanic next to amos. I think bull will replace alex as pilot because of the scene where bull was drinking on alexs cup.
Problem being Bull said he was an adequate pilot, nothing more. Peaches is a superior pilot, albeit lacking combat experience. Peaches sliding in like she did is FAR too slick and annoying. Bobbi would complete the quadrinity but since she became Martian/ UN liaison, dont think thats going to.........fly. However it goes, Alex's Mag boots are way too big to fill.
@@thecocktailian2091 Who says all three may end up on the Rossi.
@@thecocktailian2091 The real problem is the actor playing Bull has no talent
As a non book reader my first thought was Event Horizon!!
If they had there eyes ripped out I’d agree. “where were going you don’t need eyes”
Become a book reader.
@@thecocktailian2091 I will!! I'm waiting for the inevitable 9 book boxset!!
@@travisspazz1624 Heard that. My series collections always tend to be a hodgepodge of Hardcover, paperback, over various printings. I either dont have the patience to wait for the full series or if it has been out, not the coin to buy the proper set.
Warp Gods are thirsting!
I think Peaches will be the new pilot! Bull has other duties to attend too and he admitted he is not THAT great of a pilot.
Peaches would be a kick-ass pilot. Her sister was a great pilot and she probably grew up trying to get out of her shadow and is a great, if not better, pilot because of it!!
i think peaches is a good pilot considering she wanted to take over the racing team for julie when she quit so she definitely has experience. i think bull is too stubborn and he has no connection to the crew whatsoever. at least peached cares for amos and amos cares the other two so she will do her best as a pilot.
@@AccordGG1 Yeah but she is a racer pilot, not a martian corvette pilot... Wouldn't place a formula 1 driver in my A1 Abrams tank...
@@89DerChristian how about you use a fair comparison? you're not plucking someone who drove f1 yesterday and throwing him in the tank to figure it out. she has been with roci for months while being transported back to earth for her trial. which is why she and amos built a relationship when she helped him out. she is more familiar with that ship than you think. alex wasn't really a gunship pilot either. he said he was transport, a "glorified bus driver", his words not mine. alex is the best comparison that debunks your silly comparison. controls on the expanse ships vary but are mostly similar which is why all the pilots can usually figure out how to fly a ship they've never piloted. so yea in the expanse, i would trust the "f1 driver" to pilot my tank.
@@AccordGG1 I got the impression from the books that "glorified bus driver" was driving something like the Roci with Marines special forces on-board, getting them to where they needed to go and picking them up again and avoiding being seen. So it was "glorified bus driving" because engaging things wasn't really part of the mission profiles.
One of the best sci-fi in a long time. And the physics is stupidly close to reality. These guys made their research.
Yes...the Epstein Drive, people floating naked through space and surviving, traveling through vast distances of space within minutes, ring gates to other galaxies/systems, the protomolecule, super powered mutants that are kept in an underground prison, humans living on the Moon/Mars/Asteroid Belt, said humans at war with each other, etc, etc, etc... Yes...this show is VERY close to reality.
@@Ispeakthetruthify pooper
@@Ispeakthetruthify you're here stupid lol
@@vimalcurio Liking the show, and believing everything in the show to be accurate to reality...are two completely different things.
I'm a Sci-Fi junkie: I like good, bad, goofy, big budget, and cheap Sci-Fi. But the nature of the genre, is for the viewer to have some suspension of disbelief.
The only one of those things forbidden by modern physics is the ring gates and the protomolecule. Considering we haven’t even invented a fusion drive yet I think it’s too early to rule out Epstein drives. You can survive in space for about 90 seconds without a suit. Humans living around the solar system and fighting each other is definitely possible and I would say fairly likely for the future.
Would have been nice if Alex remained alive. The actor’s transgressions must have been legit.
I would have preferred a recasting
Show runner explains that Alex’s death was discussed and planned BEFORE all his transgressions became known.
@@cmorillo2865 Is what they said to soften the blow with the fans. No doubt they knew about it before making their decision. All of the characters had plot armor, and suddenly with this in season 5, he dies from a stroke. A bit too convenient.
@@cmorillo2865 He is alive in the books so I am pretty sure his abuse sealed the actor's fate on the show. The rumor is they brought everyone back to do reshoots once the investigation finished and it proved the actor was guilty of abuse.
They dont have to be real now days.
Laconia looks pretty established with all those lights. I was wondering if there was a time jump. Maybe it was the protomolecule? I am interested to see what becomes of the Laconian civilization messing with the protomolecule. Crazy martians on a planet with atmosphere with something they can't begin to understand. I think when the ship went dutchmen the beings (aliens or whatever that is) is studying the ship and the people. The protomolecule breaks things down to individual components so it's possible this works in a similar way. Perhaps it's an antiprotomolecule? Maybe it's a weapon from the builders that went out of control?
I'm waiting on the last book and despite coming to some understanding of what causes it, the actual things and indeed the whole ring space remains an absolute mystery.
I'm pretty sure most of the stuff on Laconia has been there for a bazillion years, and the protomolecule sample is waking it up, just like on New Terra. In an episode last season we saw a screen showing the Martian conspirators were involved in a ring gate survey, so they probably picked Laconia for a reason.
@@steriopticon2687 they did....and that stuff in orbit was the reason...can't say more without dropping into spoiler territory
@@steriopticon2687 'we saw a screen showing the Martian conspirators were involved in a ring gate survey" where is that? in the last episode?? I feel like I have to watch this and pause every couple of frames to get EVERYTHING that is being put out, said and shown.
We're able to break the strict POV style of the book and explore what's happening on the other side of the gates. I'm feeling a lot better about ending with S6 if they continue checking in on Laconia.
The best worldbuilding in series ever! The details, the story, politics, sci fi element, cast, not perfect but still very very underrated
Not its not its not even remotley good writing.
@@finalfrontier001 I said the best world building and you commented writing
@@ilhamwicaksono5802 Clearly never read sci fi before.
@@finalfrontier001 what sci fi series have better world building? I said sci fi series not book
They did alex's character fucking dirty. It was so out in left field i couldn't even be shocked i was just bewildered and kinda angry at how bad his death was. It honestly made me not want to finish the episode.
It was so sudden I had to do a double take, unfortunately Cas being a creep on set forced the shows hand and probably came up with a quick way to kill his character.
@@arandajose20 he was never a creep on set first of all. the women involved were from conventions and shit. second, the woman who was involved kept going over to his house to see him when he was trying to get laid. i don't think he forced himself on anyone. just some BS texts that stated he wanted to get freaky yet she kept entertaining him and lead him on. both are wrong obviously but to be fired over something that happened off set and to someone who was never involved with the show just makes me think how quick triggered they are to protect their image by doing the "right thing".
it's a good show - after sitting through the first couple of episodes, the ride begins.
Spectacular summary and conjecture! You're pretty good at this! Thanks.
Whatever Alex's actor did, they've handled it poorly. It was totally immersion breaking to see how the character died and how that was interpreted by the others. Totally weird. They should've praised the character for what he did, and they could've done that without praising the actor.
I'm thinking that by the time the information came out they may have already completed the shooting for all episodes, and changing the story required re-filming. Concluding the episode the way they did may have required minor writing of the script and re-filming only a small amount. I have no idea how it was actually handled, and have not been able to find out details, but that seems to explain everything in the most logical way possible. Also, I have not read the books, so not at all sure if this subject was covered in the books. Might be interesting to find that out as well... But ya, it did make for an odd and seemingly fractured ending...
@@BryantHayward67 not to spoil anything but he is alive in the books for longer.
@@BryantHayward67 well here is a better way: maybe have the Razorback destroyed so its obvious and we dont have a still frame shot cobbled together. If you see a ship destroyed from outside you know, but if someone is sitting there staring with someone calling their name you kind of dont.
Interesting stuff. I never read the books. Just came in to The Expanse a year or so back. Now is time to go back and read the whole thing before Season 6 drops, I reckon.
The audiobooks are well done!
I honestly feel like Marcos would have succeeded had his opartive killed Holden instead of Fred in that scene. 2:36.
That would end the plot lmao
Why no kill both?
@@Tate525 why would it? the struggle against Marcos and with the protomolecule would go on.
@@mikerodrigues9822 Literally just plot armor, nothing else. It makes no sense for an assassin like that to stop shooting after the first target is down.
I really love this so show! And thank you for the video. Great stuff. It feels a bit empty now after I finished the last episode yesterday.
The unprovoked MURDER of Alex shall not be forgiven. There is tying up your loose ends because you can't make as many season as you want... and then there is shooting your show in the god damned HEART.
Alex actor got metoo'd. It was a last minute decision.
Very good quality recap and video! Will subscribe
Amos at the end was funny as shit with Holden to get peaches on the ship. Did they show the Martian ship going Dutchman in the finale?
I loved that part of Amos bringing Peaches in lol
That little talk with Holden as he brought her on was great
Another very fine analysis. Keep up the good work!
I have Mass Effect series flashbacks watching S5.
Same here. Many ME vibes, actually, and I love it.
that's why I loved this show, this is as close as it can get.
"Say, lieutenant, that bracelet isn't up to code, is it?"
"Wha... oh... shit."
One thing that I wish they had explained more was the attack on the Martian Parliament. How big was the attack? Were many if any killed? Not having read the book, is the only thing so far that left me a bit wondering about that event.
Same with that last battle at the ring-gate. Series writers are getting lazy these days. They just assume people will get on line and figure it out or make something up, so they don't even try. I guess that is the Ridley Scott:Alien strategy? ;-)
Yeah, almost no coverage of the attack on Mars or the scope of the disaster on earth. When they all met up on Luna in the bar and all were dressed nice and drinking in a relaxed atmosphere, I wondered what about Earth? Is the planet dying? Is it an extinction event? If so, where will their food come from? And not having read the books, the battle scenes are difficult to follow. For one thing, the battle scenes are quick and the ships look somewhat similar. It's dark like the GOT attack by the Night King's dead army. I'll have to read book 6 so I have a better idea what's going on next season.
As a person who has not read the books, everything in the show was perfectly clear except the Barkeith ending. I did not understand that it got "destroyed" or it disappeared. My understanding was that the entities we saw are just there passing through everything as ghosts but the people on board do not see them.
Holden once said that he could "feel" them when he passes through the ring so I assumed this is what happens all the time when you pass through, those entities pass through everyone and Holden felt that while others do not.
Yeah, thats the reason I came to this video, to have the ship bit explained. I didn't conclude they were dead ,I didn't conclude anything, confusing.
I didn't think any show could bypass the peak moments of the rebooted Battlestar Galactica, but sure enough this series has done so consistently. It helps when you have a stellar series of books to base it on plus the original writers running the writers' room.
I am really enjoying your videos. As a fan of the show, your videos do a great job recapping and explaining what happened. Thanks for making these videos, and keep up the great work.
this part of the books was so good, but this season of the show just undercut it like nothing ive ever seen. amazon doesnt deserve to have this show.
all your videos about the expanse are so so good !!!!
The Expanse is THE best series EVER!! For Google to limit season 5 to 10 episodes is nearly a crime against humanity.
I loved how they used what was originally Fred's death for Alex since they couldn't work with the actor anymore
They could. He wasnt sentenced by a court
So Fred death was not like that as well?
@@vimalcurio in the books he dies from an aneurysm when the Rocinante is under hard acceleration
@@MrSlick16 damn they messed up and I didn't like what they did to Alex as well
@@vimalcurio with Fred's original death It made sense since he is older and so his body is no longer able to hold up to high g manoeuvres. The TV show death was a big surprise since in the books Fred survived the coup and left Tycho station in command of Bull, the book version of Camina Drummer. The expanse is weird, in some ways it's a faithful adaptation and in others it throws huge curve balls as it attempts to tie multiple plot threads to as few people as possible. Yet despite all the changes it still feels like a really well thought out faithful adaptation and in some ways is even better than the books
RIP Alex .....solar systems best pilot
Alex died because the actor was attacked by virtue signalers in real life, guilty before proven innocent
@@Dan-uf2vh Even people in the production team had abuse problems with Cas.
@@EnterpriseKnight I hear more believable allegations with regards to the Game of Thrones directors but power plays differently at the top, eh? in any case, I just don't know but it's far more likely to be a populist move on part of the owning studio than actual blame with the actor
@@Dan-uf2vh He only got fired after an independant investigation that the studio started . It's what i've read across multiple sites. So if that's true they give him the benefit of the doubt before firing him.
@@Dan-uf2vh Dear keyboard warrior Dan. Maybe next time inform yourself properly first, because most studios don't just launch an independent investigation and let an actor go without proof and based on a single accusation. This is not even remotely comparable to Johnny Depp's case. It was many women, including people who have worked with him on set, and a former director. Maybe consider being less of a turd next time.
This episode just kept giving. I got far too excited when they officially mentioned Admiral Duarte!
And that end scene with the ship going ‘Dutchman’, what a great send off for S5!
I’m so excited for season 6. I can’t put it into words. The show took the turn back out through the ring that I wanted it to. I don’t even want to speculate TOO much because I like surprises. (A little speculation is fun, though) 😉
Questions for season 6 video will be coming next.
@@PetePeppers1 how much of book's story telling changed in this season 5? it kinda looks like it pretty much stayed on track (from the way you describe it) barring some minor details.
@@niraj_dave Plenty of details are different, having read the book first I still had plenty of surprises but like previous seasons the show is pretty faithful to the broad strokes of the books while having a lot of difference in the details, sometimes huge details. Killing Alex off in season 5 was of course a very big departure to the books but that's influenced by Cas Anvar being fired for harassing women basically so I'm really excited to see how the handle that in season 6. We also got a lot less of James Holden being bored and investigating disappearing ships at Tycho before things start escalating but honestly that was probably for the better since that would have messed up the pacing of the show I think.
@@maiaemmett2399 wow..thanks..yeah and I figured Alex character was gonna be off based on what I had heard...so I guess his ending seems fitting in this context.
@@niraj_dave I think the biggest difference (beside everything about Drummer, she's been an amalgamation of characters since the start) is in the Alex/Bobbie story: instead of following rogue martian ships they had to save the martian prime minister from some free navy's ships (and then they saved Naomi, but Bobbie was surfing on a torpedo!).
JESUS CHRIST, what exactly did you explain? You just reading the book. Great thanks!
cool.
I’ve read all 8 core books & 1 supporting. Great reads. Mind candy for my sci-fy soul. A good book to screen effort by The Expanse writing team. Sad that the real life events led to a significant alternative re the character Alex. The character Drummer is a good gathering of a few book characters. How Drummer connected with Holden in episode 10 was a good alternate to the book. The dropping of the Mars backstory from the TV season 5 is unfortunate but workable for me. Sadly the humour I was looking for re Amos & Peaches getting on the moon & on to the Roci was lost in the need to deal with the... Alex event. Still a great show. Not seeing how they can justify ending it with just one more season.
I guess you mean you've read the 8 books already published (and maybe some of the novellas). We are all waiting for the 9th book to be available in a few months.
@@aaronia8092 Ask him how he did it!
I wish they'd split the last season in 2 - or make it an extended season with more episodes.
@@aaronia8092
Hi, Persepolis Rising is the last one I’ve read. Your right I may have tossed in one of the supporting efforts. Looking forward to the next & possibly last. Sad that all good things must come to an end.
@@lanycera
I think the background around the Mars story was worth a couple of episodes.
Thanks for a couple things I missed. Haven't watched it but once, going back for a full binge watch from the beginning of season 1.
Brilliant Summary ...
Great vid, but its a whole episode timeline not ending explained. Title not accurate
they got etch-a-sketched out of existence.... wait does anyone even remember what an Etch A Sketch even is?
Sure do
Hey, Pete! Thank you for your video & your channel! You cleared up a number of things for me. I haven't read any of the books but I love the series. Great work! Mark
Rip Alex :'(
Bloody great stuff. Many thanks. From. Cornwall UK
Theyre never gonna find a better pilot than Alex :/ so shitty feelsbad
They might. I trust the writers, they have done an awesome job so far!
Peaches is a good pilot.
Ok. I haven't read the books but this is my take on the ship disappearing. From what I could gather/remember from Holden's cryptic conversations about the ring builders etc, and the fight that was going to happen in Season 2? when they all wanted to go through the ring, the protomolecule would only allow peaceful people through the ring. If it found a warlike people it would destroy everything in it's path. Holden told everyone to power down their weapons. When they did, all the ships were allowed to pass through safely.
Ships have been passing through the rings since but some have disappeared. What if the makers/destroyers, whatever they are, made the ring gates sense hostile intention. Some ships were only going to colonise, maybe others had more warlike intent, and those disappeared. The main Martian battlecruiser had the main architects of evil on it. The ring sensed that and destroyed them. The ring has always been blue. The second I saw the red swirl I felt it was obvious that the ring saw them as evil, and so destroyed them.
i read book 7,8,9. without spoiling i can tell you that you were not correct:) regarding holden telling everyone to power down the weapons it is related to the "slow zone station" recognizing whether the manking is a foe. but it is not related to the "going dutchman" events
With the Chetzmoka spinning/spiralling, the centrifugal force should have thrown her away from the ship, not ended up in the middle of the spiral. We see the helmet roll towards the airlock, so that direction is outwards. Also, the only way Naomi could have ended up in the middle of the spiral would have been for her to jump towards the center, counteracting the centrifugal G force. That would not have been enough to cause a "high G burn" for the Screaming Firehawk to dock.
Yeah, trying to figure that stuff out kind of threw me for a loop too. I totally stopped thinking about it when Bobbys voice was being transferred through Naomis helmet. Good catch, I will try and figure it out better when I watch it again.
The way I imagined it was that when she jumped out of the ship it was only her inertial force moving her though space (so in theory she would continue in that direction for ever - or until she hit something or gravitational force). But when she jumped out of the ship due to the spin the ship was in, rather than the ship rotating, it was spinning along a line like a spin ball with the rod being down the middle of the coarse the ship was heading and the ship flying around that rod with the door always facing towards the rod (middle). Similar to how the moon orbits the earth, with one side always facing the earth.
Naomi would have eventually continued past the other orbit side of the ship (at risk of being hit by the ship again) and then would have been outside the orbit of the ship. But at this stage she would have been dead. (due to running out of O)
I have some questionable physics problems with this as well, like Bobbie said it was a short burst, and that meant to me that it stopped, but for the ship to continue in a spiral, you'd still need that thruster to be firing, right? I mean, after the inital burst once it's gone the drive would just push the ship in the forward direction.
@@artboymoy The main drive never stopped firing.
Yeah, good catch. Also the maneuvering thruster is nothing compared to the main drive, so the curve would be very shallow even if the thruster was firing continuously until it runs out of propellant. Furthermore, its trajectory would not be a spring-like cylindrical spiral, it would be an expanding one, since the ship is being accelerated by the main drive.
As much as I would have loved to have seen Bobbi surfing that missile, I thought the Naomi rescue scene was amazing & I was on the edge of my seat for it
In an episode I was not crazy about, that was a really good scene. But then I like any scene with Roberta "Bobby" Draper ... for some reason I just love her accent and she is so adorable. Also loved that scene where she popped out of the airlock blasting the pirate Belters away.
Yeah I remember being excited about the idea of them showing that when I was reading the book but I'm honestly happier with what we got, it was all around more powerful.
@@justgivemethetruth I really fucking disliked her character when she was first introduced. A chubby, awkward actor that was supposed to be a martian marine. I'm not trying to fatshame, but the detail of her not being in tip-top fucking shape, in the sense of being true to what it would be to be a martian marine - in your best fucking shape. As well as myself not seeing any real authority in her when she was commanding/encouraging her fellow soldiers, I just found her awkward and unlikable. She's grown on me now, though.
I’m pissed that the killed off Alex!!! Damn
Alex's death on the show came after the actor who played him was fired after a series of sexual misconduct allegations against him emerged in summer 2020.
@@jsalinasbarros Unsubstantiated. He was flirting, basically. But cancel culture doesn't care about facts. F Amazon for bending the knee and the showrunners for complying.
@@dlschgo imagine saying this sentence unironically
Hey, good lookiing. What'cha got cooking?
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
@@dlschgo yeah no, that's not how that works. First off, you don't get MULTIPLE allegations like that set against you "just because you flirted a bit". It's pretty clear there was more than that involved; after all we're talking about women here, and it's not like this whole "famous actor takes advantage of fan base" skit before.
Second of all, Amazon is a private company. They can do what they want. When one of your employees becomes more trouble than he's worth (mainly in terms of bad PR), you're justified in letting them go, especially when we're talking about a job that involves being in the spotlight.
Great commentary. Thanks for your effort.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Alex jettison the Razercrest core to thwart a missile attack when discovered shadowing the martians? So, how are Bobbie and he galloping about in space and doing hard-burns?
When they "jettison a core" it means all the fusion materials are expelled at the same time, but not the engine itself. After a while, the reactor engine can get started again with the proper fuel and supporting electronic system.
Very good work on your summary and explanations, but I’m surprised that you voluntarily skipped over the Alex sudden death and removal from the show; especially when comparing to the books as you do very well. I haven’t read the books, but am very curious to see how they will work around Alex removal from the show, and still follow the general plot from the books.
EDIT: Disregard my comment about Alex. You covered it in your other videos that followed that one. Thank you.
Looking forward to season 6 and 7 when
James Holden tries to save humanity from the Unknown Aggressors
I think I have the advantage of not reading the books. because Innaros' terror towards Earth offered a feeling of awe I very rarely experience in shows. Absolutely brilliant!
Loved the final season until Alex was killed, that left me feeling like a real salty Samual. As far as I know Alex wasn't killed that way or at all in the book and the only reason they did it was because of certain sexual assault 'allegations' which had no evidence or grounds against Alex's actor. One of the writers say it was done to level the playing field and create more tension but I think that is bs. Hated that but overall it was great.
There is tons of evidence if you care to do just the slightest bit of research...
@@89DerChristian There are no proofs. If there are, why hasn't be been prosecuted yet?
Nice recap bro. I did not read the books so it's nice getting that perspective. Question for you, or anyone who read the books, was Alex killed off in the books? It did not seem to make sense in the context. I would think if he did die it would have been something more involved than a stroke. I read it was some sort of issue with the cast where the producers felt he needed to go. Anyway, looking forward to more Expanse content. Such a great show. I'm going back to watch it all again. Well done!!
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Seems like the Roci needs a Martian now. Maybe Bobbie joins the Roci? We don't know any other Martians enough to trust them. But Bobbie probably has a role in book 6 with Avasarala. Bull could fill in the Alex/pilot role, but that makes the Roci crew 3 Earthers and 1 Belter. Not sure if Peaches also joins the Roci crew, but she's another Earther. I've only read through book 5. Starting book 6 now that season 5 is over.
They need a Martian diversity hire? :D
Good job explaining the last episode
The Helix in orbit of Laconia is the "station", the big spiky structure it surrounds is something "else".
the stick moons.
i hope we get strange dogs in s6.
Pete - I'll echo what David S said yesterday in that I really enjoy and appreciate your dissection and explanations of each episode. Your work fills in a lot of gaps for me, as I have not read the books (yet). Please keep up the great work! Can't wait for Season 6 and am hoping the series continues beyond.
It was a great ending. Though the stroke was written in because they had to fire the actor playing Alex.
Why?
@@cjkush5384 Sexual harassment and sexual assault allegations surfaced.
@@jaystrickland4151 Yes, 'Allegations'.
👍🏼 weaving all the threads together, excellent synopsis. Since I have been reading books 5-7 while watching season 5, my memories of both mix and mingle. But that last scene of the alien sky monster structure! Woah!
Naomi been through some shit! Then Alex dies, that sux.
Apparently the actor has been fired
The birth of the Laconian Empire
“And then there were three...”
I’m looking at where we go from here as if I were playing The Expanse table-top RPG.
Bull grew on me. I kind of hope he keeps the pilot’s seat. They may have foreshadowed that in the scene in the finale where he was drinking out of Alex’ cup. He sort of sighed, smiled and shook his head. It could be read a lot of ways without dialogue. Could’ve just been his way of paying respects to Alex, a comrade-in-arms he’d never met. Or he could’ve been thinking to himself “I can’t believe I’m going to do this.” He said he only went to work for Tycho because Fred offered him the job and he was broke.
If Bull is the new pilot, there’s no Martian presence on the Roci, the symbol of UNN-MCRN-OPA unity. So I think Bobbie will be aboard for most of Season 6. I keep going back to that weapons cache she has on Mars. All that Martian weaponry and tech should be compatible with the Roci. And it’d put Clarissa to work installing it all. She’d asked her seller about “Stealth missiles - those are first strike weapons.” She was never shown actually getting any, but that’s too juicy a thing to mention once, and then never bring back up. Now that we’re all allies, Bobbie and Bull can argue over who would’ve won if the MCRN and UNN Marines had ever gotten it on for real. Also still wonder about the roughly half (?) of the MCRN that DIDN’T defect to Laconia. What are they up to?
Avasarala should lean on Tycho; an Earth Corp; to name Drummer to replace Fred. That gives the moderate OPA a presence in the belt, UNN protection, and gives Belters a choice others than Free Navy or nothing.
Last, Holden isn’t exactly the ONLY one worried about the Protomolecule. He had Monica in his ear every time he tried to think about Naomi or anything else. She could be a useful character in Season 6, and I wonder how much of her we’ll see.
Great taking the ride with you all season, Pete. Thank you and all our fellow Expanse obsessives for all the fun & conversation between seasons and episodes!
What's amazing about the Expanse is that it was hyped as a hard sci fi show, but despite that, they have gone science fantasy - cosmic Horror by the end of season 1, with hard sci fi elements. And it worked!!!