Always interested in learning more about birds and how they interact with our culture. It was really interesting to see the names interact and evolve. Thanks for covering this subject! PS - Ostrich is a Camel Thrush! They should have just stopped there. That's great.
1:15 I was reading Pear's Cyclopedia from the 1930s that belonged to my grandmother. The rather grand author in said book (in a section about dog training and handling) wrote that all people of proper breeding know that the correct word is 'hound' and that 'dog' is a vulgar solecism.
@@Alliterative In upper class circles too. I believe 'hound' was still the common term in the British aristocracy in the first half of the 20th century.
The way I have heard it is that the origin of 'smörgås' comes from when the butter was churned. In the churn the butter would float on the surface of the milk like geese on water. So 'smörgås' originally just meant 'lump of butter', but came to mean butter on bread, and then just 'a sandwish'.
I have seen some of your videos today, rather randomly. I was compelled to Subscribe. This was as much fun as an afternoon down on the carpet perusing Mom's 15-lb Dictionary. Etymology anyone? Yes, please! 👵
BTW, Future video suggestion: the connection between Caligula and an Italian calzone, as in the food. Fascinating other connections along the way in many Italic languages, including socks, panties, the heel, measuring, etc.
What often isn't mentioned in the convo around the Canary Islands is that the reason there were dogs there is because there were already people living there. Related to the Berbers if I recall (not sure if they still like that term).
They call themselves Amazigh (which of course is autocorrected as "Amazing" 😄) which is the preferred name nowadays. "Berber" is a variant of the word "barbar(ian)", so it's a rather questionable term after all.
Great video. 1-My alternative idea on the connection between ostriches and camels--both have feet with two large toes, a very striking similarity, and a parallel adaptation for running. Yeah, the long neck, too. 2-An interesting bit of bird etymology are birds where the English name and the scientific Latin name appear to be from the same PIE root, but one coming down from Old English and the other via the Romance side: thrush/Turdus, crow/Corvus, goose (gander)/Anser. There is influence from French as well, so it is hard to say always.
It's fun to feel ahead of the game with these videos for once: I'd already looked up the etymology of smörgås, since I have a particular interest in Swedish (it's part of my family background). It's such a whimsical word!
2:27 Two years late, but this fact was still widely accepted when this video first aired: "Turk" comes from Old Turkic "törü-" (to be created, to reach the ripeness (point of a fruit/human) Nowadays, it has the meaning of "to derive, to reproduce (chiefly in animals)". This puts the bird "turkey" in a position where it is a cognate with the Turkish word for derivative functions in mathematics, "türev".
Other "hypotheses" (which are supported only by a minority, mostly Pan-Iranist circles), suggest cognate with Saka "turuka" ("helmet", which is unwieldy) and "Tyrcae" (a Schythian tribe, whom are called "Iyrcae", and the T- is a hyper-correction by English authors.)
I did go into the origin a bit more in my video about the bird "Turkey" back a while ago, though not in that much detail, so thank you for filling in more information. ruclips.net/video/He-wNRtBuRM/видео.html
Oh, that’s less than ideal! Silly time zones. You can leave a comment on the Speakeasy site telling them what time would work better for you; if there’s enough interest that I’m able to keep doing these, we may be able to put them on at different times.
The Russian and Polish and English words derive from a common Proto-Indo-European ancestor, but English words do not come from Russian words. The Slavic branch and the Germanic branch evolved in different directions from a common source.
Swedish, along with some other Germanic languages call turkeys "Kalkon" which is a contraction of "Calcutta" (the Indian port city) and "hen", so basically "Hen from Calcutta. Not that they came from India or even Calcutta for that matter like you said.
@@BurnBird1 Fitting user name :) yea, in French it's "dinde" which is shortend form of "poule d’Inde" - Indian hen. According to some sources it's because of an old word for conquered territories in Americas - West Indies. But then... Calcutta? By analogy? Strange. Then there is also Muscovy duck from Mexico. Yeah, people were strange.
@@yanikkunitsin1466 It's pretty funny how this simple bird got so many misleading names, out of all the numerous animals which came out of the discovery of America. Especially since Turkey isn't really eaten outside of North America (at least to my personal experience), at least not to a significant degree.
@@BurnBird1 christmas turkey tradition in UK (Thanksgiving leftovers?), but apart from that yeah. I don't like it personaly for strange sulphuric and ferrous undertones that you can't taste even in game birds. There are a lot of domestic birds that are way tastier than turkey. My guess is it's popular for weight/feed/buck ratio, like modern US broiler chickens that can't even walk properly because they where bred for breast meat. And I would eat every part of the chicken(including feet, fried Chinese-style) apart from breasts. That's diet fads that bred this abominations :)
The "Canary" connection is also how London ended up with a business district called "Canary Wharf" built on the area known as "The Isle Of Dogs"
Thanks! Nice extra connection!
Stupefying. So nothing to do with canary birds, just Latin.
Wow so true!
Always interested in learning more about birds and how they interact with our culture. It was really interesting to see the names interact and evolve. Thanks for covering this subject!
PS - Ostrich is a Camel Thrush! They should have just stopped there. That's great.
I know, right? Who doesn't wish we still called it a camelthrush?!
This was a nice one! And your pronunciation of Ö was pretty good, kudos. ^^
Oh, thank you! I was worried about that!
1:15 I was reading Pear's Cyclopedia from the 1930s that belonged to my grandmother. The rather grand author in said book (in a section about dog training and handling) wrote that all people of proper breeding know that the correct word is 'hound' and that 'dog' is a vulgar solecism.
Wow! That lingered a long time. Older terms do hold on in specialized fields.
@@Alliterative In upper class circles too. I believe 'hound' was still the common term in the British aristocracy in the first half of the 20th century.
Wow this is so interesting and informative at the same time! Glad i subribed and extra fun when swedish is mentioned
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it, hope I didn't mangle the Swedish too much!
The way I have heard it is that the origin of 'smörgås' comes from when the butter was churned. In the churn the butter would float on the surface of the milk like geese on water. So 'smörgås' originally just meant 'lump of butter', but came to mean butter on bread, and then just 'a sandwish'.
Oh, interesting! That’s a nice extra story, thanks!
I have seen some of your videos today, rather randomly. I was compelled to Subscribe.
This was as much fun as an afternoon down on the carpet perusing Mom's 15-lb Dictionary.
Etymology anyone? Yes, please! 👵
more i watch this channel more i like it, it is so educative
thank you, man, for your effort
Thanks!
BTW, Future video suggestion: the connection between Caligula and an Italian calzone, as in the food. Fascinating other connections along the way in many Italic languages, including socks, panties, the heel, measuring, etc.
What often isn't mentioned in the convo around the Canary Islands is that the reason there were dogs there is because there were already people living there. Related to the Berbers if I recall (not sure if they still like that term).
They call themselves Amazigh (which of course is autocorrected as "Amazing" 😄) which is the preferred name nowadays. "Berber" is a variant of the word "barbar(ian)", so it's a rather questionable term after all.
Beautiful!
THAT. Was insane. Thank you.
thank you
FASCINATING!!! Thank you so much.
Great video. 1-My alternative idea on the connection between ostriches and camels--both have feet with two large toes, a very striking similarity, and a parallel adaptation for running. Yeah, the long neck, too. 2-An interesting bit of bird etymology are birds where the English name and the scientific Latin name appear to be from the same PIE root, but one coming down from Old English and the other via the Romance side: thrush/Turdus, crow/Corvus, goose (gander)/Anser. There is influence from French as well, so it is hard to say always.
Really awesome, love to learn how birds names connect through language.
very cool
I always enjoy these.
It's fun to feel ahead of the game with these videos for once: I'd already looked up the etymology of smörgås, since I have a particular interest in Swedish (it's part of my family background). It's such a whimsical word!
Juletid bådar väl för smörgåsbord
Yuletide bodes well for "smeargooseboard"
The ostrich one was a surprise for me
2:27
Two years late, but this fact was still widely accepted when this video first aired:
"Turk" comes from Old Turkic "törü-" (to be created, to reach the ripeness (point of a fruit/human)
Nowadays, it has the meaning of "to derive, to reproduce (chiefly in animals)".
This puts the bird "turkey" in a position where it is a cognate with the Turkish word for derivative functions in mathematics, "türev".
Other "hypotheses" (which are supported only by a minority, mostly Pan-Iranist circles), suggest cognate with Saka "turuka" ("helmet", which is unwieldy) and "Tyrcae" (a Schythian tribe, whom are called "Iyrcae", and the T- is a hyper-correction by English authors.)
I did go into the origin a bit more in my video about the bird "Turkey" back a while ago, though not in that much detail, so thank you for filling in more information. ruclips.net/video/He-wNRtBuRM/видео.html
Hens, n the other hand, are so called because they can sing, like the latin cantare (chant). Actually it was the roosters at first.
And ostrich in Spanish is Avestruz, directly from Lingva Latina
And thanks a lot for these videos, I show them to all my students, they are super interested !
Darn, your seminar is at 5am my time on a work day D:
Oh, that’s less than ideal! Silly time zones. You can leave a comment on the Speakeasy site telling them what time would work better for you; if there’s enough interest that I’m able to keep doing these, we may be able to put them on at different times.
@@Alliterative excellent, I'll do that!
polite notice - goose is coming from гусь , and Gans from gęś . also groose is from głuszec .
The Russian and Polish and English words derive from a common Proto-Indo-European ancestor, but English words do not come from Russian words. The Slavic branch and the Germanic branch evolved in different directions from a common source.
Is "go to the birds" an idiom? And what does it mean?
It's really just a bit of a play on "go to the dogs" -- you'll find it in punning headlines and articles, but it's not a widespread idiom on it's own.
@@Alliterative thank you
Start and stork. Redstart is way younger than both of them, so it's false etymolgie.
Funnily enough, "turkey" in russian is "ind'eyka" (from India) where she is also not from. Whe're not gonna talk about ethnonym.
Swedish, along with some other Germanic languages call turkeys "Kalkon" which is a contraction of "Calcutta" (the Indian port city) and "hen", so basically "Hen from Calcutta. Not that they came from India or even Calcutta for that matter like you said.
@@BurnBird1 Fitting user name :) yea, in French it's "dinde" which is shortend form of "poule d’Inde" - Indian hen. According to some sources it's because of an old word for conquered territories in Americas - West Indies. But then... Calcutta? By analogy? Strange.
Then there is also Muscovy duck from Mexico. Yeah, people were strange.
@@yanikkunitsin1466 It's pretty funny how this simple bird got so many misleading names, out of all the numerous animals which came out of the discovery of America. Especially since Turkey isn't really eaten outside of North America (at least to my personal experience), at least not to a significant degree.
@@BurnBird1 christmas turkey tradition in UK (Thanksgiving leftovers?), but apart from that yeah. I don't like it personaly for strange sulphuric and ferrous undertones that you can't taste even in game birds. There are a lot of domestic birds that are way tastier than turkey. My guess is it's popular for weight/feed/buck ratio, like modern US broiler chickens that can't even walk properly because they where bred for breast meat. And I would eat every part of the chicken(including feet, fried Chinese-style) apart from breasts. That's diet fads that bred this abominations :)
Fina insikter om fågelnamn.
Tack!
The "Endless" Knot? Ha! I bet Alexander the Great could prove your knot to be not so endless!
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