No, there isn't hahahaha it's definitely not like La Liga where everyone always knew who was gonna win since 1940. Palmeiras and Flamengo have taken high spot in last 5 years, but that can change dramatically based on foreigner money, as we can see Botafogo, Bahia, Bragantino. In that way, the most alike championship is the Premier League, where West Ham, Newcastle will probably have higher protagonism in next years.
I'm Brazilian but I have lived in Portugal for the past five years, and I always used a sentence to describe how thrilling Brazilian football is: "over there, the league is so competitive due to the sheer number of "big" clubs that by the end of one or two bad seasons you will be relegated, since you cannot put a trophy that you won a couple of years ago to play as a striker or a midfielder. If your club doesn't get relegated after two awful seasons, you're a Santos supporter." I guess I'll have to find another example hahahaha
@@FeeOLimA não foi isso que eu quis dizer. O São Paulo teve aí uma época de vacas magras mas só um ou outro ano correu sério risco de rebaixamento, num desses anos só não caiu porque o Hernanes veio pra salvar a pátria. A questão que eu quis levantar foi que se um time brasileiro (grande ou pequeno) faz um, no máximo dois anos de um péssimo trabalho, ele corre sérios riscos de cair. Só para dar um exemplo, fiquei um tempão ouvindo sobre a "crise do Sporting" e o pior que aconteceu foi jogar a Liga Europa, eles nem cogitavam ser rebaixados. Por fim, Flamengo rebaixado em 1995 e São Paulo no paulista de 1990. Reclamações disque @RaíSouzaVieiraDeOliveira e @TelêSantana.
23/24 has to be one of the weirdest seasons so far across the world. Girona challenging Real and Barca, Leverkusen owning Bayern, Man City not rooted to the top of the league, Lyon potentially being relegated, Santos ACTUALLY being relegated… I could go on Even the league in my home country (Nigeria) is weird with some random small club based in a village just outside Lagos currently topping the league 💀
Never heard anyone bringing up the NFL (Nigerian Football League) in a conversation that's nice considering how poor of a job it's been promoted in sports channels
@@shawklan27yeah it’s sad how much Nigeria overlooks its own league, considering the talent of some of the young players there. Things are changing though, teams like Remo (the team I was talking about in my original comment), Katsina, Kano, Gombe, Sporting Lagos and Enyimba are pulling in huge crowds and the games are actually being streamed (only if you’re in West Africa though, anywhere outside then good luck watching)
Also in my country, Thailand. Chonburi FC is currently a relegation contender after finishing a respectable 6th last season. Edit:Right now, Chonburi FC is currently 11th (at the moment) which is outside of relegation zone.
I actually saw Santos play in 1973 when they visited Plymouth Argyle. Pelé scored a 2nd half penalty. But the mighty Pilgrims beat them 3-2. Back then football was still magical, we hardly saw foreign players except for the World Cup, but we still knew who all these great players were. I miss that.
Just a small clarification: Bragantino really was a small club without RB acquisition, but it has competed before in top level. Actually, it was Serie A finalist in 1991, losing the title to São Paulo. But, confirming that it was small, it is a good candidate for the most underdog finalist ever.
@@axxessmundiGuarani may not be a G-12 or G-13 club, but was (and still is) way bigger than Bragantino ever was before RB. Same goes for Fortaleza and Portuguesa. My top three underdog finalists would be Bragantino, Bangu and São Caetano (they are not listed in a particular order).
Andres Rueda on football: "I don't understand it, I don't want to understand and I'm angry with those who understand" A REAL QUOTE FROM OUR FORMER PRESIDENT
That's one of the reasons why i say the brazilian league IS more entertaining than any european league, Santos fell, yes, but so did Palmeiras, Atlético Mineiro, Corinthians. Atlético Mineiro won the libertadoras in 2013, Corinthians won the kibertadores in 2012 and beat Chelsea at the CWC final in that same year, and palmeiras won two libertadores and 2 brazilian championship Série A in the few years, no one is immune tô relegation in brazil, Vasco beat Manchester United 3 - 0 in 2000 and since then was relegated 4 times
@@ilgattoparddo No he said that his team was, and has always been, Santos, he did on some occasions express sympathies to Vasco, even calling himself a 'fan' of the team, but the truth is, Pelé will always be associated with Santos, and no one can change that.
Fun Facts: If you don't know, the disappointing loss against Argentina was also notable low moments for the Brazillian Football, as it happened in the home soil (Maracana). This was the first time in the history of the World Cup qualifiers that they lost at home.
I mean at that point the bad phase was already on so It was hardly disappointing, as a brazilian I bet on Argentina that day and bought myself some beer
@@zanesc01How did it feel with watching the Brazil vs Argentina not to be rude cause you know it’s been quite a show watching how things unraveled in that match
@@rohithraman6488 As another fascinating fact regarding this unfortunate thing: Brazil had always won the Copa America everytime they staged the tournament (1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, and 2019). The 2021 tournament was initially staged to be held in 2020, with Argentina and Colombia being chosen as a co-hosts. Then, it was postponed a year later and both countries lost their rights just a few weeks before the tournament had began.
As a Peñarol fan, I remember losing the Libertadores final against Santos in 2011. It´s a final we particularly remember, due to it being the last time any of both teams (don´t forget we are talking about two of the most significant teams in world football history) had any chance of winning anything on an international level. Especially us, manyas, who have been watching the decline for years, knew it was probably the last chance to get la sexta
@@viniciuscoxoba3842I remember watching that game with my father, and GOD was that a TERRIBLE final, probably the worst of all time, but it was pretty sad to see Santos conceiving a goal in the final minutes, I think that if it went to extra time they would've been crowned Champions...
@@RichardZNot River Plate should have won that one. Lost to Palmeiras in the semifinals in the aggregate but dominated last match in Sao Paulo and didn't qualify only by minimum details. Had River passed, it would definitely massacre Santos in the final.
@@leandronardi7867no way dude, if it was Santos vs River Plate, Santos would win dont forget Santos 6 - 0 Boca on aggregate, that justifies why the final was so equilibrated while on Brazil everyone was expecting a Palmeiras massacre
I am Chilean, and I would say it is not limited to Brazil. Sadly, Santos' downfall is also the ongoing situation for many Latin American countries' football. Especially with our case. It's sad.
Santos's downfall was a natural thing to happen in the Brazilian league, "new clubs" arose like Athl. Paranaense and RB Bragantino. It's a sign that the league is more competitive than never.
A queda do Santos é 100% culpa do ex presidente, ele destruiu o time vice campeão da libertadores em 2021 e por três anos nos fez brigar para não ser rebaixado . É o pior presidente da história do Santos FC !!!
I was at Vila Belmiro when it all happened. Absolutely gutting, but we were ticking all the boxes of the “relegation checklist” over the past years. Thanks for shedding light on what happened to my Santos to the world, Alfie. We will come back stronger from this downfall.
Tive o desprazer de estar lá também, portão 25, dia mais triste da minha história com futebol. Felizmente ao longo dos meus 30 anos eu pude ver bastante coisa boa ao vivo também, então pode ter certeza que voltaremos mais fortes sim e logo estaremos onde não deveríamos ter saído.
@@BSC7 tava no 1/2, virou uma zona de guerra assim que o segundo dos caras saiu. chorei de profunda tristeza mesmo, admito! mas é isso aí cara, vamo apoiar o nosso Santos pra que voltemos ao lugar de onde nunca deveríamos ter saído, como você bem disse! ⬜️⬛️
I would like to correct only one mistake: Bragantino had played Serie A football before Red Bull, and were even runners-up in 1991 with Mauro Silva as their star player and a young Vanderlei Luxemburgo as manager. But after this era, they were a team that went up and down Serie B and C.
What a good video! One thing I find very interesting about the Brasileirão is that due to the sheer number of qualification spots for continental cups, you often have between two and four teams between relegation and these qualification spots. Meaning just a few points could have vastly different outcomes
The big number of qualification spots make it very fun to see every team battling for something Teams at the top are competing for the title Then right behind them there are the ones trying to get to Libertadores Then a bunch of teams fighting to keep their sulamericana spot And with 4 relegations, the 2~4 teams in 12/14 to 16 will regardless be happy not to get relegated
This happened with Santos. They lost against Fortaleza and got relegated, but if they had won that match and Cruzeiro had lost to Palmeiras, they would have qualified to Copa Sudamericana
Being a Pele fan it made me sad, Santos was where beauty was born. But at least Santos can still come back. Unlike the tragedy of my country Myanmar however. A video about our Myanmar’s football collapse is worth paying attention, why Myanmar, once a historic giant of Asian football by 1950s and 1960s, is now demising, and understanding the destructive role of the brutal military regime behind its demise.
@@PnCKSMTR You certainly not heard of Myanmar. Myanmar used to be among the strongest in Asia. Besides, it was the 1950s and 1960s, when Myanmar was at peak of their strength, not 2020s.
@@PnCKSMTR I stated history and fact. You have an emotional issue. Football is not surrounded only to Europe nor to a small island. If you think supremacy helps you, go home and seek psychiatrist. Your sentiment is full of hate, just that.
About Santos, growing up as a kid Santos was always that odd team that never competed for anything and was just there. Then they had that fluke brasileirão, the last one with playoffs when they manage to win dispite having the 8th best record in the first phase. This helped them a lot and the new young players in Robinho, Neymar and Ganso really helped them keep relevant. But after 10 years of the departure of Neymar and after the new stadia for the world cup, Santos still plays in a small and woefully old stadium, and teams from other places, like Fortaleza and Cuiabá, really upped their game.
Além do Santos ser o time que ninguém odiava, talvez por ser tão inofensivo. Antes do Neymar, eu lembro que quando a minha família se juntava de fim de semana, a gente colocava futebol de fundo e todo mundo torcia pelo Santos, detalhe: ninguém torce pro Santos kkkk
It was one of the best if not the best Campeonato Brasileiro of the history and here's a small on the pitch summary of how Santos got relegated in the final days. It was a deserved relegation due to incredible amount of miss management, but it was unexpected how it happened. Santos was battered 7x1 against Internacional in the 28th round, sinked into the relegation spots and bounced back winning 3 games and drawing 4, reaching the 36th round outside the relegation spots. At that moment there were at least 5 teams fighting to escape relegation and Santos was 14th, 2 points clear with 3 matches against teams that weren't playing for anything in the championship anymore. Fluminense (at home) was just waiting for the Club's World Cup, Athletico Paranaense (away) and Fortaleza (at home) were qualified for the Sulamericana with no chance of going to the Libertadores. Santos had 43 points and no team has ever been relegated with 45 points in the history of the Brasileirão, so it was expected that Santos would escape with those fixtures. Then disaster struck, Fluminense ended Santos's 7 matches unbeaten run with a demoralizing 3x0 at Santos's home where Fluminense's keeper was the Man of the Match and Santos hit the post 3 times in a tragic night. Athletico Paranaense at home battered Santos with an easy 3x0 where Santos didn't show up. Both Bahia and Vasco also lost their 2 matches so Santos was still clear by 2 points with 43 in 15th, followed by Vasco with 42 and Bahia with 41. On the last day Bahia had to face at home 2nd place Atlético Mineiro that needed to win to secure a Libertadores group stage spot and Vasco had to face at home 6th place Bragantino with no ambitions on the championship while Santos had to face 11th place Fortaleza that also had no more ambitions on the championship. Bahia was the favourite to be relegated while Santos had the most favourable match up. At the final day Bahia destroyed Atlético Mineiro 4x1 in an impressive display (they really shouldn't be fighting there), then Marinho former Best Player in America in 2020 for Santos scored the first for Fortaleza against Santos, Santos equalized on the 2nd half and was surviving with the draw because Vasco was also drawing at home when at the 38th minute, Serginho, who was humiliated by a journalist in his own new signing interview (really interesting story) scored for Vasco to save Vasco from relegation. Santos got desperate and went forward unorganized and at 50th minute Lucas Lima missed a pass with the keeper out of position going to the attack, Lucero from Fortaleza received the ball and scored from the middle of the pitch the goal that was famously known as the goal that Pelé missed from the middle of the pitch. 2023 was the Brasileirão Rei (King), a tribute to King Pelé who died at the very end of 2022 and Lucero scoring that goal in the last minute to send Santos down to Serie B was a great irony.
Como vc pode chamar um campeonato que o Santos caiu e quem deveria ser campeão não foi de melhor da história? Pra mim foi o pior e mais injusto da história.
@@neideandrade2767 Santos's relegation was one of the most deserved. They've been doing everything they could on the management side to be relegated for few years. I'd argue that they should've already been relegated and it's a miracle it took them this long to go down. Also we had 5 way title fight up until the penultimate fixture and a 3 way relegation fight up until the last day. How's this not amazing? It sucks for relegated teams but it was an amazing championship.
@neideandrade2767ah ta, pq Pelé morreu teriam que dar o troféu pro Santos então?? Ah para, então depois que o Maradona morreu deveriam ter dado o título pro Argentinos Juniors o clube que revelou ele?
Santos is one of my favourite respective Brazilian clubs ever but honestly,I was extremely so shocked to see them being relegated to the Brazilian's Serie B for the very first time in their history,good friend!!!A club which produced the likes of Pele,Coutinho(legendary) and Neymar suffered mainly their financial mismanagement and management problems for a decade which them to suffer this debacle,good friends!!!I am extremely so hopeful to see them getting a new owner to start galvanising the squad and work hard to achieve automatic promotion to the Brazilian Serie A for next season,good friends!!!LONG LIVE SANTOS!!!🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
33:10 Just a small correction, Bragantino actually played the Brasileirão finals in 1991 (the league went through multiple formats before settling in the current round-robin style) and had decent results up until the mid to late 90's, but I believe you were probably only looking at the league past 2003, which would make the statement correct.
Great video! Since you mentioned Botafogo, I think a video about their historical bottling after a 13 point lead (I swear, I don't know if they had 14 at one point of the league) with many details as possible because it's a crazy plot worthy of a movie, there's even this quote "There are things that only happen to Botafogo"
Santos's relegation was expected here in Brazil, we all knew they were going to be relegated in a few years, they almost got relegated in the state league last year.
As a Santos fan and resident of Santos, I'm happy that the team is remembered by so many people outside of Brazil but sad due to the circumstances. Few comment on Santos being the only big team outside a state capital. Congratulations on the in-depth research! I often read that this team existing is a miracle. But the city of Santos also has the largest port in Latin America and is very close to São Paulo. It is a rich but charming city. Counting only adjacent cities, it has close to 1.5 million people. And the club offers free buses on game days to bring club members from São Paulo, leaving from different parts of the city. If the club had been better managed in recent years, the location of the stadium would not be the problem. Little is said about the success of our young players coming precisely from their proximity to professionals. "It's just jumping over a wall." This is reported to facilitate adaptation. But in big clubs their training centers are separate due to the limited space available in large urban centers. Corinthians, Palmeiras and São Paulo, even though they have more money, more fans, more infrastructure, do not reveal as much stars like here. Something works here that doesn't work there. It's something to think about.
@@carlosleao233 Dos grandes é que o faz o melhor trabalho mas essa distância dos CTs realmente atrapalha a adaptação. E pelo tamanho da cidade era pra revelar muito mais. Vou ser um pouco especifico aqui. O pai do Endrick comentou que escolheu o Palmeiras pois eles ofereceram um trabalho para ele dentro do clube. Pensa quantas famílias poderiam se mudar do interior ou do norte, nordeste ou de obde for e ainda conseguir emprego na cidade de São Paulo. Isso numa cidade menor como Santos tem menos oportunidades. Percebe como deveria ser muito maior a distância entre os clubes?
I think they’ll manage to squeeze themselves through and qualify. If they fail, well, every big football nation had some bad times, like France in 2008-2012 and Germany right now. They will come back to their former glory eventually
if we fail to qualify in the south american qualifiers, we do not, and I cannot stres that enough, *DO NOT* deserve to play in the World Cup ever again. It's basically 7 spots for 10 competing nations
When a big team is relegated it's always a historical moment, but for me, every team will eventually be relegated in Brazil. Even São Paulo and Flamengo, the two remaining ones, had already barely escaped relegation a few times. Santos' relegation is not surprising at all, they've been flirting with relegation for a few years now even in the state championship.
Alfie, a bit curious but a video about Lebanon's struggling situation with football is needed. Despite football being the most played sport in every West Asian nations, this doesn't seem to be the case of Lebanon. In fact, Lebanon may have one of the worst football development record in West Asia, their U17 and U23 teams have never been to an U17 or U23 Asian Cups, while the U20 have only qualified twice for the U20 Asian Cup. Simultaneously, Lebanon has performed very poor in Asian Cup for senior nations. This is even more shocking when, by the irony, Lebanon has the oldest continuing football league in Asia, the Lebanese Premier League, which has been running since 1932 and even far older than the more successful J.League or K-League.
It used to be quite a western country, but it's became less of such over time. I would imagine any video would have to cover politics and religion which just won't happen.
@@ourmonarchy326japan has a very good league and both japan and korea have some of the best national teams in Asia so its not really an insult to be worse than them😭😂
@@ourmonarchy326 These are two of the best national teams in Asia. It's like saying a South American team has "performed even poorer than Brazil and Argentina 😮" You might have intended as an insult, but it makes no sense.
People thought that having the oldest football league would result in better environment, stronger competitors and strengthening the national team. Why is Lebanon such a contradiction? Having the oldest ongoing football league since 1932, which was certainly even older than the likes of Japan, South Korea and Australia's A-League, yet Lebanese football is such a shamble?
A good mention about Russia’s football collapse, its pivoting to Asia, and possible political implication (especially with the like of Central Asian nations) is worth as well. I have read sportswashing and found that Russia and Kazakhstan have engaged in excessive sportswashing and corruption in European football. Now that Russia is banned, Russia is starting to turn to Asia, while Kazakhstan has recently doubled their ties with Asian nations due to AFC is not hostile to dictatorships as seen in UEFA recently. In this context, being a Swede (Chechen origin), I wonder will tensions result in the eventual Kazexit and Rusexit from UEFA due to opposition against these countries and based on context of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
It's interesting if you put geopolitical perspective. A Russia inside the AFC, if such scenario really happens, will be Kazakhstan's major catastrophe. Russia inside the AFC meant Kazakhstan will be UEFA's furthest member, and separated by a hostile Russia and being plagued by a paranoid Turkish regime helped little. The AFC, full of autocrats as mentioned, is not interested in putting pressure to end a war or an invasion, as seen with what happened in the Iran-Iraq War, or Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Additionally, many Central Asian nations are so weak to even do anything, while China's relations with Russia have greatly improved since 1990s and are now buddies since Putin's war on Ukraine. That also means that if Russia invaded Kazakhstan, using the same context (Kazakhstan-Russia relations are not really harmonious recently, given the past genocide of Kazakhs by Russia) as it did to Ukraine, UEFA could not provide support for Kazakhstan the same way they did to Ukraine, nor even the UEFA could pressure the AFC to do something outside its jurisdiction. Leave alone Kazakhstan's infamous reputation as a despotic nation that used football and UEFA membership for its evil business. I am not surprised why Kazakhstan is searching for alternative solution. As for now, they may need to hope that the UEFA is still tolerant to them first. Kazakhstan should have wished it had not joined the UEFA at the first place. Probably Kazakhstan thought UEFA is NATO, which, probably, its biggest and gravest mistake.
man, if Russia goes to asia, they are basically locked in the World Cup (after the suspension gets lifted) We all know those states with the suffix -istan are basically client states of Russia
@@otaviofrn_adv They will be likely to come together. If Russia is to exit the UEFA, Kazakhstan will certainly understand that its membership in UEFA is counted only by weeks or months. Overall, Kazakhstan has the most miserable geography in the UEFA, not just being the furthest (plus shares similar timeline with India than Europe), but also, it is circled by authoritarian regimes like Iran, China, Pakistan, plus significant influence from Saudi Arabia. AFC, if I remember right, doesn't have a reputation of caring about democracy or human beings like UEFA (something certainly suited both).
@@otaviofrn_adv Not exactly, Kazakhstan has American biological weapons laboratories and the other "istans" have approached the European bloc, Azerbaijan for example, which provides the fuel that Israel uses to massacre the Palestinians. But I agree that the Russian team is superior to most Asian teams except Japan and South Korea.
Hi there Alfie. Would be very appreciated from me, for you to make a video on the astonishing demise of Budapest Honved FC. From a club which has won 8 Hungarian cups (most recent in 2020), 14 Hungarian league first division titles (last in 2017), whom the star players such as Puskas, Koczis & Czibor- of arguably the best national football team ever- played for, now finds itself languishing in the abyss of 11th currently, in the SECOND division!
Alfie, I am a suporter of santos and was ACTUALLY hoping for this video. Great one, apart from the number of times vasco and botafogo have been relegated, 4 and 3. And some weird pronunciation of names. Hahaha
While small on its own, they do have a hipsterish fanbase in São Paulo as well as the fact in santos itself that they are the only team in a city the size of Sheffield in the top 3 divisions. The major issue is that stadium and its replacement I remember a fan showing me the plans and you are not turning ‘craven cottage’ into a half scale Mercedes Benz stadium for less than 200 million dollars never mind 80.
A good look from outside on the state of Brazilian football. One important factor in the relegation battles of big teams is that FOUR teams out of twenty are relegated, unlike European leagues. Congratulations on gratuitous insertion of Brazilian champions Fluminense in 1970!
Can you make a video about German DFB Pokal fearful Clubs. For example my Hometown club FC Remscheid used to be a fearful Club in the Cup in the 80s but since the last time they where in the 2 bundesliga in 1992/93 they went down all the way to the 7th division. Today they are hard stuck in the 6th Division
Fluminense had a team good enough to win the Brasileirão, and they were in the top positions when they decided not to field their first team in several matches. This is actually quite normal in Brazil, because the travels are quite intense, and only once had a team won both the league and the international cup (2019), and there never was a treble.
Well, yeah, the teams that were playing at the Libertadores were not allowed to play the Brazilian cup up until this past decade, so teams were only playing 2 competitions back then. But if we count the state champioships as the treble requirement 4 teams have won it, Cruzeiro in 2003, Flamengo in 2019, Atletico Mineiro in 2021 and Palmeiras in 2022.
@@henriquesoares2343 In actuality, only between 2001 and 2013 did the teams that qualified for the Libertadores were not allowed to play in the Copa do Brasil, but even if they did, no teams from this time period were able to win the Libertadores and the Brasileirão in the same year, and only Cruzeiro in 2003 did the domestic double, but wasnt qualified for the Libertadores, so that doesnt count either. None of the teams from 2001-2013 would have had the trebble then, so that argument doesnt really matter. The best chance any Brazilian team ever had was Flamengo in 2019, and Atlético Mineiro in 2021, both came very close
Actually, I'm a Flamengo fan, but I'm pretty sure that Pelé's Santos did manage to win both in the same year, I know that Flamengo's 2019 accomplishment was much more harder due to so many games, but still Santos managed to do it
@@RichardZNot I'm a Fluminense fan, but I think we cannot compare what Santos did back in the 60's with what Flamengo did in '19. Even if, of course Pelé's team was better.
As a Brazilian, this video really gives respect to Pelé, so thanks. You could've mentioned the time Pelé and Santos stopped a war. For his time, Pelé won everything he could multiple times and stayed at his peak for 15+ years, and there are some videos named "Pelé did it first 50 years ago" that are just insane, you can see how far ahead of his time be was. Also, we're talking about a time without the gap between Europe and South America we see today, since European clubs couldn't build international powerhouses while also buying all the South American prodigies, so no "lol dominated a weak league". It hurts to see people who don't even know Pelé's story and feats simply ignoring him in the GOAT debate.
Great analysis,, just some wrong info about Bragantino. They indeed did have a good run in the early 90s, winning the Campeonato Paulista in 1990 and runners up in the Brasileirão of 1991, at the time there was a playoff system, and they los the final to São Paulo FC. Once top shelf managers like Wanderley Luxemburgo and Carlos Alberto Parreira did have sucessfull spells there, with Mauro Silva being perhaps the most recognized player to have played there in that era. That era did in fact go under later on down the line with the team being relegated all the way down to the third level. Being a small town club, where in a energy drink giant coming in renaming, rebranding, changing the oginal black, white and grey to the companies colors, would only be thinkable in non traditional clubs, not only outside the big 12, but also the i guess "medium-big" teams from the other big cities like Athletico PR, Coritiba, Bahia, Vitória, Fortaleza, Ceará, Sport, Nautico, etc, etc. Now with Santos let´s see what will happen, their likely exit is becoming a SAF - Limited company with foreign investment, if that will be sucessfull who knows, thus far weve had rave results, being in spite of the choke job a success at Botafogo, and not so sucessful at Cruzeiro and the team I support, Vasco, which is a mess of it´s own. Alfie, I reccomend you see the documentary series " A Mão de Eurico " about former Vasco president Eurico Miranda, and the whole chaos he led the club to. Try to check if you can find it with english subs.
It is really sad that the best football player in history died last year and then in less than a year his club got relegated...Sad indeed. My dad almost died this year as well and he's also a Santos supporter.
The saddest part for me isn't even the relegation. It's because after the revival after matchday 27 we really thought it was just over and we could free ourselves once again. But after the 7-1 loss the team entered the pitch more afraid to lose than hopeful to win, and that's when it all fell apart. Some fans were "celebrating" draws because HEY, it isn't a loss! But in the end, those draws were brutal.
he lives in uk so if he uploaded 3 hours from when im making this comment as it says, it wouldve been uploaded around 1:30-2:00am california time and UK time is way ahead of us so it wouldve been around 10am for him
Eu tinha 11 anos quando comecei a torcer para esse time, tive um grupo de amigos que jogavam futebol comigo, alguns eram Santos, a gente sempre andava com a camisa do santos para todo lado minha infância eu joguei muito futebol em diversos lugares diferente a gente era como um time isso era em 2011 foi uma época muito boa e até hoje sou santista mesmo com a queda do time ainda continuo a torcer, fez parte da minha infância não deixarei de torcer pro clube pela sua ma fase Boa parte dos meus amigos hoje em dia torcem para outros clubes que se destacaram nos últimos anos 😅
Really superb video Alfie, growing up as a Santos fan since i was 5 in 2004, those 3 years of the Rueda administration were a living hell, not only he criminally negleted our football side with with the excuse of his so called austerity with unnexplained awfull signings just because they were cheap players but also never lost the opportunity to embarass our club and the fans, first in the literall election campaign of 2020 he said "i don't know and understand anything of football and hate everyone that does" at the time he was seen as an political outsider and a businessman untouched by our internal political system, than his dellusional affirmations about his management being ranked a 7 out of 10 (he made it literally less than 3 months before we were relegated) or saying that we are going to challenge for the title in 2023 right after we escaped another relegation battle for the Paulistão that same year, he managed to destroy the rest of our reputation both nationaly and overseas like none of our previous presidents have ever dreamt of doing, and that is saying a lot given the history of our last 4 presidents, to close my comment, i am very heartbroken by this relegation but not much surprised, i didn't expected to be this humiliating tho, but i still have a little glimpse of hope for our new old president, that he changed some of his negative vices and that he is going to bring this club back to the place from we should never have left with some more than necessary structural and administrative changes aswell, thanks for the video mate, and good luck to your channel 🙏🏻
As a Gremio fan, it’s insane how we nearly won the league title despite there being only three teams that conceded more goals than us, and they were all relegated
Although not a Santos supporter myself (Palmeirense), this was probably the most in-depth video to the Santos downfall I've seen since their relegation at the end of the season a few weeks ago. I honestly hope they'll bounce back, since, although they're one of our big state rivals, I've never really had any animosity towards them, but knowing Brazilian football as well as I do, I believe they'll be in Serie B for the foreseeable future, at least until they can get their affairs in order. Marcelo Teixeira is not the way...
Fascinating fact I learnt from Brazil: since 2002, European teams that beat Brazil in World Cup will suffer from protracted crisis and will be the beginning of the eventual collapse. France, Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium both beat Brazil during that span and both suffered crisis later on. Only France have successfully recovered. Croatia, the recent executor of Brazil, is unclear, but their football has just recently suffered a shocking crisis in the youth level, the U17 failed to progress in U17 Euros, the U21 team could not even score a single goal in U21 Euro 2023, while Croatian national team was almost eliminated from the Euro 2024 run had it not been for Wales flopping to Armenia; the crisis is made worse by Croatia’a alarming shortage of young talents, hell why they are still depending on Luka Modric. Due to the shockingly poor performance, for the first time Croatian media has worried that they would be eliminated from the group stage under Dalic. This is as much shocking as Santos’ tragic relegation.
Perhaps Germany is the biggest collapses when it comes to the national team. Would be surprised if they, along with Brazil, potentially failed to qualify for the expanded World Cup in 2026!
@@ezraezra2928 Brazil will qualify but this will depend on who is to be in charge. Diniz has ended his unsuccessful interim role, while Brazil is still hoping for Ancelotti or Xabi Alonso to take the job. Quite interestingly, Real Madrid also began the process to hire Lionel Scaloni. Probably Real has approved Ancelotti to go.
@@ezraezra2928 its absurd to think Brasil wouldnt qualify, there are 6 spots now for 10 teams. if it were 4 like it was, it would be at risk. but no way teams like venezuela, paraguai, peru would take brasil spot
I'm a Flamengo supporter, and this year was pretty underwhelming, but looking at what happened to other clubs (especially Santos), I'm really forced to say thanks for not being in their same situations
Watch out for Manaus-based side Amazonas. Manaus happens to be one of Brazil's big cities that's far away from everything else, but it also had been a rapidly growing city too. At least until recently.
It is and at the same time it isn't. Having 12 big clubs means that in Brazilian Football even the greatest are victims of cyclic irrelevance from time to time. Every major club in Brazil is prone to this. Palmeiras and Flamengo are the thoughest guys around now, but in the mid 2000's they were trash.
In Santos' home match against Gremio this year, at the 45th minute of the 2nd half, Pelé's soul kept the ball in play to allow a brilliant counter to unfold which meant a 2x1 comeback. It's devastating that despite that theyve been relegated.
About Robinho's crime: It is not that Brazil dont have an extradiction deal. The fact is Brazil's constitution prohobits The country to extradite its own citizens
Always love an Alfie video, but his mic volume is always so much louder than most of the other stuff on YT, so every time I watch one it starts like " *JUST WHAT IS GOING ON AT...* "
I am still waiting for a video about Thailand, a major powerhouse in Southeast Asia yet incapable at breaking through to Asia... despite the fact that Thailand has one of the richest football leagues in Asia and their clubs' finances are astonishingly beyond belief due to their relative richness.
Mind you, santos are such a huge historic club that they even had the English football community interested during the 50’s which is saying something as the English were very prideful (still are) of their football scene league and nation. They had even asked some of the busby babes to join their team all the way over in Brazil and they genuinely considered finalizing those deals.
20:00 add insult to injury, back in 2014 Santos had the chance of relegating Palmeiras in the Brasileirão a second time in 3 years, had they done it most likely Palmeiras wouldnt be the team that is today xD 33:04 small clarification, Bragantino has played in Brazilian top division, includint a second place finish in 1991, in that time the tournament was more of a Cup than a League
As a Santos supporter, this is an expected death. Everybody (excluding the president and club management) knew, it is impressive how bad this club has been managed. If it was a small bakery, it would have bankrupted a long time ago.
Não sou santista, mas a falta de memória do brasileiro é algo assustador. Santos sempre brigou na parte de cima da tabela. Só dos anos 2000 pra cá, além dos dois brasileiros o Santos teve no mínimo uns 3 vice campeonatos, fora a final da Libertadores perdida por um detalhe contra o Palmeiras. Também teve um vice campeonato da Libertadores perdida em 2003 contra o Boca. O Santos está indiscutivelmente no top-3 maiores clubes do Brasil, lembrando que é o único time grande que não está localizado em uma capital, o que dificulta ainda mais a aproximação de novos torcedores. O Santos só pecou pela estrutura precária, um estádio com capacidade de 12 mil pessoas é ridículo. Palmeiras e Corinthians são exemplos disso, começaram a ganhar tudo depois dos investimentos + estádios modernos, coisa que o Santos NUNCA teve. Infelizmente futebol é isso: dinheiro. Tradição não paga salários, hoje um jogador médio prefere jogar no Fortaleza do que no Santos.
Concordo com tudo que vc disse. e acrescento que há uma mafia de velhos e empresarios que sempre estao levando a maior parte dos jogadores revelados no clube. O dinheiro evapora mais rapido que chuva no asfalto de Cuiabá
Excellent video...... there are some big problems in Brazil (football and wider society). I went past the Portuguese stadium in São Paulo last year, but had no idea the size of it on the inside until this video. I'd so love to see a match there (and at the Santos ground), but I'm advised that safety can't be guaranteed in São Paulo, any time but particularly on match days....... that really made me sad as I would love to visit those two grounds and Corinthians and Palmeiras (i did the stadium tour of the latter) 😕
As a Brazilian, I have a theory why Santos FC is in so bad shape, besides economic mismanagement. I think that, in a degree unlike many other teams in Brazil, Santos has been historically specially dependent on their youth ranks. Out of the around 43 titles they have achieved so far, more than 30 are concentrated in 3 eras: the Pelé era (1957-73 or 74), the Meninos da Vila era (2002-2005) and the Neymar era (2007-2013). And what all those eras have in common? All those squads had youth players as their backbone - in the first, Pelé, Coutinho, Pepe, for instance; the second, Robinson, Diego, etc.; the third, Neymar and PH Ganso. And if you take those eras, SFC is left with less than 10 titles or something like that. So, in a sense, their historical glory is very much dependent on "homemade" football stars that keep on the club for a sufficient amount of time to win trophies. And that is a problem for them because (1) they have produced recently good prospects like Rodrygo - a good player, but simply not as good as stars like Robinho, Pelé or Neymar; so, their youth ranks are simply not as good as they used to be in the past, in my opinion; and (2) promising youth prospects leave Brazil extremely early now, to the point that (for example) Vini Jr barely played for Flamengo and left, and Endrick only managed to win a lot for Palmeiras because he is extremely young, playing since he was 16, not yet with the age of 18 needed to be able to play in Europe. Therefore, Santos FC not only would need to revamp its management, but also either reinforce their youth ranks again OR change this historical tendency, becoming a team not so dependent on home grown players as they have been so far.
33:10 i love your content alfie, but there's a mistake here, Clube Atlético Bragantino did have a couple of top flight seasons before turning into red bull, the club was even 1991 Serie A runners-up. I would assume that the misconception lies that there are 2 red bull clubs, the bragantino that they bought when it was at serie B, and Campinas, a long term project that they shelved almost completely by now, now it's just a "B" club, so i think you were talking about the Campinas franchise, not the Bragantino one. Great video as always!
Really good, but two quick corrections are needed: 1 - Bragantino did play in the first division for quite some time before red bull's acquisition, except for the recent 20 years. They even figured in the league's final in 1991 vs. São Paulo. 2 - All but two of the G12 clubs were relegated to the second division. São Paulo and Flamengo were never relegated.
Not classed as the same club is what red bull does, it took over Leipzig a club who played in bunderliga in the 80s and 90, Salzburg who spent most time in top in Austria bunderliga and New York metrostars became redbull too. Awful company who owner was on the run
Talking about the history of football is impossible without talking about Santos FC, thank you for the job well done, even in this sad circumstance for Santos
Major trophy cup win then relegation Corrupt hairdresser owner sent to jail Self destructive manager sackings Mystery and faceless owners Half the stadium gets closed Points deductions Training ground burns down Supporter protests Tom Brady investing And amongst all this, producing what could be of the greatest players of all time in Bellingham Surely there must be a video on Birmingham City soon?
São Paulo and Fluminense staying mid table is kinda common. Especially because both focused in other tournaments (São Paulo with the Brazil Cup and Fluminense with the mentioned Libertadores). As Brazilian teams don’t have as strong squads as known European clubs, they tend to prioritize one tournament and survive on the others. I am a São Paulo fan, and even though in 2023 we stayed mid table because we prioritized winning the Brazil Cup, it’s been kinda normal for us to miss out on the Libertadores 😅 At least we are back this year!!
I was wondering when you'd publish this one. Even DMd you on Twitter but got blocked bc I wasn't giving them my money. As a Brazilian, sad for our history. As a Grêmio fan HAHAHAHAH
Hey, i am a fan of the Santos Futebol Clube, I was very sad about a relegation of my team, but I believe we can return to the first division of national football, and we will return to being at least a portion of what we were before. So that's it, my English isn't very good, but I hope you understand.
Brazil's current crisis is reflected deeply not just Brazil but the entirety of South America. There are signs that South American nations can't catch up with the new football development, and that Argentina's 2022 World Cup win is more like the last ditch effort to prevent the eventual demise of South America. This is not helped by Europe's footballing policies aiming to disable South America's football strength, such as draining their young talents from early ages, to creating the UEFA Nations League to prevent South American nations from playing friendlies with European teams; the latter alone proved costly as South American nations lost access to European football in friendly terms. Hell that's why a growing portion of South Americans are now in favour to merge CONMEBOL and CONCACAF to one. Historically the idea of merging North and South America was deemed unrealistic because South Americans regarded North America as inferior. Unfortunately, when Europeans are seeing South America the same way, South Americans have bitterly come to realise the only way to regroup and regain strength... is the eventual unification of CONCACAF and CONMEBOL to one. Messi's arrival to Miami, a city where 90% population are Latinos, indicated such a thing, but the road to unification remains long and difficult ahead.
Being relegated when it was almost impossible to happen, losing a game with the only goal your biggest player never managed to do in their whole life, in the championship where it pays homage to that said player... oh god, I can feel the pain and I'm not even a Santos fan.
Clarification Redbull created a club in a small city in the state of São Paulo, but they never even played the Serie B of the Brasileirão, second-tier of the national league. So they bought Bragantino, also a club from a small city in the state of São Paulo, in that year was in the Serie B. But Bragantino had played in Serie A a handful of times before Redbull acquisition, and even got to the final in 1991 with Mauro Silva as their star player and a young Vanderlei Luxemburgo as manager, but lost the title to São Paulo. By the way, the acquisition of Bragantino by Redbull has some weird stuff that at the time wasn't showed, but come out in the news afterward.
There is never a boring day in Brazilian football for better or for worse
No, there isn't hahahaha it's definitely not like La Liga where everyone always knew who was gonna win since 1940. Palmeiras and Flamengo have taken high spot in last 5 years, but that can change dramatically based on foreigner money, as we can see Botafogo, Bahia, Bragantino. In that way, the most alike championship is the Premier League, where West Ham, Newcastle will probably have higher protagonism in next years.
Para nós santistas o dia 6 de dezembro foi um dia não apenas chato no futebol. Foi um dia horroroso e humilhante
kkkkkkk santos só vive de passado kkkkkkkkk timeco ruim@@neideandrade2767
As a brazilian, cannot phrase it better
@@leandronardi7867😅😮
I'm Brazilian but I have lived in Portugal for the past five years, and I always used a sentence to describe how thrilling Brazilian football is: "over there, the league is so competitive due to the sheer number of "big" clubs that by the end of one or two bad seasons you will be relegated, since you cannot put a trophy that you won a couple of years ago to play as a striker or a midfielder. If your club doesn't get relegated after two awful seasons, you're a Santos supporter." I guess I'll have to find another example hahahaha
So, Santos is the Los Angeles Chargers of football
São Paulo ou Flamengo irmão, os únicos a não cair (Cuiabá nao conta, muito pouco tempo na série A)
@@FeeOLimA não foi isso que eu quis dizer. O São Paulo teve aí uma época de vacas magras mas só um ou outro ano correu sério risco de rebaixamento, num desses anos só não caiu porque o Hernanes veio pra salvar a pátria. A questão que eu quis levantar foi que se um time brasileiro (grande ou pequeno) faz um, no máximo dois anos de um péssimo trabalho, ele corre sérios riscos de cair. Só para dar um exemplo, fiquei um tempão ouvindo sobre a "crise do Sporting" e o pior que aconteceu foi jogar a Liga Europa, eles nem cogitavam ser rebaixados. Por fim, Flamengo rebaixado em 1995 e São Paulo no paulista de 1990. Reclamações disque @RaíSouzaVieiraDeOliveira e @TelêSantana.
Ah sim, Flamengo e São Paulo são Illuminati.... Só nessa tua choradeira já deu pra elevar um tanto o nível do Atlântico....
Did you just quote yourself?
23/24 has to be one of the weirdest seasons so far across the world.
Girona challenging Real and Barca, Leverkusen owning Bayern, Man City not rooted to the top of the league, Lyon potentially being relegated, Santos ACTUALLY being relegated… I could go on
Even the league in my home country (Nigeria) is weird with some random small club based in a village just outside Lagos currently topping the league 💀
Never heard anyone bringing up the NFL (Nigerian Football League) in a conversation that's nice considering how poor of a job it's been promoted in sports channels
Village clubs everywhere seem to be doing well, Hoffenheim too
And the fact that Arouca is still in Portugal’s top flight at all is impressive
@@shawklan27yeah it’s sad how much Nigeria overlooks its own league, considering the talent of some of the young players there.
Things are changing though, teams like Remo (the team I was talking about in my original comment), Katsina, Kano, Gombe, Sporting Lagos and Enyimba are pulling in huge crowds and the games are actually being streamed (only if you’re in West Africa though, anywhere outside then good luck watching)
Also in my country, Thailand. Chonburi FC is currently a relegation contender after finishing a respectable 6th last season.
Edit:Right now, Chonburi FC is currently 11th (at the moment) which is outside of relegation zone.
@@ak74lol in vietnam too binh duong are first even though last year they were 1 point ahead of relegation
I actually saw Santos play in 1973 when they visited Plymouth Argyle.
Pelé scored a 2nd half penalty.
But the mighty Pilgrims beat them 3-2.
Back then football was still magical, we hardly saw foreign players except for the World Cup, but we still knew who all these great players were.
I miss that.
Damn how old were you when u watched O Rei??
Just a small clarification: Bragantino really was a small club without RB acquisition, but it has competed before in top level. Actually, it was Serie A finalist in 1991, losing the title to São Paulo. But, confirming that it was small, it is a good candidate for the most underdog finalist ever.
Guarani 1978?
@@axxessmundiNope, Guarani was BIG at the time (they also reached the final in 86 and 87).
I'd say Portuguesa in 1996 or Fortaleza in 1968
@cauedantas Nope...Guarani were not considered big as the Clube dos 13. Guarani never won a estaddual either. You're welcome
@@axxessmundiGuarani may not be a G-12 or G-13 club, but was (and still is) way bigger than Bragantino ever was before RB. Same goes for Fortaleza and Portuguesa. My top three underdog finalists would be Bragantino, Bangu and São Caetano (they are not listed in a particular order).
@gabrielvogas9770 Again Guarani were and still considered a 2nd tier feeder team.
Andres Rueda on football: "I don't understand it, I don't want to understand and I'm angry with those who understand"
A REAL QUOTE FROM OUR FORMER PRESIDENT
Even more worse in Peru, bro.
Andres Ruedas was Santos' president
Andrés Rueda is the worst president in the history of Santos. He practically scrapped a club that was in the Libertadores final when he took over
Man, when we talk Pele, Santos came to mind. Sad to see them collapsed. I hope they will return.
That's one of the reasons why i say the brazilian league IS more entertaining than any european league, Santos fell, yes, but so did Palmeiras, Atlético Mineiro, Corinthians. Atlético Mineiro won the libertadoras in 2013, Corinthians won the kibertadores in 2012 and beat Chelsea at the CWC final in that same year, and palmeiras won two libertadores and 2 brazilian championship Série A in the few years, no one is immune tô relegation in brazil, Vasco beat Manchester United 3 - 0 in 2000 and since then was relegated 4 times
@@Bielgv1 todos os times ingleses tbm já foram rebaixados ..
Pelé said that his team is Vasco da Gama, though he played most of the time in Santos.
@@ilgattoparddo when he was a kid , vasco minha rola
@@ilgattoparddo No he said that his team was, and has always been, Santos, he did on some occasions express sympathies to Vasco, even calling himself a 'fan' of the team, but the truth is, Pelé will always be associated with Santos, and no one can change that.
Fun Facts: If you don't know, the disappointing loss against Argentina was also notable low moments for the Brazillian Football, as it happened in the home soil (Maracana). This was the first time in the history of the World Cup qualifiers that they lost at home.
And they also lost the 2021 Copa America Final to the same opponent in the same stadium
I mean at that point the bad phase was already on so It was hardly disappointing, as a brazilian I bet on Argentina that day and bought myself some beer
@@zanesc01How did it feel with watching the Brazil vs Argentina not to be rude cause you know it’s been quite a show watching how things unraveled in that match
@@Navy-Glen It was pretty funny, the Rio de Janeiro Police is a joke as always
@@rohithraman6488 As another fascinating fact regarding this unfortunate thing: Brazil had always won the Copa America everytime they staged the tournament (1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, and 2019). The 2021 tournament was initially staged to be held in 2020, with Argentina and Colombia being chosen as a co-hosts. Then, it was postponed a year later and both countries lost their rights just a few weeks before the tournament had began.
Can you please make "How did Botafogo suceed to lose the championship when they led the table with 13 points gap?"
Not sure if anyone will tune in to that video
"Bottlefogo or Botafraudo? The Botafogo story"
@@mnm5165 It was a pretty popular ongoing story in the last few months on social media due to how unbelievable it was so there'd probably be interest
"succeed to lose"? ..... Just say lose.
I could probably answer this; drop at least 15 points due to corruption in Brazil.
As a Peñarol fan, I remember losing the Libertadores final against Santos in 2011. It´s a final we particularly remember, due to it being the last time any of both teams (don´t forget we are talking about two of the most significant teams in world football history) had any chance of winning anything on an international level. Especially us, manyas, who have been watching the decline for years, knew it was probably the last chance to get la sexta
Santos had a 2nd big chance in 2020 in the libertadores finals, but lost
@@viniciuscoxoba3842I remember watching that game with my father, and GOD was that a TERRIBLE final, probably the worst of all time, but it was pretty sad to see Santos conceiving a goal in the final minutes, I think that if it went to extra time they would've been crowned Champions...
@@RichardZNot River Plate should have won that one. Lost to Palmeiras in the semifinals in the aggregate but dominated last match in Sao Paulo and didn't qualify only by minimum details. Had River passed, it would definitely massacre Santos in the final.
@@RichardZNota TERRIBLE final, a classico between the two most historical teams of Sao Paulo.
@@leandronardi7867no way dude, if it was Santos vs River Plate, Santos would win dont forget Santos 6 - 0 Boca on aggregate, that justifies why the final was so equilibrated while on Brazil everyone was expecting a Palmeiras massacre
I am Chilean, and I would say it is not limited to Brazil. Sadly, Santos' downfall is also the ongoing situation for many Latin American countries' football. Especially with our case. It's sad.
Why? Apart from players going to Europe....
Santos's downfall was a natural thing to happen in the Brazilian league, "new clubs" arose like Athl. Paranaense and RB Bragantino. It's a sign that the league is more competitive than never.
We are all exporters of commodities, which explains our financial difficulties and the difficulties of clubs in keeping good players.
A queda do Santos é 100% culpa do ex presidente, ele destruiu o time vice campeão da libertadores em 2021 e por três anos nos fez brigar para não ser rebaixado . É o pior presidente da história do Santos FC !!!
I was at Vila Belmiro when it all happened. Absolutely gutting, but we were ticking all the boxes of the “relegation checklist” over the past years.
Thanks for shedding light on what happened to my Santos to the world, Alfie. We will come back stronger from this downfall.
Putz, cara, sinto muito!
@@leandronardi7867 tamo junto, véi! 👊
Tive o desprazer de estar lá também, portão 25, dia mais triste da minha história com futebol. Felizmente ao longo dos meus 30 anos eu pude ver bastante coisa boa ao vivo também, então pode ter certeza que voltaremos mais fortes sim e logo estaremos onde não deveríamos ter saído.
Como que fala chupa em inglês???
@@BSC7 tava no 1/2, virou uma zona de guerra assim que o segundo dos caras saiu. chorei de profunda tristeza mesmo, admito! mas é isso aí cara, vamo apoiar o nosso Santos pra que voltemos ao lugar de onde nunca deveríamos ter saído, como você bem disse! ⬜️⬛️
I would like to correct only one mistake: Bragantino had played Serie A football before Red Bull, and were even runners-up in 1991 with Mauro Silva as their star player and a young Vanderlei Luxemburgo as manager. But after this era, they were a team that went up and down Serie B and C.
Am Paraguayan and you can make a video about ongoing Paraguayan football crisis. We are now so weak that even a Brazil in crisis can destroy us.
The explanation will be the same: money
8 months later… Paraguay beats Brazil in a World Cup qualifying match! Unreal!
What a good video! One thing I find very interesting about the Brasileirão is that due to the sheer number of qualification spots for continental cups, you often have between two and four teams between relegation and these qualification spots. Meaning just a few points could have vastly different outcomes
The big number of qualification spots make it very fun to see every team battling for something
Teams at the top are competing for the title
Then right behind them there are the ones trying to get to Libertadores
Then a bunch of teams fighting to keep their sulamericana spot
And with 4 relegations, the 2~4 teams in 12/14 to 16 will regardless be happy not to get relegated
This happened with Santos. They lost against Fortaleza and got relegated, but if they had won that match and Cruzeiro had lost to Palmeiras, they would have qualified to Copa Sudamericana
Being a Pele fan it made me sad, Santos was where beauty was born.
But at least Santos can still come back. Unlike the tragedy of my country Myanmar however. A video about our Myanmar’s football collapse is worth paying attention, why Myanmar, once a historic giant of Asian football by 1950s and 1960s, is now demising, and understanding the destructive role of the brutal military regime behind its demise.
@@PnCKSMTRYou seriously think that 90%+ of people wouldn't know that Myanmar is a country 😂
@@PnCKSMTR You certainly not heard of Myanmar. Myanmar used to be among the strongest in Asia. Besides, it was the 1950s and 1960s, when Myanmar was at peak of their strength, not 2020s.
@@PnCKSMTR And? Are you tired of pamphleting racism and hatred?
@@PnCKSMTR I stated history and fact. You have an emotional issue. Football is not surrounded only to Europe nor to a small island. If you think supremacy helps you, go home and seek psychiatrist. Your sentiment is full of hate, just that.
About Santos, growing up as a kid Santos was always that odd team that never competed for anything and was just there. Then they had that fluke brasileirão, the last one with playoffs when they manage to win dispite having the 8th best record in the first phase. This helped them a lot and the new young players in Robinho, Neymar and Ganso really helped them keep relevant. But after 10 years of the departure of Neymar and after the new stadia for the world cup, Santos still plays in a small and woefully old stadium, and teams from other places, like Fortaleza and Cuiabá, really upped their game.
Além do Santos ser o time que ninguém odiava, talvez por ser tão inofensivo. Antes do Neymar, eu lembro que quando a minha família se juntava de fim de semana, a gente colocava futebol de fundo e todo mundo torcia pelo Santos, detalhe: ninguém torce pro Santos kkkk
That team with Diego, elano, Alex, Robinho that got beat in the libertadores off boca was brilliant
Same with most clubs in Peru. You can't see any difference.
Even in second division, Santos is way more relevant than Cuiabá and Fortaleza. And, Santos is planning to build new stadium in 2024.
@@valmorjanjacomo653Just after the fan burnt the current one to the ground😅
It was one of the best if not the best Campeonato Brasileiro of the history and here's a small on the pitch summary of how Santos got relegated in the final days.
It was a deserved relegation due to incredible amount of miss management, but it was unexpected how it happened. Santos was battered 7x1 against Internacional in the 28th round, sinked into the relegation spots and bounced back winning 3 games and drawing 4, reaching the 36th round outside the relegation spots.
At that moment there were at least 5 teams fighting to escape relegation and Santos was 14th, 2 points clear with 3 matches against teams that weren't playing for anything in the championship anymore. Fluminense (at home) was just waiting for the Club's World Cup, Athletico Paranaense (away) and Fortaleza (at home) were qualified for the Sulamericana with no chance of going to the Libertadores. Santos had 43 points and no team has ever been relegated with 45 points in the history of the Brasileirão, so it was expected that Santos would escape with those fixtures.
Then disaster struck, Fluminense ended Santos's 7 matches unbeaten run with a demoralizing 3x0 at Santos's home where Fluminense's keeper was the Man of the Match and Santos hit the post 3 times in a tragic night. Athletico Paranaense at home battered Santos with an easy 3x0 where Santos didn't show up.
Both Bahia and Vasco also lost their 2 matches so Santos was still clear by 2 points with 43 in 15th, followed by Vasco with 42 and Bahia with 41. On the last day Bahia had to face at home 2nd place Atlético Mineiro that needed to win to secure a Libertadores group stage spot and Vasco had to face at home 6th place Bragantino with no ambitions on the championship while Santos had to face 11th place Fortaleza that also had no more ambitions on the championship.
Bahia was the favourite to be relegated while Santos had the most favourable match up. At the final day Bahia destroyed Atlético Mineiro 4x1 in an impressive display (they really shouldn't be fighting there), then Marinho former Best Player in America in 2020 for Santos scored the first for Fortaleza against Santos, Santos equalized on the 2nd half and was surviving with the draw because Vasco was also drawing at home when at the 38th minute, Serginho, who was humiliated by a journalist in his own new signing interview (really interesting story) scored for Vasco to save Vasco from relegation.
Santos got desperate and went forward unorganized and at 50th minute Lucas Lima missed a pass with the keeper out of position going to the attack, Lucero from Fortaleza received the ball and scored from the middle of the pitch the goal that was famously known as the goal that Pelé missed from the middle of the pitch. 2023 was the Brasileirão Rei (King), a tribute to King Pelé who died at the very end of 2022 and Lucero scoring that goal in the last minute to send Santos down to Serie B was a great irony.
Como vc pode chamar um campeonato que o Santos caiu e quem deveria ser campeão não foi de melhor da história? Pra mim foi o pior e mais injusto da história.
@@neideandrade2767 Santos's relegation was one of the most deserved. They've been doing everything they could on the management side to be relegated for few years. I'd argue that they should've already been relegated and it's a miracle it took them this long to go down.
Also we had 5 way title fight up until the penultimate fixture and a 3 way relegation fight up until the last day. How's this not amazing? It sucks for relegated teams but it was an amazing championship.
@@neideandrade2767como mais injusto? O Santos jogou essa bola toda mesmo?
@neideandrade2767ah ta, pq Pelé morreu teriam que dar o troféu pro Santos então??
Ah para, então depois que o Maradona morreu deveriam ter dado o título pro Argentinos Juniors o clube que revelou ele?
Santos is one of my favourite respective Brazilian clubs ever but honestly,I was extremely so shocked to see them being relegated to the Brazilian's Serie B for the very first time in their history,good friend!!!A club which produced the likes of Pele,Coutinho(legendary) and Neymar suffered mainly their financial mismanagement and management problems for a decade which them to suffer this debacle,good friends!!!I am extremely so hopeful to see them getting a new owner to start galvanising the squad and work hard to achieve automatic promotion to the Brazilian Serie A for next season,good friends!!!LONG LIVE SANTOS!!!🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The new president seems to be doing well so far. I think Santos pops right back up on the Série A.
@@vortona I do hope so and I have been getting updated with the Brazilian Serie A and B respectively ever since I was a child,good friend!!!🏋♂️
33:10 Just a small correction, Bragantino actually played the Brasileirão finals in 1991 (the league went through multiple formats before settling in the current round-robin style) and had decent results up until the mid to late 90's, but I believe you were probably only looking at the league past 2003, which would make the statement correct.
Great to hear that Alfie has such a big following in Brazil
Great video! Since you mentioned Botafogo, I think a video about their historical bottling after a 13 point lead (I swear, I don't know if they had 14 at one point of the league) with many details as possible because it's a crazy plot worthy of a movie, there's even this quote "There are things that only happen to Botafogo"
Santos's relegation was expected here in Brazil, we all knew they were going to be relegated in a few years, they almost got relegated in the state league last year.
As a Santos fan and resident of Santos, I'm happy that the team is remembered by so many people outside of Brazil but sad due to the circumstances. Few comment on Santos being the only big team outside a state capital. Congratulations on the in-depth research! I often read that this team existing is a miracle. But the city of Santos also has the largest port in Latin America and is very close to São Paulo. It is a rich but charming city. Counting only adjacent cities, it has close to 1.5 million people. And the club offers free buses on game days to bring club members from São Paulo, leaving from different parts of the city. If the club had been better managed in recent years, the location of the stadium would not be the problem. Little is said about the success of our young players coming precisely from their proximity to professionals. "It's just jumping over a wall." This is reported to facilitate adaptation. But in big clubs their training centers are separate due to the limited space available in large urban centers. Corinthians, Palmeiras and São Paulo, even though they have more money, more fans, more infrastructure, do not reveal as much stars like here. Something works here that doesn't work there. It's something to think about.
O São Paulo é o único que revela bastante grandes nomes, a diferença é que o Santos revelou o Pelé, aí acaba a comparação.
@@carlosleao233 Dos grandes é que o faz o melhor trabalho mas essa distância dos CTs realmente atrapalha a adaptação. E pelo tamanho da cidade era pra revelar muito mais. Vou ser um pouco especifico aqui. O pai do Endrick comentou que escolheu o Palmeiras pois eles ofereceram um trabalho para ele dentro do clube. Pensa quantas famílias poderiam se mudar do interior ou do norte, nordeste ou de obde for e ainda conseguir emprego na cidade de São Paulo. Isso numa cidade menor como Santos tem menos oportunidades. Percebe como deveria ser muito maior a distância entre os clubes?
No, please do not fail to qualify. If Brazil fails to appear in 2026, football world is death.
I think they’ll manage to squeeze themselves through and qualify.
If they fail, well, every big football nation had some bad times, like France in 2008-2012 and Germany right now. They will come back to their former glory eventually
if we fail to qualify in the south american qualifiers, we do not, and I cannot stres that enough, *DO NOT* deserve to play in the World Cup ever again.
It's basically 7 spots for 10 competing nations
Video Idea: The expansion of the World Cup to include 48 teams, and it's impact, for better or worse, on the sport.
After watching 38 minutes to hear Alfie end this with, essentially, "On the bright side, Pele is dead." Happy story!
You should definitely make a separate video on the historic botafogo collapse
When a big team is relegated it's always a historical moment, but for me, every team will eventually be relegated in Brazil. Even São Paulo and Flamengo, the two remaining ones, had already barely escaped relegation a few times. Santos' relegation is not surprising at all, they've been flirting with relegation for a few years now even in the state championship.
Alfie, a bit curious but a video about Lebanon's struggling situation with football is needed. Despite football being the most played sport in every West Asian nations, this doesn't seem to be the case of Lebanon. In fact, Lebanon may have one of the worst football development record in West Asia, their U17 and U23 teams have never been to an U17 or U23 Asian Cups, while the U20 have only qualified twice for the U20 Asian Cup. Simultaneously, Lebanon has performed very poor in Asian Cup for senior nations. This is even more shocking when, by the irony, Lebanon has the oldest continuing football league in Asia, the Lebanese Premier League, which has been running since 1932 and even far older than the more successful J.League or K-League.
Imagine having the oldest ongoing football league in Asia and then performed even poorer than Japan and Korea 😮
It used to be quite a western country, but it's became less of such over time. I would imagine any video would have to cover politics and religion which just won't happen.
@@ourmonarchy326japan has a very good league and both japan and korea have some of the best national teams in Asia so its not really an insult to be worse than them😭😂
@@ourmonarchy326 These are two of the best national teams in Asia.
It's like saying a South American team has "performed even poorer than Brazil and Argentina 😮"
You might have intended as an insult, but it makes no sense.
People thought that having the oldest football league would result in better environment, stronger competitors and strengthening the national team.
Why is Lebanon such a contradiction? Having the oldest ongoing football league since 1932, which was certainly even older than the likes of Japan, South Korea and Australia's A-League, yet Lebanese football is such a shamble?
"When is HITC Sevens going to make a video about this?"
My exact thoughts about most things football 😂
"i am four parallel universes ahead of you"
The Brazilian League is super unpredictable
No fan of Neymar but he should buy Santos with his Saudi blood money
This video is so beautifully done. I had no foreign football fans were interested in our teams to this level of detail.
Nascer, Viver e no Santos Morrer é um Orgulho que nem todos podem ter! Com o Santos onde e como ele estiver! O Maior Time da Terra! 🤍🖤👑⚽🌎
You could even make a video about the Brazilian national team.
Cause calling them underperforming is arguably being too nice about it.
I have done, very recently! It's linked on the end screen but also here: ruclips.net/video/qrGyoMPNAr0/видео.html
In crisis maybe.
for almost any other national team in the world it would be underperforming, but for the greatest nation in footballs history its a humiliation
A good mention about Russia’s football collapse, its pivoting to Asia, and possible political implication (especially with the like of Central Asian nations) is worth as well. I have read sportswashing and found that Russia and Kazakhstan have engaged in excessive sportswashing and corruption in European football. Now that Russia is banned, Russia is starting to turn to Asia, while Kazakhstan has recently doubled their ties with Asian nations due to AFC is not hostile to dictatorships as seen in UEFA recently. In this context, being a Swede (Chechen origin), I wonder will tensions result in the eventual Kazexit and Rusexit from UEFA due to opposition against these countries and based on context of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
It's interesting if you put geopolitical perspective. A Russia inside the AFC, if such scenario really happens, will be Kazakhstan's major catastrophe. Russia inside the AFC meant Kazakhstan will be UEFA's furthest member, and separated by a hostile Russia and being plagued by a paranoid Turkish regime helped little. The AFC, full of autocrats as mentioned, is not interested in putting pressure to end a war or an invasion, as seen with what happened in the Iran-Iraq War, or Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Additionally, many Central Asian nations are so weak to even do anything, while China's relations with Russia have greatly improved since 1990s and are now buddies since Putin's war on Ukraine. That also means that if Russia invaded Kazakhstan, using the same context (Kazakhstan-Russia relations are not really harmonious recently, given the past genocide of Kazakhs by Russia) as it did to Ukraine, UEFA could not provide support for Kazakhstan the same way they did to Ukraine, nor even the UEFA could pressure the AFC to do something outside its jurisdiction. Leave alone Kazakhstan's infamous reputation as a despotic nation that used football and UEFA membership for its evil business.
I am not surprised why Kazakhstan is searching for alternative solution. As for now, they may need to hope that the UEFA is still tolerant to them first. Kazakhstan should have wished it had not joined the UEFA at the first place. Probably Kazakhstan thought UEFA is NATO, which, probably, its biggest and gravest mistake.
Ufa Aren't you hostile to dictatorships? lol
Hugs from Azerbaijan
man, if Russia goes to asia, they are basically locked in the World Cup (after the suspension gets lifted)
We all know those states with the suffix -istan are basically client states of Russia
@@otaviofrn_adv They will be likely to come together. If Russia is to exit the UEFA, Kazakhstan will certainly understand that its membership in UEFA is counted only by weeks or months. Overall, Kazakhstan has the most miserable geography in the UEFA, not just being the furthest (plus shares similar timeline with India than Europe), but also, it is circled by authoritarian regimes like Iran, China, Pakistan, plus significant influence from Saudi Arabia. AFC, if I remember right, doesn't have a reputation of caring about democracy or human beings like UEFA (something certainly suited both).
@@otaviofrn_adv Not exactly, Kazakhstan has American biological weapons laboratories and the other "istans" have approached the European bloc, Azerbaijan for example, which provides the fuel that Israel uses to massacre the Palestinians.
But I agree that the Russian team is superior to most Asian teams except Japan and South Korea.
Hi there Alfie. Would be very appreciated from me, for you to make a video on the astonishing demise of Budapest Honved FC. From a club which has won 8 Hungarian cups (most recent in 2020), 14 Hungarian league first division titles (last in 2017), whom the star players such as Puskas, Koczis & Czibor- of arguably the best national football team ever- played for, now finds itself languishing in the abyss of 11th currently, in the SECOND division!
Alfie, I am a suporter of santos and was ACTUALLY hoping for this video. Great one, apart from the number of times vasco and botafogo have been relegated, 4 and 3. And some weird pronunciation of names. Hahaha
While small on its own, they do have a hipsterish fanbase in São Paulo as well as the fact in santos itself that they are the only team in a city the size of Sheffield in the top 3 divisions. The major issue is that stadium and its replacement I remember a fan showing me the plans and you are not turning ‘craven cottage’ into a half scale Mercedes Benz stadium for less than 200 million dollars never mind 80.
Santos FC pequeno ? Tu não conhece absolutamente NADA de futebol !!!
To be fair, Botafogo being in the lead is stranger than they bottling it. Even if they had more points that the second place could ever score.
Also, Bragantino was runner-up on Campeonato Brasileiro 1991 so I am pretty sure they had been on top-flight before.
I expected a really crappy video, but you did an excellent job here. Great cinema! Thx, Alfie!
A good look from outside on the state of Brazilian football. One important factor in the relegation battles of big teams is that FOUR teams out of twenty are relegated, unlike European leagues.
Congratulations on gratuitous insertion of Brazilian champions Fluminense in 1970!
Can you make a video about German DFB Pokal fearful Clubs. For example my Hometown club FC Remscheid used to be a fearful Club in the Cup in the 80s but since the last time they where in the 2 bundesliga in 1992/93 they went down all the way to the 7th division. Today they are hard stuck in the 6th Division
Fluminense had a team good enough to win the Brasileirão, and they were in the top positions when they decided not to field their first team in several matches. This is actually quite normal in Brazil, because the travels are quite intense, and only once had a team won both the league and the international cup (2019), and there never was a treble.
Well, yeah, the teams that were playing at the Libertadores were not allowed to play the Brazilian cup up until this past decade, so teams were only playing 2 competitions back then. But if we count the state champioships as the treble requirement 4 teams have won it, Cruzeiro in 2003, Flamengo in 2019, Atletico Mineiro in 2021 and Palmeiras in 2022.
@@henriquesoares2343 In actuality, only between 2001 and 2013 did the teams that qualified for the Libertadores were not allowed to play in the Copa do Brasil, but even if they did, no teams from this time period were able to win the Libertadores and the Brasileirão in the same year, and only Cruzeiro in 2003 did the domestic double, but wasnt qualified for the Libertadores, so that doesnt count either. None of the teams from 2001-2013 would have had the trebble then, so that argument doesnt really matter. The best chance any Brazilian team ever had was Flamengo in 2019, and Atlético Mineiro in 2021, both came very close
Actually, I'm a Flamengo fan, but I'm pretty sure that Pelé's Santos did manage to win both in the same year, I know that Flamengo's 2019 accomplishment was much more harder due to so many games, but still Santos managed to do it
@@RichardZNot I'm a Fluminense fan, but I think we cannot compare what Santos did back in the 60's with what Flamengo did in '19. Even if, of course Pelé's team was better.
As a Brazilian, this video really gives respect to Pelé, so thanks. You could've mentioned the time Pelé and Santos stopped a war.
For his time, Pelé won everything he could multiple times and stayed at his peak for 15+ years, and there are some videos named "Pelé did it first 50 years ago" that are just insane, you can see how far ahead of his time be was. Also, we're talking about a time without the gap between Europe and South America we see today, since European clubs couldn't build international powerhouses while also buying all the South American prodigies, so no "lol dominated a weak league".
It hurts to see people who don't even know Pelé's story and feats simply ignoring him in the GOAT debate.
Great analysis,, just some wrong info about Bragantino. They indeed did have a good run in the early 90s, winning the Campeonato Paulista in 1990 and runners up in the Brasileirão of 1991, at the time there was a playoff system, and they los the final to São Paulo FC. Once top shelf managers like Wanderley Luxemburgo and Carlos Alberto Parreira did have sucessfull spells there, with Mauro Silva being perhaps the most recognized player to have played there in that era. That era did in fact go under later on down the line with the team being relegated all the way down to the third level. Being a small town club, where in a energy drink giant coming in renaming, rebranding, changing the oginal black, white and grey to the companies colors, would only be thinkable in non traditional clubs, not only outside the big 12, but also the i guess "medium-big" teams from the other big cities like Athletico PR, Coritiba, Bahia, Vitória, Fortaleza, Ceará, Sport, Nautico, etc, etc. Now with Santos let´s see what will happen, their likely exit is becoming a SAF - Limited company with foreign investment, if that will be sucessfull who knows, thus far weve had rave results, being in spite of the choke job a success at Botafogo, and not so sucessful at Cruzeiro and the team I support, Vasco, which is a mess of it´s own. Alfie, I reccomend you see the documentary series " A Mão de Eurico " about former Vasco president Eurico Miranda, and the whole chaos he led the club to. Try to check if you can find it with english subs.
It is really sad that the best football player in history died last year and then in less than a year his club got relegated...Sad indeed. My dad almost died this year as well and he's also a Santos supporter.
The saddest part for me isn't even the relegation. It's because after the revival after matchday 27 we really thought it was just over and we could free ourselves once again. But after the 7-1 loss the team entered the pitch more afraid to lose than hopeful to win, and that's when it all fell apart. Some fans were "celebrating" draws because HEY, it isn't a loss! But in the end, those draws were brutal.
It is well known, here in Brazil, that Santos' management has been as corrupt as it gets for the past 30y.
Btw, a 3am release, mate?! Get some sleep.
he lives in uk so if he uploaded 3 hours from when im making this comment as it says, it wouldve been uploaded around 1:30-2:00am california time and UK time is way ahead of us so it wouldve been around 10am for him
Dude publish it in the UK, not Brazil.
Eu tinha 11 anos quando comecei a torcer para esse time, tive um grupo de amigos que jogavam futebol comigo, alguns eram Santos, a gente sempre andava com a camisa do santos para todo lado minha infância eu joguei muito futebol em diversos lugares diferente a gente era como um time isso era em 2011 foi uma época muito boa e até hoje sou santista mesmo com a queda do time ainda continuo a torcer, fez parte da minha infância não deixarei de torcer pro clube pela sua ma fase
Boa parte dos meus amigos hoje em dia torcem para outros clubes que se destacaram nos últimos anos 😅
Bem vindo ao clube de todos os moradores do norte do país.
Really superb video Alfie, growing up as a Santos fan since i was 5 in 2004, those 3 years of the Rueda administration were a living hell, not only he criminally negleted our football side with with the excuse of his so called austerity with unnexplained awfull signings just because they were cheap players but also never lost the opportunity to embarass our club and the fans, first in the literall election campaign of 2020 he said "i don't know and understand anything of football and hate everyone that does" at the time he was seen as an political outsider and a businessman untouched by our internal political system, than his dellusional affirmations about his management being ranked a 7 out of 10 (he made it literally less than 3 months before we were relegated) or saying that we are going to challenge for the title in 2023 right after we escaped another relegation battle for the Paulistão that same year, he managed to destroy the rest of our reputation both nationaly and overseas like none of our previous presidents have ever dreamt of doing, and that is saying a lot given the history of our last 4 presidents, to close my comment, i am very heartbroken by this relegation but not much surprised, i didn't expected to be this humiliating tho, but i still have a little glimpse of hope for our new old president, that he changed some of his negative vices and that he is going to bring this club back to the place from we should never have left with some more than necessary structural and administrative changes aswell, thanks for the video mate, and good luck to your channel 🙏🏻
As a Gremio fan, it’s insane how we nearly won the league title despite there being only three teams that conceded more goals than us, and they were all relegated
Mas só um time fez mais gols que vocês, justamente o Palmeiras
Efeito Luis Suarez...
THAAAANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS ALFIE!!!!!!!
Although not a Santos supporter myself (Palmeirense), this was probably the most in-depth video to the Santos downfall I've seen since their relegation at the end of the season a few weeks ago. I honestly hope they'll bounce back, since, although they're one of our big state rivals, I've never really had any animosity towards them, but knowing Brazilian football as well as I do, I believe they'll be in Serie B for the foreseeable future, at least until they can get their affairs in order. Marcelo Teixeira is not the way...
Eu espero que não se recuperem pra darem lugar a um time do norte ou nordeste kk
A correction: Bragantino played in the first division before, in the 90's. They were even vice champions in the 1991 season.
It's always a treat watching you scratch and try speaking Portuguese words, keep up the great work!
Fascinating fact I learnt from Brazil: since 2002, European teams that beat Brazil in World Cup will suffer from protracted crisis and will be the beginning of the eventual collapse. France, Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium both beat Brazil during that span and both suffered crisis later on. Only France have successfully recovered. Croatia, the recent executor of Brazil, is unclear, but their football has just recently suffered a shocking crisis in the youth level, the U17 failed to progress in U17 Euros, the U21 team could not even score a single goal in U21 Euro 2023, while Croatian national team was almost eliminated from the Euro 2024 run had it not been for Wales flopping to Armenia; the crisis is made worse by Croatia’a alarming shortage of young talents, hell why they are still depending on Luka Modric. Due to the shockingly poor performance, for the first time Croatian media has worried that they would be eliminated from the group stage under Dalic.
This is as much shocking as Santos’ tragic relegation.
Perhaps Germany is the biggest collapses when it comes to the national team. Would be surprised if they, along with Brazil, potentially failed to qualify for the expanded World Cup in 2026!
@@ezraezra2928 Brazil will qualify but this will depend on who is to be in charge. Diniz has ended his unsuccessful interim role, while Brazil is still hoping for Ancelotti or Xabi Alonso to take the job.
Quite interestingly, Real Madrid also began the process to hire Lionel Scaloni. Probably Real has approved Ancelotti to go.
@@ezraezra2928 its absurd to think Brasil wouldnt qualify, there are 6 spots now for 10 teams. if it were 4 like it was, it would be at risk. but no way teams like venezuela, paraguai, peru would take brasil spot
As if Brazil doesn't bring enough curse to the other national teams... should find an exorcist for this or it can be worse.
"I would do anything to beat Brazil in the WC"
Devil: What's up
I'm a Flamengo supporter, and this year was pretty underwhelming, but looking at what happened to other clubs (especially Santos), I'm really forced to say thanks for not being in their same situations
Watch out for Manaus-based side Amazonas. Manaus happens to be one of Brazil's big cities that's far away from everything else, but it also had been a rapidly growing city too. At least until recently.
Crescimento? As notícias aqui é que manaus está em colapso social, claro que uma coisa não exclui a outra.
damn didn’t know santos was actually not that humongous of a club
It is and at the same time it isn't. Having 12 big clubs means that in Brazilian Football even the greatest are victims of cyclic irrelevance from time to time. Every major club in Brazil is prone to this. Palmeiras and Flamengo are the thoughest guys around now, but in the mid 2000's they were trash.
O Santos é gigante 👍
In Santos' home match against Gremio this year, at the 45th minute of the 2nd half, Pelé's soul kept the ball in play to allow a brilliant counter to unfold which meant a 2x1 comeback. It's devastating that despite that theyve been relegated.
How ghoulish. Shame on you.
See it and speak for yourself
About Robinho's crime: It is not that Brazil dont have an extradiction deal. The fact is Brazil's constitution prohobits The country to extradite its own citizens
I think alfie would love to look into Independiente, most succesful southamerican club and constantly in crisis for the last 20 years
As a Vasco da Gama supporter, I know and I saw how an awful management can screw up a gigantic and popular team 'till downfall it to oblivion.
I'm a Santos fan, and we are very upset. But we still know that Santos will comeback, and be the greatest brazilian team again.
In my opinion the most special club in the world, so unique.
Awesome video, I always love to see you make videos about the Brazilian league and Brazilian teams
Always love an Alfie video, but his mic volume is always so much louder than most of the other stuff on YT, so every time I watch one it starts like " *JUST WHAT IS GOING ON AT...* "
Sad to see my santos feature here for these reasons. Keep up the awesome work, alfie
I am still waiting for a video about Thailand, a major powerhouse in Southeast Asia yet incapable at breaking through to Asia... despite the fact that Thailand has one of the richest football leagues in Asia and their clubs' finances are astonishingly beyond belief due to their relative richness.
Drink more milk
That thumping of Brazil in Brazil by the Germans was probably the most traumatic night of footy I've seen. I'm still recovering.
Mind you, santos are such a huge historic club that they even had the English football community interested during the 50’s which is saying something as the English were very prideful (still are) of their football scene league and nation. They had even asked some of the busby babes to join their team all the way over in Brazil and they genuinely considered finalizing those deals.
20:00 add insult to injury, back in 2014 Santos had the chance of relegating Palmeiras in the Brasileirão a second time in 3 years, had they done it most likely Palmeiras wouldnt be the team that is today xD
33:04 small clarification, Bragantino has played in Brazilian top division, includint a second place finish in 1991, in that time the tournament was more of a Cup than a League
As a Santos supporter, this is an expected death. Everybody (excluding the president and club management) knew, it is impressive how bad this club has been managed. If it was a small bakery, it would have bankrupted a long time ago.
Não sou santista, mas a falta de memória do brasileiro é algo assustador. Santos sempre brigou na parte de cima da tabela. Só dos anos 2000 pra cá, além dos dois brasileiros o Santos teve no mínimo uns 3 vice campeonatos, fora a final da Libertadores perdida por um detalhe contra o Palmeiras. Também teve um vice campeonato da Libertadores perdida em 2003 contra o Boca. O Santos está indiscutivelmente no top-3 maiores clubes do Brasil, lembrando que é o único time grande que não está localizado em uma capital, o que dificulta ainda mais a aproximação de novos torcedores. O Santos só pecou pela estrutura precária, um estádio com capacidade de 12 mil pessoas é ridículo. Palmeiras e Corinthians são exemplos disso, começaram a ganhar tudo depois dos investimentos + estádios modernos, coisa que o Santos NUNCA teve. Infelizmente futebol é isso: dinheiro. Tradição não paga salários, hoje um jogador médio prefere jogar no Fortaleza do que no Santos.
Concordo com tudo que vc disse. e acrescento que há uma mafia de velhos e empresarios que sempre estao levando a maior parte dos jogadores revelados no clube. O dinheiro evapora mais rapido que chuva no asfalto de Cuiabá
A coisa do estadio moderno é surpestimada, o importante é ter muitos lugares e ocupa-los.
Esses estádios moderno gastam mais do que geram receita.
Is there any Brazilian club that could be feature in a "Remarkable Rise" video?
Probably Fortaleza.
Athletico, Fortaleza
Bragantino
There is no such situation here.
Excellent video...... there are some big problems in Brazil (football and wider society).
I went past the Portuguese stadium in São Paulo last year, but had no idea the size of it on the inside until this video. I'd so love to see a match there (and at the Santos ground), but I'm advised that safety can't be guaranteed in São Paulo, any time but particularly on match days....... that really made me sad as I would love to visit those two grounds and Corinthians and Palmeiras (i did the stadium tour of the latter) 😕
Just a little correction mate: Bragantino actually played top division football and where in fact runners up in 1990 Brasileirão.
I'd love to see a deep dive on Vasco da Gamas wild last few decades
As a Brazilian, I have a theory why Santos FC is in so bad shape, besides economic mismanagement. I think that, in a degree unlike many other teams in Brazil, Santos has been historically specially dependent on their youth ranks. Out of the around 43 titles they have achieved so far, more than 30 are concentrated in 3 eras: the Pelé era (1957-73 or 74), the Meninos da Vila era (2002-2005) and the Neymar era (2007-2013). And what all those eras have in common? All those squads had youth players as their backbone - in the first, Pelé, Coutinho, Pepe, for instance; the second, Robinson, Diego, etc.; the third, Neymar and PH Ganso. And if you take those eras, SFC is left with less than 10 titles or something like that. So, in a sense, their historical glory is very much dependent on "homemade" football stars that keep on the club for a sufficient amount of time to win trophies. And that is a problem for them because (1) they have produced recently good prospects like Rodrygo - a good player, but simply not as good as stars like Robinho, Pelé or Neymar; so, their youth ranks are simply not as good as they used to be in the past, in my opinion; and (2) promising youth prospects leave Brazil extremely early now, to the point that (for example) Vini Jr barely played for Flamengo and left, and Endrick only managed to win a lot for Palmeiras because he is extremely young, playing since he was 16, not yet with the age of 18 needed to be able to play in Europe.
Therefore, Santos FC not only would need to revamp its management, but also either reinforce their youth ranks again OR change this historical tendency, becoming a team not so dependent on home grown players as they have been so far.
33:10 i love your content alfie, but there's a mistake here, Clube Atlético Bragantino did have a couple of top flight seasons before turning into red bull, the club was even 1991 Serie A runners-up. I would assume that the misconception lies that there are 2 red bull clubs, the bragantino that they bought when it was at serie B, and Campinas, a long term project that they shelved almost completely by now, now it's just a "B" club, so i think you were talking about the Campinas franchise, not the Bragantino one. Great video as always!
Really good, but two quick corrections are needed:
1 - Bragantino did play in the first division for quite some time before red bull's acquisition, except for the recent 20 years. They even figured in the league's final in 1991 vs. São Paulo.
2 - All but two of the G12 clubs were relegated to the second division. São Paulo and Flamengo were never relegated.
Not classed as the same club is what red bull does, it took over Leipzig a club who played in bunderliga in the 80s and 90, Salzburg who spent most time in top in Austria bunderliga and New York metrostars became redbull too. Awful company who owner was on the run
To be fair Santos is a club whose supporters are all in the retirement home.
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Good job, excellent video 👊🏻
Talking about the history of football is impossible without talking about Santos FC, thank you for the job well done, even in this sad circumstance for Santos
Major trophy cup win then relegation
Corrupt hairdresser owner sent to jail
Self destructive manager sackings
Mystery and faceless owners
Half the stadium gets closed
Points deductions
Training ground burns down
Supporter protests
Tom Brady investing
And amongst all this, producing what could be of the greatest players of all time in Bellingham
Surely there must be a video on Birmingham City soon?
Really, really Nice video mate! Thanks for talking a lil bit of Vasco da Gama, the best of the best
34:42 The funniest thing about that picture is that Marinho scored the goal that relegated Santos. He plays for Fortaleza now.
São Paulo and Fluminense staying mid table is kinda common. Especially because both focused in other tournaments (São Paulo with the Brazil Cup and Fluminense with the mentioned Libertadores).
As Brazilian teams don’t have as strong squads as known European clubs, they tend to prioritize one tournament and survive on the others.
I am a São Paulo fan, and even though in 2023 we stayed mid table because we prioritized winning the Brazil Cup, it’s been kinda normal for us to miss out on the Libertadores 😅
At least we are back this year!!
I was wondering when you'd publish this one. Even DMd you on Twitter but got blocked bc I wasn't giving them my money. As a Brazilian, sad for our history. As a Grêmio fan HAHAHAHAH
please make more content about Brazilian football
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This is what normally happens in brazil
Hey, i am a fan of the Santos Futebol Clube, I was very sad about a relegation of my team, but I believe we can return to the first division of national football, and we will return to being at least a portion of what we were before. So that's it, my English isn't very good, but I hope you understand.
3:42 sunny seaside city of santos
*sweet alliteration*
Brazil's current crisis is reflected deeply not just Brazil but the entirety of South America. There are signs that South American nations can't catch up with the new football development, and that Argentina's 2022 World Cup win is more like the last ditch effort to prevent the eventual demise of South America. This is not helped by Europe's footballing policies aiming to disable South America's football strength, such as draining their young talents from early ages, to creating the UEFA Nations League to prevent South American nations from playing friendlies with European teams; the latter alone proved costly as South American nations lost access to European football in friendly terms.
Hell that's why a growing portion of South Americans are now in favour to merge CONMEBOL and CONCACAF to one. Historically the idea of merging North and South America was deemed unrealistic because South Americans regarded North America as inferior. Unfortunately, when Europeans are seeing South America the same way, South Americans have bitterly come to realise the only way to regroup and regain strength... is the eventual unification of CONCACAF and CONMEBOL to one. Messi's arrival to Miami, a city where 90% population are Latinos, indicated such a thing, but the road to unification remains long and difficult ahead.
Being relegated when it was almost impossible to happen, losing a game with the only goal your biggest player never managed to do in their whole life, in the championship where it pays homage to that said player... oh god, I can feel the pain and I'm not even a Santos fan.
As a Brazilian Santos fan, this is a great video
We need more videos like this
Clarification Redbull created a club in a small city in the state of São Paulo, but they never even played the Serie B of the Brasileirão, second-tier of the national league.
So they bought Bragantino, also a club from a small city in the state of São Paulo, in that year was in the Serie B.
But Bragantino had played in Serie A a handful of times before Redbull acquisition, and even got to the final in 1991 with Mauro Silva as their star player and a young Vanderlei Luxemburgo as manager, but lost the title to São Paulo.
By the way, the acquisition of Bragantino by Redbull has some weird stuff that at the time wasn't showed, but come out in the news afterward.