10 Surprising and Unique Features in DxO PhotoLab 5
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- There are a number of RAW photo editing applications out there, but DxO PhotoLab offers a number of unique features that either don't exist or aren't the same in other apps. In this video, I share and demonstrate ten of those features.
Disclaimer: This video is sponsored by DxO. That said, they have not had any editorial input, nor have they seen this video prior to publication. All words and opinions are my own.
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0:00 Intro
1:58 Optics Modules
3:20 Lens Sharpness
5:26 DeepPRIME Noise Reduction
7:06 No Importing
8:33 Smart Lighting
10:49 ClearView Plus
12:45 HSL Color Wheel
16:22 Sharing
17:33 Local Adjustments
20:37 Round-Trip Editing with LR
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If you add a control line and push it passed the image boundary you effectively have a "filled mask". You can then place the selection pipette tool anywhere in the image and make a selection based on the colour/tone under the selection tool. The luma and chroma sliders then enable you to refine the selection based on both luma and/or colour.
Thank you for taking the time to explain all the features, you are very easy on the ear and should be employed by DXO to do their tutorials. I find Photo Joseph the most annoying presenter who likes the sound of his own voice and I never get to fully watch DXO tutorials to the end as it takes for ever for him to pass on the information of the product. I bet that the are lots of people who think the same as me which means DXO has less upgrade sales. So thank you again.
John, I can’t agree more!
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Thank you Todd for this outstanding explanation of some of PhotoLab 5's features. As a relative newcomer to this software your presentation has been enormously helpful and, frankly, inspirational. It's opened my eyes to a whole new world of possibilities, particularly as you mentioned, with my older RAW files. Bravo....
Very Good presentation Todd. I would just like to point out one thing regarding the round trip editing section, specifically when you decide to do color work in PhotoLab and then export as DNG all corrections applied to Lightroom. Lightroom uses Prophoto RGB (or very close to it) as it's working color space whereas PhotoLab uses Adobe RGB. So, on receiving the DNG file from PhotoLab, Lightroom will assign Prophoto RGB color space to the file and display it as such. This means that depending on the image there could be a colour shift. This may not be very much, as it depends on the colours in the image, but it's a possibility. Photoshop on the other hand, can identify that the color space is different, if you have set it up to do so and then give you the choice to keep it as Adobe RGB should you wish. Just something to bear in mind.
I've been a DXO Optics Pro/Photolab user for years yet still picked up some tips from your excellent video. Thank you.
Excellent presentation, even for non-native English speaking people. You‘re really motivating to “play” with that mighty processor, thank you, Todd 👍🤝
This was the best Photolab explanation video I’ve come across. Thank you!
Thank you very much. This is the most informative video explaining the unique features of PL5 I have seen. You have these features easy to understand.
An excellent introduction to PL5 which is now my main if not only RAW processing programme. A slight criticism of the video: the HSL wheel demo comes a bit short. The color picker allows a very fast and precise hue correction while feathering is adjusted on the external wheel.
This is by far the best explainer video for PhotoLab I have seen. I recently purchased PhotoLab 6 and I've been having difficulty finding good tutorials for it. It would be amazing if you could create a series of tutorials (perhaps funded by DxO) explaining each section of PhotoLab 6 and suggested workflows. Excellent job on this!
Thanks for this excellent overview of DXO 5 I currently use version 4 and love it. I shoot a Nikon D810 and a Fuji XT3 and am excited version 5 will allow raw processing for Fuji. Up to now I’ve had to use Capture 1 express for my Fuji raws. I really prefer DXO for both my Nikon and now Fuji editing. Thanks again for bringing us this overview.
Hey, I just got it for my Fuji raw and it took a bunch of 12800 exposures and totally mastered them with the Deep Prime. I got great b&w low to no light performance shots. Capture One express completely fell on its face on them, leaving me desperate enough to check out DXO-5. Good bye Capture One, a very frustrating solution anyway.
Thank you for explaining the new features so clearly, learnt a lot from watching this.
Awesome Review! I just started Photography with an X100V and discarded PL as it didn’t support X-Trans sensors. When PL5 came out, I tried it and was quite impressed. But it still works slower than Capture One.
I was about to get over to Capture One… but am quite disappointed by the Black Friday deals.
DxO, on the other hand, is very generous. I will therefore invest in DxO. I have no doubt that I’ll be able to do all I need in DxO.
Just bought it 3-4 days ago and enjoyed it very much. The only thing I wish was integration with Nik's collection (from DxO also). I wish it can apply the changes on the existing image instead of exporting it out to a new file. Other than that, the optics correction is superb.
Wonderful video that explains what the app is about really well, thank you!
Great overview, thanks!
Great walk around, i like your way of teaching and id like to see in depth tutorial of PL 5
I just bought this thing because it is doing an astonishing job on images from a Halloween performance that I had to shoot at iso 12800 with my Fuji, some underexposed at that. I need b&w images and they are coming out fantastic using Deep Prime on them. For some reason they do better if exported as dng and imported into adobe raw for final fine tuning. Thanks a lot for this, I'm still learning and have a ways to go. I was using the free Capture One Fuji raw converter, but it fell apart big time at the 12800 level.
Lightroom - DXO roundup and support of Fuji RAWs bring me back to DXO - it is a real deal breaker. I like it so much but I had to abandon it when I start shooting Fuji so I started to use Captore one but I dont like its implementation of local adjustments. Now I'm happy and started to process photos much much more often!!! Bravo DXO!
how do you import your photos from the card? via lightroom? what i want ro ask: Adobe has this "ant"-problem with fuji raw's. is this gone when imported to photolab?
Really excellent teaching.
Thank you, Todd. Very well done. I bought DxO Photolab to get rid of the Adobe products. It seems that every presenter focuses on Lightroom and/or Photoshop integration which I find very annoying but can live with. LOL Thanks, again.
Excellent.. thank you.
This video came back up on my suggestions list again (even though I watched it previously last year when it came out). Having now bought PL5, I have to say that it's got some great features and a very good value for the money (even if you buy it at full price, which at the time for me was about $200 for the standalone perpetual licensed version). Even if you just use some of the features like the de-noising and lens corrections and lens sharpness functions, it's worth it, and I'm glad it can generate a DNG and send it back to LR, which is one thing that not many third party apps can do. Usually they create a TIFF which I think you lose some edit ability when converting from a DNG or RAW file to a TIFF, so this is nice that it does this. Of course with the more recent DeNoise AI found in LR Classic, this has probably made buying PL for noise reduction a little less appealling since it is another purchase, but even comparing PL5's denoising to LR's newest built-in AI denoising, I almost still prefer DXO, so to me, PL5 is a great value (having waited this long, I'm just going to wait for PL7 to be released and then upgrade perhaps, since PL7 should be released around October of this year -- 2023). It's not as powerful as say Luminar, but the price can't be beat and if you get it on a CM/BF deal, it's even beter (usually 40%-50% off). I'd say even if you use another raw processor like LR, adding PL to you workflow can be a benefit, it doesn't have to be your primary RAW processor (it isn't in my workflow) but it offers some features that LR simply doesn't have, and some features it just does a lot better than LR, so for some of my images I may send them over to PL from LR before returning to LR and finishing up, others I will start in LR and the nsend to DXO and then send back to LR as a DNG). It's a very flexibile program/workflow that you can fit into your existing workflow.
pretty interesting, I really loved the old interface of Nik, is nice to see this here, didn't upgrade any soft since 2019, probably I take a deep look into this one.
Just a small point. The PL5 control point interface is similar in style to the old Nik tools but the actual tools available are different and in my opinion not as good. But OTOH Nik are abandoning that style in their latest versions, which is a huge pity! But if you are familiar with the PL5 toolset then maybe the PL5 menus will be fine. The two organisations both work for DxO but seem frustratingly unable to unify the tool features and styles.
Finally upgraded to Elite while watching . Thanks for the kick !
Great video that really cover a lot of aspects for people like me that would like to add DXO to existing raw editor. I did try trial version of DXO any way to auto download lens correction without clicking on each download button? Thanks
Thank you for this video. Very good one....One good news is that this version seems to support XT-3 images and thats what i would like to have. Ofcourse the DxO version 4.0 supports GFX files but not x-trans... and this is welcome.
Hi I use it for years since DxO 9 before the changed a bit the name . Yesterday evening I upgraded from version Four and Film Pack Five during there Black Friday deal a superb price total for 89 USD
GREAT video !!!!!!
Very informative for me as a long time DxO user! I just discovered the DxO batch processing feature. This may change my work flow when processing a large number of photos. I ran a batch with optics and denoise exported to tiff. Then used AuroraHDR2019 batch processing of the DxO tiff files. The combo resulted in dramatic improvements and increased "keepers". Many images require no further editing! Those that do would only need minor, selective edits to polish the image. Batch processing starting with DxO improved a large number of images in short time, increased keepers and helped get to the best of the batch for polishing. WOW! Great presentation and I'm now a subscriber! Keep up your good work!
Are you aware of the HDR function in DXO PhotoLab? You don’t have to do a round trip to AuroraHDR if you don’t want to. The best part is that DXO maintain the raw format all through the HDR process. You’re even able to output the final HDR result in a DNG format, for further editing in other softwares. For me, this makes DXO PhotoLab the best HDR processor on the market since it gives you all the available options to work on the HDR composite including local adjustments, DeepPRIME noise reduction, micro contrasts, optical corrections, etc directly on a RAW composite rather than a TIFF file. So much more leverage!
@@freetibet1000 Thanks for sharing your thoughts!👍
@@lumixographer2185 👍👍👍😀
1:49 Which is why it's generally less likely that bad things will be said about a product.
Luckily, DxO products, while not flawless, are pretty dope. I love how control point editing just feels in line with how the brain works, BTW.
👍 Congrats!! 👍
brilliant!!!!
Thank's for this great video.
Do you know what is the best online training course for DxO Photolab 5?
1/13/22 Thank you for sharing this information
thank you so much for this video. I’ve had DxO for longer than I want to admit, but never really understood how to use it fully. I love the denoise tool. I use a lens that DxO does not have a module for, the Sony 400mm prime. I find DxO support a little opaque, is requesting a module the most one can do?
Nice review. I haven't used or upgraded Nik DXO software in years and didn't being old version over to my new desktop computer. I remember having lots of bugs installing it as others reported also. Some parts would download under plugins and some elsewhere and many other problems. Wondering if they have smoothed this out? Also you mentioned working easily between Lightroom and DXO. Do do this do you have to be in dng format or can I stay in my nef format ?
Using Capture One for quite a while, I am highly interested in DXO from your review and how to combine those two.
Thank you for the video. I am unable to use the. lens sharpening feature with my Nikon D610 and Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 lens. No pending module download either.
Very informative and professionally presented! After a long time of testing the Lightroom alternative trial versions I decided to go with PhotoLab 5. It’s pretty much a full replacement for me without the slow catalog Lightroom keeps bloating more and more with every import. I still need to use the tool some more but I am almost confident that it is way more powerful than LR.
Can PhotoLab send files to/from Photoshop? I don't see a whole lot of an advantage of a PL -> LR workflow, but PL to/from Photoshop might be more helpful.
After playing with PL a little, I do agree that the corrections applied are better. Adobe, for example, doesn't seem to have any lens corrections (or very few) for LR for the Nikon Z cameras (partially because Nikon embeds the profile in the RAW file, but other programs like CaptureOne let you turn it on/off). But it just seems that camera/lens profiles are rather sparse in other programs, but DXO has a more extensive line of profiles for the Nikon Z system.
I do like the no-catalog approach (I stopped using LR and went back to Bridge/ACR because with around 20,000+ images I felt my LR catalog was getting a little sluggish, even with optimization, but with Bridge and ACR it's not, and this tneds to fit my workflow better anyway as I don't necessarily need the syncing options to apply settings to multiple files; plus I find myself storing files in a way that I can probably find them just as fast using a Windows Explorer / Mac Finder window that I would in a catalog form (as I was having my catalog structure mimic my file structure).
Todd - many thanks for reviewing DXO - Currently using Capture One, with license renewal coming up in the next month. I was just wondering how you achieve your library folder date structure when importing your images as quite interested in DXOs no image library option - hope that makes sense :)
Best way I’ve found is to use Adobe Bridge to import memory cards. It’s free.
Interesting, and I occasionally use the Nik collection, but not enough to leave Capture 1.
UPDATED: Okay, I bought it in addition to Capture ONE, LOL!
I started using PL4 about a year ago, and upgraded to 5 recently. 5 is much faster than 4 in terms of processing speed. At least on my PC and windows laptop. Can't comment on Mac.
very nice video
Hi Todd, what photo editing app you use as photoshop alternative? Or do you use photoshop?
Love your videos Todd, just a comment, while elegant and nice Font, the text in the thumbnails is sometimes really difficult to read or see, specially in mobile.
Hi
I have some old noisy photos, is denoising in PL as good as PR? Thanx
This is certainly interesting. A little more control than PureRAW. Too bad it doesn't seem to work on DNG's stitched together in Lightroom. It loads those as RGB instead of RAW. Or at least it won't let me send it back to Lightroom as a DNG.
Hi Todd. I have version 4 atm. I can't see a way of changing the canvas size (Eg display a 16x9 image on a square canvas). Is there a way? Used to be so easy even on PS Elements. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the review, but now LR does the same function regarding the color-wheel selection & manipulation. It’s a different method but I don’t see the DxO advantage. I do see that DxO has deep-noise redux & lens-camera matching which may provide a benefit. Maybe if you do a video on just the things DxO does better than LR would help.
I wonder if there will be Fujifilm CLASSIC NEGATIVE film simulation available in Photolab 5 or in Filmpack?
Thanks for the review Todd. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about integration with Capture One, not just Lightroom. In particular, can C1’s use of Fujifilm film presets be retained and integrate with PL5? DxO’s Filmpack is nowhere near as accurate with regard to the presets unfortunately. The other thing worth mentioning is that PL has to run on Rosetta if using Apple’s M1 chips and this makes it relatively slow. Both these things are show stoppers for me at present.
I’m a Capture One user that sometimes use PhotoLab for its excellent DeepPRIME noise reduction. The integration between these two programs aren’t as smooth as Todd showed here between PL & LR but easy enough for me. I begin with open the raw file in PL and do the things a want to do to it there and then export it as a DNG (which will land in the same directory on your hard drive next to your raw file). Then, back in Capture One all I have to do to see it is to right-click on the folder of its location and choose “Synchronize” and it will appear next to your original raw file in Capture One. It will have that _DxO added to its name also.
If you’re into film emulation softwares I suggest you check Alien Skin Exposure out, if you haven’t tried it out already.
I also agree on your comment that PhotoLab is a bit slower than other softwares on M1 machines. Especially the export process.
@@freetibet1000 Thanks for the helpful reply. I’ve checked out the DNG from PL5 to C1 option but I find that the film presets can’t be applied to the DNG within C1 for some reason. I probably dFilmPack being ‘nowhere near as accurate’. I simply hadn’t understood what it is capable of. I must say that I am very impressed after a better look:-)
I meant to say that I take back what I said about FP being nowhere near as accurate…. Weird typo…
@@alanbevan2231 I’m not using film emulation styles much myself but have you tried out the many Style Packages you can import and use directly and non-destructively in Capture One? If your workflow is mainly in Capture One maybe Styles applied directly on your raw files can help you out? In C1 you will have the flexibility to apply these Styles on separate layers that you can then manipulate further with layer masks and opacity, and so on. You also have the choice to apply more than one Style and mix them tougher, if you so choose. I hope you find a solution to you problem!
@@freetibet1000 perhaps I should have another look. Cheers
Hi, I need some help..I accidently chose the standard correction when I first installed. How do I deactivate it? I even tried re-installing, but Photolab still auto corrects both exposure and optical correction
Does this work with Lightroom App Store edition ?
Can we edit photos shot on smartphones on this software ?
So this is not a replacement for adobe photoshop RAW?
Nice program but I do see one gotcha. The Dng dxo creates is almost 4 times as big as the adobe dng. Not sure if there is a way to adjust that but over thousands of photos that could add up space wise.
One other thing I found is that it does not work with older cameras. So my old photos taken with a Minolta DiMAGE can't be worked on in the system as it tells me that camera is not supported.
How about in and out of PS?
I've been using DxO's PhotoLab (formerly called OpticsPro) for the last six years with my Canon RAW files, which I've been shooting for about 20 years.
I adopted DxO's software on the basis of a comparison done by Ron Martinson back then, showing the different color rendition of the same Canon RAW file by Canon Digital Photo Professional, Adobe Camera RAW, DxO OpticsPro (as it was called then) and a few others.
I hated DPP because at that point in time I had to maintain multiple versions of it for RAW files from different generations of camera bodies - at least they stopped *that* nonsense. DPP does do optical corrections, but only for Canon-made lenses, while DxO corrects third-party lenses as well (they are a testing house, after all).
It was clear from the images in his post that DxO's color rendition was the closest to DPP's, so I said goodbye to Lightroom (and its catalog system!). DxO's tweaks to a file are in outboard files, which allows nondestructive editing and thus multiple versions. They also build excellent noise reduction into PhotoLab.
Most importantly, I discovered that if I wanted to keep DxO's Canon-faithful color rendition, I should not use DNG files to export to Lightroom and Photoshop - since a DNG would have to go through ACR, with the result that Adobe's color rendition would override DxO's - but use TIFFs, which go directly into Lightroom and Photoshop, preserving Canon's colors.
I've got an order in for an R7 and I've been hoping DxO adds support for it by the time it arrives.
What software do you use now?
Windows version:
No auto sharpness options.
Swapping edits between PL and LR has been available since PL3.
Control point effects bleed beyond the circle so you need to reveal the mask to see what's happened. Within the circle, the area affected is supposed to match the characteristics of the sample point. This works poorly in v 4 and 5.
Window behavior is perverse, when clicking on a window in the background doesn't bring it forward, and selecting an image on the film strip will sometimes give you the one beside it.
What I don't seem to find is how I do a lens correction in Photolab 4. In lightroom you just select your type of lens and it's done. I can't find that feature in Photolab. For now I did it manually with the distorion function... Any tutorial about that?
DXO needs to support your lens/camera combination and then it applies lens corrections tailored for that lens. It will prompt you to download the relevant lens module whenever it sees a new lens, unless you have turned this off in preferences.
I have owned every version of PhotoLab until 4, this will be the first I'll skip, because my RAW editor of choice (ON1 Photo RAW) has caught up with almost everything DxO had. ON1 (which btw also allows browsing folders without importing) has added their NoNoise technology to version 2022, which in my experience is not only comparable to DxO but is much faster too. The only thing DxO is still better at is perspective correction, but that didn't get a relevant upgrade this year. Let's see what the future brings.
I don’t know abour ON1 2022.
But in recovering blown out highlights in sun facing sunrise shots, only C1, PL5 and LR were able to do a good job. ACDSee, Exposure 7, On1, Luminar, Affinity and all the others I’ve tested left a bigh white patch in the sky.
And not bein able to do so is a No Go for me.
Pete Turner would have loved the colour wheel.
Todd, has the local adjustment tool changed in PL5 from PL4? I have PL4 but don't see the luminosity mask function when I use it, or am I missing something?
Color and Luminosity masking is a new feature to PL5.
@@Jon1a Thanks - after your reply I upgraded to PL5, but I don't see how to enable the luminosity mask.
@@weisskm You find it in the "Local Adjustment" > Control Line > In the upper right is Chroma ( color) and Luma ( Luminosity)
Learn to use the picker.
@@Jon1a Hi again, sorry to be so dense, but I am not seeing the luminosity mask as illustrated at about minute 17:50 in the video.
@@weisskm Hit the letter M
Move the picker around the picture , and the mask change.....
I use LRC and interested in trying something new. Does PhotoLab 5 included Pure Raw? Is Pure Raw needed if you use PhotoLab?
You wouldn't need it if you have the elite edition of Photolab 5. Pure Raw is more for people using other raw processing programs. Just make sure if you buy Photolab 5, get the elite edition to get the noise reduction.
@@erik3205 Thanks. After more research I found out just what you stated and purchased the Elite version.
@@Methodical2 No problem, I'm thinking about it myself. I use capture one, but it might not hurt to have a second application.
Too bad the essentials version does not support Fuji xt2 or xt3 files.
I dont get how people get such nice raw files straight out of the camera
Is deepbrime as good as pureraw pleas?
From what I understand, the DeepPRIME in PureRAW is nearly the same as DeepPRIME in PhotoLab 5. The main difference is PureRAW applies sharpening (with options for normal or light sharpening). PhotoLab 5’s DeepPRIME functions without sharpening. You apply sharpening through the separate Lens Sharpening tool (if you want it).
Address Force Parallel as a tool
Been over a year since the M1 chips came out and this is still not Universal. How is it using Rosetta?
Yes, it’s a bit disappointing to say the least! Capture One was very fast to move over to a native M1 engine. It works really well for me.
Just wondering if the PL5 supports M1 chips on macOS Monterey or not. The ‘Photolibrary’ can open up folders containing image files but unable to have it opened up in ‘Customize’ for editing. Too bad.
@@edwinleung8101 I have not moved over to Monterey myself yet. I usually wait about three months or more for these bigger upgrades of the OS in order for third party developers to catch up. But the transition over to the M1 architecture have been known for so long now that one would think that any serious developer would have done that upgrade by now. I’m not sure what the story is with PhotoLab 5 and the M1 support? I’m still using PhotoLab 4 on a Rosetta 2 emulation on my M1 computer. And it’s much slower than Capture One, especially with the export process. Maybe someone else knows if PL5 has been rewritten for M1 yet, or not?
@@freetibet1000 Thanks for responding. DXO just updated PL5 with 5.0.2 and the problem seems to have been solved.
@@edwinleung8101 👍
Another gigantic advantage over lightroom. DXO is NOT subscription software! and thus substantially less expensive for most people.
I thought the DxO apps were all about raw files. I'd like to see work done on raw, as your pics did not look raw. Ir ealize you said that the musician pics WAS raw, but the raw I see on Fuji X is extremely flat. You know, the dead look.
Doppelganger of Matt Smith from House of the Dragon
Haha - me? Maybe I need to get a white wig for Halloween.
@@dominey i bet that'll work just fine 😁
Photolab in my experience is far superior to Lightroom when using Deep Prime in sharpness, dynamic range, noise reduction and lens correctioons. Color control seems difficult. But, what keeps me from using Photolab for everything is when using Deep Prime exporting images can take 10 minutes a file due to all the "processing". My computer does not have a good enough Graphics card. So the program resorts to CPU. 28gigs of RAM is meaningless and you may as well go to bed and let the computer run overnight to process the files to tiff or dng or jpg on export.