This new build is the most fun I’ve had on thief in a long time! Make sure to watch this video all the way through the outnumbered fight commentary as I break down everything! Drop a like to show some support and subscribe to the channel with notifications turned on!
Already on it and man your mechanics are as smooth as ever. You should try out full trap specter with relic of cerus, amazing aoe cc condi and power damage. I run it in pvp currently and it's pretty fun for point capping and defense
This is probably a very dumb question as I have only recently returned to GW2 but why exactly does pistol 5 + dagger 2 give you stealth? It also happens on my thief when I use dagger/pistol but I can't seem to understand why it does that as the spell description doesn't say it. Either way great video and hopefully one day I'll be as flashy as you when pvping with Daredevil!
@@madhattigan1174 That one I understand as the tooltip says it, but pistol 5 and dagger 2 used in combination gives stealth too. It doesn't say it does that in the tooltip
I was the soulbeast in the last two clips with my mate. We both hadn't seen that much burst before when it comes to thief so we googled what build it was, and sure enough I find us getting shit stomped in this vid lmao. Was running celestial so that's why I was so tanky, was a fresh level 80. Good fights man.
Hey Noody, I have been playing this build for quite a while and wanted to ask if you got any changes for the year 2024. I also tried pairing rifle with scepter and dagger, although the set then mainly had projectiles and was therefore quite weak against builds that had a lot of projectile blocks.
Just leveled my Daredevil and have the new expac. Im going full on with this into WvW. Im not great but I want to try something fun and this looks like it. Thanks Noody!
played for like a year when guild wars 2 came out, guild wars (1) is till this day my favourite game! now im back to gw2 and started a thief. looking forward to give this build a shot :D nice video!
I've playing this build over the last couple of days and it's a great time in the WvW. Resource management has been a bit tricky with the Twilight bursting but it's a body dropper for sure!
bro that was a closed gate, finally against condi builds like celestial harbingers it makes the difference. Being able to breath while outgoing extrem burst at distance. The delay effect with shadow steps and rolls is just perfect :)
I try this out lastnight. Just messing around since i have a legendary secpter and want to just use it. Played thief during POF and i would say this setup like you said its like playing good old DP with a range nuke. Compare to Deadeye. I feel this is much easier to burst and also move in and out of combat easily. Great build. Simple to learn. Hughly recommended for any new or older player returing tonthe game. I also use rune of the deadeye. Cheaper but very similar as schelor.
nice vid!! can you specify exactly what combo of gear you use? i know you said some but you didn't show everything you're rocking with is there any stat range we should meet when mix and matching?
In WvW balance you get 37% crit rate from the critical strikes traitline (fury included) and you get around 8.5% crit rate from signet of agility. So if you want to min-max youd want to get to 54.5% crit rate from your gear alone. Though many encounters wont be the perfect scenario so it wouldnt hurt to overcap a bit.
I have hands to play weaver s/d. but I have never had the hands to play thief well. and this scepter build looks like hope to me. lol good video and gameplay.
W Our guild from New World is taking a break from the game and we playin some gw2. Really like thief and appreciate your guide! Hope deadeye gets some love because it feels a bit underwhelming compared to daredevil :x New sub
Been a theif main for years. But cant play like this maan good stuff! I also wish they rework short bow maybe increase arrow speed and number of bounces so i can sit inside zerg and shooot people lol
Hey @Noody could you tell your exact gear for this build please ? I'm struggling to get the same exact stats as showed, tried many combinations but without succes. Thank you :)
You just got yourself a sub my friend. I just have one question will this build work still with S/D instead of D/P? Just asking since im not really good at D/P but i can learn. Great vid man.
Do you happen to have any guides for understanding thief in combat as a player? Most of the videos I see are more about game modes or show cases. And not advice on how a thief operates to be a successful fighter
To be honest, it's pretty terrible. There are very few actual guides for Thief and the ones that exist don't really talk about gameplay. Especially if you don't count the outdated ones from a few years ago where we had quite a bit more people doing Thief content. All you can really do nowadays is look for the handful of really good guides by Moody and others that are hidden somewhere between the rest, and also watch good players stream their WvW and PvP endeavors. You will probably find their build to start off with and the have to analyze how they're playing and what their strategies are by yourself. If you're lucky, they're going to talk about it from time to time, but that's more luck based than anything else as finding twenty minutes of gameplay talk over like 5 four hour streams is pretty unlikely. So yeah, that's mostly it. You can look through the Metabattle guides for Thief as some of them may have short sections about gameplay appended, but overall it's mostly up to ourselves to figure it out. I honestly don't get why there aren't more content creators filling this gap because I think it's really obvious. The situation as it is today makes it incredibly hard for new people to pick up the class and not get frustrated really quickly which in turn contributes to the problem of shrinking populations across PvP game modes. And that hurts everyone, even those who could share their knowledge.
Man I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I am absolute garbage at this build. The animation lock on pistol/whip is too problematic - I almost never get it to land. Even when I get a stun in, the opponent breaks out instantly and I find myself swinging the sword in place. I'm very much a beginner to pvp/wvw but I can barely get a single kill with this. GW2 pvp barrier to entry is really high it seems like.
He about faced, a keybind you can set in your settings that turns your character around 180 without moving your camera. Very useful to master using it.
@@juicygeorgegaming5889run berserker amulet and vampirism runes or else you will have a tiny health pool. As for sigils go for compounding and exploitation
Lovely, love my 2,2,2,2 rifle deadeye build too much to swap to this, even though this is broken ^^ this will be kinda busted for my build too. Instead of working up 5% from thief relic, u get insta 10% with fireworks. @@Noody
can You Teach me how to play i try to and did my best but still cant understand any like why ppl beat me that easy comparing to ppl i am just dying -_-:
No. As in: if you're really good, everything works in almost every situation. But technically this build is made for single target burst damage and not for drawn out group encounters. You're useless once you run out of initiative.
I try similar setup with all trailblazer gear. It works but i feel like just put big dmg in fight in short time instead of let the enermy recover is slightly easier. Alot of classes has quick condi clense in wvw. And you would have to really manage your fights and positing much better if it drag on for too long.
Noody, I tried thief in pvp but my worst problem are as follow; 1) somehow I keep missing backstab over and over, like unlike other melee you must face them exactly otherwise you atk the air. I use steal combo but I still miss might have to do with high ping IDK (SEA my ping normally 290 avg) 2) Skill spamming, unlike other class thief weapon skill has no cd so whhen i accidentally double tab out of habit, thief spam the skill which result in waste of int, like spam 2 pistol 5 which eat a lot of int. Any tip to help with these 2?
@@davoinshowerhandle3302 I would but that mean I lost stealth on demand. Scepter don't have anything that can give stealth, so I can only stealth with utility or changing weapon, then I lock out from using scepter for 10 sec
You are not the only one, i also have this issue with 250 ping. I know from an older vid that Noody uses ExitLag but when i tried it, it made things worse. Things that i can't reliably connect are backstab, Flanking and Larcenous Strikes and often Cloak and Dagger if i don't use it with Steal. 1 reliable way to connect Backstab with D/P is to use Shadow Shot first and before the bullet reaches target, hit backstab.
I hate to sound cliché but practice makes perfect. With some classes you have to put extra time in practicing, dueling in the duel arenas and in wvw or in your guild hall and just keep at it. It takes some many months to get the hang of it. Especially if you come with bad habits like double tapping or you have a really high ping or ping that isn't stable. A no stable internet connection is a thief's worst enemy.
it’s not as cheese as some celestial builds, some stuff out there is so aids nothing can kill it, but they still do enough damage to kill almost anything over time. This build is cheese, but if you aren’t totally caught off guard you can dodge it’s burst and the thief themselves can be killed because at the end of the day, it’s a non shadow arts build. And also maybe I missed something from a patch, but this isn’t unblockable. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong though, I don’t keep up with most of the class changes anymore.
Why...? There are so many incredibly easy to play Thief builds, it's really not that hard to learn a second one for open world stuff, especially if you're only doing casual things. This build is very specialized for one purpose
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This new build is the most fun I’ve had on thief in a long time! Make sure to watch this video all the way through the outnumbered fight commentary as I break down everything!
Drop a like to show some support and subscribe to the channel with notifications turned on!
Already on it and man your mechanics are as smooth as ever. You should try out full trap specter with relic of cerus, amazing aoe cc condi and power damage. I run it in pvp currently and it's pretty fun for point capping and defense
what is your opening burst?
This is probably a very dumb question as I have only recently returned to GW2 but why exactly does pistol 5 + dagger 2 give you stealth? It also happens on my thief when I use dagger/pistol but I can't seem to understand why it does that as the spell description doesn't say it.
Either way great video and hopefully one day I'll be as flashy as you when pvping with Daredevil!
@MvpDofus if it's dagger offhand it applies stealth on hitting the enemy
@@madhattigan1174 That one I understand as the tooltip says it, but pistol 5 and dagger 2 used in combination gives stealth too. It doesn't say it does that in the tooltip
I was the soulbeast in the last two clips with my mate. We both hadn't seen that much burst before when it comes to thief so we googled what build it was, and sure enough I find us getting shit stomped in this vid lmao. Was running celestial so that's why I was so tanky, was a fresh level 80. Good fights man.
Haha good fights my friend! Now you can do the same to other people 🤣
Hey Noody, I have been playing this build for quite a while and wanted to ask if you got any changes for the year 2024. I also tried pairing rifle with scepter and dagger, although the set then mainly had projectiles and was therefore quite weak against builds that had a lot of projectile blocks.
Scorpion wire instead of blinding power is a great pick. Also allows you to utilize dagger 5 much more often.
Just leveled my Daredevil and have the new expac. Im going full on with this into WvW. Im not great but I want to try something fun and this looks like it. Thanks Noody!
played for like a year when guild wars 2 came out, guild wars (1) is till this day my favourite game! now im back to gw2 and started a thief. looking forward to give this build a shot :D nice video!
I've playing this build over the last couple of days and it's a great time in the WvW. Resource management has been a bit tricky with the Twilight bursting but it's a body dropper for sure!
is this build viable in spvp?
bro that was a closed gate, finally against condi builds like celestial harbingers it makes the difference.
Being able to breath while outgoing extrem burst at distance.
The delay effect with shadow steps and rolls is just perfect :)
I try this out lastnight. Just messing around since i have a legendary secpter and want to just use it. Played thief during POF and i would say this setup like you said its like playing good old DP with a range nuke.
Compare to Deadeye. I feel this is much easier to burst and also move in and out of combat easily.
Great build. Simple to learn. Hughly recommended for any new or older player returing tonthe game.
I also use rune of the deadeye. Cheaper but very similar as schelor.
Something fun AND new ! Ty Noody :)
Finally !! Been waiting for this !
Loving the vids mate, keep up the great work
lol this is actually pretty hilarious that a condition base weapon is hitting nukes
The slower projectile alson throw players off
The mechanical gap, BEAAAAAAAAAUTIFUL
Lets fucking goooo @Noody glad to see the scepter getting some good builds on non specter setups
nice vid!! can you specify exactly what combo of gear you use? i know you said some but you didn't show everything you're rocking with is there any stat range we should meet when mix and matching?
In WvW balance you get 37% crit rate from the critical strikes traitline (fury included) and you get around 8.5% crit rate from signet of agility. So if you want to min-max youd want to get to 54.5% crit rate from your gear alone. Though many encounters wont be the perfect scenario so it wouldnt hurt to overcap a bit.
Great build, im loving it.
Perfect build and insane gameplay but sorry dude how do you have that "heart" in your boons ? Is that a food or something else ?
I have hands to play weaver s/d. but I have never had the hands to play thief well. and this scepter build looks like hope to me. lol good video and gameplay.
W Our guild from New World is taking a break from the game and we playin some gw2. Really like thief and appreciate your guide! Hope deadeye gets some love because it feels a bit underwhelming compared to daredevil :x New sub
Been a theif main for years. But cant play like this maan good stuff!
I also wish they rework short bow maybe increase arrow speed and number of bounces so i can sit inside zerg and shooot people lol
how do you get the fireworks effect when you steal?
it looked like bow 3 shatter
Hey @Noody could you tell your exact gear for this build please ? I'm struggling to get the same exact stats as showed, tried many combinations but without succes.
Thank you :)
You just got yourself a sub my friend. I just have one question will this build work still with S/D instead of D/P? Just asking since im not really good at D/P but i can learn. Great vid man.
It can work but won’t have as much sustain
Do you happen to have any guides for understanding thief in combat as a player?
Most of the videos I see are more about game modes or show cases. And not advice on how a thief operates to be a successful fighter
To be honest, it's pretty terrible. There are very few actual guides for Thief and the ones that exist don't really talk about gameplay. Especially if you don't count the outdated ones from a few years ago where we had quite a bit more people doing Thief content.
All you can really do nowadays is look for the handful of really good guides by Moody and others that are hidden somewhere between the rest, and also watch good players stream their WvW and PvP endeavors. You will probably find their build to start off with and the have to analyze how they're playing and what their strategies are by yourself. If you're lucky, they're going to talk about it from time to time, but that's more luck based than anything else as finding twenty minutes of gameplay talk over like 5 four hour streams is pretty unlikely.
So yeah, that's mostly it. You can look through the Metabattle guides for Thief as some of them may have short sections about gameplay appended, but overall it's mostly up to ourselves to figure it out. I honestly don't get why there aren't more content creators filling this gap because I think it's really obvious. The situation as it is today makes it incredibly hard for new people to pick up the class and not get frustrated really quickly which in turn contributes to the problem of shrinking populations across PvP game modes. And that hurts everyone, even those who could share their knowledge.
is this still a decent build to use ?
6:55 Deliver Codec H.265 😇
Man I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I am absolute garbage at this build. The animation lock on pistol/whip is too problematic - I almost never get it to land. Even when I get a stun in, the opponent breaks out instantly and I find myself swinging the sword in place. I'm very much a beginner to pvp/wvw but I can barely get a single kill with this. GW2 pvp barrier to entry is really high it seems like.
And yea.. skill issue, I know lol
Yoo When New MFC I been waiting to see those new Epic duels ♥
There it is! 🎉
How do you run backwards like at 6:35 ? I'm new to the game and can't find info on this anywhere.
He about faced, a keybind you can set in your settings that turns your character around 180 without moving your camera. Very useful to master using it.
How do you know what weapon is good for power build? I thought scepter is more of a condi thing
Just check power damage coefficients :)
And Reckless Elite Specialization, you can't use CETRO at least on mine, how do you do it?
Dude does this still work? Looks fun!
I'm running pretty much exactly this but I'm not seeing numbers anywhere near that... :/
Love the vid man convinced me to try out thief!!
Whats the song at 7:00 btw?
Good luck on thief!
Here’s the song ruclips.net/video/YJxdBOETZu0/видео.htmlsi=WEglGnytLslz_Mt4
Thanks man, you got a sub from me! keep up the sick vids!@@Noody
What a fire build Im going to try this in PvP tomorrow
Let me know how you go!
One question, what amulet do you use and why is sigil of air not pop up when trying to add them via pvp?
@@juicygeorgegaming5889 Lots of options arent available in PvP for "balance". Same for Stat combinations
@@juicygeorgegaming5889run berserker amulet and vampirism runes or else you will have a tiny health pool. As for sigils go for compounding and exploitation
thank you! also I saw that one kid you chewed out last video I think lol@@Noody
A whole build to see how you got so much vit without losing damage stats would have been nice.
He's running full marauder's with scholar runes i believe. The build stays the same for whatever power gear (like berserker's) youre running.
Run less berserker more Valk and marauders
@@jipggMarauder trinkets & weapons + Berserker armor results in ~19k hp
Hello Noddy, can you tell me the wardrobe items of your thief in the opening part, please.,
What food do you use?
Is this still usable after 7 months?
So, Firestone Undead Weaver is one of the main counters for Twilight Thief. Got it HEHE BOY.
Amazing. what inspired u to make Gw2 videos?
I’ve just been playing for so long and I enjoy creating content so it goes hand in hand
@@Noody fair enough xD
@@Noody luv thief
You can use scepter with daredevil? I can't seem to get that to work. What am I missing?
You need the secrets of obscure expansion
Start the story from the new expansion and when you get to the new map you have to speak to the weapon mastery person
All those new classes have so much AoE burst
Does relic of fireworks proc off of marked as well for deadeye?
I don’t see why not
Lovely, love my 2,2,2,2 rifle deadeye build too much to swap to this, even though this is broken ^^ this will be kinda busted for my build too. Instead of working up 5% from thief relic, u get insta 10% with fireworks. @@Noody
Yes it does, but u have deadeye relic its the same pretty much so just use that
Is this still viable?
so now i have to grind for the gen2 scepter 😅, but how are you equipping scepter as a daredevil?
Weapon mastery from the new expansion
can u show us the build on pvp?
THANKYOUUUUUUUU
Great video. Are you still offering tuition for thief? I need some help!
Yes I am 🙂
@@Noody Could we sort something out? And how would we go about that?
daddy sind
It doesn't let me use the attacks of the scepter and I carry everything as you do. Why is that? 😢
You need to unlock weapon mastery from SOTO
Sorry for being annoying but how can I do that? I just can't find it :(
You need to buy the expansion SOTO and win the weapon master tu use that weapon in DAreDevil @@javierrodriguez4834
Are you playing on OCE ping too? Wild
Yessir 🥹
Nice 😁😁😁
🔥🔥🔥
Is Deadeye a dead spec in wvw and pvp? Good video btw.
Deadeye is still great!
If and when you get a chance, could you show us how it's done? @@Noody
@@obsidiannewt9103will do!
can You Teach me how to play i try to and did my best but still cant understand any like why ppl beat me that easy comparing to ppl i am just dying -_-:
Scepter 3 damage a little overtuned?
Since release
Does this work in group pvp? like when you are in a small party and get zerged by a bigger party.
No. As in: if you're really good, everything works in almost every situation. But technically this build is made for single target burst damage and not for drawn out group encounters. You're useless once you run out of initiative.
i can't use a scepter with daredevil. am I doing something wrong?
Hey u must own the soto aka 4th expasion and talk to one of the npc to unlock the weapons to be shared
how do you use scepter without using specter build?
The new expansion added "weapon mastery" which lets you use cross specialization weapons
Im so confused, how can you still use scepter as a daredevil? D:
new expansion.
Is this better than condi specter?
I try similar setup with all trailblazer gear. It works but i feel like just put big dmg in fight in short time instead of let the enermy recover is slightly easier.
Alot of classes has quick condi clense in wvw. And you would have to really manage your fights and positing much better if it drag on for too long.
Noody, I tried thief in pvp but my worst problem are as follow;
1) somehow I keep missing backstab over and over, like unlike other melee you must face them exactly otherwise you atk the air. I use steal combo but I still miss might have to do with high ping IDK (SEA my ping normally 290 avg)
2) Skill spamming, unlike other class thief weapon skill has no cd so whhen i accidentally double tab out of habit, thief spam the skill which result in waste of int, like spam 2 pistol 5 which eat a lot of int.
Any tip to help with these 2?
Go scepter pistol Dead eye friend no need to aim.
@@davoinshowerhandle3302 I would but that mean I lost stealth on demand. Scepter don't have anything that can give stealth, so I can only stealth with utility or changing weapon, then I lock out from using scepter for 10 sec
You are not the only one, i also have this issue with 250 ping. I know from an older vid that Noody uses ExitLag but when i tried it, it made things worse.
Things that i can't reliably connect are backstab, Flanking and Larcenous Strikes and often Cloak and Dagger if i don't use it with Steal.
1 reliable way to connect Backstab with D/P is to use Shadow Shot first and before the bullet reaches target, hit backstab.
I hate to sound cliché but practice makes perfect. With some classes you have to put extra time in practicing, dueling in the duel arenas and in wvw or in your guild hall and just keep at it. It takes some many months to get the hang of it. Especially if you come with bad habits like double tapping or you have a really high ping or ping that isn't stable. A no stable internet connection is a thief's worst enemy.
@@jdgoesham5381 JRZTT is from SEA 290 ping and i'm OCX 250 ping avg.
imagine having spinal on a spam key jeez 😶🌫
Literally 🤣🤣
Scepter carrying people again I see
Does it also work in structured pvp, or is it more dor WvW?
I’m yet to try it in spvp because shortbow is pretty crucial for mobility, but yea it would still work in PvP to kill people fast
But instead of scholar rune take vamp so you have atleast 15k hp
@@Noody ok ty. I'm gonna try today and see how it works (even though im far from being the best thief around)
I tried it it works really well is spvp you melt people and can de/cap well@@sneky1723
why you do this 😭
why he said daredevil if he is a specter?
That's a daredevil, have you not kept up with SOTOM
dirty!
cool
Just wait until he discovers the real scepter cheese builds...
This is pretty cheese tbh.
Stealth into stun into unblockable burst
it’s not as cheese as some celestial builds, some stuff out there is so aids nothing can kill it, but they still do enough damage to kill almost anything over time. This build is cheese, but if you aren’t totally caught off guard you can dodge it’s burst and the thief themselves can be killed because at the end of the day, it’s a non shadow arts build. And also maybe I missed something from a patch, but this isn’t unblockable. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong though, I don’t keep up with most of the class changes anymore.
@@sylver4494Maybe confused Scepter 3 with Sword 3.
Anyway to convert this into a open world build so I could switch between the two for daily’s and just causal play?
Why...? There are so many incredibly easy to play Thief builds, it's really not that hard to learn a second one for open world stuff, especially if you're only doing casual things. This build is very specialized for one purpose
Is this build still playable?
Yes
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Do you think this build will work in spvp? 😳
You would have to run vamp runes, but keep in mind you lose the mobility of not having shortbow.
Still prefer classic dp and sd :)
is this this viable?
yep
@@Noody thank you so much
deadeye does 12k scepter
Yeah but deadeye doesn’t have the same perks that come with drd
true@@Noody
I suck at pvp maybe i can get a kill with this build
You playing during NA sleeping hours
Okay?
NA is playing during EU sleeping hours.
What was your point, that we have different timezones?
Make willbender great again 😭😭😭
I wish dagger 4 would get reworked. Seems so outdated and underwhelming
Same. The cripple can be helpful but yea I can't remember the last time I even used it in a serious situation in pvp or wvw.
one time as deadeye i spammed it against two players with m7 and haste, it dropped em both but yeah it is useless in pvp
Thats how I feel about Shortbow and sword tbh
Such a naive community. Stealth carries hard af
Thiev gameplay is so extremely boring.
First
You experienced it first hand, now it’s in the hands of all thieves 🤣
Noody need a gen 2 xihuatl scepter too
@@Noody I don’t like it. About to make me sit on ranger for the rest of my days
@@larix534 I will teach you the ways
@@sylver4494 lol
whats your ping mate?
Ranges between 200-220 after using a VPN. Before VPN it’s upwards of 260 (vpn details are in description).
@@Noody so it's playable
thief/rogue with ranged op skills is no1 bullsht
WHY DID U RELEASE THISSS but good video gang u went crazy
Sindriner was already playing it so it was bound to make it's way on Metabattle then it would be everywhere.
I have like 3 or 4 new busted fuxking builds. I’m gatekeeping tho. Sorry
gatekeep my ass!
Lol best and thief together xD