Miller top 10 in scoring the last 4 years, in the league. Always matches up against top lines and is awesome on faceoffs. Also a beast in the playoffs. No wonder Drury has a hard on for him.
His production and leadership at his contract is honestly great value. 100pt players dont grow off trees. Pettersson makes more, but he is doing fuck all this season. You can say he's hot headed, but I like to say he's passionate. You need players like these to go far in the post-season. Players that HATE losing and want to win. If we trade Miller, we may as well just blow the whole team up and rebuild again, cause Hughes will sign with New Jersey to join his brothers once his current contract is up.
Hughes isn’t going to leave, he clearly loves being a Canuck and is a great fit there. As for Miller I think the Canucks future is more dependent on what they get back in the trade, moving on from a player like miller with his contract should not be rushed, take your time and make the right trade if you are going to move him
We have to make the playoffs before worrying about playoff performers. As for keeping Hughes JT let Perry ragdoll his ass in a game JT did nothing in. JT is playing like he has the emotional motivation of roadkill.
Not one mention of JT’s full NM clause, eh? Kind of important, don’t you think? And that that rumour has it that he will only waive for NYR? What about Petty’s NM clause- that doesn’t kick in till July 01, 2025. So, he has absolutely no trade protection right now. Also, kinda important, no?
yep, but miller would likely waive for a few teams: NYR, NJD, carolina (but they made their blockbuster trade already so aren't in the running anymore), maybe Boston, maybe Dallas, etc...& why wouldn't miller waive it for a chance to join any of the top contending teams going into the playoffs this yr...
Teams are smart to lowball the Canucks because they want to move this player. But teams are dumb to lowball the Canucks because come playoffs you do not want to play against this player.
Get rid of Alviin and Rutherford I used to be a fan...Look what he did in Carolina and Pittsburgh Getting too old now The Owner isn't going anywhere Ever!! Hes a stubborn Owner.. Always has been Fun Fact His dad bought him a Lambo for his 16th Birthday after he begged his dad...lol
@@conservativeamber1216 they were also interested in Miller. Think they got the best return by staying away from the Nucks all together and landing Hall/Rantanen (Waaaaaaay better!).
I don’t believe that Petey and Miller couldn’t get along is why they have a bad season. But it is undeniable the room (old, slow) stinks right now but it is not because of them. They have been together for close to 7 years and they need new energies in that room to keep things interesting.
@@Summit15 He obviously is either a Canucks hater and wants the Canucks to get worse, or he's one of those blind Pettersson haters that popped up last Spring because they don't know what a knee injury is and don't want to know anything other then confirmation bias that "Pettey sucks".
I can tell you from an extremely reliable source who is tied to Canucks Alumni. Miller has been suffering from severe anxiety for years. He has been receiving therapy but has struggled to deal with it as of late hence his taking time off last month. The Pettersen / Miller fiasco is mostly a nothing burger, in spite of them having their differences and Pettersen saying making a few off-the-cuff remakrs Miller's way (not being aware of his mental health struggles). It's kind of ironic that the Canucks organisation, which pays a lot of lip service to promoting mental health, seems to be throwing its arms up and willing to offload this guy.
Because why would being 'aloof and insular' cause JT any problems? Meanwhile we know JT fights with his teammates as he as done it publicly on the ice on multiple teams with multiple teammates.
@@Eleutherios1A lot of teammates fight on other teams in every Sports Cole kept the team in Check last year He was a solid leader in the dressing room and a #4 D man Alviin is the problem and the System Tocchet is teaching...
No offensive production out of the D besides Hughes. I don't agree with this vlogger and I can see Miller retiring as a Canuck. Trade the frail Swede that is not living up to his contract nor his responsibilities.
the drama is super embarrassing and makes the team look even weaker. the fact that neither player seems to be willing to hash it out and/or play to their full potential regardless shows a lack of maturity. it’s time the core gets shaken up. we need some kind of change and management really needs to think hard about what kind of identity and culture they want to cultivate and promote moving forward. cause this ain’t it.
The issues in Vancouver start at management and then flow downhill right down to the bench and then the locker room. It doesn't matter what's going on with Miller and Pettersson. The fact the issue is all over the news is a complete failure in containment. The management of Vancouver Canucks are responsible for maintaining open communications with both players regardless of locker room dramas. Every NHL locker room experiences challenges. The coaching staff can help but they are not there to primarily baby sit human nature when things go right-off the rails. We're humans and I don't know any that are perfect. Players make mistakes. Teams lose sight of ways to keep players focused and engaged with the tasks at hand and each game. Each game one at a time. When players start complaining and team management can't get ahead of the issues that's a disaster. Maybe... way back when it was Olde Tyme hockey a player might do something really stupid; like ruin another player's marriage. The team would square off with a dozen cases of beer; drink, then take turns dragging the players having issues out into a Winter Wonderland to deal with the issue. The team would take action as a group with the blessing of management and the coaching staff. The team might take turns throwing the two players into a snowbank or two. In warmer climates a rented pool at a hotel might work. The next game might be a write off because the team is suffering from a two day shared hang over and minor frost bite. A couple of black eyes and a few bruises wasn't unusual. Sometimes that worked. Too often it seems player agents are running to the media now to spill every little drip their clients leak to them regarding teams. Now there isn't a shortage of hockey pundits who can be used to manipulate teams and encourage drama. Social Media and the Internet are amazing when it comes to that purpose and use. The NHL players association should work with the NHL to stop this nonsense. Will it? Who knows? Probably not. These agent-player leaks can do catastrophic damage to NHL franchises. Every year it seems we now experience a half dozen, or more, critical rumors that have players going left-right and every which way. As a fan. A rumour or two might be exciting. A little bit of spice. Then there are the situations where it's a media show where interference might be involved. Agents tease teams and teams tease back because if they can cheat and get away with it... the agents can win bigger paychecks for themselves first and then their clients. Hungry teams can land key disgruntled elements that can improve their chances to win; at a cheaper price if they are lucky. Agents start trying to manage more than just one of their clients; they start trying to manage teams on behalf of everyone they represent. I'm told this works. It's not working well for fans in Vancouver. The Canucks are looking like their ship is sinking this year. So fewer fans are going to pay to see them play. That negatively effects all the NHL teams the Canucks will play for the rest of the season. Who wants to watch that soap opera on ice at hundreds of dollars per ticket? I don't want to think about parking, food, and traffic. Those are all expensive things to pay for to watch a soap opera on ice. If we really want to watch ridiculous drama, on ice, we can always watch Slap Shot. Or some silly Disney movie that mutates into an NHL expansion team. Don't worry Vancouver you're not alone. The Leafs are also enjoying drama challenges. That show is just being better contained and managed by all the adults, and adult wannabees trying to behave, in the organization at the moment.
I say keep them both.. see how it plays out over playoffs if they get there and make the decision at the end of the year.. its a loose loose situation to trade either i think, probably get lowballed on either trade they get offered cause of said drama happening..
If anyone can go, Petey can go; BUT they F'ed tthemselves with a HORRIBLE contract signing (WHERE did that come from... and more importantly: WHYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?) Now they'll have terrible trouble trading him. BOTH players need to GROW UP already!
I think Dallas would be a great fit fir JT. They're in their cup window, have LTIR money to spend, have defense good enough to mask his flaws, and could really use his firepower.
I can’t remember that but it may have happened, I will say though I think his edge, personality, and skill is a perfect match for either the Rangers or Bruins
@@MbisonBalrog I don't quite remember because it's been like 10 years. I could be wrong. But I believe all the talk now about him having a toxic personality. I could be wrong about it now as well.
I dont remember that Either... Alviin and Tocchet are the problem And I like Tocchet but his Style of play isn't suited with this team especially without Cole/Zadorov and lindholm It worked last year with those 3 even though we got Out shot most nights like this year...
@@conservativeamber1216 Okay, I could be wrong, then. I retract my comment about Miller being a problem in NY, but will leave it posted for posterity. Cheers.
The Canucks should have won the Cup in 2011, but it wasn't meant to be. The Canucks kind of shot themselves in the foot beginning in that first round. Up 3-0 against Chicago, they choked away their series lead, only to expend every last ounce of energy to beat them in OT in Game 7. That first round series should have been over in 4 or 5 games for the Canucks. In the 2nd round, the Canucks faced the tame Nashville Predators. It was a pretty uneventful 2nd round series with Kesler turning into a beast, but again....somehow....it took the Canucks 6 long games to beat the Predators. In the third round series, the Canucks dispatched the Sharks in 5 games, which was good as it gave them sometime to rest before the Stanley Cup finals. Still, the fact that rounds 1 and 2 took longer than they should came back to bite the Canucks in the end. Also, Luongo had a bad habit of allowing at least one soft goal almost every game in the playoffs. This penchant for soft goals contributed to the first two rounds going longer than they should have, but I digress..... The Canucks would draw the lowly Boston Bruins in the finals. The Canucks were heavy favorites as the top offensive and defensive team in the regular season. They also had the best powerplay and penalty killing in the NHL that year. The Canucks won the first two games at home by narrow 1 goal margins. Then they got smoked 12-1 in two games in Boston....series tied 2-2. They won game 5 in 1-0 nail biter in which Luongo played great. Then came Game 6 in Boston, and the Canucks got throttled again 5-2. They returned home to lose Game 7, 4-0........very disappointing loss. The sad thing was that even though the series went 7 games, it really wasn't that close at all. In the seven game series, the Bruins outscored the Canucks 23-8. Although I wasn't a Canucks fan, my father didn't eat for a week as he is a Canucks fan. As a neutral observer of the Stanley Cup Finals, my assessment is that the Canucks got shafted. The Bruins took many many liberties on my father's beloved Canucks and the refs basically put their whistles in their pockets and refused to call a boatload of penalties against the Boston Bruins. It sure looked to me that the finals were fixed....how else could an inferior Bruins team win against the juggernaut that was the Canucks that year? That Canucks team of 2011 played the right way...immensely talented and a joy to watch. Fast forward to 2025, these Canucks aren't even close!!!! Enough said.
Colin Campbell ran the referees in those days. His son played on Boston in 2011. We've seen the emails from a court order on another matter. The result was fixed by them. Ever notice that Florida plays a lot like Boston did back then? Campbell son is now the Assistant GM in Florida. NHL doesn't ever say they offer fair officiating, what they offer is "entertainment". Nothing fair about how they operate.
Rangers have turned things around lately and I actually think JT would be perfect there, plus I have heard former teammates say he is a great person in the room and a good leader
I think it's funny that everyone keeps criticizing the defense and saying it was better last year. We lost Ian Cole ( who everyone seemed to hate) and Zadorov who is doing nothing in Boston. That's it. 2 players. The biggest problem has been goaltending and lack of offense which is in large part due to injuries. EVERY single core player has missed games this year do to injury. Demko and Silovs have been horrible and have had AHL numbers in the games they started. Yeah we could get a couple of better d-men, but who do you get? Hedman? Makar? Every offensive player's numbers have dropped and that's a larger problem then defense. You can't win if you don't score.
This Canucks' team has this season had so many issues, with: - not great goaltending other than from Kevin Lankinen - the blueline - a severe lack of secondary scoring
Blue line is a problem for sure. Goaltending is a different story. Demko missed all training camp and preseason and most of the season thus far, gonna take some time for him to get back to that top 3 Vezina status
@ Demko’s been injured but Arturs Šilovs from October to November played so badly that the latter hasn’t played a game since then. In any case, the lack of defensive awareness in front of those goalies has hurt them and Lankinen, with another critical game expected to start in under 10 hours’ time. Losing that upcoming game will continue a pattern the Canucks have fallen into following their last win streak: an inability to win many games other than Saturday Pacific Time ones.
Shaq and Kobe figured it out and went on to win championships. No one on this team is important enough to have beef like this that derails a team. Grow up and get it together.
Nucks issues lie deeper. The injury to Hronek made the D look really thin. It asked to much out of an aging Myers and Soucy. Desharnais regressed after his good season for EDM last year, and Forbort isn`t much better. While Hughes and Hronek are a formidable 1st pair, Hronek has only played half their games. Myers, Soucy, Desharnais and Forbort might be big bodies, but all of them have negative possession metrics and look like as if they can`t do much with the puck. Suter had an excellent last year, not so much this year. Miller and Pettersson, i think it`s BS. They play in different lines. Pettersson has only 30 pts in 42 games, that`s just not enough for a 11,6m earning top center. Trading Miller in a bit of a down year, just the 2nd year after they singed him to an heavy 7 year long 56m contract will not give you much return.
Canucks problems were always there and just because you have one good season doesn't mean that original problems went away. Just putting that out there.
KEEP MILLER. Don’t screw this up and blow up the lineup. If anything trade Petterson. We don’t need laziness and unproductively and JT helps to motivate that
Ideally you dont want to trade either but keeping pettersson is better for the teams future, especially since he is the better two way forward of the two
Horvat, Miller, Petterson, Lindholm... why does this management hate top centers so much? They traded Horvat for a 'playable center'... who? Beauvillier or Raty return was awful. They rented Lindholm and didnt even try to sign him. They gave Miller a long term contract and want to trade him now. They give Petterrson big $ and term contract and want to trade him now as well. This management needs to be called out for its mistakes and continued awful treatment of their players. Not a single good move or signing from this management
where did you hear him wanting to be a gm or a coach, doesnt seem like thats the vibe just seems like he is an edgy player that doesnt get along with the teams other superstar
star, sure. superstar? nah. there are only a handful of superstars in any league. many stars. he's not even close to superstar status. Hughes is the sole SS on the Canucks.
this is a little bit outdated already - there have been teams (or at least 1 serious inquiring team) like buffalo asking about petey...& injuries to hronek/demko - that's over (they're back, but not very good), it's lankinen's starting job now (or should be, for rest of the season
Petey is not being moved, teams can inquire but Miller is the one the Canucks are more willing to trade. Injuries are still relevant to the teams record, not sure why we wouldn't mention those when discussing the Canucks record.
@ (either or both of them can be moved - pete to anywhere before NTC kicks in july 1, 2025 ,& JT to any team he’s willing to waive his NTC for - all options are on the table
Recognition from Canucks fans* not fans around the league, I would say most fans outside of Vancouver typically over look him. Not saying they should just saying what I see
Of course we don't really know what's going on in the locker room well that's what we'd like to know that's what you should be able to find out and share with us otherwise it's just a bunch of drivvl, nothing new just repeating the same old same old that everyone's been saying for 2 years with no insight whatsoever extremely disappointing not a chance in hell, I would subscribe to this and waste more of my time learning absolutely nothing
The Rangers moved on from JT Miller when they traded McDonough to the Lightning...one might wonder why. He signed a 5 year deal with Tampa and they traded him a year into that contrat...one might wonder why. He then has a career year in Vancouver and signs a 7 year deal, and now they are trying to trade him barely a year into extending him. maybe he's the problem? For the rangers to try and get JT Miller back in nuts to me. I am a lifelong Rangers fan and looking at the proposed trade that fell through has me tearing my hair out. We ruin more prospects than we develop and trading someone like Chytil and draft picks for a drama queen like JT Miller who's on the wrong side of 30 and has a large AAV until 2030 while we are trying to part ways with Mika Zibanijad. And JT Miller isn't a superstar. He's good when he's great, but when things are going south? yikes.
I wouldn't want Chytil or Ziba... Lafreniere and or Schneider are the only ones....NY won't ever trade Trochuk And it's Petey who they tried to trade 2 days ago to Carolina but Carolina took the Avs Offer instead Makes you wonder... Also, last 5 years JT is better than Zibanejad Look at Zibs Plus Minus...Brutal I wouldn't want him either one for one Minus 24 this year..Horrible Defensively...Much worse than JT At least JT Hits as well
Miller's having issues with multiple people within the Canucks organization, including the head coach. Trading a guy like JT will be impossible to get a "good" deal for, so it may well be they have to take futures they can flip for the good return, which is exactly what the same management team did with Bo 2 years ago, so if a 1 for 1 talent for talent trade is not possible, then do a talent for futures far enough in advance of the deadline they have time to shop the futures around to get what we need, a strong 2D to pair with Soucy, or a strong 1D to pair with Hughes so our other 1D, Hronek can drop down to pair with Soucy, and Myers can drop to a 3D spot, where I think he'll be a good veteran stabilizer for the core, with sheltered minutes for the aging veteran. But the strongest and likliest path is to get an asset we can flip rather then trying to get what we want directly. With JTs no move clause and his big value AAV contract, the list of teams who'll want JT AND who JT is willing to wave for is short. The list of teams who'll be selling talent for futures as we near the deadline will be much longer and much more promising, and the futures won't have a contract where they can veto a trade they don't like, which will always be an issue with Miller.
Doing that would be a bit of a disaster for the team, I doubt Hughes wants to be on a rebuilding team so if you move on from both your basically going to move on from him as well
there is no locker room issue but the media is making a mess of this. Just let it go . if they get traded then so be it. Right now all this internal stuff is even causing issues for a trade.
Yes there is a rift and hopefully Miller gets traded. This is great news for the Oilers! Even if the Canucks don't trade Miller all season, this drama between its good players is going to help the Canucks miss the playoffs. I am so happy for the Canucks! Failure is the story of this sad, sorry franchise.
JT Miller is SCREAMING to go to the Flyers. Flyers get a Center, Michkov and grow with him and Torts can get hi Defense back in line. Trade Couturier for Miller and each team trade a pick and both teams would be good. Make Miller the Alt Cap to show trust in him and that he has a home and Couts will improve the Nucks defense
At his age he is likely only going to wave his no trade clause for a team that is in contention. Flyers have a bright future but Miller likely wouldn’t be a good fit there
Nah, having seen Tort's way with people, JT will be on his good side up until they hit a stretch of bad performances(25-35% of a season), and once that happens, he and Torts will start lashing out at one another. I loved Tort's blunt attitude when he was in Vancouver, but it's too similar to JT to work well with him unless they can stay on top of the highs.
quinn is carrying this team. it’s sad. he doesn’t even seem to be able to mediate whatever issues are going on. the fact these two guys are older than quinn and behaving this way is concerning. like, stop acting like babies and get it together. at least don’t make the team suffer for it. they both have crappy attitudes.
@@tomwilson3969 “do you get along with everyone you work with?” no. but i do the job i’m paid to do and keep it together. the fact that these grown men can’t seem to do that just shows that both have too much ego and are acting like drama queens. they are both toxic in their own way.
watching the Canucks is like watching our pathetic Liberal Gov't "the proof is in the pudding" .... hey Canadians and Canuck fans! how that pudding tasting lately?? and we're learning that Tocchet really isn't a good coach....last year was a fluke...my Grandma could have coached that teams high last year..not a hard thing to do when everyone is having fun and the teams energy gets bumped from a difference coach... btw...how long did Tocchet's "bump" last??? up to last years all star break....wasn't that long of a run tbh bring in an old grumpy pissed off Joel Quinnville...maybe that'll get these overpaid drama queens to pull their head out of their embarrassing ass
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DO NOT TRADE JT MILLER
I think they have already made up their mind. If they don’t trade him though how should they handle the lockerroom drama
If only
I'm not happy w them but I agree, dont trade him and definately dont trade him right now.
@@jimmyhockeyeither they trade miller or Pettersson
We need a change of some sort especially on D otherwise we are looking at a 1st round exit if we make the playoffs at all
A month ago the fans were chanting J T Miller!
Heeps of recognition.
I think he meant league wide
You think CO wouldn't do the same for Rantanen? They have to trade JT for a big piece of the puzzle.
@@korbendallas7181 CO got burned. CO traded because they can’t afford to keep him.
Keep Miller
He gone
Miller top 10 in scoring the last 4 years, in the league. Always matches up against top lines and is awesome on faceoffs. Also a beast in the playoffs. No wonder Drury has a hard on for him.
Every team with cap space should be interested in him
His production and leadership at his contract is honestly great value. 100pt players dont grow off trees. Pettersson makes more, but he is doing fuck all this season.
You can say he's hot headed, but I like to say he's passionate. You need players like these to go far in the post-season. Players that HATE losing and want to win.
If we trade Miller, we may as well just blow the whole team up and rebuild again, cause Hughes will sign with New Jersey to join his brothers once his current contract is up.
Hughes isn’t going to leave, he clearly loves being a Canuck and is a great fit there. As for Miller I think the Canucks future is more dependent on what they get back in the trade, moving on from a player like miller with his contract should not be rushed, take your time and make the right trade if you are going to move him
lol
Hughes is more likely to leave because of Miller. lol
.. Hughes and pettersson are great friends, and sit together on road trips. He would be more likely to leave if we moved pettersson.
We have to make the playoffs before worrying about playoff performers.
As for keeping Hughes JT let Perry ragdoll his ass in a game JT did nothing in. JT is playing like he has the emotional motivation of roadkill.
Gotta keep a Player like JT
Grit and scoring....Very Hard to find
Not if its preventing the team from winning though. Its a tough call to make for sure
Not one mention of JT’s full NM clause, eh? Kind of important, don’t you think? And that that rumour has it that he will only waive for NYR?
What about Petty’s NM clause- that doesn’t kick in till July 01, 2025. So, he has absolutely no trade protection right now. Also, kinda important, no?
yep, but miller would likely waive for a few teams: NYR, NJD, carolina (but they made their blockbuster trade already so aren't in the running anymore), maybe Boston, maybe Dallas, etc...& why wouldn't miller waive it for a chance to join any of the top contending teams going into the playoffs this yr...
Those are alot of questions, what about firing the coach? Or giving petey more money?… or just tanking for a first round pick? That’d be nice eh?
Teams are smart to lowball the Canucks because they want to move this player. But teams are dumb to lowball the Canucks because come playoffs you do not want to play against this player.
Trade the owner
Get rid of Alviin and Rutherford
I used to be a fan...Look what he did in Carolina and Pittsburgh
Getting too old now
The Owner isn't going anywhere
Ever!!
Hes a stubborn Owner.. Always has been
Fun Fact
His dad bought him a Lambo for his 16th Birthday after he begged his dad...lol
I hope that we can keep both Miller and petey
If Carolina had accepted the trade
Petey would have been gone two days ago
@@conservativeamber1216 they were also interested in Miller. Think they got the best return by staying away from the Nucks all together and landing Hall/Rantanen (Waaaaaaay better!).
They, not we. You're on the couch, not on the team.
@ That's CanucksNAte you're talking to buster. With the pic and everything. They is WE foo!
Canucksnate 🤪 let’s just hope JT gets out of Vancouver . And petey stays with only ending with 40-45 points for the nucks 😂😂😂😂
We want to keep JT Miller in Vancouver, we love him
Absolutely, unfortunately though it’s because of a lockerroom issue which makes this a tough call for the team
I don’t believe that Petey and Miller couldn’t get along is why they have a bad season. But it is undeniable the room (old, slow) stinks right now but it is not because of them. They have been together for close to 7 years and they need new energies in that room to keep things interesting.
Trade ep40! Keep miller
Why Petey over Miller in your opinion?
Dudes high
@@Summit15 He obviously is either a Canucks hater and wants the Canucks to get worse, or he's one of those blind Pettersson haters that popped up last Spring because they don't know what a knee injury is and don't want to know anything other then confirmation bias that "Pettey sucks".
I can tell you from an extremely reliable source who is tied to Canucks Alumni. Miller has been suffering from severe anxiety for years. He has been receiving therapy but has struggled to deal with it as of late hence his taking time off last month. The Pettersen / Miller fiasco is mostly a nothing burger, in spite of them having their differences and Pettersen saying making a few off-the-cuff remakrs Miller's way (not being aware of his mental health struggles). It's kind of ironic that the Canucks organisation, which pays a lot of lip service to promoting mental health, seems to be throwing its arms up and willing to offload this guy.
Miller is a closet case.
Swedes have rep for being aloof and insular. Maybe the prob is Petey not JT. How’s bout Petey for Barzal?
Think the Canucks would need a bit more but that is not a bad suggestion
Because why would being 'aloof and insular' cause JT any problems? Meanwhile we know JT fights with his teammates as he as done it publicly on the ice on multiple teams with multiple teammates.
@@Eleutherios1A lot of teammates fight on other teams in every Sports
Cole kept the team in Check last year
He was a solid leader in the dressing room and a #4 D man
Alviin is the problem and the System Tocchet is teaching...
No offensive production out of the D besides Hughes. I don't agree with this vlogger and I can see Miller retiring as a Canuck.
Trade the frail Swede that is not living up to his contract nor his responsibilities.
the drama is super embarrassing and makes the team look even weaker. the fact that neither player seems to be willing to hash it out and/or play to their full potential regardless shows a lack of maturity.
it’s time the core gets shaken up. we need some kind of change and management really needs to think hard about what kind of identity and culture they want to cultivate and promote moving forward. cause this ain’t it.
The issues in Vancouver start at management and then flow downhill right down to the bench and then the locker room. It doesn't matter what's going on with Miller and Pettersson. The fact the issue is all over the news is a complete failure in containment. The management of Vancouver Canucks are responsible for maintaining open communications with both players regardless of locker room dramas. Every NHL locker room experiences challenges. The coaching staff can help but they are not there to primarily baby sit human nature when things go right-off the rails. We're humans and I don't know any that are perfect. Players make mistakes. Teams lose sight of ways to keep players focused and engaged with the tasks at hand and each game. Each game one at a time.
When players start complaining and team management can't get ahead of the issues that's a disaster. Maybe... way back when it was Olde Tyme hockey a player might do something really stupid; like ruin another player's marriage. The team would square off with a dozen cases of beer; drink, then take turns dragging the players having issues out into a Winter Wonderland to deal with the issue. The team would take action as a group with the blessing of management and the coaching staff. The team might take turns throwing the two players into a snowbank or two. In warmer climates a rented pool at a hotel might work. The next game might be a write off because the team is suffering from a two day shared hang over and minor frost bite. A couple of black eyes and a few bruises wasn't unusual. Sometimes that worked. Too often it seems player agents are running to the media now to spill every little drip their clients leak to them regarding teams. Now there isn't a shortage of hockey pundits who can be used to manipulate teams and encourage drama. Social Media and the Internet are amazing when it comes to that purpose and use. The NHL players association should work with the NHL to stop this nonsense. Will it? Who knows? Probably not.
These agent-player leaks can do catastrophic damage to NHL franchises. Every year it seems we now experience a half dozen, or more, critical rumors that have players going left-right and every which way. As a fan. A rumour or two might be exciting. A little bit of spice. Then there are the situations where it's a media show where interference might be involved. Agents tease teams and teams tease back because if they can cheat and get away with it... the agents can win bigger paychecks for themselves first and then their clients. Hungry teams can land key disgruntled elements that can improve their chances to win; at a cheaper price if they are lucky. Agents start trying to manage more than just one of their clients; they start trying to manage teams on behalf of everyone they represent. I'm told this works. It's not working well for fans in Vancouver. The Canucks are looking like their ship is sinking this year. So fewer fans are going to pay to see them play. That negatively effects all the NHL teams the Canucks will play for the rest of the season. Who wants to watch that soap opera on ice at hundreds of dollars per ticket? I don't want to think about parking, food, and traffic. Those are all expensive things to pay for to watch a soap opera on ice.
If we really want to watch ridiculous drama, on ice, we can always watch Slap Shot. Or some silly Disney movie that mutates into an NHL expansion team. Don't worry Vancouver you're not alone. The Leafs are also enjoying drama challenges. That show is just being better contained and managed by all the adults, and adult wannabees trying to behave, in the organization at the moment.
Nice essay. It really IS too bad that the leaks can ruin careers all too easily?
Gonna be a hugeeeeee mistake to trade JT or Petey
Will be dependent on what they get back
I say keep them both.. see how it plays out over playoffs if they get there and make the decision at the end of the year.. its a loose loose situation to trade either i think, probably get lowballed on either trade they get offered cause of said drama happening..
I think they should only trade one of them if they find a reasonable return no need to settle
If anyone can go, Petey can go; BUT they F'ed tthemselves with a HORRIBLE contract signing (WHERE did that come from... and more importantly: WHYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?) Now they'll have terrible trouble trading him. BOTH players need to GROW UP already!
I think Dallas would be a great fit fir JT. They're in their cup window, have LTIR money to spend, have defense good enough to mask his flaws, and could really use his firepower.
The LTIR money helps alot and having him and Jamie benn on the same roster would make them a tough go in the playoffs
If Vancouver is to be a serious cup contender, then the current personnel situation in the locker room obviously needs to be addressed.
Yes that's 100% true
Nucks can bring in DeAngelo. He will keep Miller in check.
Isles already got him
Islanders
He played well today
Even Cole kept the team intact but Alviin got rid of him
Alviin is the worst
i know a lot of nucks fans were shit talking about my red wings all off season and seeing the drama puts a smile to my face
Didn’t think Canuck fans had beef with Wings fans but rivalries are big in hockey and that’s what makes the sport so special
Canucks fans are the worse Canadian fans ever. 😂
Red wings suck anyways dude probably smoked something before commenting
@ they have more wins right now than the nucks who I was told all off season are gonna run it back 🤷♀️
I just hope Miller doesn't end back up in NY. I remember something about his bad behavior and stupidity back then as well.
I can’t remember that but it may have happened, I will say though I think his edge, personality, and skill is a perfect match for either the Rangers or Bruins
What he do?
@@MbisonBalrog I don't quite remember because it's been like 10 years. I could be wrong. But I believe all the talk now about him having a toxic personality. I could be wrong about it now as well.
I dont remember that Either...
Alviin and Tocchet are the problem
And I like Tocchet but his Style of play isn't suited with this team especially without Cole/Zadorov and lindholm
It worked last year with those 3 even though we got Out shot most nights like this year...
@@conservativeamber1216 Okay, I could be wrong, then. I retract my comment about Miller being a problem in NY, but will leave it posted for posterity. Cheers.
Great content. Keep up the great work.
Appreciate it!
The Canucks should have won the Cup in 2011, but it wasn't meant to be. The Canucks kind of shot themselves in the foot beginning in that first round. Up 3-0 against Chicago, they choked away their series lead, only to expend every last ounce of energy to beat them in OT in Game 7. That first round series should have been over in 4 or 5 games for the Canucks. In the 2nd round, the Canucks faced the tame Nashville Predators. It was a pretty uneventful 2nd round series with Kesler turning into a beast, but again....somehow....it took the Canucks 6 long games to beat the Predators. In the third round series, the Canucks dispatched the Sharks in 5 games, which was good as it gave them sometime to rest before the Stanley Cup finals. Still, the fact that rounds 1 and 2 took longer than they should came back to bite the Canucks in the end. Also, Luongo had a bad habit of allowing at least one soft goal almost every game in the playoffs. This penchant for soft goals contributed to the first two rounds going longer than they should have, but I digress..... The Canucks would draw the lowly Boston Bruins in the finals. The Canucks were heavy favorites as the top offensive and defensive team in the regular season. They also had the best powerplay and penalty killing in the NHL that year. The Canucks won the first two games at home by narrow 1 goal margins. Then they got smoked 12-1 in two games in Boston....series tied 2-2. They won game 5 in 1-0 nail biter in which Luongo played great. Then came Game 6 in Boston, and the Canucks got throttled again 5-2. They returned home to lose Game 7, 4-0........very disappointing loss. The sad thing was that even though the series went 7 games, it really wasn't that close at all. In the seven game series, the Bruins outscored the Canucks 23-8. Although I wasn't a Canucks fan, my father didn't eat for a week as he is a Canucks fan. As a neutral observer of the Stanley Cup Finals, my assessment is that the Canucks got shafted. The Bruins took many many liberties on my father's beloved Canucks and the refs basically put their whistles in their pockets and refused to call a boatload of penalties against the Boston Bruins. It sure looked to me that the finals were fixed....how else could an inferior Bruins team win against the juggernaut that was the Canucks that year? That Canucks team of 2011 played the right way...immensely talented and a joy to watch.
Fast forward to 2025, these Canucks aren't even close!!!! Enough said.
Colin Campbell ran the referees in those days. His son played on Boston in 2011. We've seen the emails from a court order on another matter. The result was fixed by them. Ever notice that Florida plays a lot like Boston did back then? Campbell son is now the Assistant GM in Florida. NHL doesn't ever say they offer fair officiating, what they offer is "entertainment". Nothing fair about how they operate.
all this been blown out of proportion im surprised yall still talking about it
Agreed but it’s a real thing at this point and will likely happen within the next couple of weeks
New York Rangers fan here, we dont want him... We have enough lockyer room drama.
Rangers have turned things around lately and I actually think JT would be perfect there, plus I have heard former teammates say he is a great person in the room and a good leader
Every other comment I see a stupid ranger fam asking for him
There is nothing harsh about the truth
It’s harsh for Canucks fans to hear that their top line center is going to be traded
I think it's funny that everyone keeps criticizing the defense and saying it was better last year. We lost Ian Cole ( who everyone seemed to hate) and Zadorov who is doing nothing in Boston. That's it. 2 players. The biggest problem has been goaltending and lack of offense which is in large part due to injuries. EVERY single core player has missed games this year do to injury. Demko and Silovs have been horrible and have had AHL numbers in the games they started. Yeah we could get a couple of better d-men, but who do you get? Hedman? Makar? Every offensive player's numbers have dropped and that's a larger problem then defense. You can't win if you don't score.
This Canucks' team has this season had so many issues, with:
- not great goaltending other than from Kevin Lankinen
- the blueline
- a severe lack of secondary scoring
Blue line is a problem for sure. Goaltending is a different story. Demko missed all training camp and preseason and most of the season thus far, gonna take some time for him to get back to that top 3 Vezina status
@ Demko’s been injured but Arturs Šilovs from October to November played so badly that the latter hasn’t played a game since then. In any case, the lack of defensive awareness in front of those goalies has hurt them and Lankinen, with another critical game expected to start in under 10 hours’ time. Losing that upcoming game will continue a pattern the Canucks have fallen into following their last win streak: an inability to win many games other than Saturday Pacific Time ones.
Lol bro. Why did he take a one month leave from the team? Look at his body language. Dude has checked out. He's not a leader.
Shaq and Kobe figured it out and went on to win championships. No one on this team is important enough to have beef like this that derails a team. Grow up and get it together.
Nucks issues lie deeper.
The injury to Hronek made the D look really thin. It asked to much out of an aging Myers and Soucy.
Desharnais regressed after his good season for EDM last year, and Forbort isn`t much better.
While Hughes and Hronek are a formidable 1st pair, Hronek has only played half their games.
Myers, Soucy, Desharnais and Forbort might be big bodies, but all of them have negative possession metrics and look like as if they can`t do much with the puck.
Suter had an excellent last year, not so much this year. Miller and Pettersson, i think it`s BS. They play in different lines.
Pettersson has only 30 pts in 42 games, that`s just not enough for a 11,6m earning top center.
Trading Miller in a bit of a down year, just the 2nd year after they singed him to an heavy 7 year long 56m contract will not give you much return.
Canucks need to consider a rebuild soon, might as well get picks while you can, cash in, current team isn’t a contender.
Canucks problems were always there and just because you have one good season doesn't mean that original problems went away. Just putting that out there.
KEEP MILLER. Don’t screw this up and blow up the lineup. If anything trade Petterson. We don’t need laziness and unproductively and JT helps to motivate that
Ideally you dont want to trade either but keeping pettersson is better for the teams future, especially since he is the better two way forward of the two
Horvat, Miller, Petterson, Lindholm... why does this management hate top centers so much? They traded Horvat for a 'playable center'... who? Beauvillier or Raty return was awful. They rented Lindholm and didnt even try to sign him. They gave Miller a long term contract and want to trade him now. They give Petterrson big $ and term contract and want to trade him now as well. This management needs to be called out for its mistakes and continued awful treatment of their players. Not a single good move or signing from this management
They traded Horvat for a 1st which they flipped for Hronek. Good deal
Sounds like they’ve moved on from trading Miller to trading Pettersson. Which would be an even worse move!
I haven’t heard new news on that, I have only seen more talks surrounding Miller
Vancouver fans might be the most volatile in the whole league.
Love him / hate him / love him / hate him...And not just JT.
Its ridiculous.
I think the fans really love Miller, it’s more of a team issue
Every trade rumour surrounding Miller sounds like GMs think Allvin is an idiot or desperate or both.
If that last trade rumor with the rangers is legit than yeah it would be desperate to trade him for not nearly enough
I’d love miller on the kings
peterson doesnt do well during playoffs. canucks wont get too far with him. just look at lasy year performance of peterson during playoffs
What about JT MILLER for BO HORVAT
In STL, the word is Miller and Peterson for Thomas and Kyrou. Vancouver, would you do it?
Respectfully that would just bring the same lockeroom drama to STL so no if I’m the Blues
Hey buddy
Where did you get your green sweatshirt? Looks great!
Conway and Banks makes them
Let’s just hope JT finds a way to just quit playing for the nucks, no trades, just walking away
Watch Mcdavid walk in free agency 🤣
@ hey if he does, we have Leon Draisatl … but I doubt he will though
@ draisaitl won’t do shit if Mcdavid walks 🤣
Miller is not a team player. He wants to be # 1 and coach and GM. Their is a reason he was traded and no other team wants him.
where did you hear him wanting to be a gm or a coach, doesnt seem like thats the vibe just seems like he is an edgy player that doesnt get along with the teams other superstar
No one can play seriously with a ridiculous angry orca cartoon on their chest.
star, sure. superstar? nah. there are only a handful of superstars in any league. many stars. he's not even close to superstar status. Hughes is the sole SS on the Canucks.
Miller top 10 scorer in the entire league the last 4 seasons.
@@trippinout. which makes him a star.
I mean he has a full NTC and he said he’s only waving it for NY
He has never publicly said that
Should have traded Petterson
this is a little bit outdated already - there have been teams (or at least 1 serious inquiring team) like buffalo asking about petey...& injuries to hronek/demko - that's over (they're back, but not very good), it's lankinen's starting job now (or should be, for rest of the season
Petey is not being moved, teams can inquire but Miller is the one the Canucks are more willing to trade. Injuries are still relevant to the teams record, not sure why we wouldn't mention those when discussing the Canucks record.
@ (either or both of them can be moved - pete to anywhere before NTC kicks in july 1, 2025 ,& JT to any team he’s willing to waive his NTC for - all options are on the table
Not every player is mcjesus
It wasn't an impressive run though.
Of course it was, they were predicted to miss playoffs and won their division
JT has always gotten recognition. Wth are you talking about.
Recognition from Canucks fans* not fans around the league, I would say most fans outside of Vancouver typically over look him. Not saying they should just saying what I see
Sometimes. When the wind is blowing that way.
If we are going to trade him we need at least 2 first round picks
That is not going to happen, Jack Eichel didn’t even get that
miller never seems happy, his body language etc.
I think he just plays with more edge and attitude, I don't think he is the type of player to just quit
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Of course we don't really know what's going on in the locker room well that's what we'd like to know that's what you should be able to find out and share with us otherwise it's just a bunch of drivvl, nothing new just repeating the same old same old that everyone's been saying for 2 years with no insight whatsoever extremely disappointing not a chance in hell, I would subscribe to this and waste more of my time learning absolutely nothing
JT MILLER PLEASE COME TO THE AVS
They have a bit more space now, could happen
The Rangers moved on from JT Miller when they traded McDonough to the Lightning...one might wonder why. He signed a 5 year deal with Tampa and they traded him a year into that contrat...one might wonder why. He then has a career year in Vancouver and signs a 7 year deal, and now they are trying to trade him barely a year into extending him. maybe he's the problem? For the rangers to try and get JT Miller back in nuts to me. I am a lifelong Rangers fan and looking at the proposed trade that fell through has me tearing my hair out. We ruin more prospects than we develop and trading someone like Chytil and draft picks for a drama queen like JT Miller who's on the wrong side of 30 and has a large AAV until 2030 while we are trying to part ways with Mika Zibanijad. And JT Miller isn't a superstar. He's good when he's great, but when things are going south? yikes.
I wouldn't want Chytil or Ziba... Lafreniere and or Schneider are the only ones....NY won't ever trade Trochuk
And it's Petey who they tried to trade 2 days ago to Carolina but Carolina took the Avs Offer instead
Makes you wonder...
Also, last 5 years
JT is better than Zibanejad
Look at Zibs Plus Minus...Brutal
I wouldn't want him either one for one
Minus 24 this year..Horrible Defensively...Much worse than JT
At least JT Hits as well
Vancouver, making hockey comedy since 1970.
Skip the 2025 playoffs and handcuff them together in the off season
No team would make that trade why bring both of them and have the problem but in a different franchise
Miller's having issues with multiple people within the Canucks organization, including the head coach. Trading a guy like JT will be impossible to get a "good" deal for, so it may well be they have to take futures they can flip for the good return, which is exactly what the same management team did with Bo 2 years ago, so if a 1 for 1 talent for talent trade is not possible, then do a talent for futures far enough in advance of the deadline they have time to shop the futures around to get what we need, a strong 2D to pair with Soucy, or a strong 1D to pair with Hughes so our other 1D, Hronek can drop down to pair with Soucy, and Myers can drop to a 3D spot, where I think he'll be a good veteran stabilizer for the core, with sheltered minutes for the aging veteran. But the strongest and likliest path is to get an asset we can flip rather then trying to get what we want directly. With JTs no move clause and his big value AAV contract, the list of teams who'll want JT AND who JT is willing to wave for is short. The list of teams who'll be selling talent for futures as we near the deadline will be much longer and much more promising, and the futures won't have a contract where they can veto a trade they don't like, which will always be an issue with Miller.
I say trade both millionaire crybabies to the same rebuilding team!
Doing that would be a bit of a disaster for the team, I doubt Hughes wants to be on a rebuilding team so if you move on from both your basically going to move on from him as well
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He would fit in great there
Adios
there is no locker room issue but the media is making a mess of this. Just let it go . if they get traded then so be it. Right now all this internal stuff is even causing issues for a trade.
Yes there is a rift and hopefully Miller gets traded. This is great news for the Oilers! Even if the Canucks don't trade Miller all season, this drama between its good players is going to help the Canucks miss the playoffs. I am so happy for the Canucks! Failure is the story of this sad, sorry franchise.
Fake news
what is fake?
There is no team to trade Miller to, cause no one whants him. That says it all…
There are a lot of teams interested
Ive seen Miller criticize his fellow teammates during games on multiple occasions.
He is toxic to the energy of the team.
criticism can be a form of leadership though, who are we to say what works for them
JT Miller is SCREAMING to go to the Flyers. Flyers get a Center, Michkov and grow with him and Torts can get hi Defense back in line. Trade Couturier for Miller and each team trade a pick and both teams would be good. Make Miller the Alt Cap to show trust in him and that he has a home and Couts will improve the Nucks defense
At his age he is likely only going to wave his no trade clause for a team that is in contention. Flyers have a bright future but Miller likely wouldn’t be a good fit there
Nah, having seen Tort's way with people, JT will be on his good side up until they hit a stretch of bad performances(25-35% of a season), and once that happens, he and Torts will start lashing out at one another. I loved Tort's blunt attitude when he was in Vancouver, but it's too similar to JT to work well with him unless they can stay on top of the highs.
absolutely not
First
Trade them both. Quinn hughes doesnt deserve this
They shouldn’t do that but if they trade one they should be patient and get a good return
@@jimmyhockey yeah if they trade one now instead of sacrificing a season, they are not going to get what they should for either player
quinn is carrying this team. it’s sad. he doesn’t even seem to be able to mediate whatever issues are going on. the fact these two guys are older than quinn and behaving this way is concerning. like, stop acting like babies and get it together. at least don’t make the team suffer for it. they both have crappy attitudes.
@@bratbarf paying millions of dollars for these guys to act like children.
Do you get along with everybody you work with?
@@tomwilson3969 “do you get along with everyone you work with?”
no. but i do the job i’m paid to do and keep it together. the fact that these grown men can’t seem to do that just shows that both have too much ego and are acting like drama queens. they are both toxic in their own way.
EP is the problem
Why is EP the problem in your opinion?
PeterTwink. Go away
watching the Canucks is like watching our pathetic Liberal Gov't
"the proof is in the pudding" .... hey Canadians and Canuck fans! how that pudding tasting lately?? and we're learning that Tocchet really isn't a good coach....last year was a fluke...my Grandma could have coached that teams high last year..not a hard thing to do when everyone is having fun and the teams energy gets bumped from a difference coach...
btw...how long did Tocchet's "bump" last??? up to last years all star break....wasn't that long of a run tbh
bring in an old grumpy pissed off Joel Quinnville...maybe that'll get these overpaid drama queens to pull their head out of their embarrassing ass