Thanks Chris, it was nice to see the flame hardening at the end, and also see the mating with the other part! Your live hacking of G-Code is impressive!
If you machine after flame hardening, do you have to change speeds & feeds? Looked like it was machining just fine after hardening. How hard will it wind up after machining?
Hace años trabaje en un torno vertical shibaura el husillo cuadrado y la forma que hace el cambio de herramientas el mismo tipo de mordaza el control es diferente pero me trajo muy buenos recuerdos
Gdzieś ty to znalazł czego to takie upaprane w jakiejś glinie szkoda płytki w nożu gdzie oni ten materiał kupili w gliniance coraz gorsze roboty ci dają ale ty jak zawsze do przodu jak nie ty to kto
Great vid as always, thanks Chris. In regard to that forging, is it not possible for them to have forged a tapper on it to give you a bit less to have to rough off?
"TAPER" FFS! Seemed like a huge waste of time and material to me as well. Can't understand why the blank forging couldn't be a lot close to the finished shape than it was.
That was an open die forging, the modern equivalent to what a blacksmith produced. Tapers like a Morse type are possible. But this shape is nigh impossible open die and would require a set of closed dies, a large expense.
@@keithjurena9319 Easiest option I can think of would be casting, but that would mean different material properties that I'm assuming would not be ideal in this part.
Awesome looking piece. Machining at its finest Chris! Nothing like seeing what lurks inside that ugly raw piece of steel! I miss making those hot corn chips but didn't like getting hit by them.
@@ChrisMaj Great work. What's your trick to hold such close tolerance on those big parts. Also thanks for showing stuff, not just talking, like most machining channels do. There's only few RUclips channels, that show big heavy machining, only only couple that shows the setup and step by step process. Trade school/college would not teach you that.
@@Andrey222ful There is no trick. First, hopefully your machine is in good shape that can handle tight tolerances and second, work on your measuring technique, make sure you get it right.
@@Andrey222ful Something that has helped me to hold a close tolerance on very costly parts is to add to the program a test cut of about half inch in length leaving about .01 to .015 stock, using same speed and feed as the actual finish cut. I measure that diameter to see how it compares to what I programed. Make an offset if needed and then I run my finish cut. 15 minutes to avoid the walk of shame to the front office ☹️
@@mikeep1000 Thanks for the tip. What's your usually final pass? 0.005" or less, because if less then it rubs and leaves a bad sometimes uneven finish.
Not often you see a vertical borer.... I had to use dials.... 😉..... On all the machines.... Well the ones they let me near.... Lathes, Mills, slotter of death... You know the ones...... Y'all take care now
I know I'm seeing this WAY after the fact, but I was just recommended your channel because of my love of industrial machining vids. That said, That is the BIGGEST damn "micro"meter I have EVER seen! NICE TOY!
Это отвратительно, технолог безграмотный на предприятии, заготовка должна была быть покоївка, с пропуском под мег, себестоимость детали космос, простыми словами нам показали тотальну безграмотность!
Can't believe the part wasn' forged closer to final shape oven if it is an open die forging. Much stronger part. Much less waste. Can't believe all that was in there, surface finish and all, before the machinist uncovered it.
I was thinking the same but then again, if its not a mass produced part, it might be the customer does not care about the extra cost of longer machining time. And perhaps the extra machining time is less expensive than a more elaborate forging process.
Noice. (Not a machinist, please excuse my ignorance): guess you dont need coolant on some parts of the operation due to the sheer size of the stock you’re cutting?
Nie odbieraj tego że się czepiam następnym razem kazał bym wypiaskować lub wyśrutować detal przed obróbka (powinieneś zostać mistrzem produkcji wiórów ) detal niczego sobie fajny daje do myślenia co jemu się takie linie porobiły.
Is it me or is there a tool back there laying on a guest you can call it the floor of the machine back there I noticed it as their indexing tools if it is that's some pretty sloppy machine work
@@ChrisMaj I see no issues in a manual lathe. Have done the same. In a CNC however it can be bad. I saw a guy almost loose his hand cause he forgot and hit the pedal to take the part out and the whole 15” 3 jaw chuck fell on his hand. His hand was crushed pretty bad.
@@jimhimesjr we do some stuff with 4-jaw chucked into hydraulic 3-jaw on our CNC, first thing I do after getting the 4jaw chucked up I turn the pedal away from me, first thing my coworker said me when I was learning how to operate that lathe :D Well, got 250mm 4-jaw chucked into 250mm 3-jaw to make some face grooves into 6mm round alu plate with 4 mickey-mouses (professional term!) on it´s OD 90° apart.... pretty normal thing to mount a chuck into a chuck, nothing to be worried about
@@piter_sk They typically had the pedal hidden but forgot to this one time. Daylight guy set the job up and 2nd shift guys hand got mangled on the first part change of his shift. Be careful is all I’m saying.
It is understandable that some may think removing so much material is wasteful, but you have to understand what goes into making a forging like what you had here. Most manufacturers can accommodate any inner/outer diameter and width you need, but likely aren't going to fool around with anything more complex due to difficulties on their end as well as a steep jump in cost on yours. Maybe if I was making 100's of them, sure it might be worth having a die made up for a press and getting closer to final geometry. But for a one-off what I'm doing is the way to go, as unintuitive as it might be for those not familiar with practical limitations.
Is it awkward to tweak sizes with the conversation cycles on the fanuc controller? I never bothered to used them myself. Always used g71 and g70 cycles.
I swear, this dude is an artist of hardened metal
Very cool. Love the music at the end.👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks Chris, it was nice to see the flame hardening at the end, and also see the mating with the other part! Your live hacking of G-Code is impressive!
Well thank you, I'm glad you liked it.
He wasnt hardening the part he was heating it to expand the bore probably a .003-.005 press fit on the shaft
Excelente trabajo. Compañero. Bendiciones.
amazing finish turning affter hardening in the universal chuck
Super nice video 👍🏻
Beautiful work!
Master of Machining
Amazing video! Keep it up!
26" = 660.4 mm
Bro
26'=mm? Tell me please
@@mohd.shadab-0783 1"=25.4
26*25.4=660.4
@@sparmar4884 " Second ka simble hota h na
On le sais tqt
Спасибо
fortella la pendant fer the dusrry planner!!
If you machine after flame hardening, do you have to change speeds & feeds? Looked like it was machining just fine after hardening. How hard will it wind up after machining?
Hace años trabaje en un torno vertical shibaura el husillo cuadrado y la forma que hace el cambio de herramientas el mismo tipo de mordaza el control es diferente pero me trajo muy buenos recuerdos
That’s exactly how I make crusher bearings .from scratch
What's the cycle time for the roughing?
There was some amount of material to remove on that blank.
Tell you the truth, I don't remember. We are a repair shop so we don't count every second. I just have to get the job done.
@@ChrisMaj The raw part didn't look that broken ^^
Was relaxing to watch you(r/ at) work
Is that the same part on the horizontal lathe as the vertical one? The size of them seem so different.
Yeah it's the same part.
now i want a vertical lathe
That is a plastic blow molding tooling pin
It's Nice or It will help me in my work thank you.
Gdzieś ty to znalazł czego to takie upaprane w jakiejś glinie szkoda płytki w nożu gdzie oni ten materiał kupili w gliniance coraz gorsze roboty ci dają ale ty jak zawsze do przodu jak nie ty to kto
How did you learn to use fanuc manual guide, looks really difficult, no one ever uses it at my workplace or taught it at my school
Интересно сколько металла пошло в мусор
Blank from hell! :-))
Ha, you got that right.
The reeving on that crane load block is wrong, and should be fixed...
Let me assure you, it's all good. We have had this crane for over 20 years and it's serviced yearly.
@@ChrisMaj no, it isn't all good, the wire rope is twisted, and there should be periodic inspections, besides yearly.
техника безопасности? Не, не слышали...
14:00 That's not a micrometer, it's a MACROmeter! :D
Yes the tool change on the Goodway vertical mill-turn center is painfully slow. Goodway makes a very good machine though.
How many hours to make? I did some steam gates for the New Jersey, and three air craft carriers on a Mori Sikie LL7.
Lots of turning 😀
Boss: Not bad for 20 minutes of work, next time do it in 10.
Me:
You must work where I do.
The owner turns into Rain Man flipping over People's Court
🤣
I work on a vertical lathe with a 4 meter diameter bushing, I make high voltage electric motors
It's nothing and boring. Because it is CNC?
All you have to do is watch.
i love that you have a smaller chuck in the larger chuck, instead of changing chucks ^^
I'm over here in Cape Girardeau Missouri and was wondering if you could make a nose cone thing and send it to me. I'm making a coffee table..
0:14 OD = 26” (152mm)? 🤔
It's 660 mm. How did I miss that 🤔
@@ChrisMaj ... whats 20" between friends .... social distancing !! 😂
@@ChrisMaj Most important you didn't set it wrong into the machine.
@@Peppins I would have noticed it sooner or later 😅
Great vid as always, thanks Chris. In regard to that forging, is it not possible for them to have forged a tapper on it to give you a bit less to have to rough off?
I've heard that it's difficult to get a tapper on a forging, especially something like this where there's nothing to grab on to, but I might be wrong.
"TAPER" FFS!
Seemed like a huge waste of time and material to me as well. Can't understand why the blank forging couldn't be a lot close to the finished shape than it was.
@@christopherdean1326 Maybe more expensive to forge the cone shape more, than to machine it?. And at least all the swarf is recyclable .
That was an open die forging, the modern equivalent to what a blacksmith produced. Tapers like a Morse type are possible. But this shape is nigh impossible open die and would require a set of closed dies, a large expense.
@@keithjurena9319 Easiest option I can think of would be casting, but that would mean different material properties that I'm assuming would not be ideal in this part.
At the tire shop they use a smaller one of these tapered spindles when they balance my wheels and tires
I can't be the only person who find the rough turning segment to be so satisfying to watch...
The unevenness of the metal is crazy
Awesome looking piece. Machining at its finest Chris! Nothing like seeing what lurks inside that ugly raw piece of steel! I miss making those hot corn chips but didn't like getting hit by them.
Damn, thats the biggest live center ive ever seen
Did you nail the 13.999 +.001 -.000 bore on the first pass? Or did you have to iterate? 🤔
I usually take two finish cuts. There's no room for "maybe I'll get it the first time "
@@ChrisMaj Great work. What's your trick to hold such close tolerance on those big parts. Also thanks for showing stuff, not just talking, like most machining channels do. There's only few RUclips channels, that show big heavy machining, only only couple that shows the setup and step by step process. Trade school/college would not teach you that.
@@Andrey222ful There is no trick. First, hopefully your machine is in good shape that can handle tight tolerances and second, work on your measuring technique, make sure you get it right.
@@Andrey222ful Something that has helped me to hold a close tolerance on very costly parts is to add to the program a test cut of about half inch in length leaving about .01 to .015 stock, using same speed and feed as the actual finish cut. I measure that diameter to see how it compares to what I programed. Make an offset if needed and then I run my finish cut. 15 minutes to avoid the walk of shame to the front office ☹️
@@mikeep1000 Thanks for the tip. What's your usually final pass? 0.005" or less, because if less then it rubs and leaves a bad sometimes uneven finish.
Fantastische Arbeit...einfach nur Mega😀😀😀
Danke, ich weiß das zu schätzen
Looks like a lot of wasted time turningthe way it was done
Not much you can do differently unless you get a forging.
Не слабые допуски для такой крупной деталюшки.
At 15 s, The OD and ID are both converted to 152 mm. The OD should be 660 mm.
Not often you see a vertical borer.... I had to use dials.... 😉..... On all the machines.... Well the ones they let me near.... Lathes, Mills, slotter of death... You know the ones...... Y'all take care now
Great job, Chris! Congratulations and respect!
Thank you so much 😀
Definitely a “measure twice cut once” situation
Yeah, you got that right.
I know I'm seeing this WAY after the fact, but I was just recommended your channel because of my love of industrial machining vids. That said, That is the BIGGEST damn "micro"meter I have EVER seen! NICE TOY!
Seems like youtube is working in my favor. Hope you'll check out more videos.
Это отвратительно, технолог безграмотный на предприятии, заготовка должна была быть покоївка, с пропуском под мег, себестоимость детали космос, простыми словами нам показали тотальну безграмотность!
Can't believe the part wasn' forged closer to final shape oven if it is an open die forging. Much stronger part. Much less waste.
Can't believe all that was in there, surface finish and all, before the machinist uncovered it.
I was thinking the same thing. There was way more weight in shavings than the finished product 😮
I was thinking the same but then again, if its not a mass produced part, it might be the customer does not care about the extra cost of longer machining time. And perhaps the extra machining time is less expensive than a more elaborate forging process.
Noice.
(Not a machinist, please excuse my ignorance): guess you dont need coolant on some parts of the operation due to the sheer size of the stock you’re cutting?
I'm using coolant, just trying not to use it while recording.
Superb work Chris, I would never have coped with the CNC as I liked my bridge port and a .200th leadscrew remembering the back lash lol
Glad you enjoyed it
that must have cost a fortune to machine. that CNC lathe is a monster. what a massive chuck. nice work
This is still small for a vertical turning center. This can also do 4-axis milling.
Nie odbieraj tego że się czepiam następnym razem kazał bym wypiaskować lub wyśrutować detal przed obróbka (powinieneś zostać mistrzem produkcji wiórów ) detal niczego sobie fajny daje do myślenia co jemu się takie linie porobiły.
No niestety, gdzie duże sztuki to i dużo wiór. Te linie to zostały po hartowaniu płomieniowym ,czy jak to tam po waszemu nazywają (flame hardening)
Is it me or is there a tool back there laying on a guest you can call it the floor of the machine back there I noticed it as their indexing tools if it is that's some pretty sloppy machine work
Damn you have a good eye. Yeah it's a tool, I needed a different tool put in in the same spot.
OD 26" = 660.4mm
Or just a typo
Nice work by the way
Yeah, it's 26" (660mm)
Somehow I've missed that when editing.
Многие поняли? DCBNR + CNMG гениально👍👍👍
Tip of a ball pencil?
Haha yeah, big ass pencil.
Игорь Негода такую заготовку на ТВ-4 обточит, как здрасти!
да уж ) а если за дело возьмутся еще еще Бербраер и Певцов с молчуном, то я думаю они за 4 минуты уложатся, из которых 3 будут спорить кто начнет )))
Precision of 0? AWESOME O_O
Fantastic
Didnt know they made such big micrometer lol
Super robota detal wykonany cudnie :)
W stalowni tak ładnie długo nie będzie wyglądał.
I don't know if it is a live center for a lathe but it looks like one.
Tiago
How many time you need to complete all the process?
Perfekcja - jak zawsze, Panie Chris ;-)
Here is a silly question... where does somebody learn this stuff initially? Is it apprenticed OJT or a school?
First I went to trade school all manual machines then started working at a repair machine shop manual and then cnc and here I am 25 years later.
@@ChrisMaj thanks!
Негода одобряет подобную экономию металла. :)
маловероятно, ибо экономии около 0.
Goodway CNC , Amazing !
Hi Cheis
Very impressive, I’ve never seen a Chuck mounted in a Chuck before.
Some people don't really like that idea, but it saves me a lot of time.
@@ChrisMaj I see no issues in a manual lathe. Have done the same. In a CNC however it can be bad. I saw a guy almost loose his hand cause he forgot and hit the pedal to take the part out and the whole 15” 3 jaw chuck fell on his hand. His hand was crushed pretty bad.
@Jim Himes I don't have that problem. None of my chucks are hydraulic.
@@jimhimesjr we do some stuff with 4-jaw chucked into hydraulic 3-jaw on our CNC, first thing I do after getting the 4jaw chucked up I turn the pedal away from me, first thing my coworker said me when I was learning how to operate that lathe :D Well, got 250mm 4-jaw chucked into 250mm 3-jaw to make some face grooves into 6mm round alu plate with 4 mickey-mouses (professional term!) on it´s OD 90° apart.... pretty normal thing to mount a chuck into a chuck, nothing to be worried about
@@piter_sk They typically had the pedal hidden but forgot to this one time. Daylight guy set the job up and 2nd shift guys hand got mangled on the first part change of his shift. Be careful is all I’m saying.
Yo siempre he dicho que el hombre siempre su veneno más grande. Es criticar criticar no se arregla nada. Y cada quien haga su. Chamba
For small cone , wasting huge metal. Is this advisable .
It is understandable that some may think removing so much material is wasteful, but you have to understand what goes into making a forging like what you had here. Most manufacturers can accommodate any inner/outer diameter and width you need, but likely aren't going to fool around with anything more complex due to difficulties on their end as well as a steep jump in cost on yours. Maybe if I was making 100's of them, sure it might be worth having a die made up for a press and getting closer to final geometry. But for a one-off what I'm doing is the way to go, as unintuitive as it might be for those not familiar with practical limitations.
Muy bueno que modernas es la máquina muy prolijo saludo desde Rafael Calzada.Buenos Aires.Argentina
How much time you take to complete this job?
There was a lot of operations vtl, flame hardening, lathe so I don't really know.
I always think much of this is for marine applications...
Most of the work we do is for steel mill industry.
You want some salsa go with those chips?
Hot please 😅
I prefer guac.
Great work.
how many hrs dis that take?
Making Tuba Bells.
Ładne GUI ma ten panel. Uzyskana część - piękna.
No staram się.
You must get paid by the hour. When I ran a VTL we used 1 inch RNMG inserts for roughing at .5 inch DOC.
Well, I only got 30hp to work with and yes, I do get paid by the hour.
Where did you study?
I thought that kind of Micrometer lives only on a fairy tale, well I just saw a legend.
Шлифмашинкой абразивной на токарной шуршать не по феншую
porthole for nasa spaceship
Why on earth would you have the holder like that when working on the face
The cush work for a shop, chips & smoke with long cycle times
такие заготовки желательно пескоструить для начала, инструмент дольше проживёт.
what time? tr? te? i think about 40h for one part? Nice Work!
Карусельный с CNC. Когда-то обслуживал такие. Электронику. Интересная была работа.
What are they used for mate I've seen you do these before amazing quality
They use it somewhere in the steel mill. I don't really know the details.
It's an uncoiler mandrel for steel coils.
to slow man hit it harder
Nice 😊
your tool was on fire when you sharpened a lot at the beginning, slow down
Is it awkward to tweak sizes with the conversation cycles on the fanuc controller? I never bothered to used them myself. Always used g71 and g70 cycles.
Probably 80% of programming I do is on FANUC manual guide. You can quickly change between roughing and finishing cycles.
4 digit G codes?!?!
厉害了
Good to see windows xp in use