Well, you have to take into account that after the George Floyd protests and insanity, a HUGE # of officers just sort of sat down. And if it was my husband, I would be beating on hells front door to find him and would expect that the cops need to be behind me or beating on other doors. It seems extremely odd that there hasn't been more searching going on for these women. Sometimes having faith in the system gets innocent folks a years long prison sentence or gets a victim killed. If they didn't have the resources to search, then they should take the opportunity to use the community when it has volunteered to help and let it.
Yeah, the media are mad that they can't get their way in Oklahoma. Basically, they are just crybabies that are more concerned about their own ego's then really helping.
EXACTLY, a wise man once said "the media are the enemy of the people". FYI I worked at LE agencies at the local, state and federal level, the media really are awful.
I assure you, they WONT be okay!! It was their Mother, even kids who were abused love their abusive parents. They will always love, miss and talk about their Mother.
I believe the police department is moving in silence they know more than we do and have a suspect. The Newman is a jerk we all wants these ladies home to their families.
@@archangel807 LOL! Could have been the ex or someone associated with him. It's gotta be "family" because of the bitter custody battle. BTW, those rehab facilities are not on lock down; any patient can walk out at any time. The ex could still have did it. 🤷♀
I think the reason we’re not seeing a grid search where the drone was looking is because authorities don’t believe that’s where they are, it’s where the vehicle was. It doesn’t mean the police have dropped the ball, like some comments suggest. We’ll know more when it’s time…
@@weeknders I believe you should be addressing @lovechangesus, not me. I was merely answering your question with a fact, which included no propaganda. In fact, I agree with your point of using "alleged". Honestly, I would have used the word "suspect" or "indictee" had I referred to him at all.
If they’re telling family/friends to stay tight-lipped and they’re not searching on the ground, I feel like they have a fairly good idea of exactly what’s going on/where the women might be… hence why they aren’t searching in this area, just as Laura stated. Devastating no matter what happened.
I feel Leland here is a bit of a jerk. He doesn't seem to understand that the bad guys might be watching the news too. Perhaps he might be better suited for a job as a used car salesman.
Yes and he can't even say "rural" correctly, on all the reports he keeps say "rwuwah' or something.... He really should have picked another profession.
OR maybe the police does not want the suspects to know they are suspects so they make mistakes...It is annoying me the tone the media is using in this case, the "something shady is going on because they don't tell us"
How sad it is that custody battles can end up with one parent killing the other and then they end up going to prison and then the kids are left parentless in the end. It's my hope that this isn't the case and that the women show up alive and well but at this point, it's unlikely. Such an incredibly vast area to have to search over!
As a Spokesperson and Veteran Survivor of Human Trafficking I feel that I can negate this theory that these 2 wonderful Moms did not fall prey to Traffickers as the average age of those lured/stolen/sold Victims are statistically between ages 12 to 16.🙏🙏💔💔💜💜
Usually I would agree with everyone about their age & trafficking BUT things have changed in our country - THEIR IS A PRICE ON EVERYONE & EVERYTHING anymore it seems. But either way I'd lean more to thinking they were two defenseless women who caught the attention of someone from somewhere they stopped along the way ( couple of guys in a van who don't get " attention " & knows the area well sees 2 traveling women from out of town that are distracted sure makes the ladies an easy target along long stretches of roads ) unfortunately. I pray they are returned soon to their babies. Lord be with them & their loved ones & guide law enforcement to the truth !!! AMEN
VB has a close family member that sexually assaulted kids and the other family did not want them near them. Sadly the other mom was in the wrong place trying to do the right thing.
Or the police would have to be lying. In the Idaho 4 case, for example, they lied and claimed the untouched roommates were asleep on the first floor of the home from 1am until noon and heard nothing. Later revealing they were on separate floors, and communicated to each other during a quadruple homicide.
Yes. It's obvious it's more than likely related to the bitter custody dispute. It's gotta be family-related. Just have to found out who and what happened. Poor ladies.
@@millymurray9324 I am merely observing logic. Either police have an idea of what happened and who did it, enabling them to truthfully inform the public they are not in danger, ... or they are being untruthful. If the latter, it would not be the first time that happened. I am not declaring any statement of fact or claiming some evidence that is proven or shown... So gtfo your power trip projecting your delusions.
@@johndeere8594 Der! That's not typically what they'll use. I'm sure as a last resort on the 1 and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance that either those involved were at a stop light when someone else ran a red light, or those involved ran a red light. Most places, like the cities around me, got rid of them. Besides, there are cameras ALL OVER MY CITIES ON EVERY SINGLE INTERSECTION WITH LIGHTS MAKING IT LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE TOWN WITHOUT GOING BY ONE! Then There are business cams, dash cams, ring cams, and ATM cameras that are non stop snapping stills literally every second and storing them for weeks. On every single highway and interstate plus in between them there are 360 cameras on every single overpass where exit and entrance ramps are. There are DOT cameras and license plate readers all over the place too.
Someone had control of the situation before they had a chance to run. Makes me wonder if they thought they were being pulled over by cops who turned out to not be cops?
So if they were going to pick up the children, who were they supposed to meet, and did this person show up WITH the kids? Was grandma taking the kids to pick up point? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
The grandmother didn't want either of the parents to get custody, the took her to court. The mother hadn't seen the kids since July. I feel like the grandmother had something to do with this.
@tubeonline629 That's pretty drastic. The court giving the grandmother custody over either parent is unusual. Imo, this suggests that the parents may have been a perceived harmful influence to children. Perhaps the pastor's wife had helped the woman with recovery and was helping her as they predicted the grandmother would be difficult. Idk. Many parents and grandparents have done crazy things in misguided attempts to protect kids.
Sometimes the public doesn't need to know every little detail in an investigation. Let law enforcement do their job. It's the same as people wanting to know everything about places like Area 51. Sometimes there are secrets for a reason.
I say, GOOD. The media, any media, doesn't need to know every single little detail of people's lives in situations like this. I bet they're so frustrated. The public generally just wants to know where these ladies are. Dead or alive. Details can come LATER, if at ALL. No need to air everyone's personal business, good or bad. That's just my honest.
That's easier said than done, if the ex-husband is a suspect, their history together would come out especially since they both share children together.
Well if you CARE about these women you would want to know what the situation is... And most people -- maybe not you -- but most people CARE about each other... We choose not to turn a blind eye to things around us... It's a part of being more conscious about your surroundings and a mark of empathy and intelligence.
Years ago my dad told me that in the state of Alabama there was a couple who targeted truck drivers by having the woman stand on the side of the road with a baby next to a car with the hood up, and the man would be hiding in the ditch or the other side of the car where it could be seen. And when the person in the truck stopped or another vehicle stopped then the man would come out and attack the driver of the vehicle.
After being on a federal grand jury back in the 1980s, in Oklahoma. My guess is the know who they are looking for, but can't find them and they do not want those people to know that they know.
Two mothers are missing and you don't want people looking for them? Let that be my Mom & I'm talking to every social media outlet there possibly is Something really weird is going on
Everyone is so entitled to know everything just like the media. You want answers so you can get views, that's your bread and butter. Let the investigators do their job for crying out loud!
Is it just me, or does it seem to be taking longer than ever before to solve crimes? We live in the digital age where we are constantly tracked by cell phones, one would think their exact whereabouts could be discovered within 24 hours...(wishful thinking) I pray they are found.😢
The gentleman in the center is either insensitive or does not need to be reporting on stories that are as intense and requires one to understand the reason for tight lips. This is a case that has had my interest since it first made the national news. I'm from the East Coast, but I've driven some of these forsaken roads like this in Kansas and other states, and I worried, without a reason to, about my car breaking down and other scenarios because of the vast expanse of absolute nothing. It can be eerie, whether day or nighttime. I 100% agree that the police are keeping facts close to their vests because they already know at whom to look and, perhaps, even where to look. It is heartbreaking, and we all know from other crimes that your family can hurt you like no one else verbally and physically, to the point of taking your life and thinking nothing of it. Whoever is found guilty of these ladies' disappearance deserves little mercy. I wish we had a way to instantaneously punish people who do things like this - give them 15 minutes to pray and are put to death then and there. It would go a long way in deterrence if nothing else. I'm truly hurt for the family of these ladies and hope that this case has a better ending than what it's looking to be. How this will affect the children is most profound. 😪🙏
If it was my family, I wouldn't be putting all of my trust in LE. I'd be talking to the media, sharing what I know, and I'd be asking lots of questions. I would definitely show the world that I care, in hopes that someone would come forward.
Several people in the know on other channels have said that those rehab places are n-o-t on lockdown; any patient can leave willingly at any time. I wouldn't exclude the ex yet, even for him doing or helping with the dirty deeds.
Parents this is why it's critical that when you're doing a custody exchange that you do it in a well lit, public space. Apparently there is a gas station 17 miles from the location there was spotted. This would've been a primary location to do a custom exchange, even if it requires you to travel further than the halfway point, it's better to be safe than sorry.
This was OK'd by a judge. I can't imagine a judge OK'ing a drop off/pick up spot at an abandoned gas station, unless it was surrounded by active businesses where there would be a fair number of people around. I've never been to this "4 Corners" place...it sounds like there would be businesses around there. I personally think the 2 women showed up to the pre-arranged meeting place, saw that the kids weren't there, and then decided to drive to grandma's place (the road they took would take them there) and a pre-arranged car followed them until they were at a desolate spot with no witnesses, then ran them off the road (the car was parked oddly, against traffic) and attacked them. Just IMHO.
Makes absolutely no sense to have a drop off and pick up point out in the middle of nowhere I was always told when I was helping my friend get her kids to meet in a public place where there's a lot of people and lots of cameras this makes no sense why they would have this area as a drop off and pick up point
Exactly. This "4 Corners" place sounds like it would have several businesses there, even if they were suppose to meet at an abandoned gas station right by there. Like you said, I can't imagine a judge OK'ing a drop off/pick up of kids somewhere desolate. My theory is that the 2 women d-i-d stop at the pre-arranged place but the kids never showed up, so they decided to continue on to Grandma's place, were followed and then ran off the road when they got to a desolate section of the road, with no witnesses. And then were assaulted and driven some place else, poor women.
It sounds like the custody battle has been going on since 2019. Grandma has the kids & mom wants custody. I think the kids are with their grandma now & have been with her for 5 years
I think someone who knew that the women would be driving on this road kidnapped them, but not necessarily in the place where the abandoned car was found. Or foul play or human trafficking possible
First question. Who stands to gain the most from the women's death/ disappearance? Who knew where they were going and their route? That is the second question. Third question. Who was meeting them? 4th question. Why does Grandma have the kids? 5 th. Are there dirty cops involved? As has been stated. That needs to be addressed. 6th Even if the children's father was in rehab, that doesn't give him an air-tight alibi! Grandma has lots of money. This whole thing could have been bought and paid for knowing he would have been in rehab and therefore " not responsible." People do hire hitmen, so to speak,to carry out their dirty work leaving them able to arrange an alibi. Oldest story in the book. 7th Why are the children being allowed to stay with any family members specially the Grandmother? If LE thinks that family is involved in this, that puts the children's lives at risk. Obviously, there are some people with some scary physiological problems here close to these children. If the LE are thinking it is family. This reminds me of Kindergarten Cop. The movie. You have psycho Grandma and just as bad father trying to find and kidnap a little boy. To keep him all to themselves and away from his mom. Watch the movie. Take the children from the Grandmother and see what she does? They would be safe at least.
It does seem like a set up. A car broken down on the road flags them down for help. Friend or foe. The story sounds like an old movie script. People not talking is wise. You don't always want people to know what the police are doing. Could cause the bad guys to make a hasty decision. Transparency is great but these are people's lives were talking about. Armchair detectives really cant help in most situations, but just follow the news. Only those who know can help.
5 decades in the area. Be very careful out in that area. There are Sovereign Citizens and Federalists out in that area. Thank you for covering this story. We need all the help we can get. God Bless you please be careful.
SC and federalist are more interested in staying out of the rat race not bring it to their door and believe me if they saw these women being kidnapped they would have stopped it.
My theory is the 2 ladies went to the meeting spot but the kids never showed up, so they decided to drive to Grandma's, who was suppose to have custody of the kids and the road they were on actually led to her house. They could have been followed from the meeting spot and ran off the road when it got desolate and there weren't going to be any witnesses or cameras. The ladies' car was parked oddly; like pointing in the wrong direction of the road. As soon as the women stopped, they were attacked and brought to another location...which is why LE is not searching around their car. Poor ladies. Just IMHO.
Heard they weren't on the main road, off of it a little. Sounds like they were ambushed, someone was already waiting for them to show up. I understand no phone service and you would be able to see someone coming for miles.
My thoughts exactly - a couple of guys who knows the area sees 2 " tourist's " that are distracted or in deep conversation at like a restaurant & over hears wouldn't take much to put those ladies in a bad situation real quick especially out in the middle of nowhere unfortunately.
@@Always_A_Lady No...this definitely was "personal" and a targetted attack via the bitter custody battle. Another commenter said that the original person who was suppose to go with Veronica backed out because he/she was getting threats and that's why Jillian went. This definitely was a setup if I've ever seen one. I think the ladies showed up at the pre-arranged meeting spot and the kids weren't there, so they decided to drive to Grandma's, who was suppose to have custody, and were followed and ran off the road when it got desolate, with no witnesses or cameras. Though there's always a very small chance...this doesn't sound like it was random.
@@bettywith2girls Sounds as if you have more inside information than myself, I mean no harm just merely thought of that scenario ( because it happens way too much ) & wanted to share with everyone & join the conversation. Either way the most important thing is that law enforcement work every angle to find these 2 ladies as soon as possible & I pray for a good outcome for the ladies themselves & also for those babies. Take care friend & God Bless. 🦋❤️🌻🙏🌼👼🙂
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They need to search all the properties grandmas boyfriend owns.
they probably are
UM yea, but they need probable cause first you silly goose!
Yea but he owns 40,000 anchors
Exactly.
@@carlodanger8187
Does he sell anchors to boaters?
If this were my family I’d want the Police to do what they think best, not what the media thinks best.
if there's Law Enforcement shenanigans .. if these women are in any way involved with cops .. you can't trust the investigation
Well, you have to take into account that after the George Floyd protests and insanity, a HUGE # of officers just sort of sat down. And if it was my husband, I would be beating on hells front door to find him and would expect that the cops need to be behind me or beating on other doors. It seems extremely odd that there hasn't been more searching going on for these women. Sometimes having faith in the system gets innocent folks a years long prison sentence or gets a victim killed. If they didn't have the resources to search, then they should take the opportunity to use the community when it has volunteered to help and let it.
Yeah, the media are mad that they can't get their way in Oklahoma. Basically, they are just crybabies that are more concerned about their own ego's then really helping.
EXACTLY, a wise man once said "the media are the enemy of the people". FYI I worked at LE agencies at the local, state and federal level, the media really are awful.
If I was in Kansas I would not trust the cops unless they are dead. It might have been the cops. They just turn their lights on and pull them over
If the cops aren’t really doing anything, then they KNOW something.
Yeah they are crossing their t’s and dotting their i’s and building an iron clad arrest warrant. But they also don’t want any suspects to run away…
Well I'm from Oklahoma and sometimes they are just lazy and not so smart. Really, pretty slow people here on average.
Yes, those are my thoughts too.
@@rawdata7569 blend right in do ya?
@@zunar_j5_933 why are you offended Zunar did you resemble his remark. 🤣🤣🤣
The poor kids. This is sickening
Kids will be ok.
I assure you, they WONT be okay!! It was their Mother, even kids who were abused love their abusive parents. They will always love, miss and talk about their Mother.
@@partyuv5I think the implication is that kids are in fact resilient. Lets us all hope and pray that the kids WILL be ok…
I believe the police department is moving in silence they know more than we do and have a suspect. The Newman is a jerk we all wants these ladies home to their families.
I agree, and if the dad is behind the murders.....that is one of the most selfish acts, 1 parent killing the other parent.
Apparently crossing grandma is dangerous!
Would only go in there with the Marines
@@archangel807 LOL! Could have been the ex or someone associated with him. It's gotta be "family" because of the bitter custody battle. BTW, those rehab facilities are not on lock down; any patient can walk out at any time. The ex could still have did it. 🤷♀
@@bettywith2girls Salvation army not secure
I think the reason we’re not seeing a grid search where the drone was looking is because authorities don’t believe that’s where they are, it’s where the vehicle was. It doesn’t mean the police have dropped the ball, like some comments suggest. We’ll know more when it’s time…
Nine days? 🤨
Exactly
If they are building a case they have to as one commenter said make ironclad
I think the police already know. 😢
This guy is a joke. Did he really say "keystone cops"? He is not qualified to report on serious cases. Send him to do weather.
This is how they treated the cops during the silence of the Idaho murders by Brian Kohberger
@@lovechangesus Has Brian been convicted?
@@weekndersNo, hasn't been convicted.
@@LynnAnthony Then he is alleged.
Try and get your propaganda correct.
@@weeknders I believe you should be addressing @lovechangesus, not me. I was merely answering your question with a fact, which included no propaganda.
In fact, I agree with your point of using "alleged". Honestly, I would have used the word "suspect" or "indictee" had I referred to him at all.
I think the car was dumped there.
Same…
I do also
Darn good point, didn't think of that!
Makes sense why they wouldn't be grid searching the area
@@CaseyRhyneXoXoso maybe they were abducted elsewhere or before leaving the area?
If they’re telling family/friends to stay tight-lipped and they’re not searching on the ground, I feel like they have a fairly good idea of exactly what’s going on/where the women might be… hence why they aren’t searching in this area, just as Laura stated.
Devastating no matter what happened.
Motive 4 disappearance of 2 mothers..
Exactly. They know the women were brought to a 2nd location...that's why they aren't searching around the car. Poor women.
Grandma and her boyfriend are involved.
Foul play=Blood
Ya think?
Purses left in the car!
no threat to the public = it was the family
And or shell casings
Or signs of struggle. Personal items left behind.
I feel Leland here is a bit of a jerk. He doesn't seem to understand that the bad guys might be watching the news too. Perhaps he might be better suited for a job as a used car salesman.
I agree the guy in the middle is really dense.
He couldn’t possibly be more insulting.
I have this 1989 Toyota Corolla.
Yes and he can't even say "rural" correctly, on all the reports he keeps say "rwuwah' or something.... He really should have picked another profession.
@@blaiseaimee7098That’s been bothering me too! 😤
OR maybe the police does not want the suspects to know they are suspects so they make mistakes...It is annoying me the tone the media is using in this case, the "something shady is going on because they don't tell us"
The family is involved, police dont need to grid search they know what happened. This is probably gonna turn out like the cassie carli case.
They’re searching somewhere else, I think they know where they are. They definitely have information we don’t.
How sad it is that custody battles can end up with one parent killing the other and then they end up going to prison and then the kids are left parentless in the end. It's my hope that this isn't the case and that the women show up alive and well but at this point, it's unlikely. Such an incredibly vast area to have to search over!
Happens all too often
Just today in Las Vegas. 3 shot dead over a custody battle. And one was pregnant so 4 lives lost. 😢 4+ children have one less parent tonight.
Let's get people to go to church on Sunday.
Heartbreaking , too much violence
@@Sufferingsassafrass yes, custody is dangerous...
What's up with this dude? Calling "keystone cops" what a jerk.
He is very rude. Can’t believe he is a host on News Nation. I expect better from them.
Yeah, that was uncalled for.
He hates Trump, too. He was rude when he was on Fox, loser Saturday crew.
I stopped watching because of him.
As a Spokesperson and Veteran Survivor of Human Trafficking I feel that I can negate this theory that these 2 wonderful Moms did not fall prey to Traffickers as the average age of those lured/stolen/sold Victims are statistically between ages 12 to 16.🙏🙏💔💔💜💜
I thought that.
☝️
I think that it depends on the intent.
Usually I would agree with everyone about their age & trafficking BUT things have changed in our country - THEIR IS A PRICE ON EVERYONE & EVERYTHING anymore it seems. But either way I'd lean more to thinking they were two defenseless women who caught the attention of someone from somewhere they stopped along the way ( couple of guys in a van who don't get " attention " & knows the area well sees 2 traveling women from out of town that are distracted sure makes the ladies an easy target along long stretches of roads ) unfortunately. I pray they are returned soon to their babies. Lord be with them & their loved ones & guide law enforcement to the truth !!! AMEN
Oops, " THERE " is a price. 🙂
They hid the bodies.
I was just gonna say that. That is ALOT of land to bury bodies.
@@naturistfredyes so true
Who ?
From the location the car was found to Grandmas house is surrounded by pig 🐖 farms. That is even a scarier thought! 😮
Grammys cleaning up🤫
These news anchors are awful!
Be careful, that's my wife you're talking about.
@@rillest75 😆
The lady on the right has common sense
There’s a reason FOX Fired Leland, now you see why….
VB has a close family member that sexually assaulted kids and the other family did not want them near them. Sadly the other mom was in the wrong place trying to do the right thing.
They already know they just cant prove it yet
They know.
If they aren’t searching, it means they know they aren’t there.
I’d say they already have an idea of what happened and who did it. Otherwise, the public would have to be in danger.
Or the police would have to be lying. In the Idaho 4 case, for example, they lied and claimed the untouched roommates were asleep on the first floor of the home from 1am until noon and heard nothing. Later revealing they were on separate floors, and communicated to each other during a quadruple homicide.
@@bewell6019 Nothing proven or shown. DONT BE ANOTHER LIAR
Think perhaps they know that women are already passed. R.I.P
Yes. It's obvious it's more than likely related to the bitter custody dispute. It's gotta be family-related. Just have to found out who and what happened. Poor ladies.
@@millymurray9324 I am merely observing logic. Either police have an idea of what happened and who did it, enabling them to truthfully inform the public they are not in danger, ... or they are being untruthful. If the latter, it would not be the first time that happened.
I am not declaring any statement of fact or claiming some evidence that is proven or shown... So gtfo your power trip projecting your delusions.
that dirt track is a road? That does not look like a route to anywhere. There is a lot we clearly do not know.
Way out in the country yes that is a road out here
It's a county country road
tell me you've never been to rural America without telling me you've never been to rural America....
Oklahoma has many dirt roads.
In a region whose primary purpose is growing crops, that's a road.
There was a broken window. Do these reporters even try to get the facts ? 🙄
This is sad, both ladies likely killed
They were taken in the middle of know where. Far away from red light cameras,ring door bell cameras,surveillance systems on businesses. And witnesses.
Yes 🙌
red light cameras? LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly...no witnesses. Poor ladies.
@@chhansen9813 Have you heard of those?
@@johndeere8594 Der! That's not typically what they'll use. I'm sure as a last resort on the 1 and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance that either those involved were at a stop light when someone else ran a red light, or those involved ran a red light. Most places, like the cities around me, got rid of them. Besides, there are cameras ALL OVER MY CITIES ON EVERY SINGLE INTERSECTION WITH LIGHTS MAKING IT LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE TOWN WITHOUT GOING BY ONE! Then There are business cams, dash cams, ring cams, and ATM cameras that are non stop snapping stills literally every second and storing them for weeks. On every single highway and interstate plus in between them there are 360 cameras on every single overpass where exit and entrance ramps are. There are DOT cameras and license plate readers all over the place too.
Someone had control of the situation before they had a chance to run. Makes me wonder if they thought they were being pulled over by cops who turned out to not be cops?
Keystone cops? This guy lost me already. What an A*s!
He was asking are they.
Pray for the women and their families!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
So if they were going to pick up the children, who were they supposed to meet, and did this person show up WITH the kids? Was grandma taking the kids to pick up point? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
The grandmother didn't want either of the parents to get custody, the took her to court. The mother hadn't seen the kids since July. I feel like the grandmother had something to do with this.
@@tubeonline629 same
Exactly. Why wasn’t grandma at the exchange point 3 miles away? And what idiotic judge ordered a drop off at a deserted building?
stop embarrassing yourself
@tubeonline629 That's pretty drastic. The court giving the grandmother custody over either parent is unusual. Imo, this suggests that the parents may have been a perceived harmful influence to children.
Perhaps the pastor's wife had helped the woman with recovery and was helping her as they predicted the grandmother would be difficult.
Idk. Many parents and grandparents have done crazy things in misguided attempts to protect kids.
Sometimes the public doesn't need to know every little detail in an investigation. Let law enforcement do their job.
It's the same as people wanting to know everything about places like Area 51. Sometimes there are secrets for a reason.
I say, GOOD. The media, any media, doesn't need to know every single little detail of people's lives in situations like this. I bet they're so frustrated. The public generally just wants to know where these ladies are. Dead or alive. Details can come LATER, if at ALL. No need to air everyone's personal business, good or bad. That's just my honest.
That's easier said than done, if the ex-husband is a suspect, their history together would come out especially since they both share children together.
@@naturistfred
Thar doesn't mean it's the public business. The DA has to know. The police have to know. Not the public.
Don't want your personal business aired, don't have a mess!!
Well if you CARE about these women you would want to know what the situation is... And most people -- maybe not you -- but most people CARE about each other... We choose not to turn a blind eye to things around us... It's a part of being more conscious about your surroundings and a mark of empathy and intelligence.
@@rigs6874 tell that to the VICTIMS.
What is this Leland guy’s damage? Yeesh, rude af.
Years ago my dad told me that in the state of Alabama there was a couple who targeted truck drivers by having the woman stand on the side of the road with a baby next to a car with the hood up, and the man would be hiding in the ditch or the other side of the car where it could be seen. And when the person in the truck stopped or another vehicle stopped then the man would come out and attack the driver of the vehicle.
That happened to a friend of mine in Atlanta a few years ago.
It happens
Did I hear that clown correctly? Did he call LE Keystone cops?
😂😂He did!
To be fair I think he was saying it in the form of a question.
More like Mayberry RFD kinda cops, they will get their guy, just going to be whistling and maybe fishing a bit
He needs to be fired.
Bring in FBI
I'm sure they have
Bring in Stone Cold Steve Austin
The most untrusted name
The OSBI is Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.
@@chhansen9813if you're paranoid.
“Keystone Cops”? Really? Do better. Be respectful.
Come on…show us an aerial view of grandmotherhouse!!!!,
After being on a federal grand jury back in the 1980s, in Oklahoma. My guess is the know who they are looking for, but can't find them and they do not want those people to know that they know.
They are obviously not out there or the authorities would be looking.
Takes time , patience , and not talking as to give any info to the wrong people.
Exactly. Let's give the authorities the time to do their jobs. We will learn what happened soon enough.
Two mothers are missing and you don't want people looking for them?
Let that be my Mom & I'm talking to every social media outlet there possibly is
Something really weird is going on
I agree!! I’ve never seen one this remote and silent.
@@LisaP-pd6nq Their dead
They know who did it but without bodies be hard to solve...
Kansas had a asian/black guy in the 80's that murdered 3 young girls. 1st case in the country
a loser got 3 life sentences with no bodies
Does the grandmother still have the children? I thought there was court paperwork that she wasn,t to have them either. I may have that wrong.
maybe not anymore after this development
I’m curious too. Who has the kids?
@@bbloodyangel1Wait, what development? It sounded to me like the same info they’ve been talking about for days and no new info?
@@Sufferingsassafrass I think gma has the kids even though she isn't supposed to
Everyone is so entitled to know everything just like the media. You want answers so you can get views, that's your bread and butter. Let the investigators do their job for crying out loud!
Is it just me, or does it seem to be taking longer than ever before to solve crimes? We live in the digital age where we are constantly tracked by cell phones, one would think their exact whereabouts could be discovered within 24 hours...(wishful thinking) I pray they are found.😢
Exactly. And were the cell phones then taken with the women and why not tracked? Maybe so remote of an area they can’t track them? I know nothing 😅
The gentleman in the center is either insensitive or does not need to be reporting on stories that are as intense and requires one to understand the reason for tight lips. This is a case that has had my interest since it first made the national news. I'm from the East Coast, but I've driven some of these forsaken roads like this in Kansas and other states, and I worried, without a reason to, about my car breaking down and other scenarios because of the vast expanse of absolute nothing. It can be eerie, whether day or nighttime. I 100% agree that the police are keeping facts close to their vests because they already know at whom to look and, perhaps, even where to look. It is heartbreaking, and we all know from other crimes that your family can hurt you like no one else verbally and physically, to the point of taking your life and thinking nothing of it. Whoever is found guilty of these ladies' disappearance deserves little mercy. I wish we had a way to instantaneously punish people who do things like this - give them 15 minutes to pray and are put to death then and there. It would go a long way in deterrence if nothing else. I'm truly hurt for the family of these ladies and hope that this case has a better ending than what it's looking to be. How this will affect the children is most profound. 😪🙏
If it was my family, I wouldn't be putting all of my trust in LE. I'd be talking to the media, sharing what I know, and I'd be asking lots of questions. I would definitely show the world that I care, in hopes that someone would come forward.
I would do the same. The only way they would shut me up is with a gag order and most of the time, they don’t do it.
This is exactly why they don't give family members much info, "sharing what you know" could easily destroy their investigation
Susanne morphew example of poor LE
You can’t think with emotion. The investigators know what they’re doing. They have a strategy and don’t want to tip off the possible perpetrators
That would depend on the information, and every situation is unique.
Thank you for being persistent on trying to get information. I pray we learn more soon.
Absolutely they were taken to a second location. Tick tock, tick tock ….only a matter of time until the arrest
How convenient he’s in a drug rehab now
Right ? He coulda still planned this but wasn't there directly.
@@smudgesaysno524I ❤️ Smudge! 😻
Several people in the know on other channels have said that those rehab places are n-o-t on lockdown; any patient can leave willingly at any time. I wouldn't exclude the ex yet, even for him doing or helping with the dirty deeds.
Trackers needed
I don’t think they are in the field. I think they were taken away by whoever harmed them.
Parents this is why it's critical that when you're doing a custody exchange that you do it in a well lit, public space. Apparently there is a gas station 17 miles from the location there was spotted. This would've been a primary location to do a custom exchange, even if it requires you to travel further than the halfway point, it's better to be safe than sorry.
This was OK'd by a judge. I can't imagine a judge OK'ing a drop off/pick up spot at an abandoned gas station, unless it was surrounded by active businesses where there would be a fair number of people around. I've never been to this "4 Corners" place...it sounds like there would be businesses around there. I personally think the 2 women showed up to the pre-arranged meeting place, saw that the kids weren't there, and then decided to drive to grandma's place (the road they took would take them there) and a pre-arranged car followed them until they were at a desolate spot with no witnesses, then ran them off the road (the car was parked oddly, against traffic) and attacked them. Just IMHO.
Being from OKLAHOMA. I find Ketstone Cops offensive. Shame on you.
I keep looking for law enforcement updates.
Now apologize to the local police for the "Keystone cops" comment. Sheesh.
Makes absolutely no sense to have a drop off and pick up point out in the middle of nowhere I was always told when I was helping my friend get her kids to meet in a public place where there's a lot of people and lots of cameras this makes no sense why they would have this area as a drop off and pick up point
Exactly. This "4 Corners" place sounds like it would have several businesses there, even if they were suppose to meet at an abandoned gas station right by there. Like you said, I can't imagine a judge OK'ing a drop off/pick up of kids somewhere desolate. My theory is that the 2 women d-i-d stop at the pre-arranged place but the kids never showed up, so they decided to continue on to Grandma's place, were followed and then ran off the road when they got to a desolate section of the road, with no witnesses. And then were assaulted and driven some place else, poor women.
Towns out here are pretty much 30 or more miles apart there is more middle of nowhere than there is towns
Poor Leland was really riled up tonight. Have a beer and calm down. 🍺
😂he’s a wreck!
If it's a trafficking area it SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM TO CHECK!
I imagine if someone talks, their life could be in jeopardy. Small community, everyone knows everyone.
They must have been abducted and taken in a vehicle away from that area.
Once again, no word about the kids, where they are and who has them.
It sounds like the custody battle has been going on since 2019. Grandma has the kids & mom wants custody.
I think the kids are with their grandma now & have been with her for 5 years
The OSBI is a well respected law enforcement organization. This reporter is talking out of his ass. Very unprofessional.
Keystone cops? Very rude to say for a reporter.
Thanks for telling us what the RUclips channels have already told us 4 days ago.
Nothing new here 👎
Thanks
Seriously! Isn’t it a little early to blame the police? There are many reasons to keep information under wraps
Continue prayers that these two young women are found. ❤
I think someone who knew that the women would be driving on this road kidnapped them, but not necessarily in the place where the abandoned car was found. Or foul play or human trafficking possible
Let the osbi do their job. They know what they are doing.
First question. Who stands to gain the most from the women's death/ disappearance? Who knew where they were going and their route? That is the second question. Third question. Who was meeting them? 4th question. Why does Grandma have the kids? 5 th. Are there dirty cops involved? As has been stated. That needs to be addressed. 6th Even if the children's father was in rehab, that doesn't give him an air-tight alibi! Grandma has lots of money. This whole thing could have been bought and paid for knowing he would have been in rehab and therefore " not responsible." People do hire hitmen, so to speak,to carry out their dirty work leaving them able to arrange an alibi. Oldest story in the book. 7th Why are the children being allowed to stay with any family members specially the Grandmother? If LE thinks that family is involved in this, that puts the children's lives at risk. Obviously, there are some people with some scary physiological problems here close to these children. If the LE are thinking it is family. This reminds me of Kindergarten Cop. The movie. You have psycho Grandma and just as bad father trying to find and kidnap a little boy. To keep him all to themselves and away from his mom. Watch the movie. Take the children from the Grandmother and see what she does? They would be safe at least.
I wonder if OSBI thinks the local law enforcement is involved?
i bet ex husband is involved
Duh
He has a solid alibi, he's been locked up with no contact.
@@wagwag630is he locked up though or just in rehab?
@@Sufferingsassafrass supposedly in rehab
It does seem like a set up. A car broken down on the road flags them down for help. Friend or foe. The story sounds like an old movie script. People not talking is wise. You don't always want people to know what the police are doing. Could cause the bad guys to make a hasty decision. Transparency is great but these are people's lives were talking about. Armchair detectives really cant help in most situations, but just follow the news. Only those who know can help.
I think the kids never left grandma's house that day.
Let me just say something, disappearances involving bitter custody disputes usually involves a homicide. We’ve seen it many times before.
5 decades in the area. Be very careful out in that area. There are Sovereign Citizens and Federalists out in that area. Thank you for covering this story. We need all the help we can get. God Bless you please be careful.
Ain't no one out there
What is a sovereign citizen?
Hey sorry and also I don't know what a federalist is either? Thank you for explaining if you can.
SC and federalist are more interested in staying out of the rat race not bring it to their door and believe me if they saw these women being kidnapped they would have stopped it.
This desolate stretch is a route, for kids to go to and fro, from school?
Crazy.
There sure are a lot of silos in that whole region, surely they must be searching them too.
This is such a bizarre case
Were their footprints found around the car to indicate they ever stepped out the vehicle at that location?
I hope LE had the presence of mind to think of that and make casts or at least have photos of any footprints around that car, to get the attackers.
So good to see Tracy Walder as opposed to that other FBI retired airhead expert. You know who ;)
Did the cops screw this up? News Nation looking for headlines and relevance.
💜🙏 Prayers from Australia
Keystone cops!!! How judgmental when you don’t have all the facts! Is this a news station or just a place for commentary!
Why would they be in that field? Someone took them period.
My theory is the 2 ladies went to the meeting spot but the kids never showed up, so they decided to drive to Grandma's, who was suppose to have custody of the kids and the road they were on actually led to her house. They could have been followed from the meeting spot and ran off the road when it got desolate and there weren't going to be any witnesses or cameras. The ladies' car was parked oddly; like pointing in the wrong direction of the road. As soon as the women stopped, they were attacked and brought to another location...which is why LE is not searching around their car. Poor ladies. Just IMHO.
Where are the kids?
Those kids need taken into protective custody
so agree w/ flowerpower ,the poor kids this is sickening
Why does his mother have custody?? 2:23
Someone who new they're time and roaught
There's no mystery's with God. HE knows exactly what happened
Well he’s not speaking up.
Yet he isn't talking....
If that was the case, or he cared, this wouldnt be a thing
@@creepergaming8453 Precisely
Heard they weren't on the main road, off of it a little. Sounds like they were ambushed, someone was already waiting for them to show up. I understand no phone service and you would be able to see someone coming for miles.
My thoughts exactly - a couple of guys who knows the area sees 2 " tourist's " that are distracted or in deep conversation at like a restaurant & over hears wouldn't take much to put those ladies in a bad situation real quick especially out in the middle of nowhere unfortunately.
@@Always_A_Lady No...this definitely was "personal" and a targetted attack via the bitter custody battle. Another commenter said that the original person who was suppose to go with Veronica backed out because he/she was getting threats and that's why Jillian went. This definitely was a setup if I've ever seen one. I think the ladies showed up at the pre-arranged meeting spot and the kids weren't there, so they decided to drive to Grandma's, who was suppose to have custody, and were followed and ran off the road when it got desolate, with no witnesses or cameras. Though there's always a very small chance...this doesn't sound like it was random.
@@bettywith2girls Sounds as if you have more inside information than myself, I mean no harm just merely thought of that scenario ( because it happens way too much ) & wanted to share with everyone & join the conversation. Either way the most important thing is that law enforcement work every angle to find these 2 ladies as soon as possible & I pray for a good outcome for the ladies themselves & also for those babies. Take care friend & God Bless. 🦋❤️🌻🙏🌼👼🙂
Jumping to Keystone cops... Fact driven? Unbiased?
They need to do a search on all cell phone pings it's so rural. They will find the suspects
Exactly. Much fewer numbers to go through in this rural area.
No cell reception through some of that area.
The answer lies with Tifany Adams
I agree 100%
Is Tiffany Adams the ex husbands mother?
@@Aangel452
Yes
@@Aangel452 yes
@@ImadMarli Does she have horses and a horse trailer by any chance?
Her ex husband did it 😮
We cannot help if they keep secrets about this case, people will not help
My thoughts exactly 👍🏻
they dont need people to help. they likely know what happened.