The Terrible Truth Of The Modern Dating Crisis - Louise Perry (4K)
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Louise Perry is a writer, Press Officer for the campaign group We Can’t Consent To This and an author.
Young women have been through turmoil over the last 50 years. With their entry into the workforce, emancipation from the kitchen and greater freedom and independence, you might think they have got everything they want out of life. But unfortunately, the reality may be less rosy.
Expect to learn why 40% of young adults say that marriage has outlived its usefulness, why younger generations see relationships in TV shows as an unnecessary addition, whether women are actually happy with the modern culture around sex, what the fallout of the MeToo movement has been, why young women are unhappier on average compared to previous generations and much more...
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00:00 Is Marriage Still Useful?
02:38 Society is Becoming More Prudish
11:52 Young People’s Views on Sex in Movies
15:05 Birth Control is Making Weak Men
20:19 The Gen-Z Pushback Against Romance
25:23 Is Patriarchy the Best System?
27:54 How Culture Impacts Our Views of Sex
33:00 Are Women Happier Now Than 70 Years Ago?
43:55 10 Years On From #MeToo
55:20 Why Men Aren’t Approaching Women
1:10:49 The Mental Health Crisis of Girls
1:19:09 Do Pedophiles Need Sympathy?
1:23:08 Why Women Support Body Positivity
1:27:50 The Normalisation of Cosmetic Surgery
1:38:14 Where to Find Louise
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Here's the timestamps:
00:00 Is Marriage Still Useful?
02:38 Society is Becoming More Prudish
11:52 Young People’s Views on Sex in Movies
15:05 Birth Control is Making Weak Men
20:19 The Gen-Z Pushback Against Romance
25:23 Is Patriarchy the Best System?
27:54 How Culture Impacts Our Views of Sex
33:00 Are Women Happier Now Than 70 Years Ago?
43:55 10 Years On From #MeToo
55:20 Why Men Aren’t Approaching Women
1:10:49 The Mental Health Crisis of Girls
1:19:09 Do Pedophiles Need Sympathy?
1:23:08 Why Women Support Body Positivity
1:27:50 The Normalisation of Cosmetic Surgery
1:38:14 Where to Find Louise
More Louise! She’s so nuanced and bright and always brings new information instead of the same old cynical “we’re doomed”
welcome to the end of economic prosperity and the decline of society
i think that uncertainty is a bad breading ground for relationships
(at my own job i see a lot of devorced men women have bf's fast after device or dending a relationship)
look at the rate women use anti depressives things like valium speepingpills and xanex it's true the roof
I like the "hello you beauties" greeting more. Please, Chris, call us beauties as often as you can 😅
13:22 wish they had taken this poll or study when I was young. Graduated 20 years ago, from high school. Never been on the pill. Just find it cringe..and I’ve felt that way since I was a kid. High sex drive..
Had a student when I taught in prison. He bragged about having 4 baby mama's. I asked him how it felt not being part of his kids' lives. How they would grow up without a father. He shrugged, "I grew up without my pops, and I turned out okay." He seemed oblivious to the fact that he was in prison and would be for another 12 years. Yeah. he turned out just fine. Created 4 more customers for the prison system to profit from in the future. Good job.
Good job not holding 5 women accountable for their choices
@@ShaunHensley its both people's fault. Like the video said, women are the ones who have to face the consequences of casual sex due to biology. Why didn't the guys just use protecttion?
Well said.
Common sense not so common
@@milkshrekpastaHow about not sleeping with straight up criminals?
men don't want to fight and die for a country that hates them
Nope
People realize all modern wars (and even many past ones) are to protect the financial interests of an international clique, not freedom and democracy, or whatever other excuse of choice a regime uses.
Nope. Everyday, working class men are more willing to die for their country in countries that are dictatorial and oppressive towards them.
Same applies to the men vs women chemistry and the level of entitlement women make, while claiming that they "deserve" everything on an impossible list
What they have want, DOES NOT EQUAL, what they deserve.
What about the opposite?
In society of overly competitive individuals, there is no room for love and compassion.
Everybody wants to rule the world.
That’s pretty insightful
Not always true. There is competition within effective collaboration, and collaboration in effective competition. It's nuanced.
@@JordanSlaymaker-ls7nhNot really, people always look down to others who they deem inferior or weak.
This is why society has a harsh stigma around incels
Never mentioned incels bud 😂 basically what I'm getting at us this. Within any "effective" competition of any sort, collaboration is necessary, however you view the people above and below your current status. Additionally, any collaborative effort, of any kind, will have competitive elements within. It's human nature. Then it's up to us to CHOOSE, how we view and treat those around us. There are several people ik personally who say time and time again, who genuinely mean it, that they despite all of their success have found no greater joy than finding someone "beneath" them whether it be socioeconomically, socially, or any other area of life they excel in and teaching them what they have learned.
The part where she talked about the “All Or Nothing Marriage” really struck a chord with me. It seems like everyone I’ve ever tried to date expected me to be perfect in every way and I never was up to snuff for them, and so they never gave me a shot at a long term relationship.
You are really quite fortunate, whether you believe it or not: AVOID WOMEN!
@@garythomas4936avoid marriage. Hard to avoid women entirely.
This 1h40m interview was uploaded 7 minutes ago, and already there are people posting that are either strongly agreeing or disagreeing with it.
You don’t watch things at 1000x speed? Pfft. Pleb.
naturally
Probably because they know their comments are most likely to be viewed now or never.
Hi everyone happy holidays from my wife and I!
Thumbnail police
I see this all the time with YT videos now.... My only conclusion is that people are only reacting to the THUMBNAIL. It saddens me because then reasonable people get baited into responding to a vapid comment. I love comments but even I have to admit they're getting worse every year.
True story in my family. My grandma was known to be the most beautiful woman who also had the prettiest hair in the village. Her friends essentially convinced her to bleach her hair because it would've made her look better. This resulted in her having to cut off most of her hair...They then laughed at her and called her stupid for falling for it.
"friends"
I can believe that. She was a threat so they sought to bring her attractiveness down. This is also happening in entertainment.
Anecdotally, I was invited to bring gifts to a baby shower. Problem being I'm male. I pointed this out and was rounded on. As it being female only is not a thing anymore.
I brought said gift and was repaid with mockery and laughter and had it pointed out that baby showers are a female affair.
Lesson learnt. Trust your life experience, what your eyes see and your ears hear. Beware of gas lighting
@@ryanfairfoot263those people sound cruel and mildly evil.
@@ryanfairfoot263literally delete them
@@D3sdinova You just described most of humanity.
1:06:30 "The blast radius of that signal"😂😂 Perfect way of putting it
Yeah that made me laugh. So true.
A very recent UK study showed that the #2 thing that cured female anxiety/depression was quitting full time work. For men the #1 thing that cured anxiety/depression was finding full time work.
citation? very interesting!
Citation is all of human history.
Meaningful work. My work is meaningless and makes me anxious and depressed. And I feel like a significant portion of white collar jobs provide very little meaning.
@@jayl9729 For me, meaningful work is the type that allows me to provide for my family. The job itself doesn't NEED meaning in and of itself, for me anyway. but it the job itself has its own meaning, that's good too.
There will always be monotony in daily life, but if you assign a meaning to it, it will become meaningful. My wife went from hating cooking to enjoying it because instead of a laborious chore, it because providing warmth, welcome, and nutrition of her children and husband.
man doing his tradtional role,, women doing their traditional role.. wow groundbreaking. so add one more acceptable option woman wants to pay for her own stuff not have a man pay for her stuff..thats ok too. they used to cal them lesbians and thats ok too.
Honestly, in order to have a stable and thriving culture, you need men and women who are actually strong willed, responsible, and self accountable. If society destroys those pillars then it all collapses
Men and women have to be able to work together. This isn’t happening.
The destruction of traditional society in the UK has been by design since WW2. You are absolutely correct about responsibility and accountability, there is very little of both in Western society. I moved to Asia were its against the law to damage someone's public image, the young have huge respect for their elders and the majority have families in there early 20s. Society is booming and full of life. It's truly sad to see my home been turned on it's head and people still not seeing or acting upon how much we are being manipulated by government.
(((all according to plan)))
Why strong willed?
@@TheDionysianFields those without a strong will lack conviction, those without conviction lack purpose. those who lack purpose live in the most despair as their despair is silent, even to themselves.
The reason for drop in lgbt acceptance is that messaging went from live and let live to being endlessly pushed and shoved onto people. And the line kept being pushed into ever more ludicrous territory. Plus No tolerance or grace in the other direction. Even kids and teenagers got sick of it.
It followed the exact trajectory the Christians said it would. Live and let live turned into trans and pedophilia real quick and eroded the family and societal morality. Almost like it’s happened before in Greece and Rome! Weird that!
Completely agree.
Being straight is now an act of teenage rebellion
The true nature of the movement is being revealed.
I agree. Homosexuals are 3% of the population. And yet today they make up 30% of every movie, novel or TV series. There's nothing left for heterosexuals. I think if the same sex marriage vote was repeated in my country, knowing what we know now, it would be overwhelmingly rejected.
One of the topics she discusses is chivalry, and she believes that we should never have abandoned it; it should have remained an ongoing institution. However, this notion presents challenges because chivalry was a system that imposed obligations on both men and women. It constituted a framework of mutual obligations, where men had duties towards women, and women had responsibilities towards men. The idea that women had to be chaste, modest, and virtuous was integral to this system. Without women participating in this system, chivalry would not function effectively, as it would devolve into a one-sided arrangement resembling exploitation, where men are obligated to women without reciprocal benefits for themselves.
they ALWAYS talk about the part that MEN have to do and perform and never talk about the things taht women have to do and fix. Its always 'women's lives are so hard! Men should do X in order to fix this because women are in trouble!' which is hilarious because the reason we are where we are is because we listened to women giving them what they want and fixing their problems.... The huge majority of women I would say 99% don't know what they want or what will make them happy! The proof can be see everywhere right now in this day and age. The idea that we should listen to women as disrespectful as it sounds is ridiculous...
Right she does. But of course doesn't acknowledge who really killed it. Answer Women. Women killed it. They have the society they helped shape.
this is nonsense.
@@swetsTV how is this nonsense that's not an argument
They talk about chivalry all the time - but men in the past would never court a +30 year old single mother with an attitude and a body count higher then John Wick.
I like how this almost feels like a serious conversation at a coffee shop. Incredibly deep topics, occasional whispers
I stopped hormonal birth control after 4 years and the only thing I have noticed is the depression went away immediately. No more suicidal thoughts. Other than that, nothing changed. But I am glad I am no longer chronically depressed.
That's a pretty big "only thing" 😅
That's a HUGE thing. You could have just as easily not be alive.
I am happy for you, thanks for sharing
There's a price to pay for everything. There are no free lunches anywhere in the universe. So there's bound to be a large price to pay for subverting something as fundamental as one's reproductivity and getting to have unprotected sex to your heart's content.
Same! I was a mess for years, emotional breakdowns, depression, manic behaviour and suicidal. Stopped using the pill and all psychological problem were gone within a month.
As an 85 year old retired aerospace engineer, I was brought up with "traditional family values". That is to say, I expected to one day marry a girl, we would start a family, she would stay at home and take care of the children and the housekeeping, and I would go out and work to support our family.
I do believe that in today's world, that has become increasingly difficult to do, what with the rise in the cost of living. Of course, back then we lived in a modest old house which had only one bathroom, no a/c, etc. Property taxes and utilities on our first house were also low/affordable. And we had only one car that was quite old.
Women didn't have oral contraceptives. So we were careful. OTOH, my children got married later than I did. But their standard of living is much higher than what I first experienced, what with multiple cars, larger and much more modern houses, children who have to be driven to their after-school activities, etc. So it's all much more expensive now.
Are they happier now? That's the question, isn't it.
Yes, the quantity and quality of relationships has decreased greatly. Neighbors dont talk or visit, strangers are feared, very few conversations or actual teaching of one's kids, etc.
As a gainfully employed Aerospace engineer A.E.E.M. Degree employed as a Aerodynamics analyst CFD level 2,what does stating your occupation have anything to do with what you said?!
@@TheFriendlyPsychopath.
It’s showing status and what the person was happy with despite their relatively prestigious role. It adds weight to the person’s words.
Why did you feel the need to highlight this?
@@jasonriek1986 I’m an aerospace engineer as well, aerodynamic CFD level 2. A 85 year old man stating a job title from 20 years ago has nothing to do with the video.
@@TheFriendlyPsychopath. to a degree it does:
it shows perspective, to a degree, level of intelligence, and they finish it off with a good question,
after mentioning the level of standard they saw in their own life and then the one from their children.
maybe it was to stroke their own ego a bit, but let someone have their little moment would you,
it's not like it hurt the overal point.
We talk our selves in circles , it's very simple. TV and social media are the biggest factors in influencing young people especially young women
Yeah,...sure....only women....🙄
@@watchdog6619 They said especially, not only. Learn to read.
@@mr.mayhem4054 Oh shit you're right, my bad 😩
Pretty cute when Chris didn’t know what “Goop” is and she didn’t quite catch that he was lost.
Wow, what a breathe of fresh air when a women talks about modern dating in a logical and statistical approach with zero intent of throwing either groups under the bus. We need more of these women in the front lines talking about societal issues.
Those women who do not tow the sisterhood line will get slandered and labeled pick me, you can't deviate from the hive mind without consequences.
@@Saberdudif you're not called a pick me, you're called "unhealthy" or a "prude". I've said many of the things she's said.
She's definitely still selling men short though. Even if selective correlations of low testosterone and low crime at certain times in certain areas wasn't falsely seen as causative, as opposed to something like low self-control from bad upbringings for example, it still shouldn't even be a question that reducing society to complacency through the destruction of male ambition and innovation is not a worthwhile tradeoff.
Deviating from a self-destructive hivemind has constructive consequences.
Yes, there will be pain in the short-term. But at least you'll survive *EXTINCTION.*
Might be worth considering.
@@hyperteleXii extinction? Interesting choice of words.. I'm 36, single, childless. I want a family but can't get past a 1st or, at best, 2nd date anymore, because men have the same expectations as women, that you will throw yourself at them quickly "if you really like them." Sir, how can I know you after only two dinners that only lasted a few hours??? No, I should've been a single mother. At least I'd have a child.
My sister (a Catholic) has told me that there's a word for women who use cycle tracking as birth control. That word is "Mom".
We need to keep birth control. And improve upon it.
My (Catholic) response: That's supposed to be the goal.
😂😂😂
@@ChickFenwickNo one will ever improve it because big pharma benefits from all of the medical detriments.
@@glassjester As she has 7 kids, she'd likely agree. (She's a doctor - so she knows the math. And they can afford 7 kids.)
This is the first time I have heard of Louise; she is very articulate and intelligent. Watching her explain some of these issues that I was completely oblivious to was a pleasure. I wholeheartedly agree with her take and am lucky to be the very last generation to grow up before smartphones became mainstream for teenagers. I am also lucky to be happily married for about 16 years to a woman who is definitely more traditional.
Today: AVOID WOMEN!
@@garythomas4936 but would you say that view further feeds the cycle?
I have to say that listening this woman speak is so refreshing, even men disagree with me when I say: "Live in the world as it is, not as it should be."
The world as it is today: “AVOID women!” Or, learn the hard way.
This is a great quote
RE: The military not being able to recruit. I'm a second gen veteran. Many guys of my age were sons of multi generational veterans. Many of the guys I served with in the Army were also from a long line of veterans, many dating back to the Revolutionary War. There is not one single fellow veteran I know, even the multi generational guys, that want their kid/s to join the military. Endless war/deployments, Anthrax vaccine, C word vaccine, Gulf War Syndrome, Burn Pit issues, Agent Orange, the list goes on and on. We didn't sign up to be the world's police. We signed up because we loved our country.
One thing the military could do is extend the entry ages to match the demands practical average position. The loss of the endless chain of 18 year old's is gone. Mid career 40 year old Males and Females can deal with the supply chain, the item that wins wars by all accounts, moving of arms is on pallets for the past 100 years, I do not get the PT requirements for the middle of the force that might get 3 days on the rifle range during an entire career. If I could have entered the officer core at age 40 or just drive a truck with my life experiences the war fighters could focus on kinetic proficiency, and I can deal with the logistics chain without being x5 the price as a contractor. That is the skill I have been doing for 25 years, getting x to y at time z.
Good this is the only way to stop the US from being forced into endless wars
Thank these kids.
Let women/trans join the military!
I did two stretches in the Marines. First in peace time. Did my six (2 on, 4 res), got my benefits. Second, 12th of September. You know which year. Amazed at such a small turnout. Little more than 2 dozen at the recruitment ctr. Loved BT the second time round. Knew exactly what to expect. Could laugh at the kids who didn't. "10 miles! But it's raining!" "Okay, we'll make it 20." Kids.
@@garythomas4936 Let!!?? Conscript. Go directly to front lines.
There are no solutions, just trade offs.
Sounds like life in a nutshell. Great conversation!
Thomas Sowell
@@greg.ocallaghan Yep. You beat me to it. :)
Women expect to choose what they want without there being any consequences. Not trade offs.
It is just a rephrasing of "when you choose one thing, there is another thing you didn't choose" And of course there are solutions. It depends on the situation and the question. It is by no means a catch all phrase.
So what exactly is the trade off for men who can't get laid or meet partners?
wow this is neither feminist or misogynistic, just straight up facts and smart rational people discussing about things.
sliding on the surface....
Love that!
Appart from him defending Nazi methods, interesting indeed.
I disagree on why young men are becoming more conservative. I believe it's due to the schools including universities, social media and regular TV continually bashing on men that they have fully pulled back.
LOL no. South Asian men are more conservative than their fathers and at times, their grandfathers. The reason is insecure sense of self and lack of identity. The media isn’t only to blame. Because the 10% of men who are not conservative, but liberal, also don’t display insecure sense of self or lack of identity, and have far better chances with women.
I find it interesting that we blame the institution of marriage and not the people married. Marriage requires those in it assume maturity, selflessness, and regard for the other which are traits not seen in our society at present. So what we really have are people who cannot rise to the standards of marriage, not that marriage is outdated or no longer necessary.
Thank you! This is what I've been saying for twenty years. The people who are eighteen to twenty-five, are less and less mentally and emotionally mature than ever before in human history. This is why marriage fails so frequently and why there are so many children in single parent homes. So thank you.
@@Andrea-zm1nl nah up to 35 or 40 not 25 lol.
Very well said and sums up an inkling I’ve had for a while. My wife and I never stop evolving to be better for each other. Marriage is about effort, responsibility, accountability, reliability, and selflessness. I’ll be the first to say I fall short in all of these regards, but I will never stop growing and becoming better. From what I see in the world today, others don’t want to do that reflection but rather be accepted however flawed and rigid they are.
Well said!
I think because of the reasons you gave marriage needs to be changed from it's current form. Something needs to be done to reemphasize the seriousness of the course of action being taken before, not after. Perhaps both parties sit down with separate lawyers and negotiate the contract with real consequences for breaking it? Do the hard-nosed real world stuff first and then get married in the eyes of God or however suits both of you. This would at least wheedle out a few bad actors and those who don't really have a clue what they are doing.
I feel the negative role of social media was overlooked as a contributing factor to young people having less desire to see romance in films. Social media has been and is a large contributor to the problems we're seeing in relationships between men and women. Our youth are well aware of this and don't want to be bombarded with another unrealistic representation that few of them will experience in their lives. They know it's fiction, yet they don't want to be slapped in the face with another unachievable expectation as they see on their social media everyday. I don't claim any expertise, yet this is the first thing that came to mind when this question was raised and I felt it was relevant to mention. The negative impacts of social media on all parts of society never fail to amaze me. Food for thought.
What does that actually feel like?!🤔
Take any social issue and it's a pretty safe bet that social media is a major contributing factor in fucking it up. Their algorithms actively promote the most toxic, hateful, idiotic comments and viewpoints and are spreading division and hate completely unchecked, and nobody in society seems to care.
I'm of the strong belief that social media is the #1 cause of the destruction of the fabric of society! The reason romance and small gestures like giving A girl flowers are now topics of resentment among the younger generations! Is t social media and dating apps have essentially turned everyone into legal stockers! Someone's profile can summarize information on them. That used to take 2-3 dates A handful of late-night phone calls to gather. That would either make you more interested or less interested in your dating interest! So now all the work of getting to know someone , the time dedicated to finding out if your compatible. Has been widdeled down to A few minutes. Essentially as corporate America would put it is that they've made dating more Efficient. What we've learned about efficiency is that yes it seems to be more productive in one sense. But quality always seems to go down, and the value of human workers being now expendable/replaceable are becoming less and less necessary! Looking at it in those terms. We've taken something that's supposed to be hard work and time dedicated to finding achieving and keeping A relationship. Has become an inefficient waste of our time! Time we should be dedicating to fattening the pockets of corporation's instead. Corporation's who created these apps and every other kind of sexually pleasurable toys etc etc... So you no longer need human to human intimate relationships. Cause they're to time consuming, and time your spending on trying to find and keep A loving relationship with someone. Is time your not spending being A cog in the in America's corporate system of consumerism. So unbeknownst to everyone these corporation's design and develop more "Efficient" I.E. less time consuming, less expensive, cost effective way for you to find your special someone! Basically dating these days is like shopping for A new pair of shoes. You don't like one pair? Well that's OK cause there's A see of millions of other shoes/women/men for the user to choose from at the swipe of A finger! Making dating this transactual thing that dehumanizes the opposite sex into replaceable products. That's why the majority of profile pictures you see on dating and social media. Are of people posing in the most revealing provocatively suggestive ways! Showing themselves in ways that aren't normal for them. Cause subconsciously everyone knows that that picture is the introduction to their profile. So if they want people to visit their profile they've gotta be sexualy alluring. Even though this picture is one of 100 others taken and photoshopped to completely manipulate your appearance. Just to beetout the profile pics on either side of yours to hopefully enhance your chances of finding love! So by making you insecure, and less confident in yourself. That your own self respect diminishes to the point that you become so desperate for someone to validate your sexuality. That you'll display yourself like meat! Hoping that that is going to be what brings you any kind of meaningful relationship. Then months later wonder why the relationship didn't work! Well it didn't work because there's no time energy and work put into building A relationship. Exploiting yourself sexually for the world to see and judge every lil character flaw. Picking apart not just your appearance but you as A person. I think we can all agree that, Every person male or female knows when someone is checking them out! Who doesn't like feeling attractive? Now consider that you don't know what kinds of people are being sexually attracted you. I know when someones looking at me because they think im pretty. I also know when someone whos looking at me is undresing me with their eyes and imagining all the pervy sick sadistic things they want to do to me! We al know that uncomfortable feeling. That feeling that makes us look for recording devices when in public restrooms! Out of fear of being violated and humiliated for somebodies sick voyeuristic pleasures! Yet we'll then post these sexualy suggestive provocative photos of ourselves in hopes of attracting anyone but A sexual deviant! The logic behind it all is fucking ridiculously unrealistic! Like Porn star's expecting to be treated like anything other than A sexual toy for other peoples pleasure! You chose your profession, now you wana wonder why your being followed home by pervs expecting you to be who you portray yourself as in your movies! Or you wonder why the other parents at your kids school never invite you to helpout with afterschool functions. No matter how conservative you dress and portray yourself to be outside of the movie set! Your always going to be seen as A sex worker and A threat to their marriages and to the sexual innocence of their children! If you want something of substance in your life. Modesty is sexier than A naked body that everyone/anybody can see. Relationships are two sided. They dont revolve entirely around you and what you think they should be. Just because you don't always agree doesn't mean it has to end in A power struggle fight with one person eventually submitting to the other in an never ending I'm right your wrong dynamic! And you can't expect that someone's going to check all your expectation boxes! Cause news flash you won't check all there's either! Intact having A checklist of people's characteristics is not only demeaning to your partner. Putting pressure on them to somehow live upto some ridiculously unrealistic standard of expectations. Instead of allowing them to just be themselves. Is only going to create for you A fake superficial relationship that's more for show than anything cause it's based on lies! Go out into the world and meet someone in person. It's literally the only way of knowing if your truly compatible. Profiles lie to make themselves seem like better candidates. But most importantly you cannot sense somebody's pheromones through an electronic device. Pheromones are biologically what relationships really boil down to. You can have all the chemistry in the world online. Talk for hours and actually develope an emotional heartfelt loving connection to someone. Be completely sexually attracted and turned on by this person. All the way up to the point of finally meeting in person. Then for reasons you can't identify be completely ad utterly turned off by them! It's not they're fault they've done nothing wrong. But you just are not attracted to their biological makeup, and really there's nothing you can do to change that. But its something that we as A species have no control over! Long story not so short ditch the apps, devices, and any other form of dehumanizing displays of yourself for others to vote on. As viable ways to find that special someone! All this technology is only driving us farther and farther apart. And creating new opportunities for corporate America to create even more products, solutions, medications, professions etc etc to supposedly help others fill that void! It's A viciously Neverending cycle of situations and solutions that only ever seem to make problems worse In the long-run or creat even more issues. So they can then create more ineffective solutions! The only common factor is that the 1% are always profiting off us! Wether we die or live and especially our happiness mean absolutely nothing to them......
If they see it on their social media everyday then clearly it is quite acheivable
@@charlespancamo9771 it would be if it were true. Social media is filled to the brim with fake people showing the best parts of their life, the highlights, which are also often manipulated to look like good things. People on social media don't show when they're down or the ugly side of their life unless they are searching for pity points.
Social media leads you to believe beauty in all "body types" (from being fat to being morbidly obese being seen as beautiful) yet they won't show you how some of the major influencers of the movement have died at a very young age because of their lifestyle.
Social media will show you girl boss queens who don't need no man, but won't show you the ones who regret buying into the lie.
It will show you trans and non binary in such a positive light, but won't show you why they came to that and what they suffer on a daily basis, as they are worshipped for being mentally ill instead of having them face reality. It won't show you all the ones regretting their transition and suffering or killing themselves over not being able to undo.
As a man, I can confirm that hints do not work on me. All of my relationships have started with the girl or her friend telling me they are interested. I have never approached a stranger in a bar either.
Oh I don't see subtlety either.
She's smiling at me, guess I'll smile back. I'm glad she's having a nice day. *leaves*
@@anthonylulham3473FACTS, I remember being in the gym with a friend and some random woman just comes up to me, looks me straight in the eyes is just completely smiling and asks me what I’m doing. I just look at her and tell her “it’s leg day” and she’s waiting for more and I go back to my work out 🤣🤣
Every relationship I had was on bar/clubs and meeting on the streets.
I don't like when girl know too much my people at the beginning. If it's go bad she can destroy my reputation. Sorry for my English I'm French.
@@anthonylulham3473 doesn't matter. because there's a good chance they are really just being only friendly. better safe than sorry
Men cold approaching women is a very new, modern practice, and a quite bizarre practice when you really think about it, IMO.
This discussion was fascinating to me. Nice to see people talking about emotional issues with a calm disposition.
I have 40 years with my wife three great kids never much money partly because went self-employed to deliberately be able to pick up and take kids to school, swimming, basketball, gymnastics, netball, days out. Best days of my life still have great relationships with wife and kids and I thank God for all of it.
If you hadn't married, but still done all of those other things, what would have been different?
@@MandragaraIf they hadn't married, they probably wouldn't have done all those things. I'm in the 5th year of my marriage and we have a 6 month old baby. Let me tell you, if we hadn't deliberately made it difficult for us to break up, we would've done it multiple times, and for really stupid reasons at that. I'm grateful to my past self for making that decision, for without it I wouldn't know the sheer euphoria of looking into my son's eyes and seeing his face turn into a wide grin. The emotional depth of my relationship with my wife also grew with each low point that we managed to get over.
If you mean if I was in a partnership instead of marriage then nothing. But a marriage in England still gives more security by law for a woman. A committed partnership in principle is no different to a marriage.@@Mandragara
This is so frustrating to me...
I don't get why people that are religious always have to thank god for everything.
My man, it's YOU that done all of this, it's YOU that brought up a nice family.
Please explain to this non believer why god has ANYTHING to do with how your life has run it's course?
Maybe you are just a good person my man..
You can't attribute that to god, because we are all created equal right?
So why are you happyly married for 40 some years, and the devorce rate is like 50%+ ?
I can go on and on with examples but i hope you get the point.
PLEASE MY MAN stop attributing everything good in your life to god, and take some fucking satisfaction out of how YOU made your life good.
That is all. lol.
I understand what your saying but my faith is in Jesus not religion and only when I found faith did I start to change from being a drug addict liar, thief etc. It really did change my life around thats why I thank God. I was an atheist and would have reacted with stronger sentiments then you, so I know where your coming from.@@frankdehaan9640
I’ve never been a fan of dating on the apps, but it’s become so prevalent. I was literally on Tinder for a week and then uninstalled the app. I didn’t like the feelings I got from it. I’m glad I was able to meet my partner organically.
Is it because you are unable to see the intention of ppl that you match/write with. As me, as a man, dating apps left me feeling invisible, so I am most likely average looking. I am however very good at making women interested in me, if I meet them in real life.
I left dating apps because even though they damaged my self-esteem and even though they wasted my time, I became a little addicted to them, they created desperation in me and that desperation attached me to them. In apps, what most women do is collect attention either from those who really want to know them or from those who want to have sex with them, sometimes the women find a guy they are very interested in there, this women think they can create reciprocated love between them through sex, it doesn't work and this women get frustrated. Outside of apps, these toxic behaviors are not so common.
If used well, dating apps are a wonderful development. Meeting people organically simply doesn't happen for most people, especially once you are passed peak dating/meeting age or are widowed/separated/divorced and perhaps are more limited in your social life through having children.
@@jayjaydubful Depending on the dating app, its almost mostly good for women in their 20s and early 30s and good looking men, at least in terms of opportunities. The data will show you that.
For women it can be hard to filter and see who is serious, so its not all sunshine and rainbows. And it can give them an urealistic idea of who their match is, when there are some of the biggest horndogs who is good looking, who is dipping in to avg looking women pool to have easy sex. Around 20% of population have this extreme sex drive, so they are on there for that.
@@jayjaydubful Many users are toxic and on the other hand I have almost no matches because I guess I don't attract attention, it does not seem that I have the option to use the app well or badly, for me it is simply a waste of my time. So I guess some people can know people on dating apps and some people don't. I know many men with an experience like mine on those apps, those apps are a waste of time for the average man, the average man hardly gets a conversation and if you do it will most likely end in ghosting. It's no one's fault, it's just that in those apps most women receive too much attention and most men are invisible, I understand that reality works like that, but it's more exaggerated there... so for the average man those apps are just as useful as having 24/7 audio telling you "You are invisible, it is not worth it for anyone to know you, you are an average man and therefore you will be just as visible as a homeless: invisible" @jayjaydubful Enjoy that you can achieve something positive with those apps, but don't say that everyone can do it because it is simply not true because many of us do not have that possibility. I understand that many people are worse in life (like homeless people) off so why complain, I will live my life as I can and of course stay away from those apps
Loved this conversation, many points resonated with observations I've made and feelings I've had over the past 20 years growing up through these times.
Just stellar content. Every episode I've watched is incredibly thought provoking at the same time it entertains. Please keep up the work Mr. Williamson.
Watching this video has been surprisingly refreshing due to the simple fact that Louise was able to state her thoughts and opinions clearly, calmly, and thoroughly when asked to go into greater detail on a specific subject. It gets so exhausting listening to people who have only a cursory knowledge of the subject they are speaking about and have to resort to inflammatory tactics when their ideas cannot bear scrutiny.
Thank you to both of you for this video.
It's refreshing, isn't it?
it's a nice hallmark of this channel in general honestly, very engaging interview style here.
And none of her opinions were questioned.
Yeah… This guy isn’t that smart. Jock “wisdom” but he certainly has marketed himself well.
What does 'inflammatory tactics' mean? I did check on google, returns med-related links ;)
She said it’s a hard choice between having men with healthy testosterone levels and men with low testosterone levels, because those with low tend to cause less crime and such. Imagine saying this about women and their fertility levels. It’s just crazy to think that our male youth is being thought of this way that as long as they’re not causing any issues, who cares what their health is.
She isnt the brightest bulb.
Women aren't known for being the brightest.
@@Cbd_7ohmmen say shit like this and then wonder why women don't respect them
testosterone = aggressiveness is a fallacy anyway.
@@lavenderbambi3501 this whole channel is dedicated to incel cope lol
You two have GREAT chemistry. Such a good interview
I love this episode, awesome conversation and such a good flow and humor. It's like you're childhood friends!
Of course they're not happy. There are not enough top tier men for legions of average single women.
When you factor in the astonishing BMIs and the amount of debt that modern women have, the average of the average is plummeting as well. That's the additional problem. There's no incentive for top tier men to tie their wagons to any of these women or for average men to strive to become top tier. Most of these women offer nothing but problems
I love the street interviews of city girls that think guys have to make a 6-figure income to date them long term … 😂 … i’m glad i don’t live in a big city and have to deal with that kind of woman
@@2muchtalk173bruh I make around 180k a year and even that’s not enough these days lmao
Hypergamy
@@rtan8780 - dang man! Sorry to hear that. I’m not quite there but yet but feel your pain! Luckily i live in rural Mi with an amazing low maintenance woman 😊👌
Women acknowledging we've gone too far and women actually actively doing something about it are two very different things. I think most women (over the age of 25ish, i.e. not a current brainwashed college kid and approaching/ past the wall) acknowledge our society has gone overboard with sex positivity, but aren't willing to shoulder the responsibilities and self control that come along with changing it. In short they demand they get to have their cake and eat it, too.
Yes. The 🧱 is an excellent teacher...
Or it just makes them bitter and they go and ruin other, younger women. I think for the millenials that'll probably be the case.@@asdfasdf-te8oc
Of course - they're FUBAR for relationships. You can't unsleep with people. For women, it's irreversible damage to their pair bond capacity. So of course they "won't take responsibility" for something that has damaged them forever.
@@chipsteve They live today. They will endure pain future. They won't take responsibility, they will feel the consequences in the future. Women do not look for good men for anything, will look for them in desperation after her 30's. Problem of this paradigm is loneliness is more painful to women than men.
The women that marry, have kids, and have a generally positive outlook on life are "doing something about it" in exactly the way that should be expected of them. As are the men that marry them, of course. It's a two way street, because men also need to take responsibility for their role in the modern dating landscape. If you want quality, be quality. Those men that aspire to decency are likely to find a similarly decent woman that's worth their time and effort. Those that don't inevitably pollute comment sections and message boards with assorted bro-science about "pair bonding" and "hypergamy" in between 15 minute sessions of hardcore porn, all the while thinking that the women of the world collectively owe them something because all that swiping on Bumble hasn't quite worked out the way that they thought it would.
Between the dusty cat ladies and the untouchable pornfiends, the solution to our dating woes necessitates far less resentment and finger pointing. It requires we take responsibility for ourselves, build ourselves up, and make an honest attempt at meeting the sort of people that we want to spend our lives with.
How refreshing to have a podcast with a depth of discussion. Well done both of you 👏🏻👍
Stunningly engaging and well informed interview, absolutely fascinating !
Thank you, Chris, for bringing back Louise Perry on your program. Of all the guests you have featured in the past, she is one of my favorites, and it is an absolute joy to hear from her again. The space where modern male/female relationships are analyzed has devolved so much into irrationality and acrimony. Its in such a contentious environment that calm and rational voices like Perry's are desperately needed. She has a rare gift of being able to deliver harsh truths, backed up by data, with elegance and grace. She is just a pleasure to listen to.
Well said 👌🏽
Agree this was an hour and a half of greatness
Ever hear the expression "strike while the iron's hot"?
I nearly scrolled past the thumbnail. I assumed it would be a clip from the previous interview. So glad I did not.
(2:08) "We do clearly have free will..."
I know a few physicists who would strongly disagree with this...
Thank you for this truly open constructive conversation. As a german (male) student this feels like someone opening a window and letting fresh air in my mind, when so many students and professors are slowly digging their own wholes with their constructs and rules for moral behavior and thinking.
Such a fascinating conversation to listen to! Will definitely listen to more of her work.
Such a wonderfully civil and intelligent conversation. A glimmer of hope in the general darkening of public discourse. Please never stop making these!
Yeah because they are not zoomers you will see how bad it is in the future
@@Krichnu Oh, come on! I've heard plenty of boomers and gen X-ers, and millennials perpetuating toxic discourse. Assigning all the blame to zoomers is exactly the kind of thinking that I mean by "the general darkening of public discourse" and what I praised Chris & Louise for _not_ taking part in.
It sounds intelligent, but anyone that has knowledge into this can see all the bs being spew. That woman, for example, is Projecting a LOT of things she believes or feels onto what other people might be thinking or believing. Things she doesn't know, things she has no data on and things she is completely incorrect. And she's supposed to be an expert.
I bet there are some videos debunking this around. I rather watch those. They might actually have data to back claims and not just biased interpretations.
@@joshanonline Dude you really are making a fool of yourself. You assume without evidence that she has no data and then you proceed to say that you "believe there is a debunking video" so that means you don't know anything about the subject since you need a debunking video that doesn't even exist.
Love, marriage, and starting a family provides such a strong purpose in life. While it is not a path everyone needs to follow, it does provide a very meaningful life for those that do.
I would say it can and usually has the propensity to but not an absolute truth. Tons of parents who do terrible jobs and tack on that fact that divorces are at 50% which means tons of children who will grow up in broken homes and experience some sort of attachment trauma. Then you have those who use starting family and children as a crutch to find purpose and discipline when it should be the other way around first then start a family.
Everyone does need to follow it *if possible.* It's not just another life choice.
@@Wong-Jack-Manthere's nothing wrong with having family as a purpose. A family is not an accessory. Most people build up themselves for the sake of having a family. Most people don't live to be wage slaves and hedonists.
Until she rips your guts out in divorce court, and that of your children. Then your strong purpose in life went down the drain.
@@TechWeLove women are only able to do so because of the discriminatory way in which the law is enforced. Plus western society is pretty anti men, anti marriage, anti children even.
These two have the greatest podcast chemistry. They are both self aware and also very intrigued with each other's perspectives. They both bounce and dare to think out loud without "having to be right". Good stuff!
She's definitely attracted to him.
@@benstandard He’s ok but he’s said some pretty dumbass things too in the past.
“Wisdom.” Hahahahha 😂
@@benstandardI’m sure she is, but what does it matter at the end of the day. Most people that find themselves in relationships can find others attractive. It’s whether you act on it that can and will complicate things. Monogamy is a battle in itself unfortunately nowadays.
She's bringing a lot of BS arguments, and he's not even picking that up.
For example, about the "status of male spaces". Men want to become fighter pilots rather than kindergarden teachers because it's cool to fly an airplane, but it's a pain to be around children. It's not because it is a "high status male job".
That was brilliant, nice flow through the conversation thx
This was a delightful and informative discussion. Thank you!
"If a woman isn't feminine, it doesn't matter how much money he makes, she'll always find a way to disrespect him."
Angry woman immediately begins with petty, completely uncalled-for disrespect.
What a joke. Protect yourself at all times, gentlemen.
narcissists and other controlling women need to dominate a man to feel secure that he will give her what she wants. Amber Heard is a good example.
In dating theory they often refer to meeting people via "warm" and "cold" approaches. Cold approach is they are a stranger (at a bar, via an app, etc.) and warm approaches are you share social circles (church, friends, etc.). Statistically, warm approaches more often lead to successful long term relationships, and this is still the case, even though fewer relationships start this way than they did in the past. This makes sense because there's already a stage of vetting. It's important your SO fits in with your social circles, shares your values etc., and typically warm approaches are selecting for these attributes at the forefront, at least at a much higher rate than cold approaches.
I cannot stop listening to her voice and her logic and they are both excellent.
What an absolute amazing podcast this was, I have learned so much from Louise Perry who comes across as very knowledgeable and neutral on this topic. Thanks!
My husband and I have been happily married for 15 years. He is now the primary breadwinner and I take care of the kids and home. We have a happy and balanced life. It’s not perfect but both of us feel satisfied. I’m a very independent person and I had a great corporate career previously but the life we’ve built together is wonderful.
👏
my wife got to be in the home with the kids. As they got to teenage years she started up piano lessons again - for a number of years and then became a piano teacher too. She's touched the lives of many children by now. There have been some amazingly inately talented students along the way.
Has been a great side business because she can throttle how many students she takes on so that she can have time for other things.
Now there are grandchildren so got to have time for that :-)
Me thinks you two took the optimal path.
How did you and your husband meet?
The only downside is costs of living are just gonna keep going up and paycheck will remain the same putting more stress on your husband and all of you causing more stress and conflicts..Todays economy doesn't allow that many stay at home moms..
@@treacherousjslither6920 through mutual friends
I loved being a mother! Best unpaid job I ever had. I also loved homeschooling. What an honor and privilege to develop the next generation of humanity!❤
To what school level will you be homeschooling
u get paid with having healthy children
amen - am husband to a wife that stayed in the home as the kids were growing up. Now there are grandkids.
People are immensely missing out if they don't have a family and then invest in their kids - as opposed to warehousing them off to govt institutions to shape who they become
Home schooling groups are amazing. I have been so impressed by the diversity and kindness I have seen (Mormons and Muslims learning math, reading, science and each others’ faith).
Did you have a hubby bringing home the bacon? Because if you did, your job as a mother wasn’t unpaid, it’s just that your pay was in the form of him putting a roof over your head, food on the table, clothes on your backs, the water and lights on, giving you kids to love and raise, and a bit of sex and romance when the occasion was right, etc. None of those things are free (no, not even sex and certainly not romance), all of them have a dollar cost, and if he was working a job to pay them, that’s how the cost of your motherly labors was being paid.
And that, contrary to the rhetoric man-hating feminists, is not a bad thing at all. It’s how most men and women naturally function.
That description of all the conflicting marriage and relationship styles was very interesting because I feel the same way. Never heard It described that way before.
I loved this conversation. nothing better than an open dialogue, no arguing, no sides. Just facts and observations
Always blows my mind how women can have a monopoly on the dating matket, set the standard of said dating market, but incapable of fixing any problem or understand why they have problems in this market. It doesn't have to be perfect but to make no attempts at fixing it at all is just crazy
Didn’t she say all teenage girls are mentally ill? 25% of US women are on head meds.
I think it's because (if I recall correctly it was mentioned toward the beginning of the video) have to most to lose, are the most at risk when making these changes in the dating market that people so desire. So realistically, women don't have a monopoly on the dating market, because 90% of the time if they make the wrong step, their lives are largely negatively impacted by it.
This is where balance comes into play. If men, who are less at risk, implement change on standards in the market, and women ride the wave of the changes that actually work, you'll see change. That's my little hypothesis on it.
@planet_mogwai9310 that goes for all markets though. Take Disney's current market for example: women, feminism and generally anti-tradional themes. Disney is also losing more money than they are producing because the original target audience that gave it money is not being catered to. You absolutely can lose a lot more of something if you have direct influence on it.
I also disagree on the idea of women having more to lose. Because what they have to sacrifice if very minor compared to what men have to sacrifice to compete in. Nevermind maintaining your place in the market, just getting in already imbalanced.
Even if there are men that have a firm place in, it's women who decide on which men stay.
@LiteDnBFnatic yeah I'd just have to disagree on that then. I'm not at all saying that women don't have a great influence. I'm saying risks in romantic pursuits are being taken by women because it is often times impacts their life. So influence or not, standards will remain the same because "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and it's not worth the downsides that come with pioneering into new territory.
Dr. Hill, the Dr. That was referenced multiple times in this video, affirms this idea. Casting aside culturally harbored threats like sexual violence and domestic homicide, women's lives are put at much more risk just from the act of sex alone. Childbearing can result in death. Women are more likely to contract STDs from sex, even if they are in the same sexual pool as men. A woman's brain and body changes upon conception. None of these risks do men face nearly as much as women, hence why they are often risk takers in other avenues.
So as I said earlier, I still think the solution is to have men set their own standards, and women follow the ones that present the least amount of risk and fosters a healthy environment.
@planet_mogwai9310 we might be arguing different points then. You're argument is sexual risk. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm arguing that before sex is even discussed, she's responsible for who she wants to be with in the first place. So if women raise the standard for men to be with them, fine, but to complain about no men being available because of the new standard is asinine. All I'm saying
When it comes to modern dating, everyone loses.
Except women.
@@joeadler5379 Nah, they just lose later on. It varies by decade:
20s: Women > men
30s: Women = men
40s+: Men >>> women
You think the guys at the top dont win lol?
Guys at the top win, as they always have throughout history. Nothing really changed except that the station in life for average man and women is much better now.
@@bro918 No, because they usually end up with the garbage women that use them for status/money. And I said MODERN dating, not dating in general. Still plenty of great relationships out there
This was a great conversation. Thanks!
Great discussion, very insightful
Not only are the topics really interesting, but they both have such a soothing voice, that it's almost like learning and meditating at the same time.
it's a quality processed signal too. gated and compressed. 👍
I just saw a facebook group called “are we dating the same guy? Portland” I feel like this says a lot about the state of the modern dating game. So glad I’m happily married!!!
When so many women think they are in the top 10% and will only date a man they consider in the top 5% that means those few men have unlimited choices so often choose to be unlimited 😅
@@o4pureh2o Seriously, most average men truly underestimate how delusional women are about their self worth. I've met 1's and 2's who no joke are chasing after guys who are 7's and 8's...
Yes, many groups with that title.
The women are catching on that 95% of men are invisible and thr elite top tier dudes are getting most of the action.
Hoe_math does great videos on this
@@o4pureh2oI come from lower income part if the country and let m tell you these cheating men around here are top tier anything in looks or income yet they still cheat if they can find two wome within 50 miles that will have them. A lot of women have probably decided that if they are going to be cheated on by a low income 4 they might as well be cheated on by a higher income 7.
"Oh that? No, no. That's, uh, my cousin...who is also named Bob Wilson. Definitely a family resemblance but that's not me. Oh, you have another pic? Yeah, uh...he, uh...he has the exact same tattoo. That's my crazy cousin. Always copying me!"
First podcast on the channel I’ve listened to and what an absolute delight! Folding the laundry has never passed so quick 😅
very nice discussion. inclined to watch more videos.
Modern women are winning but only in the immediate hedonistic sense. All the pleasure, all the fun, all the pursuit of self-gratification and chasing excitement is heavily tilted toward women. Where they lose, and it's extremely difficult to appropriately highlight the terrible losses because they're not immediate, is in the long term, over their lifetime. For biological reasons, women are handed unimaginable advantages in their youth. However, if squandered, if underappreciated, if misunderstood as to why and for how long these massive advantages exist, this results in what we're seeing with the sharp increase in the phenomena of cats and boxed wine: no family, no children, no purpose in life beyond feeling good in the moment. That only goes so far and will run out eventually.
at least they're not oppressed anymore: they get to work until their elderly years like men traditionally did. Yay!
Just wait 10-20 more years to see real socio-economic consequences for all this.
Couldn’t have said it better myself Logan. If women aren’t happy with the current dating market, tell them to cry me a river because they’re the ones that created it.
Just rapidly spending the wealth they were born with instead of investing it.
more truths but what should we do about it?
being bitter helps nothing
I never thought about it that way. If you have one woman who is of normal weight and fitness (in shape) and you have her best friend (female) who is overweight, technically both females are in competition for men. If the fit woman encourages her best friend to embrace her weight, that then pushes most men towards the woman who is in shape and eliminates her friend from taking the men in their community.
Perhaps but i think those weight body "positive" movements, exists more to placate women insecurities then anything else.
(basically cope)
I mean i never seen nothing of that in relation to men, last time i checked there wasnt male plus sized models for magazines... but there is no shortage of female plus sized models for magazines.. which are changing their tune because they lost tons of money trying to push for those body positive agendas.
Yup. Women area woman’s worst enemy. Always thought so. I choose female friends very carefully.
Why, yes, that's how it should work in THEORY. But in practice, what with Lizzo being a role model, nowadays, the "body positivity" movement actively glorifies obesity, and claims being fit and taking care of yourself is an act of hate and discrimination, because "you hate fat people so much you actively work to not look like them".
So in reality, the obese friend will just resent her fit one, for not wanting to let herself go.
@@daikatarokamegawa542 Doesn't alter the scenario of the obese friend's self-satisfaction with extra weight leading more men to seek out fit girlfriend.
Great conversation and quality.
Fabulous episode!
I avoided the clips you posted because a Louise Perry interview deserves to be viewed in its entirety and complexity.
Fantastic interview as always Chris, thanks.
Brilliant. :)
What a joy to listen to/watch.
You guys' chemistry is great.
I think.. you having Louise more frequently...in some sort of 'series' would be really really good for all parts.
Thanks so much for this,
Kudos
The very, very best podkast!❤
This was one of the most insightful podcasts ive seen
As a person who works dept of corrections, most of the people in prison come from single parent families. ITs very telling
and?
@@joannetilly4586 i said it... most of the people in prison are form single oarent families. mostly women. So therefore single parent families are an issue. I didint think it was a tough to correlate
That's more a correlation to poverty. Wealthier single parent homes or lesbian couples both raise well adapted children in terms off college educated and successful on average or above average.
@@daketh4572 you have to takie into account more and have more data to get that conclusion - that this is the only reason. But it's not - especially if we are talking USA.
@@sonderexpeditions Wrong, poor families with both parents in the household, or a poor single father household have both the same success rate when it comes to raising children with good outcomes. It is only the single mother household that is linked to all the negative outcomes for children in society.
These conversations are just on another level. Well done!
wonderful interview thank you
Bravo! ...for both of them knowing & repeating the essential message of 1 towering intellect, Thomas Sowell
*There are no true solutions, only trade-offs"
1:04:58 As a man who chronically assumes women aren't interested in me, it's disheartening to hear I've actually been overestimating their interest this whole time.
😂😂
We're in this boat together buddy. And I actually believed when a few have said they thought I was cute or charming. Its all just niceties to avoid hurting feelings, doing us a disservice more than anything else.
Amen brudda 🫡🤧🥂
I've been taking notes like mad while listening to this conversation. You are both great at breaking down these cultural and societal problems. Thank you for this content.
Excellent episode - one of the best I have watched from Chris.
Enjoyed the discussion around chaos and societal acceptance from 1:21:00 and onwards. Adam Curtis tackles this issue in his documentary Hypernormalisation. "Chaos" is much more prevalent than many people would like to accept, hence ludicrous conspiracy theories and the "It's God's will" or "the devil is responsible" thinking being so prevalent in society today. We should be more accepting of the fact that we are in an unimaginably huge and complex world (and universe) and some things just happen with no explanation or greater director/actor at play.
good coolaide!
I feel that it is entirely up to the individual on what sort of life they want to lead when it comes to children. Some women would adore and thrive in a house wife/stay at home mom settings, some would not. I know a lot of women who would hate having kids. Their personalities aren't set up for them. They don't even want to be around kids of their friends.
I enjoyed the conversation a lot. I just find it frustrating when someone seems to think one size fits all when it comes to social constructs.
Love this comment ❤
Civilizations die when people don't reproduce. There needs to be a structure. She is right.
Ok so as ridiculous as it is for someone to disagree with this. I actually kind of disagree with this. I would like to ask you to take what im about to say as what its worth to you personally, and not as though I think its entirely true.
So I think that there is alot of women who overhype how terrifying having kids really is, and undersell how fulfilling they can be. Ontop of that changing how some women view having kids, biologically, ALL WOMEN are desgined to desire having children, and we havent had enough modern time to evolve out of that yet (all though the pill has changed that somewhat). I think people look at having kids like its a responsibility and they rebel against feeling like something so terrifying is their responsibility. Especially when they culture of the west is to say that there is a solid chance they will have to raise those children alone.
However, Imagine if some rich hot guy came up to alot of these girls and promised them financial, emotional, and physical saftey in return for having their children. Alot of these same girls would be much more open to that.
So in my opinion I dont think its an issue of having kids not being for everyone. I think its for everyone (I actually believe almost everyone would enjoy kids, but im not saying thats true, that just what I believe) its just that the circumstances that most women are in are not "safe" enough to have kids, and therefore something biological tells them they dont want kids.
Obviously that is a dramatically un-nuanced take but it gets my point across.
I think anyone could enjoy kids in the right circumstances.
500 men can tell a woman exactly the same story on why they're not marrying. And 500 times that woman will cry, "That's not true!"
How dare you! 😆
500 women can say they want to be child free to live a full life and 500 times the men will scream- “you’re selfish”.
@@PlayfulJoyful You misspelled "other women".
@@PlayfulJoyfulNope, we won't. The vast majority of dudes will not call you selfish. But they will warn you of how lonely you will be sitting in that nursing home with no kids to visit you. Oh I forgot, that's "misogyny" 😂. Nevermind, keep making those mistakes and wondering why you're unhappy!
@@PlayfulJoyful And 500 times when she hits the wall at 35 she will cry: "Where are all good men gone?"
A few years ago, in my local library I browsed a book written by a woman, for women, to advise them on how to navigate then (then) primarily male world of business. One section told women that it was not appropriate to wear, at the office, skirts that are too short, dresses that are too low-cut, or sweaters that are too tight, because the inspire insane animal urges in men, not conducive to getting work done. It noted that 75% (!!) of women did not understand this. They thought such clothes were simply fashionable. This sort of thing, and the business of a woman not understanding when an awkward guy is interested in her, makes me wonder of the idea of superior emotional intelligence of women needs to severely qualified.
THanks for an, as usual, excellent discussion.
This is so cool, she seems so smart and well spoken and I'm learning a lot!
But your ad breaks are always so jarring, I always feel like I'm being screamed at and have to skip haha
Great interview, i have to come back and listen to the wholw episode again👏
Rarely do I listen to long discussions - but this one maintained my interest throughout. Two fine, intelligent minds in conversation
This is now in my "Saved Forever" list. Such an excellent discussion chalk full of the hard truths some people refuse to even consider.
fantastic interview! thanks..
This is so informative.
Brilliant episode, very informative and raised some very key points and issues. A lot to take on board and use thanks 🙏
Yes! I've been patiently waiting for this!
wow Louise was so well spoke this conversation was great
I love this woman - She is so real, normal and insightful
If women aren’t happy with the current dating market, tell them to cry me a river because they’re the ones that created it.
They can't cry you a river because all the drugs + plus the pill has made it extremely hard for them to cry. Their hormones are that out of wack. But they can piss, brown purple due to big pharma. would you access that?
Why cry when they can just keep taking those antidepressants?
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@@iamkAIden yup I believe they say 1 in 3 are on them which is such a disturbing number.
@@9770G Yes true - now look at white women over 40 years old. 😮
I really enjoyed this conversation. Lots of great insights on both sides. I must get Louise's book!
Very interesting interview and arguments!
A measured, informed, rational discussion of many hot topics, hopefully, with many more to follow. Acknowledging that "the other side" can have credible arguments is crucial. I find that they are often dismissed for fear of undermining one's own position. It takes a lot to develop a position that integrates opposing arguments while preserving the main idea.
These always end with me feeling a lot smarter & ready to contribute in any conversation. your conversations have also opened my mind about so much. Thank You. (Side, pls straighten the x2 wall frames 😊)
Properly hung frames tilt put at the top to aboid looking at your own reflection. I think that might be what you are seeing.
Wonderful, intelligent and insightful discussion, love it!
I think I have learned more from this video revolving around this particular topic than from anything I have seen before