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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- ARTUR BETERBIEV MADE HISTORY AS UNDISPUTED LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP BUT LOTS OF FALLOUT ABOUT THE JUDGE'S SCORECARDS.
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Bivol gave up all of the championship rounds. It was a close fight but you can’t afford not to finish strong
I agree with Tim Bradley, The judges were very consistent and Beterbiev won the championship rounds putting that presure on Bivol.
On score cards there are no "championship" rounds. LMAO
Rnd 1 scores the same as 12. Or is at least supposed too.
@@rockymntdan1that doesn’t even make sense
@@rockymntdan1one judge had bivol up 6-4 if he won both it would have been as wide as his fans would like. Why are yall ignoring the most critical rounds? I had bivol winning easily the first 3 rounds and the 6th and the 10th. He gave away the championship rounds which would’ve WON him the fight even in the cards not just in your head
That’s a lie!
It shouldnt matter if you win 3 early rounds or 3 championship rounds. Every round needs to be scored seperately, with no bonus points for championship rounds. If you score badly though and try to keep the scorecard even, then that mistake can happen and the wrong person gets the nod, like happened here. It should have been a draw imho.
Bivol is an easier fight for Beterbiev than Benavidez? What are you guys smoking man. Benavidez would get KOed by Beterbiev and soundly outboxed by Bivol. He's only 'the bogeyman' at 168 because he's huge for the weight. He's not that guy.
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I agree. Benavidez gets beat by Bivol and Beterbiev.
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❤❤..Correct is right!!!
Benavidez gets stopped by a 39/40 year old Beterbiev! Benavidez style is Taylor made for Beterbiev.
Fools assure,wiseman doubts.
Benavidez by KO
I would argue the opposite
@@MrWelizfactZ
Are u stupid Arthur loves to come forward Benavides alwayz moves everyone on there back foot
Its not robbery. I like the argument of Timothy Bradley. Beterbiev activity, especially in the last 3 rounds, mattered and gave him the fight. The judges agreeing on 34 out of 36 rounds shows the unity. A rematch should be in order. Close fights are not robberies.
Not sure about the 36 rounds nonsense, there were only 12 rounds. But Tim was right about everything else. Beterbiev won. His punches were destroying Bivol, making him run. He didn't run like this in his previous fights. He was actually running for his life here, especially in the 12th.
@@DL_2025_Bhe's talking bout the 36 rounds between all 3 judges .. come on now
@@elimendoza820 They're scoring the same 12 rounds mate, there's no 36 rounds... Come on now... Are you also one of these guys who says "We have 10 trainers with 20 years each so we have been training for 200 years" ? lol
@@DL_2025_B ur slow dude obviously 😂 stop watching boxing if u don't understand what he was saying
@@elimendoza820 i'll take that as a yes then. and 2 people working for 20 years means 40 years in the business to you? what a wally
Bang on Tim! He is the only one here making the most valid points.
Paulie and algieri are absolute morons. I'm not a big Tim Bradley fan, but I totally agree with him here. Algieri made Paulie seem somewhat reasonable, which is crazy. And that's not just bc he said he gave beterbiev 3 rounds, but just everything he said. Go figure Bradley is the smartest fighter out of the 3 in the ring by miles.
Even Teddy Atlas gave 115-113 for Beterbiev and he predicted Bivol and Tim Bradley predicted Bivol.
The 2 other guys are bias...
They were eating pizza while watching the fight.
@@Alex-bd4ovlmfao
Teddy doesn't look very healthy lately and even he said that scored two previous swing rounds he had for Beterbiev after the fight ended, Timmy works for Top rank and is friend with the judge who is under fire,80% of the neutrals had Bivol, the reaction of the corners tells the story of the fight also, my brother a huge Beterbiev fan congratulated me when the fight ended we had a bet he was sure he was gonna pay me after the announcement we where both shocked and then he was reaching his hand for money laughing .I don't know anyone who scored the rounds 3&5 for Beterbiev except for this professional judges , they were clear Bivol rounds, rounds 4,7&12 could have gone eather way but still if you give all of them to Beterbiev who clearly won only the 6,10&11 . thats 6 rounds at the very best,after 3 times watching it I had it 116-113 Bivol
You can’t really argue with their opinion or with people opinion that bivol won. They were swing rounds that could’ve gone either way depending on what you were judging it on. That’s why there will hopefully be a rematch to settle this and rematch.
@@Alex-bd4ovyeah maybe a bit too relaxed and Bivol bias , and I Love Paulie & Chris , Teddy Atlas so knowledgeable
I watched the fight. I’m a Bivol guy but Beterbiev did enough to win the fight.
Damn Draw
Eddie is sly, he loudly calls for doom when his plan to set up Canelo vs. Bivol 2 failed which was the real goal.
Agree with tim for once. Bivol had moments he boxed beautifully but was bashed around the ring helplessly in many others. His salvos mostly just seemed to piss artur off and then he paid for it.
Agree with Bradley 100%, Paulie and Chris sound a bit salty for me.
Yep seems like they don't like beterbiv for what ever reason but I agreed with tim as well
@@mikerodriguez7570 They are biased stylistically to Bivol
Damn .. I can’t believe i agree with Tim lol
Competitive fight .. but to me there were clear periods of time that Bivol was hurt / tired and not throwing anything. Just moved his legs and defended.. and Close fight heading into the championship rounds and Bivol faded .. either draw or beterbiev won .. all three judges gave beterbiev the championship rounds .. and they scored 10 out of 12 the same way.. the right guy won
What? Clearly there were times in that fight where Bivol, got hurt. There were times when the crowd and commentators thought that he might be on the verg of getting knocked out.
The night of the fight Chris and Paulie was yelling robbery and now they trying to double back and say we can’t use the R word. These guys are a frickin joke‼️‼️‼️
wanna keep the job 😂 but boxing it's emotions guys. but they themselves were pure boxers.
Exactly. Fight night = robbery. Now = no one is saying “r” word 😂😂
Haha yea first thing they said was “ I can’t believe they robbed BIVOL” just because that’s not how they called it its robbery.
Maybe they watched again and had a change of mind.
paulie said he won because muslim thats crazy work
Tim is the only 1 not judging this outcome based off emotions. Pauly & Chris are cheering for Bivol because he's a pure boxer like they were.
Teddy too
Exactly
Exactly, they're both saying that Bivol won the 12th even tho Bivol was just throwing flurries trying to keep Artur away lol. BTW, he wasn't landing anything clean with the flurries. So Beterbiev was the ring general, plus he was landing the clean, effective punches, but I'm supposed to give the round to Bivol? 😂
Why cause they don’t have the same opinion as you?
@@ChampChamp2024 where did I say they should share my opinion?!?! I thought the fight could have gone either way or a draw was fine too....if you listen to Pauly & Chris they are making it sound like it was a clear victory for Bivol and Beterbiev did nothing but punch air & gloves all night. Only reason Tim brought up Bivols face being marked up is because they were talking like he wasn't landing anything!
Weren’t Pauli and Chris just crying Saturday saying it was a robbery ?? And now all of a sudden “ the R word doesn’t belong in this fight” straight clowns
Absolute FACTS! Matter of fact, Paulie said cuz it was in a Muslim country, the judges were biased (implying they were paid off) & that fighters may not want to fight in Muslim countries in anymore.
Meanwhile the *"Muslim"* guy in charge, Turkey Alalshikh, scored it for Bivol. Paulie & Chris clowned themselves!
I heard them clowns straight up say robbery on fight night. Now they wanna act like they never said it.
Yeap. They were crying
No they weren't and you know they weren't. So why are lying on them?
@@The_RealWilliam they literally had a live stream for the fight dunnny 😂
Both Paulie and Chris cried “robbery” in their ProBox live stream commentary.
I guess they are taking it back 😂😂
It was
Waps
Clowns. Losing respect for these jokers.
Bro what they are pros u been in a ring before ! They had a drink and said it as it was ! Our mates agreed on robbery as well .... power jabs don't count .... look at the numbers ! Beterbiev had spurts 30 secs ohhh the round is yours ! Hits back of the head as well !
I scored it for Beterbiev 115-113. It's really easy to actually make it a 116-112 with rounds that are so hard to make a pick. No robbery here at all. Tim and Teddy have it right. Beterbiev won by being more active for more of the rounds, and forcing Bivol to be inactive for long periods. I think Canelo would have called for a rematch with Bicol, if Bivol had won.
The four boxing criteria for judging fights are: Clean effective punching, Affective Aggression, Ring Generalship and Defense. Bivol lost in 3 of the 4 categories more often than not. Btw, defense isn't moving away and avoiding contact which is what Bivol did in the championship rounds. So in the championship rounds, he lost in all 4 criteria points when he covered up and went into survival mode
*Effective aggression, which Beterbiev's aggression wasn't since he was mostly missing and running after Bivol. The stats for punches thrown attest to that, and Ring Generalship is what Bivol was displaying, making Beterbiev run after him and countering as SRL and Muhammad Ali would, not the other way round. Bivol obviously had the better defense and you can check the stats for punches landed too.
Also, need I mention that Bivol had the cleaner punches? Beterbiev himself couldn't help but mention that he didn't have a good performance and Bivol was the better boxer on that night, his words not mine.
Just because it wasn't a "highway robbery" doesn't mean that it wasn't a bad decision.
Yes Paulie is calling survival mode just Bivol moving like he does in all his fights.
Bivol was the one landing the clean, effective punches all night. The only one of those criteria Beterbiev was superior in was aggression.
@@dnn86exactly
Exactly , I think this fight was lost in the last 3 rounds , before that it was so so tight , Beterbiev Bossed those last 3 💯
I don’t want to hear anyone call it a robbery. If you scored the fight 115-113 for Bivol then it’s understandable for someone to score it 115-113 for Beterbiev
No bivol won defence was negated bevs power
People who throw around the word robbery should be banned from watching boxing as they just don't get that judging is not objective therefore cannot be "wrong"
It was correct... 115 - 113 in Bivol's favour
@Arab,marco Antonio Barrera,and Juan Manuel Marquez had Bivol for the win at 115-113
The only thing controversial about this fight was the 116 112 scorecard but beterbiev clearly edged it 115 113
Did you not just listen to what Timothy Bradley said 🤦♂️116-112 is literally just a 1 round difference from a 115-113 scorecard ! Do people who keep repeating this not understand how scoring works ??
@@ebhs0089 The best card was the draw card. That was best case scenario for Beterbiev. He didn't win. He maybe did enough to match Bivol even.
1 extra round is not controversial. Especially when so many rounds were close
@@dyshawnshine3644 Beterbiev won relatively easy bro
@@dyshawnshine3644bruh bradley called it. Watch the fight no commentary and no expectation of a ko and you will see artur was dictating everything.
Also, Paulie said Beterbiev was not going to the body. And while I wish Beterbiev went to the body more often, he was definitely going to the body. There's literally a video trending on twitter/x that showed all of Beterbiev's body work. I mean, why do yall think Bivol slowed in the second half.But of course, Paulie and Chris like the work of the pure boxer lol.
Pure boxer equals non puncher , that's why Beterbiev was able to walk him down.
Bivol did alot of moving thats why. Neither did nearly enough body work.
Yeah, it is difficult to work the body on a moving target, but I also think Beterbiev missed some opportunities to hit the body instead of going up top.
@@letmeace__9612 he missed many honestly. so many times bivol was open to the body, i think artur just wanted to knock him out, in the rematch he needs way more bodywork for an easy fight
Not just that but Beterbiev hurt him to the body
Bivol gave an inspired performance for sure - he is a great guy, who overcame the odds. Watching the fight live I thought he may have edged it. But I rewatched the fight the next day in a calm environment and thought that Btr won by 2 rounds. The reason Bivol lost are: 1. the moments when he was sliding along the ropes with Btr chasing him. Bivol was not responding, just holding tight defense. This made it look like he was hurt. But I get it, he didn't want to be forced into an exchange and get knocked out. Damed if you do, damed you don't type of a story. 2. His punches had no affect on Btr, just seemingly made him more angry. Makes me think he will loose the rematch. Although Btr looks a lot calmer in the ring than when he was younger. A bit too chill. He may get outworked.
i also had artur winning by 2 rounds. i dont see why people are outrage over the 116-112 scorecard. its how i had it. bivol threw a lot of flurries that got mostly blocked. hed also do nothing for an entire round then throw a quick combo at the end that would mostly get blocked and the commentators would give him the round. thats not how scoring works
@Drplans,why did beterbiev corner tell him he needed a knockout? They knew they were losing!
@@spaniardmartinez6896 the coach literally said he only said that to light a fire under artur to guarantee that he won the last 3 rounds in order to secure the victory. dont be so dense, boy.
@@spaniardmartinez6896 to inspire him to push forward?
That’s not how a boxing fight is scored.
Tim Bradley. King of “Watch the fight with the sound off”.
He claimed that he won the trilogy fight with Pacquiao😅
@@APEXCARNIVOREYh he had to
@@APEXCARNIVOREhe definitely won that first fight
@@blacksector4034Round by round, Bradley won at least 2 rounds. Pacquiao outlanded him 253 to 159 punches.
Exactly 💯 same
This was a great fight! I watched it twice. I was leaning toward Bivol because his superb boxing skills and great leg movement. I scored the fight 7-5 for Beterbiev. My conclusion is as great as Bivol is he lacks POWER! When he often landed it didn't really phase Beterviev, but when he landed on Bivol it changed his approach big time. Bivol really needed to win one of the last 3 rounds, he couldn't. My observation.
100% right.
The problem is everytime bivol got hit to his guard it sent him flying back into the ropes and the judges don’t see the same angle as the cameras and don’t see compubox so when you get knocked back like that to a judge it looks like it landed on you
good eyes my man
because it did land. Don't you think it even is more impressive if you can do it through a guard? Judges know that. So the only way to stop Artur from bombing you all night is to hit back and gain his respect. Bivol didn't do it.
Just because your hands are up does not mean you blocked the shots effectiveness. If you can’t defuse the shot and are constantly being knocked back it means you are still being effected by it which is why someone would give you points for it
@@HeyyyJudeyou are just making scores up lol this is like using a mouse trap to scare a mouse rather than actually catching it... So crazy
Compubox is just a bunch of guys too. There's no difference
Beterbiev won 7-5 fair and square, stop saying “controversial” just cause your boy lost.
Smdh
Yea Paulie is tripping. From 4 on Beterbiev was whooping bro. Bivol fought a great fight to survive Beterbiev fought to win. He hurt him an easy 4 times. Bivol fought in spurts to keep Beterbiev off him. He got away from the jab because it was countered. I was super surprised by Bivol my concern going in was how he would react after he got hurt and he let them things go. Dudes got a lot of heart.
I noticed Beterbievs footwork was a touch off and his right a bit off with the accuracy. I believe if Beterbiev has another 6 months to heal for a rematch this fight is a land slide. That’s if at 40 Beterbiev recovers correct which I believe he will.
People calling Arthur a weight bully are crazy man. Art doesn’t look big for light heavyweight. Bivol actually looked bigger and fitter until the 4th round and and then looked deflated.
Jai is a cruiser weight and bro is massive. Look at Usky vs Beterbievs last fight. Usky was a cruiser weight and he looks huge next to Beterbiev in the ames.
I scored the fight 116-112 the first watch so 😂 I can’t say I disagreed with the judges 😂 I’ve watched 3 times and rounds over and all 🤷🏽♂️ I still say best you can do is 7-5 for Beterbiev
Bivol's purple face told me who won in my useless opinion.
bivol vs peds
if bivol hit beterviev the way beterbiev hit, he would be tkod no question
@@Xboxlove1 are you saying if Beterviev uses PED's Bivol does not? I have no way to no for sure either and am never surprised when anyone is on them because all modern athletes are messing with that.
The rematch will cause Beterbiev to knock out Bivol. He now knows that he can take Bivol's punches while Bivol cannot take Beterbiev's punches.
Agreed..artur will be more well prepared for the rematch . He already tasted bivol punches which didnt hurt him much..artur will be more aggresive & all out for ko from rd 1
In my humble opinion, I think he would have dropped Bivol if he went for the body more. Don't understand why he didn't. Bivol had his arms up all the time. I understand you don't want the counter. But he could have at least slipped in some body shots. Maybe he'll do it in a rematch.
Love this post-mortem stuff. Bivol defended so well, that he failed to look like a fighter.
this is kind of a telling point ..if it's true.
Bradly you wrong Artur hits like hell, no 1 ko in all boxing and you wanted Bivol to stand whole time in front of him come on even Usyk ran from him. Bivol won all the extenges and went to distance give him recognison
Beterbiev would KO Usyk, and Bivol would outbox Usyk if they fight today.
@@rustygear447😂
Sheesh Paulie's ego is something else. While watching it live, he stated "robbery". Now he is not saying robbery but still saying Bivol won. Bradley nailed it! 115-113 Artur or a draw. I think Paulie should of watched the fight multiple time before coming on this show. like Teddy said, you can NOT win a close fight NOT winning the championship rounds, especially against a pressure fighter. Beterbeiv won this rounds!
Bivol outboxed Beterbiev but Beterbiev inflicted more damage. Bivol landed the flashier looking shots but Beterbiev threw the more effective shots - even when they were partially blocked they did damage. Throughout the enter fight, Bivol looked less comfortable of the two. I personally thought Bivol won by one round, but there were a couple rounds that I was on the fence on and could have easily scored the other way.
I think you nailed this. Broke it down beautifully. Bivol was overall the better boxer. This is a rare case where It kinda just didn’t matter 🤷🏿♂️
They should called a draw ..I’m rewatch it but had bivol winning this fight
Tim used pure logic this time around and i 100% agree.I didnt care who won the fight.I also watched the fight from the onset without any volume and then a second time as well.No one will tell me that Bivol won.People are emotional and not being objective.This was not a robbery at all.People only comment on the 116-112 but forget the 115-113 card.This was a majority decision and even the judge who had it a draw couldn't choose a winner but 2 other judges clearly saw what we all saw.Tim is on point and very accurate.Leave your emotions at the door.10 rounds they all agreed on and only 1 or 2 rounds made the difference.
Tim is correct this time!
Bradley thinks he beat pacman lol I like bradley but you cant always take his word either.
8:50 the difference was Bivol would back pedal in response to any advances or punches by Artur, while artur held firm and exchanged
Bradley is the only one being fair and impartial.
10:10 Watch round 7 again, when they went toe-to-toe, Bivol only threw two punches after that exchange - my man was hurt
Tim Bradley on point ☝️💯
Tim Bradley has the best takes on this particular issue
Bivol is lucky artur has gotten older with injuries. Very lucky.
Look at artur 4 or 5 years ago, he moved way better.
A prime artur vs prime bivol would end in a KO with bivol layed out on canvas 👊
Bro Bivol is a tank as well there’s a reason he didn’t knock him out. They are both animals cut from the same cloth
Bradley is spot on… his argument/ assessment of the judges scorecards shut down Paulie and Chris even though they tried to argue against it. Chris saying to Bradley I didn’t say it was a robbery but, only moments before said he only gave 3 clear rounds to Beterbiev. Great job on this Tim. I liked your intense and firm presentation 🥊🥊🥊
The face argument shows Bradley's intelligence. No wonder he and Teddy worked well together.
its rare but ... I fully agree with TimBo - not Paulie - Paulie is NOT on point here - sure Paulie - MUST have been ALL those LOVE taps that bruised Bivol's face - WAKEUP AND SMELL THE CAPPUCCINO PAULIE - Bivol NEVER hurt Beterbiev - as a judge when one guy punches and the other guy winces and runs you score that MORE than when the other guy gets a clean shot and the guy getting hit does not flinch - power + impact + response matter to judges - hey score heavy hits MORE than clean + weak shots - why ? - because one is doing damage and the other is just for show - ask yourself Paulie - what will the NEXT fight outcome be ? - who can do MORE ? - Bivol did ALL he could and it was not enough - Beterbiev was subpar - likely due to the knee and YES Bivol's boxing skills were a problem - but heal that knee and you might see a KO next fight - that is wholly realisable - at most you might see a split decision for Bivol but that seems unlikely - PAULIE AND CHRIS ARE WANKERS HERE - Tim * gasp * *gulp * is RIGHT
No Robbery! Teddy Atlas, Connor Benn, and Breadman all had Beterbiev winning the fight and so did I. Beterbiev won fair and square. And honestly, Beterbiev should retire on on top. He is 39 and is the undisputed undefeated champion. He has nothing else to prove. He needs to just sail into the sunset.
On FIGHT HUB TV INTERVIEW EVEN BIVOL HIMSELF AGREED HE LOST THREE ROUNDS
TIMOTHY GOT HIT IN THE HEAD BY PROVONIKOV TOO MANY TIMES KUZ BIVOL CLEARLY WON THAT FIGHT PERIOD‼️‼️‼️ EVEN BETERBIEV CORNER TOLD HIM HE NEEDED A KNOCKOUT TO WIN ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Everyone is ignoring that fact. But I knew Bivol’s inactivity in the championship rounds costed him the fight. It sucks but that’s on Bivol and his corner.
they didn't say it. They said - you have to knock him down. (they always say it, every time)
lmao
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So the BBC is saying that defending is not boxing 😂😂😂
Paulie smoking something 😂
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116-112 is a joke. That's like saying Bivol won 4 rounds!!! Insane. Ref should NEVER work in boxing again.
Both Paulie and Chris are saying that Bivol won the 12th even though Bivol was just throwing flurries trying to keep Artur away lol. BTW, he wasn't landing anything clean with the flurries. So Beterbiev was the ring general, plus he was landing the clean, effective punches, but I'm supposed to give the round to Bivol? 😂
You blind Bivol landed more and cleaner on the 12th
There is no robbery guys? Arturo Béterbiev! He is the winner is the same fight when Bivol! Face Canelo who win the fight???
It was a Tense ‘Bull Vs Matador’ fight 😮 (Obviously not a Slugfest)
Dmitry Bivol to his Credit never got Rattled, stunned by Beterbiev who I think has Physical Strength and Power of a Heavyweight 💥
I’m Guessing Dmitry has alot more Confidence on a Rematch with Artur Beterbiev knowing that he can take his Best punches!
He won the 12th round Tim I was going to for Bivol but I scored it a draw I had it 5-5 after 10 gave 11to betterbiev and 12 to Bivol and I’m a bivol fan even tho Crawford my favorite fighter #CrawfordEra
I totally agree with Paulie. I believe Bivol won that fight. Another masterclass performance...
I agree with Tim Bradley for once lol and same with teddy atlas ..teddy is spot on and that’s also how I had it 7-5 beterbiev
I agree with Pauli. If you’re a judge, you gotta just watch the fight. No pressure and no predictions. Still think Beterbeiv edged it though.
🤡 Paulie and Chris were chatting about eating pizza, casually watching that fight.
From one angle, not multiple ones like on TV.
Bivol won the fight no doubt and he lost the 11th round for sure but he won round twelve to me . Clean punches matters more than strong punches blocked 🤷🏾♂️ beterbiev put pressure ans had his moment but most of the fight bivol was in control with his movement,his high guard defense and he landed more clean punches,... The pressure thing give a false impression on who winning the fight 😏
Judges should know boxing is more about putting pressure and throw strong punches, it's a casual way to judge a fight 😏
Trying to put together a highlight reel of Artur for his "win" against Bivol is gonna be a tough task. Most of highlights after most of the rounds was Artur catching flush punches to his face!
Paulie prefers the boxer , Tim prerfers the agressor.....thats a surprise 😂. I had Bivol by 1 but too many rounds were razor close to cry robbery. Just a great fight rhat needs to happen again.
Bradley supporting the decision Beterbiev is a Top Rank champ
All you Bivol fans .... can't take reality, Beterbiev won the fight fair and squared
How did Bivol win the 12th round when he didn't land any clean punches lol. Beterbiev was the ring general that round, and he landed all the hard punches. Round 3 that Paulie is automatically giving to Bivol for some reason was a closer round...
He did land and a clean counter to the face and body shot, yall blind and slow
Bivol definitely got round 3 and 4 lol
I also had it even after the 4th and I was rooting for Bivol. My scorecard was identical to Powell's and I like both fighters and have no dog in the fight. Just wanted to see a good fight. Ultimately its on Bivol for letting AB close the show.
The fact that everyone saw it differently definitely points to a rematch 🥊🥊
Also shows how subjective the judging process is when you can have so many fighters, trainers and champions with differing opinions of the same fight.
Pauline good points on Bivol running, I would agree with you. And Tim I’m glad you rechecked yourself. 115/113 for Beterbiev is the way I saw it also. Close? For sure Rematch OK, but the question is what do I value in determining a winning activity from a boxer and then from a fighter.
men Benavidez is nothing compared to this guys are we seriously talking about him????
he beats both of dem
They need to kick Bradley off of that show. He’s always been biased.
Shut up and get out ur feelings he spit nothing but facts in this video
Paulie probably thinks Canelo ducked him when he was boxing...😅😮😂
This is one of those topics where you don't need a time constraint because you're on RUclips, not TV. I'd happily watch an hour or two of them dissecting each other's arguments on who won.
On that point, consistent scoring from three judges doesn't mean it's infallible. That just means that they managed to get three judges that prefer brute, aggressive pressure than smart, technical flurries and footwork.
Exactly
Agreed. But it also shows it was a consistent application from all 3 rather than this unfathomable robbery people are saying the 8-4 card was
Bivol did way better against Beterviev, than Mayweather did against Maidana in their first fight. But Floyd always get the benefit of the doubt.
Paulie made a good point that a lot of people miss, the majority of Beterbievs thrown punches were touching probing "punches". Thats why when you look at the deepstrike punch stats Bivol MORE THAN DOUBLED Beterbiev on landed High Impact strikes with 50 to 23.
Bivol won on accuracy 11 rounds to 1
Pressure and peppering punches should not be scored as effective offense, or just points in general. By that same argument, Sean should have gotten the node over Errol Spence, and Shakur lost half his fights. Mayweather too. What did Beterbiev do good offensively that was noticeably effective and worthy of points or on the fight itself/Bivol's strategy?! Nothing!
Biv got a harsh lesson about pro boxing: fight to win every minute of every round + the final rounds are the most important rounds. His amateur boxing mindset of points then disengage and chill wasn’t enough to convince the judges. I had it Biv 7-5 but his corner and strategy did him no favors at the end. Biv came into the fight basing his strategy off what Sugar Ray Leonard did VS Hagler. You don’t adopt a strategy from a decision that could have gone either way lol
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beterbiev is old but he had a better cardio than bivol.... and throwing 200+ more punches
But Bivol landed more 🧐
@@laloese253 5 more punches i believe. That's not a compelling argument
@@laloese253barely
Better cardio? What fight did you watch? Bivol was the one landing way more combinations shots as to beterbiev chasing that one good hit through the night
@@laloese253 basis on compubox and JBBR beterbiev landed more punches 7 rounds on 12...
1. Artur Beterbiev won fair and square 115-113!
For the Bivol fans, men lie, woman lie, guess what numbers don’t lie!!
2.Artur has the right to decide who he wants to fight next and the fans have great influence in making that decision.
3. 115-113 for Artur Beterbiev deal with it or let it alone.
Like Meyer Lansky use to say; it’s never personal, it’s always business!!!😉🥊
Bivol won on accuracy 11 rounds to 1. But that's only one measurement and Beterbiev kept coming forward aggressively
@@PhilipHaseldine on accuracy are you sure??
What about the rest??
what about when Bivol gassed out in one of the later rounds
Beterbiev had Smith hurt with those Pittypat punches that Paulie was talking about 😂
Tim is capping 😂😂
He’s right for once actually.
@@Kingleo_1000 All of the judges agreeing does not make their decision right by default, that's bull 👎. I will say that it could've been 7-5 either way. Was a very close fight..
Bradley will not do this in ESPN lol 💯🥊
I dont agree with some of these people. Bivol won completely. Most people dont know what real boxing is. It is to hit and not be hit. Bivol hit him clean much more than artur hit him. A lot of you guys are just loyal to your favorite fighter and cant watch the fight and judge it without bias.
It’s so funny how Bradley will say what ever his boss tells him to say in his platform and go somewhere else and contradict him self 🤦🏽♂️ slave to his work 🤷🏽♂️ I’m to but at least I’m honest about it 👍🏽
Paulie is always shouting but he also talks the most sense
Shouting is a huge sign of insecurity and immaturity, but be a paulie fan loser
Wow you must be dumb as dirt
No he doesn’t if u believe him u as delusional as him
You forgot the non in front of the sence.
@@ivanh9569😂😂 I agree with Pauline about 70% of the time. Not here tho 😂😂
Bradley and Pauly is bad for boxing!
Bold of yall to assume the rematch will be for all 4 belts. The IBF is rubbing their hands waiting to ruin those plans. Not to mention the WBC mando is looming too.
WBC isn't calling for a mandatory lmao especially if Saudi pays em off
Then let "Michael Eifert" have the IBF belt and Bivol will knock him out in 3 rounds for undisputed
@@shinnokcentaur7551WBC let Adonis Stevenson not fight a mandatory for 5 fucking years
Highway robbery. Beterbiev boxed Bivol’s guard all night.
Even after the fight Bivol looked hurt.
Bradley hasnt been the same since saying he would quit if Ryan Garcia won. Seems like a sell out now. Kissing ass in hopes of being kept around. Chris called him out for thanking the judges for doing a good job.. Bradley is wack
Bivol lost to a 39, past his prime Beterbiev coming off of surgery. Crazy.
Close fight I thought he edged it.
You fight him.
Bivol should be undisputed
Nobody is talking about how great Beterbiev has to be to pull this off at his age with injury
Paulie back on that shit 🤣🤦🏽♂️ It’s no way Bivol won the last round. People just happy to see bivol survive without getting knocked out.
LOL 😂😂😂 Paulie was stuffing his face full of pizza during the ProBox Livestream. And both Paulie and Chris started crying "robbery".Now they are back peddling just like Bivol. Such clowns these two. 😂🤣😂
Tim your wrong this time, bivol won clearly
And not a single judge had him winning 😂😂
@@paulelago9453a judge thought Canelo beat Bivol invalid point
The fight reminded me of an old saying used by ecologists ““Predators run for their dinner. Prey run for their lives”
This Pauli guy has no clue how boxing is judged. Just like most uneducated people that are too lazy to do simple research on judging boxing matches, he thinks boxing is only judged on clean punches. I’m getting a bit tired educating people how boxing is judged live ring side by actual human judges that cannot slow motion and rewind youtube videos of boxing matches. People, there are factors called 1) Effective Aggression and 2) Ring Generalship. These are very important in Professional Boxing even more than the Amateurs.
It's called "boxing" not "punching". If you didn't know Beterbiev's KO percent you wouldn't be giving him the rounds.
Great point
Get some help🤡
seeing as bivol was visibly getting broken down and literally went into survival mode in the last 2 rounds, you didnt have to know arturs KO percentage. if Artur had 0 KO's, you could still see Bivol was 1-2 rounds away from getting stopped.
@DrPlans he took the 11th round off on purpose.
He won 1-4 plus round 9 decisively. The fact that every judge gave no swing round to Bivol and didn't even give him winning round 3 is ridiculous.
And they could have given 10-10 rounds but choose not to and gave every round to beterbiev for coming forward hitting the arm.
Breaking down from hitting the arm doesn't score points like clean jabs. But the judges were scoring "punching" not boxing.
@@DrPlans You only say he was 1-2 rounds from getting stopped purely because Beterbiev is a KO artist lmao. You prove his point! Was he wobbled? Did he get dropped? Assumptions, assumptions....
I agree with Paulie
This was one of the best discussions of boxing ever 💯 3 pros that know their stuff in the game explaining the hard questions
Idk what fight y'all watched? But Bivol won! It's a robbery smh
Tim Bradley was spot-on.
The host was completely off. I can't believe he actually said in response to Bradley's explanation, "...all the judges were wrong." It kind of makes you feel as though he had a lot riding on a Bivol victory.
By no means was it a robbery. It was simply an extremely close fight and Beterbiev's effective aggression, particularly during the Championship Round, earned him the nod.
The judge from Poland was afraid of chechian guy.
😂😂😂
Just got back from Riyadh. Great boxing event and atmosphere.
The main event! not seen such a high level fight live. My daughter had it 116-112 and I had it closer 115-113 both for Beterbiev.
Catching up on the ‘Fall Out’ I have read, watched and listened to a bunch of stuff.
What I have found is that lot of experts, pundits and fighters (and retired) can’t stomach that Beterbiev deemed the aggressor pressure maulers can box on the backfoot, have success with it against the favourite elite pure boxer in the sport and beat him.
Tim keeping it 💯 the other two are clowns 🤡...take the word of an elite champ like Tim than them two C level fighters all day long
If anything, whether Bivol lost or won, he made Beterbiev look beatable, and not the 20 straight KO monster. If I’m Bivol, I’m
super confident, knowing he can beat this guy again.
He's 39 years old with a knee injury
@@evanultime1305 if I’m Bivol, I push for a rematch, make adjustments, fight from the outside and frustrate Beterbiev, and make him look even more ordinary and old so that the judges get it right.
You mean beat him first time! Bivol lost
look beatable😅..bivol lost & will end up even worst in rematch..ko