FFXIV: Wesk Ranks Every Extreme Trial (Endwalker)
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- Опубликовано: 31 дек 2023
- Oh boy, here we go again. Who's gonna get angry for this one? There's a few fights I am sure I will hated for.
Also, sorry. I'm literally one person. No chance in hell I'd be able to get the B-Roll for every fight.
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As someone who absolutely adores Bismuth, it's appearance, it's weapons, it's arena, the Sea of Clouds, and especially the music: Yeah, fuck that cutscene of a fight
I still remember doing Hydalin EX on Christmas Eve after the EW launch with my FC. As my first EX it was so much fun we cleared it twice and even got the mount and weapon which I won the roll and got it one of the best Christmas presents ever.
Really surprised you don't like Shinryu, it is STILL my favourite EX after all these years because it really felt like an epic fight with a boss. It's the only trial I enjoyed enough to spam for the mount when it was current.
YESSSSSS, thanks wesk! I was waiting for it! Much love to you🤩 Plus I loved Rubicante, well maybe because it was my first cleare I ever did, when it was current content.
Raiders, if you're having trouble with prog, just remember that it's all just stand and let thing resolve.
Edit: Dammit Wesk don't undermine my karpposting preemptively
Haven't done a lot of EX trials when they were current, but I'm just happy to get another S-ranking for Barbie; hell, even when I get the original in a roulette I'm stoked, the fight is just intensely fun and frenetic with matching music.
I have a soft spot for Ramuh EX because of a personal experience with beating it in a random-matched party where we fought it largely blind (I think 6 of 8 didn't know the mechanics going in?), communication finally won the day, and we defeated him after a huge pile of pulls with a nail-biting five minutes left on the clock. But I understand that euphoric experience isn't gonna be an indicator of how fun it is on average.
I have a similar thing with a second run for Stone Vigil (Hard), except far more silly. I had completely forgot how Cucu Fera worked (in that it was just cannon stuff) so we tried to work at defeating Cucu Fera where I, as a Paladin, would have to draw the aggro of stuff, when the battle is entirely cannon stuff. Somehow, despite the mess, i apparently did enough to earn recommendations as I tried to come up with a solution for some reason even if it was wrong.
Just realized I’m the Summoner in the Golbez footage lol. It was cool seeing you in game!
Awesome video as always!
Memoria was my first Extreme ever, a friend recommended it as a good learning Extreme; so I might be nostalgic, but I do think it's good as just that. A good baby's first.
I'm amazed that Diamond Weapon is so high, but honestly? Based. Love that fight.
Man the zeromus theme is so good tho!
Yeah the fight is meh but the music really pumps me up.
Same with Rubicante. Fight is alright but man that rendition of Battle with the Four Fiends is chef's kiss*
True the fight is dogshit to a good portion, but the vibe drags it way up for me.
I know it wasn't the focus of the video, I have to say I loved the Storm's Crown when I got there in the msq, and I hope we get more like it eventually for normal stuff. It's honestly a testament to it how little they had to adjust for the extreme. I will probably ride that high forever, and I even got it as BLM on roul and it was still fun
Barbariccia is maybe my favourite fight in the entire expansion its so fun, healing it at close to min ilv when it came out was really fun and frantic, there's still some mechanics that require a fun form of coordination, whilst most of the fight is just chaotic and focused on clean directed responses to what she is doing, its so so good.
I haven’t done any EX trials ever but I’ve always watched with morbid curiosity when people do do them cause damn that stuff looks fun!
You should give them a try! They're a perfect gateway into endgame content and are really not that hard 😊
Endwalker ex trials in PF have been pretty chill for me, just post a learning party for one, players seem willing and happy to help. Don't worry about making mistakes, it's part of learning!
It feels good that Ruby Weapon got the A spot. It's the only extreme I did and running it 40 times for the mount, I never got bored with it due to how mechanically fun the fight was.
I'm an EW baby, and my first extreme was endsinger. I have so much nostalgia for that fight, but looking back on it now, I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. And 10/10 agree with your thoughts on barb. Very fast, very fun, almost paced like an ultimate it some places (but not as punishing iirc). Again, thanks for the vids! Love the content.
Super interesting to hear these from a contemporary perspective, especially coming to the game later than you did! A lot of the things you mention are in the context of "for Extreme difficulty". Since you did the dungeons already, will you be moving onto Savage/Ultimates next? (Also missed opportunity to tell Rubicante Ex to "Get Rotated"!)
...shit, you're right. I should have said get rotated nerd.
I might. Ults I at least need to clear DRU first. And also it'll probably be a DT video so I'd need to do those Ults too
@@WeskAlber Something fun might be looking at the Eden raid callbacks to the primal fights, seeing how the Warrior of Light has (mis-)remembered them after a few too many knocks to the head, both in terms of design and mechanics. (e.g. Titan big rock guy, ok, landslide mixups, ok, bombs, ok, All Titan Vehicle, uh...)
Thanks for your perspective on extreme trials!
I only really did EX trials in endwalker, and I definitely agree on the rough placements, as well as just the general trend of them being a complete mixed bag. Fights like Barbariccia, Golbez and Hydaelyn are a lot of fun. They're got a whole lot of movement, varied mechanics, force you to pay attention and act as good teaching tools to get you prepared for the kind of skills you need for even harder content like savage. Zodiark is just kind of there, he's a bit of the "stand and let thing resolve" meme especially with how many people relied on a dorito to get through it. He's not completely awful, but I got really bored of him as you get plugged into the matrix after a while; the dodges are more or less always the same, and once you've learned them, paying attention becomes optional.
Then we get to the REAL stinkers. Endsinger, Zeromus and Rubicante are all several different shades of bad. Endsinger probably being my personal least favorite among them, feels like she has LESS mechanics than normal mode (even if she doesn't). Almost all of her EX mechanics are remixes of phase 1 mechanics shoved into the aesthetic of her phase 2, the limit break check is completely removed, some mechanics outright don't show up and the new additions all feel really... bland. When she was hyped up as despair so black the light of hope couldn't pierce it, I was really expecting a lot more from her.
Zeromus is just boring, start to finish. He's barely changed from his normal version first of all, with all but branding/sparking and meteors being super intuitive to learn and not requiring much puzzlework. The things they added to him don't make the fight harder in any kind of significant way and the movement is just REALLY easy. If there was ever a fight that felt like a striking dummy, Zeromus is my pick, 'cause he just does nothing, man!
And then there's rubicante who's just... not a fight? He does his ordeals like eight times and none of them are any fun, the adds phase sucks and every other mechanic he does exactly once and they never put a spin on them. I'm not sure why they didn't decide to combine some of his mechanics like the donut/circle with ordeals, just to spice it up, with HOW often that happens in the fight. Limit cut being a savage mechanic is hilarious, but the savage version of it felt like an EX mechanic to begin with. The wing spread/stack just sucks, the safespots are poorly telegraphed, they're way too tight, and you're better off just having both your tanks invuln and LB3 to avoid having both healers die because nobody knows how far out/in they can be on the pizza slices.
The one thing about Zodiark that I love is how fun it is even tho it's so fucking easy and is essentially a dorito meme fight. But that's kinda what draws me to it, just some chill farmin. It's also a laidback fight into easing new players into extreme. But Rubicante? ehh as much as some parts of it are fire (especially the music and banger design), the fight is a tedious and questionable slog, even tho it's a tad more difficult. For as much of a follow the marker fight Zodiark was, Rubicante is that but even worse, literally nothing happens and you wait while the circle mechanic resolves, for atleast 1/3 of the fight. wtf. Also yeah the safespots are absolute dogshit especially for an extreme. Honestly the fight really deserves the F or WTF tier, for how cool it is, it has so much shit dragging it down. But I like the overall atmosphere too much.
putting that glorious beard in F tier is a disgrace.
in all seriousness though, i actually love the Ramuh fight. its the only EX trial in ARR where there are multiple challenging things going on often enough that everyone needs to pay attention to
Aight, when is the savage and ultimat tier list ..... :) Loved this vid.
Something interesting to note about Odin in the trial: He does PERCENTAGE BASED DAMAGE! As in he can actually kill you if you do the trial unsynched at level 90 and aren't careful.
Yeah, that's the big Gravity Well AoE.
i love all of these. EXs are my favorite content in the game. i wish we got more of them, or at least more content that was around this difficulty level. it feels like everything in this game is either super easy cinematic content like dungeons and normal trials, or super hard stuff people prog for months like savage. gimme more middle difficulty stuff please yoship.
i might be biased for seiryuu since it was my first ex fight, but i love it cuz it was so fun despite being easy. it didnt feel very boring to me and i feel like this difficulty would be perfect for future content in between normal and ex
It's funny, "Fail Whale" was my first ever Extreme clear "at level". And by "at level" I mean in 3.5...but don't take that as meaning I overgeared it since I was a mostly solo player who knew very little about the game (namely gearing) and mostly just did MSQ content at the time. The only other thing I did was Garuda Extreme with level 60 tanks for farming the tanking achievement before SB went live.
...and for that reason, I loved it. Spent a whole Saturday afternoon in PF groups getting everyone their bird, and it still holds a special place for me because that mount and music and experience. I started in 2.3 (just before the patch with NIN came out, as I got to 50 just after that, a WHM dragged into a Saturday afternoon mass FATE train in Northern Than with 7 NIN parties looking for healer for powerleveling via FATEs), but it wasn't until 3.0 that I actually did a for real Extreme at level, with Susano (and the pupper) being my first truly "legit", if you will, Extreme clear. Also Lakshmi, but she's such a cheapscate, I don't think I actually got her doggo until ShB, lol
"Good and evil! The WAAAAR ETERNAL!!" I'm glad I'm not the only one that does that. I'm not sure that should make me feel better or not, but it does. : )
Sorry for all the posts, but also agree Ravana's music was amazing. Viking war ballad in the middle of the thing was unexpected but awesome. My other favorite music fights are probably Sophia, Lakshmi, Susano, Tsukoyumi (the fight would have been amazing with voice acting, but even without, it was my first experience of a fight telling a story, and I loved it), Titania (just because after 80 runs, I had to listen to the La Hee song to sleep - fight mind virus with mind virus - and oddly, it stuck with me as decent, the piano waltz is kinda nice), Innocence (that piano...), Emerald Weapon, Warrior of Light (though the fight was a witch with a capital B), HydEx, and Zeromus when the Red Wings theme drops. I'd say Endsinger, but I've only done the Ex once because of what a pita it was, and that it doesn't have the Wings of Hope theme anyway, sadly...
Oh, and Nidhogg. The music...that they lined up Ahk Morn WITH THE MUSIC CRESCENDO is still amazing to me. "How I learned to love Cure 3: The Fight".
Really surprised by the Ramuh placement. Back when I was on the free trial, it was my favorite extreme. But my experience was very different. The hardest part for our group was before Ramuh's ult, after that part of the fight, it was kinda just free
Back in ARR, it was a struggle for me to clear. Like I say, it came last. Cleared Shiva first even.
Then when trying to teach in Mentor roulette, people listening to callouts enough to get past adds is a miracle.
Wesk, all I can say is your preferences are hard for me to parse. I will admit it's more your harsh way of wording things at times that lets you tilt me but I still appreciate the video all the same 😅
And personal favorite EX is Barbie, it's just so fun to play 😁
Hey, you have to give Susano that sword block/hold up thing. There are people that literally leveled tanks JUST TO DO THAT because of how awesome it looks and feels to do. Even all this time later, that's worth at least C tier. : )
I don't care what anybody says, Hades EX is one of my favorite trials in the game. Yeah, the mechanics aren't the hardest, but the overall fight just has this epic feel. Moreso than the MSQ version. The only bad thing I can say about it is the absurd amount of downtime via cutscenes/phase transitions. Otherwise it's right up there with Thordan EX for me.
This video is fire 🔥
I love "what angel wakes me!"
Hate to stop a video midway through, but I'm still going through ShB. For now, though, I mostly agree. Still remember waiting an eternity to make a Ramuh party for someone to just rage quit lol
50:00 you couldn't jump while binded right? but they changed that after rubicante
Yeah, so just do your jumps before the binds. Which is how your rotation naturally lined up.
Fully agree with where Barby EX got placed, I think it's the best Endwalker EX
The one point I will have to differ: I love the Red Wings theme for the last quarter of Zeromus. The boss is attacking me with Nostalgia. Well played. But FFIV, back when it was FFII, was my first RPG. So I have vulnerability to that flavor of nostalgia.
Since the EW extremes are mostly the only ones I've done on content, I'll just share my two cents on those (eh, technically I think I did Garuda EX waaaaay back on PS3 with a shitty connection but I don't remember anything about it).
Mostly can agree with the EW rankings, only that I quite enjoyed Zeromus even if it's definitely not a tip tier fight. It's the right kind of hectic for me and I definitely have a lot of bias for FF4 so there's that. Endsinger was the first EX I tried day one and maybe it was my lesser skill at the time but then I somewhat enjoyed it. I still get what people mean with missed opportunities and it definitely could have done more.
And Rubicante, pfft. I enjoyed the fight, sure. But it's still the gutter tier EX in this expansion. Similar to Zodiark in being a dorito fight but in the end the ordeal patterns are super static, easy to learn and doing ordeals feels like over 50% of the fight. Also people skipping Flamespire (Rake? Brand? The one with the number cleaves and I refuse to call it yet another limit cut) day one is kind of eh. Almost wish it would happen way earlier in the fight.
Depending on my mood top1 spot in EW swaps between Barbariccia and Golbez, with leaning more to Barbariccia because even when you mess up, there's a chance to recover unlike dying at wrong spot in Golbez = congrats, you just doomed the entire party to die.
you already got the Ridley mount? lucky I know some poor souls who are at 500-700 zeromus totems trying to get the mount.
No, I need to farm some of the mounts still. But I stop at 99 totems.
I genuinely can't agree with diamond weapon. That was a rather boring fight compared to the other extremes, at least for me and my previous static. It just felt like the normal version except with indicators hidden, alongside the silly limit cut near the end. The teleporter stuff only really mattered if your party is incompetent. From the start, it is just a fight designed to be played by two light parties.
Okay but Ramuh is by far single best ARR extreme. Fight requires everyone to understand mechanics (can't just memorize it), have good amount of flexibility/communication going to resolve things, adds responsibility for others (you failing means someone else may die) and isn't easily solved by a mix of markers and a script/guide to follow. Few other fights (Shinryu, Tsukiyomi) you rated low fall into same category for me - they're more dynamic and not as much of a solved case after initial prog.
Or, different people like different things about encounters. I do like my content to be more on dynamic side and staying closer to the initial blindprog experience in amount of chaos and on-the-fly decision making required, but I can see that being annoying for someone more focused on their individual performance/damage optimization. And nothing wrong with that, good thing we have different fight designs so it's not all the same.
The one major disagreement I have with you: I HATED GolbEx. It's the one Extreme in the game I have not cleared yet because I decided after spending several weekends in PF trying that it wasn't happening. So many bodychecks means I can do everything right, and still be completely unable to clear because I don't have a Static and get the bad luck of the PF draw. On the other hand, I LOVED Zeromus. I didn't think I would, but the meteor is interesting but not TERRIBLE (and can be cheesed if you have that one player that just CANNOT get it), and the fight overall has a decent amount of movement, but not as much as Barb (as a healer main, this can be important), the healing felt tough and engaging but fair, and the final fight shifts the music and atmosphere and starts throwing out a lot of stuff making for a hectic victory lap and fantastic way to end it. I LOVED this fight and it's probably my second favorite of the expansion behind HydEx and BarbEx.
Dang this tierlist is so based
Warrior of Light not in S is wild
Odin's Sangetal or however its spelled does % of max hp damage. Go into it unsynced and watch it chunk you
Sanngetall to a Warrior with 440k HP did.... 5k.
It does not chunk you.
I think the F tier on Rubicante and Zeromus is pretty hyperbolic. otherwise good list
Angry!
Might be because I was I was BLM, but Seiryu in F is wild. It's a hectic and erratic fight where simple mechanics rapidly layer ontop of each other, and there's some extremely big brain optimisation you can do on BLM.
I love Bismarck, but I do wish we could have spent more time dealing with the whale itself.
Can't wait to get unreasonably upset about someone having a differing opinion than me about stuff that is entirely subjective.
I'm joking, people who actually do get upset over that are a bit silly in my opinion. Hope you have a great year in 2024 Wesk.
FF has come a long way
Halfway threw this video it feels like more of a ranking of which fights you dont like do to players. Ill come back and reply when I finish.
OK after finishing the video, I would say the second half is much better than the first half. It feels like the first half of the video was fights you were forced to recall and do leading to very little patience for players being bad. Second half was much more enjoyable.
due* and considering some of my favorites are some of the hardest, you very misunderstand.
I would place Hydaelyn lower simply because after the adda phase i can't see absolutely see anything because of my light sensibility... i Didn't had fun playing it with sunglasses on to vaguely get what was happening, making me look like i didn't know mechanics at all
I dont agree with every take but that’s because I’m biased. Byakko is triple S tier. Does’t Titania go by they/them, though?
Today I learned there is an ultima weapon ex. I don't know how I didn't know that when I knew there was an unreal 😂
Sophia is my most hated fight and that was before having to run it 90 plus times for the damn bird! Never once had a run without both healers falling off as they never understood the scales. The music was so bad. Super F.
Shinryu and Nidhogg are my S teirs. Not totally sure why but so much fun.
I'll forgive the slight against Zeromus. It was my example of man what a chance to be cool but at least this is a great remix.
It constantly blows my mind that people think the game has gotten easier. Encounters/fights are generally more mechanically complex now than they were in the past, and even comparing to HW, most Jobs are more complex now, not less, they just removed some of the clunk and jank of things (like missing a positional breaking your combo and not granting additional effects in addition to less damage, or accuracy...existing). I get some things might seem easier (healers damage rotation; their healing plan oGCD system is actually more complex than...Medica-spam), but overall, things are harder. Heck, all but...what, 2?...Extremes this expansion featured body checks, many of them (especially GolbEx) multiple body checks. Tons of encounters require looking at the boss, not just ground AOE telegraphs, which is inherently more challenging. These are all things being harder, and before even getting to the dance and mechanics combinations.
People having done a lot for years are used to various telegraphs and have their target dummy rotation down to muscle memory, but overall, the game is more complex now, players are just generally better, and for whatever reason, don't realize they're better.
Oh, Titania was my first ever "did it truly at level" (on patch), first ever I got the mount on patch, and first time in the game I was overall BiS (as a person that doesn't do Savage) by the time I finished the fight with the weapon. It was a great experience. And I really did like the fight overall. As you say, fun and lots of variety and fun.
for future reference, Titania goes by they/them pronouns, as do all the fae in shadowbringers
Ah shit I didn't even realize I did that. BIG oof on my bad.
At the very least, I was able to change the Subtitles.