There's still this weird hype around US races. I'm sad at how easily impressed everyone is with B list famous people and a stadium. Give me Monza any day.
honestly this is miles better than Any Driven Monday. The format works so much better and every episode so far this season has been a great listen, excellent switch up by Sky
I like Karun's idea about using all compounds. I'd take it a step further and have Pirelli bring all the compounds and let the teams decide after FP2 which 3 compounds they will carry for qualifying and the race
The reason they don’t do that (I believe they used to) was to save on logistics costs and environmental impact as they have to bring enough tyres that every team can use their maximum allocation. Eg, even if no teams use the c5 they would still need to bring enough for 20 cars to have 4 sets, 20 * 4 * 4 = 320 tyres PER each different tyre.
I always love it when Sir Brundle is here. He just nails it every time he speaks and is so precise and eloquent when making a point. He should be a must every week. Oh and Ted! 🤣
@@jm22paris I know he’s not a “sir”. It’s called showing respect to someone who actually knows what he’s talking about in a sport that he’s been a part of for 40 years. He doesn’t talk twaddle he talks absolute sense. 👍🏻
For me absolutaly the best F1 podcast I have come across. Non biased, fair, verry competent and a really good panel mix. With Karun and Brundle you have two men who know what they are talking about, being former F1 drivers, a straight and sincere Nathalie, and an excellent Matt as panel leader. Verry refreshing in this polarised world. Karun was spot on. They do not have any weak spots at this moment. Adrian Newey, Max, Marko , Horner, the mecanics and all the other people within Red Bull, they seem to inspire each other to reach for the impossible.Brundle was right. This is a verry special time in F1, and we are lucky to whitness it. It is not because I am Dutch, but as a F1 fan a driver like Max excites me race after race again. This boy is amazing.
Karun Chandhoks idea has been debated many times, but a two stop race with three tyre compounds is far too expensive for Pirelli, and Karun should know this walking the paddock so frequently
Appreciate Martin Brundle and others for their efforts to put on a show and believe all celebrities who choose to be on the grid should be ready to be interviewed and all bodyguards should be kicked off the grid. Everyone including Martin to me are celebrities
100% correct. They are already in a safe spot on the track. Sky Sport F1 crew should have free rein. They are not stupid and won't do silly things. They respect the sport. Free rein on track and pits. This team of commentators should be on a panel for F1 improvements. Great ideas and know what the true fans need and want. 👏🤩
Race was aight. I think people didn't like seeing Max breeze past the field so early, but in general tones it was decent. Don't like much of the Murican stuff in excess, I think COTA has the balance of American Vibes without the cringeness yknow
I think forcing a two stop race using all tires is a gimmick to keep lesser teams closer and hoping for chaos. The FIA has to do better in selecting the proper tires for the race which can make for a 2 stop race.
@@Tjescoo I understand that but it just seems it’s a forced rule instead of a more common sense rule. I just wonder why it’s so important now to change things when it seemed ok that Mercedes dominated for 7 years. It’s going to be very difficult to replicate 2021. I wish every year could be like that but it may come one out of 5-7 years.
Natalie made a really good point. People only think about the on track competition in F1. But there should be some credit given to Red Bull for nailing the off track engineering
@@robmay471 Red Bull haters are always there. I have news for you Lulu and Princess Georgina will have to wait a few more years, when Verstappen stops then they can try again, but at that time Lulu will probably have stopped too!!🤣🤣🤣
English Media : Max does a first purple laps on old hards, but because RB is so far ahead they call it boring. It's just all in the eye of the beholder i guess. I have no doubt if Lewis did something simular the british media would be over the moon with the rest of the world pretty much responding in the way they are now.
Need to make drastic changes, so there's an opportunity for overtaking in corners like the older days, the fact there even needs to be drs zones so drivers can go quicker than another car on a straight to get past says everything about the ability to actually race imo! Whether that's big changes to the cars... or to the tracks, something needs to change because the drivers of old were able to show more racing ability/skill....having pre programmed setups, ect, at the touch of a button ruins race craft!
We've seen overtakes in the corners this season. The biggest issue is the tyres, because most of the time they will manage tyres and wait for an undercut/overcut in the pits. The tyres are too sensitive and have been designed that way for years to artificially induce jeopardy. You have to go back many years to when drivers could push on the tyres. But the weight is also a big issue and nothing about that is going to change significantly because it's mostly there for safety. The obvious solution would be refuelling, but they don't want that for the cost and PR reasons, and changing aspects of the regulations to incentivise weight reduction over aero. For example, Scarbs says that the suspension could be made much lighter but it isn't because of its aero benefit. Next you need to remove all the simulation data they have at the weekend to predict when to pit, and prevent a lot of the driver coaching that helps drivers avoid problems. The cars and tracks aren't really the problem.
@RuyLopezQB6 the drivers even say with the downforce now its harder to follow, they are bigger and heavier so difficult to take different lines, i agree with all your other points but definitely not that the cars don't need changed when thats been highlighted by the drivers themselves
@Aaron Lee Martin yeah i agree, think the focus is on trying to make the cars faster but far more economical which maybe suits speed for qualifying, but for racing its having a negative effect
F1 needs more variables: tyre, war, refuelling etc. Karun is right, there is no shame in being beaten by Kimi, Mika, Michael, Prost etc, but the point is that Perez is extremely well backed. He has Carlos Slim in his corner - so anything can happen in my view. Disagree with Martin, the race was awful in Miami.
The moaning comes from people that are not Red Bull and above all not Max fans. People are just upset that Max is going to dominate this year again and will be one of the dominating factors for years to come.
@guitarronioronio405 To me Martin said it right, F1 is about excellence! I have watched F1 for almost 30 years. It's what has drawn me to the sport.. the excellence in engineering, driving, technology, and everything else. Red Bull and Max do it the best right now. Hats off to them!!
MIami is the emperor's new clothes of F1. Too many (with a few exceptions) of the media etc. who are (being paid to be) there spend the weekend telling use how fantastic it is and how the driver's intros were brilliant whereas the rest of us can see the truth. The race was 5/10 bang average, the excessive hype around it however is what generated the negativity against it. I fear Vegas will be this x100
The cars are too big and heavy, makes it difficult to genuinely race, take different lines and move under braking. With new sustainable fuels they should remove the hybrid element and the heavy batteries (I know engine suppliers won’t be happy, but f1 is such a strong marketing tool atm they will stick around) and make them smaller so they take up less space allowing more avenues to overtake in corners.
I’ve followed F1 for over 40 years but TBH F1 under Liberty is pushing me away. F1 was always a Wuropean mainly series … it is becoming Americanised and I for one don’t like it. Let’s just get back to F1 basics … good tracks is the most important … not including lots of US tracks coz that’s where the money is!! Losing Miami off the calendar wouldn’t be any loss for most F1 fans.
My ideal race would be 2 stops being the recommended route and the fastest, 1 stop should be a very risky (but achievable sometimes) alternative strategy, 3 stops should be slower on paper but an option for some cars in certain circumstances. I feel like that used to be the case? ... but we've been gradually moving away from that and now teams only pit once because they 'have to' to use the other tyre when they could do the whole race without stopping in reality.
Agreed. More pit stops and different strategies makes it more likely we'll have proper racing. Races were everyone starts on the same set, pits at the same time and finishes on the same set are the worst.
The pudding head celebrities should be advised of who we fans recognize as legendary. I'm glad we don't normally have to suffer through all the pomp and circumstance of the pre race in Miami. The race itself was pretty good.
The unintended consequence of the budget cost cap is the constraint that is placed on the team's ability to adapt and recover from design mistakes. From an engineering perspective when teams create their respective car concepts they test and reference them in a vacuum or against 1-year-old relative data. The teams do not have insight into what their competitors do with their car concepts. The number of races will become problematic on the human side unless team sizes are increased to reduce mental or physical fatigue.
So for me on the driver introductions I get it but it should be reserved for a meaningful event. Indy car does it but only for the Indy500. It would be good for the first race of the year to introduce the fans to the drivers for that season. Potentially Monaco (because of its history). I agree no we dont need to do it at every race. Also I think it isn't well received at Miami because is wasn't nor will it be (in my opinion) a race of the season or a memorable race, because of the layout of the circuit, it doesn't invite the same level of racing as other tracks. So ultimately you have a one off build up to a race which is more memorable than the race, so for me that takes away from the race itself.
Karun's idea about all three tyre compounds being used seems to me to be one of the most obvious and easiest changes to implement, I am in complete agreement with him and can't understand why it's never at least even been tried.
@@AaronMartin7193 hardly short of money in F1 are they, maybe it wouldn't work and maybe it wouldn't be viable, but it doesn't appear like it's ever been seriously considered or if anyone has ever contemplated testing it out. They throw money at plenty of other gimmicks, would seem worth trying surely?
Why can't they just come out of the current weekend tyre allocation? Just use one less in practice. Practice is generally about setup anyway, not so much speed, like qually and the race is.
Usain Bolt was not told to use different shoes, of course you are fabricating the race if you're deliberately going from 1 tyre to two tyres, then 3 tyres. Your are deliberately adding jeopardy, that is manipulation, what other sport forces these sort of things (if you can still call it a true sport now)? This should be a sport of engineering, designing & driver skill (yes keep a budget cap, that forces efficiency in the design and engineering and not just a ManC situation, where you can have 2 full teams because you've got mega more money.).
FIA/FOM please listen to me: scrap the pre race “hype up the drivers thing” 30 mins before the race, it was soo cringe i actually muted the sound during that segment 🙄
I liked it. But only because I had the main broadcast on one side, and driver cam on the other (via F1TV). There was so much action to follow on driver cams that wasn’t on the main broadcast. It’s the first time I do it, but I’ll watch future races this way. Mad respect to the commentators, but the directors need a kick up the bum.
@@mclarenguy22 it’s the only viable way to watch races where I live. But honestly, it’s affordable and you get F2 (which is always amazing) and F3. You also get a few decades’ worth of races in the archives, some documentaries… it’s good value in my opinion.
the racing came first before the entertainment, we used to watch the race that was entertainment enough, Natalie is from an entertainment business so I can't blame her but when is enough enough it just goes on and on, they already have unbelievable access and pre shows etc so im sure the you wouldn't mind the drivers have some break before a race.
This is just the DNA of F1: There have ALWAYS been years certain drivers, certain teams, certain manufacturers dominated. In the 70's Jackie Stewart with Ford. In the 80's Mclaren, Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost. In the 90's Nigel Mansell, Williams Renault, Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher with Ferrari. In the 00's Michael Schumacher with Ferrari and Fernando Alonso with Renault. In the 10's Sebastian Vettel with Red Bull Renault and Lewis Hamilton with Mercedes. And the past year and the last races Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez with Red Bull Honda. So dominance was always present, some races were great and others not so great. Because we've had an EPIC battle in 2021 Mercedes/Hamilton vs Red Bull Honda/Verstappen, because of the new fans, because of Drive to survive (Netflix) most (new) fans expect such a battle every race, every year but history begs to differ. I just enjoy the (mostly midfield) racing and the gems every race offers.
Unfortunately I found it boring and was way too much focus on the celeb angle. Too much on trying to impress the Americans as if they are the holy grail. I understand chasing the audience but F1 is going to lose its identity trying to appeal to the Americans.
I agree with Karun on the mandatory 3 compounds. I seen Peter Windsor has something to say about it as well. He doesn't think it will make the racing more interesting but I think he's wrong. He want different strategies from different teams/drivers. Mandatory 2 stops will defo create more diversity of tactics.
I looked at the timestamps and saw the timestamp about George and I instantly knew karun would be the one one to bring him up. Whenever hamilton beats George karun is completely silent though
Why don't award points to all finishers? That would prevent droning like in Baku. Just increase the amount to give proportionally reduced points from P1 to P20. We can handle it, we have calculators.
To enjoy F1 requires a long-term commitment. If you watch an F1 race and expect the same emotional satisfaction as a Netflix movie, you're in the wrong place.
Not enjoying city tracks. Yes it will attract attendence, but for the audience on TV, every track starting to look the same. Bring on imola. And on nat's point once a great car has done a lap you've pretty much seen enough, never mind a whole season of it.
60 overtakes... What's not to like? Max and Sergio only count for 9 of them. Russel 7, Hamilton and Leclerc 6, Magnussen 5. Was the most of this season so far, and 10 more than last years race. If you want to watch crashes and chaos, you better watch other series. F1 is engineering, strategy, driver skill, etc. And Mercedes had a stronger first 5 races in 2019 (98,63%) then Red Bull now (95,32%) Red Bull have now a 224 points out of 235. People should stop complaining, and enjoy the marvel of engineering. Mercedes were on it in 2014-2016, and Red Bull now in 2022 and 2023. Hamilton was inevitable then, Verstappen is now. It will change again, nothing lasts forever.
The element of you don’t know what is going to happen next!!!! We knew for over eight (8)years that Ham would win. Why is it such a problem now someone else is winning. It is all a bit hypocritical isn’t it?
Sky Sports why don't you take some responsibility? Bringing conspiracy theories in the world? This is unaccaptable, during the race when it was clear Max would probably pass Checo, your journalists where so butthurt they quickly came up with the conspiracy theory there was hardly any radio communication between RB and Checo, he was left purposely in the unknown.... How hatefull and unprofessional can you be against RB and Max? This is not some speculation it's putting everybody consistently against Red Bull and Max and then we all suprised there is toxicity, you are part of the problem and the solution.
All the pundits are suddenly now talking about changing the set-up of the race: make two-stops, use more different tires, do this…do that…! I am baffled by it because I do not remember these demands for mixing and/or disturbing the order in the “let’s call them the Hamilton/Mercedes years”. Changes?? No please do not touch F1 it bij is doing fine because We Are Winning. Nowadays it is all about ‘how can we slow Verstappen down’.
Couldnt' agree more with Brundle. I thought it was a pretty good race, I was definitely entertained. And it was leaps and bounds btter than Baku, which might have just been the most boring race I've ever watched.
Karun not realising he got sent off by the FIA, with the old *"Oh, that's an interesting idea.. we'll have to look into that!"* Which ofcourse really means: "Shut up kid, stop annoying us with your stoopid ideas!" 😂
You know what guys… let’s include track invaders as a rule. Maybe they’ll get run over… maybe not. The top teams just need to do a better job. This is after all the pinnacle of motorsport technology right…? Did we have these discussions when Mercedes was dominant for years and years?
As regards SJYS - the question nobody is asking is "How come a 3-time world champion, and F1's world ambassador for 50 years - is seen to be on the wrong side of that barrier?"
I think using more tyre compounds means more pitstops... mean more overtaking done in the pitstops. it won't work. less wing derived downforce will allow cars to follow closer. one car is miles quicker than everything else we have always seen that. mclaren in the 80's Williams 90's Ferrari noughties, then Mercedes and now red bull. maybe weight penalty?. and we haven't seen the results of development cap yet..maybe in second half of season things will change
The majority of modern F1 seasons have a dominant team or driver. Verstappen. Hamilton. Vettel. Schumacher. This season's 'closeness) isn't an outlier it's a return to the norm.
Great idea about using all 3 compounds of tyre also make them start with the 100kg of fuel to reduce people fuel saving don't let teams underfuel cars.
Listen, each track has its thing, on track/off track. most definitely you don't need to do this for each track. let the US be the US. let Austria be Austria and so on...I like that the US races are a fan fair. in the context of a long season I'll take it.
I can't believe Natalie just said the word that was in my mind, jeopardy. The other is excellence. It's not having more teams, it's making sure the best team has the best drivers in. The most iconic season had the most dominant car. McLaren that had senna and prost
The driver thing at the start was simple CRINGE, only the Americans would like that TACKY, we can also see that F1 FIA are pandering to the US market above any other that will be to down fall of F1 if the Americanis it
I think the problem is drivers having too much information available and not going on instinct. Saving tires, driving to given lap times etc takes the fun out of it for me
People moaning , read " British entitled fans having cold turkey because they needs their~shot of Hammie " And please , Sky people quit the annoying commenting during the race , it was "" Brilliant passes from Hamilton " , " Lewis is awesome " for over a decade whenever he cut trough the field overtaking on the straights with 30 Bhp more then the rest of the field in the fastest car . And now its " The car is so fast " , " what an insane fast car " , " Oh Adrian Newey !!! " whenever Max does the same . Thank god that I watched the race live on F1TV !
Could you not keep the FP1-3, Q1-3, race format whereas 1 set of all 3 tire compound to be used in FP, 3 set of softs for Q and for the race you must use all 3 compounds used in FP. Tire wear from FP would oblige a 2 stopper and each team will have their own strategies that should be more complex and more mysterious for fans alike.
If any other F1 driver did what Max did in this race today, the media hype would have been 'off the charts'. As Max has become so good at consistently delivering 'master class' type races, his performance today has been totally under rated by the experts. None of the other F1 drivers, who started on hard tires, managed to optimize the hard tire performance like Max's master class race did today.
@@philliptiestopl1511 Judging by what Max did with a Torro Rosso, at the beginning of his career, he would definitely surprise everyone if he raced in a current Williams.
Get in, Karun! 2 stops a great idea. All 3 compounds (in a dry race). The strategies will be really varied as they all try to gain advantages during the race. Drivers pushing more. So what if the softs would last 5 laps?? Thats the jeopardy. Get off them quick or leave them for last for fastest laps. Scrap the free tyre change on a red flag too.
Nope there are already to many f1 rules all the tiremanagement and strategies are past when Lewis won everything with al the boring victories nobody mentioned ever this idea cause there was a British driver who won everything,lol
Re: Checo beating Max in the WDC, it won't be because Checo found a weakness in Max, it will be the car itself. Max's weakness is his enormous pace and skill, his "weakness" is his strength. The way Checo exploits that weakness is to publicly allude to Max as the #1 driver for RBR and then if Max has some bad luck with the car and Checo wins, it will have been done in the most gracious way possible.
the driver intros were not good. borderline cringe. It doesnt work at a race track that is 3 miles long and only be viewed from the paddock and finish line straight.
The difference is that Mercedes came in 2014 with a car miles ahead of the competition. When last season started, Ferrari had the best car but in typical Ferrari fashion they went backwards.
The main reason in my opinion, max is more reserved is because he now has a car that has the performance to do so. Put another car/driver who is just as fast as him or slightly faster and we’ll see shades of old. And of course, he’s a racer that races hard. Wouldn’t have a racer any other way.
The regulation change was all due to Mercedes crying other teams just got it right so why change the regulations for one team it just made red bull even stronger
Maybe the car is best suited to the best driver, and that’s why he is a better driver. He gets the most out of it. Give him credit. Sergio is good. Max is better. Simple.
This is the best panel for this show. I’ll say it. Pinks for the fan perspective, Brundle as the statesman view, and Karun as a proper analyst.
I like Damon Hill, Jolyne Palmer and Ms Schiffe.
@@DrTortoiselle Yep, Hill is as pathetic as DC. Both biased to the bone and seem to be angry and frustrated by the achievements of others.
Yeah Damon Hill is a bit sad, also in the F1 Nation podcast
Karun is what I would call an analyst, not a "data guy"
I agree. I also liked the American data guy who had worked with red bull from last weeks pod
There's still this weird hype around US races. I'm sad at how easily impressed everyone is with B list famous people and a stadium. Give me Monza any day.
great podcast and very relaxed conversation. Really hope Sky keep Martin for years to come.
honestly this is miles better than Any Driven Monday. The format works so much better and every episode so far this season has been a great listen, excellent switch up by Sky
I like Karun's idea about using all compounds. I'd take it a step further and have Pirelli bring all the compounds and let the teams decide after FP2 which 3 compounds they will carry for qualifying and the race
The reason they don’t do that (I believe they used to) was to save on logistics costs and environmental impact as they have to bring enough tyres that every team can use their maximum allocation. Eg, even if no teams use the c5 they would still need to bring enough for 20 cars to have 4 sets, 20 * 4 * 4 = 320 tyres PER each different tyre.
I always love it when Sir Brundle is here. He just nails it every time he speaks and is so precise and eloquent when making a point. He should be a must every week. Oh and Ted! 🤣
He's not a sir...he speaks absolute twaddle. Anything to keep his job at sky
@@jm22paris I know he’s not a “sir”. It’s called showing respect to someone who actually knows what he’s talking about in a sport that he’s been a part of for 40 years. He doesn’t talk twaddle he talks absolute sense. 👍🏻
@@TheJBALLA26
Let him be and like his own comments
Brundle and Karun carrying the whole sky sports F1 team as usual .
@@iceman1281 Ted is also one of the elite!
For me absolutaly the best F1 podcast I have come across. Non biased, fair, verry competent and a really good panel mix. With Karun and Brundle you have two men who know what they are talking about, being former F1 drivers, a straight and sincere Nathalie, and an excellent Matt as panel leader. Verry refreshing in this polarised world. Karun was spot on. They do not have any weak spots at this moment. Adrian Newey, Max, Marko , Horner, the mecanics and all the other people within Red Bull, they seem to inspire each other to reach for the impossible.Brundle was right. This is a verry special time in F1, and we are lucky to whitness it. It is not because I am Dutch, but as a F1 fan a driver like Max excites me race after race again. This boy is amazing.
Karun Chandhoks idea has been debated many times, but a two stop race with three tyre compounds is far too expensive for Pirelli, and Karun should know this walking the paddock so frequently
First words of Brundle: best summary.
Appreciate Martin Brundle and others for their efforts to put on a show and believe all celebrities who choose to be on the grid should be ready to be interviewed and all bodyguards should be kicked off the grid. Everyone including Martin to me are celebrities
100% correct. They are already in a safe spot on the track. Sky Sport F1 crew should have free rein. They are not stupid and won't do silly things. They respect the sport.
Free rein on track and pits.
This team of commentators should be on a panel for F1 improvements. Great ideas and know what the true fans need and want. 👏🤩
Race was aight. I think people didn't like seeing Max breeze past the field so early, but in general tones it was decent.
Don't like much of the Murican stuff in excess, I think COTA has the balance of American Vibes without the cringeness yknow
I think forcing a two stop race using all tires is a gimmick to keep lesser teams closer and hoping for chaos. The FIA has to do better in selecting the proper tires for the race which can make for a 2 stop race.
See my earlier comment
If you put it like that, every rule is a gimmick, don't you think?
@@Tjescoo
I understand that but it just seems it’s a forced rule instead of a more common sense rule. I just wonder why it’s so important now to change things when it seemed ok that Mercedes dominated for 7 years. It’s going to be very difficult to replicate 2021. I wish every year could be like that but it may come one out of 5-7 years.
Natalie made a really good point. People only think about the on track competition in F1. But there should be some credit given to Red Bull for nailing the off track engineering
Helps when you spend more money than you're allowed to with next to zero punishment!
@@robmay471 angry Brit detected
@@robmay471400000 euro overspend doesn't give you that much of a faster car 😂
@@robmay471 Red Bull haters are always there. I have news for you Lulu and Princess Georgina will have to wait a few more years, when Verstappen stops then they can try again, but at that time Lulu will probably have stopped too!!🤣🤣🤣
@@Hani_Santa ah yes, after the FIA auditors found them a $1.4m tax loophole that the redbull accountants somehow missed... funny that.
English Media : Max does a first purple laps on old hards, but because RB is so far ahead they call it boring. It's just all in the eye of the beholder i guess. I have no doubt if Lewis did something simular the british media would be over the moon with the rest of the world pretty much responding in the way they are now.
Thanks for making this available on youtube. I thought it's a good race as well. A good weekend overall with on track and off track action.
Well done Jackie. Less so-called celebrities and more action from the cars is what is needed!
Yes. The drivers and teams are all the celebs we need thank you.
The pre race introductions was the most cringe worthy thing ive ever seen in F1.
Need to make drastic changes, so there's an opportunity for overtaking in corners like the older days, the fact there even needs to be drs zones so drivers can go quicker than another car on a straight to get past says everything about the ability to actually race imo! Whether that's big changes to the cars... or to the tracks, something needs to change because the drivers of old were able to show more racing ability/skill....having pre programmed setups, ect, at the touch of a button ruins race craft!
The cars r well to big to race properly imo I mean for the tracks that they use
We've seen overtakes in the corners this season. The biggest issue is the tyres, because most of the time they will manage tyres and wait for an undercut/overcut in the pits. The tyres are too sensitive and have been designed that way for years to artificially induce jeopardy. You have to go back many years to when drivers could push on the tyres. But the weight is also a big issue and nothing about that is going to change significantly because it's mostly there for safety. The obvious solution would be refuelling, but they don't want that for the cost and PR reasons, and changing aspects of the regulations to incentivise weight reduction over aero. For example, Scarbs says that the suspension could be made much lighter but it isn't because of its aero benefit. Next you need to remove all the simulation data they have at the weekend to predict when to pit, and prevent a lot of the driver coaching that helps drivers avoid problems. The cars and tracks aren't really the problem.
@RuyLopezQB6 the drivers even say with the downforce now its harder to follow, they are bigger and heavier so difficult to take different lines, i agree with all your other points but definitely not that the cars don't need changed when thats been highlighted by the drivers themselves
@Aaron Lee Martin yeah i agree, think the focus is on trying to make the cars faster but far more economical which maybe suits speed for qualifying, but for racing its having a negative effect
F1 needs more variables: tyre, war, refuelling etc. Karun is right, there is no shame in being beaten by Kimi, Mika, Michael, Prost etc, but the point is that Perez is extremely well backed. He has Carlos Slim in his corner - so anything can happen in my view. Disagree with Martin, the race was awful in Miami.
love this format. thanks for your time guys!
That was absolutely brilliant ! You couldn’t have a better, more entertaining group of guests. BRAVO !!
The moaning comes from people that are not Red Bull and above all not Max fans. People are just upset that Max is going to dominate this year again and will be one of the dominating factors for years to come.
100%
Now British drivers can't win they want changes in the dominant boring Lewis periode karun/ sky never mentioned this idea
@guitarronioronio405 To me Martin said it right, F1 is about excellence! I have watched F1 for almost 30 years. It's what has drawn me to the sport.. the excellence in engineering, driving, technology, and everything else. Red Bull and Max do it the best right now. Hats off to them!!
I really hope they just bring back V10's. if we are going to fall asleep watching Max aboslutely smash it, at least give us somethng to LISTEN too
Have Sky been told they're not allowed to criticise any part of the Miami weekend?
"Circles of dominance" is the perfect phrase. It's always happened in F1, in the 39 years I've been watching it.
MIami is the emperor's new clothes of F1. Too many (with a few exceptions) of the media etc. who are (being paid to be) there spend the weekend telling use how fantastic it is and how the driver's intros were brilliant whereas the rest of us can see the truth. The race was 5/10 bang average, the excessive hype around it however is what generated the negativity against it.
I fear Vegas will be this x100
Nah the race itself was great, just ignore everything around it and it fine
Hahaha Vegas is going to be an absolute horror show. The track is like an oval too.
The cars are too big and heavy, makes it difficult to genuinely race, take different lines and move under braking. With new sustainable fuels they should remove the hybrid element and the heavy batteries (I know engine suppliers won’t be happy, but f1 is such a strong marketing tool atm they will stick around) and make them smaller so they take up less space allowing more avenues to overtake in corners.
You can write the ECN then.
I’ve followed F1 for over 40 years but TBH F1 under Liberty is pushing me away. F1 was always a Wuropean mainly series … it is becoming Americanised and I for one don’t like it.
Let’s just get back to F1 basics … good tracks is the most important … not including lots of US tracks coz that’s where the money is!! Losing Miami off the calendar wouldn’t be any loss for most F1 fans.
My ideal race would be 2 stops being the recommended route and the fastest, 1 stop should be a very risky (but achievable sometimes) alternative strategy, 3 stops should be slower on paper but an option for some cars in certain circumstances. I feel like that used to be the case? ... but we've been gradually moving away from that and now teams only pit once because they 'have to' to use the other tyre when they could do the whole race without stopping in reality.
Agreed. More pit stops and different strategies makes it more likely we'll have proper racing. Races were everyone starts on the same set, pits at the same time and finishes on the same set are the worst.
That is such a load of clap trap 😂 there are OCCASIONAL races where the hard tyre could do the whole race.
The pudding head celebrities should be advised of who we fans recognize as legendary. I'm glad we don't normally have to suffer through all the pomp and circumstance of the pre race in Miami. The race itself was pretty good.
1:12 - I love how Martin has a subtle disapproving shake of the head at Pink's "Vicestappen" and Karun is trying to keep a straight face :D
I've been a fan for over 40 years we get good races but not enough great races
Karun doesnt seem to understand that it forces strategies even more when you make it a necessity to use all tyres. Pirelli has already explained that.
The unintended consequence of the budget cost cap is the constraint that is placed on the team's ability to adapt and recover from design mistakes. From an engineering perspective when teams create their respective car concepts they test and reference them in a vacuum or against 1-year-old relative data. The teams do not have insight into what their competitors do with their car concepts. The number of races will become problematic on the human side unless team sizes are increased to reduce mental or physical fatigue.
High risk high reward, gone are the days a team can spend $400 million+ in a season and spend their way to a better car.
Jackie Stewart is my spirit animal
So for me on the driver introductions I get it but it should be reserved for a meaningful event. Indy car does it but only for the Indy500. It would be good for the first race of the year to introduce the fans to the drivers for that season. Potentially Monaco (because of its history). I agree no we dont need to do it at every race. Also I think it isn't well received at Miami because is wasn't nor will it be (in my opinion) a race of the season or a memorable race, because of the layout of the circuit, it doesn't invite the same level of racing as other tracks. So ultimately you have a one off build up to a race which is more memorable than the race, so for me that takes away from the race itself.
Tyre management 1970's style
Ferrari - "1:29 please" - Niki - "yes"
Ferrari - "1:30 please" - Niki - "yes"
Hesketh -"err James" - James - "Powerrrrr"
Karun's idea about all three tyre compounds being used seems to me to be one of the most obvious and easiest changes to implement, I am in complete agreement with him and can't understand why it's never at least even been tried.
Great way of wasting a lot of money on tyres to use 3 compounds in 1 race
@@AaronMartin7193 hardly short of money in F1 are they, maybe it wouldn't work and maybe it wouldn't be viable, but it doesn't appear like it's ever been seriously considered or if anyone has ever contemplated testing it out. They throw money at plenty of other gimmicks, would seem worth trying surely?
@@davidtemple6339 Yes I'd love to see it atleast tested but I was just thinkin what the teams would say o excuses they would come up with
@@AaronMartin7193 fair point yeah, often feel that the teams themselves have far too much influence in potential change
Why can't they just come out of the current weekend tyre allocation? Just use one less in practice. Practice is generally about setup anyway, not so much speed, like qually and the race is.
Mercedes and Ferrari have also had long dominate periods. I welcome Red Bulls excellence!
WELL I HOPE SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO TURN AWAY FROM F1
Cheating is not excellence
@@philliptiestopl1511 😂😂 What like they did when Ferrari was winning o evan MB was winning? No didn't think soo 😂
@@mercedestorque1735 only 44 cults care and still crying about it 🤷🏻♂️
TOM CRUISE is the only celebrity who loves F1 & have been attending them for 40 years
Usain Bolt was not told to use different shoes, of course you are fabricating the race if you're deliberately going from 1 tyre to two tyres, then 3 tyres. Your are deliberately adding jeopardy, that is manipulation, what other sport forces these sort of things (if you can still call it a true sport now)? This should be a sport of engineering, designing & driver skill (yes keep a budget cap, that forces efficiency in the design and engineering and not just a ManC situation, where you can have 2 full teams because you've got mega more money.).
FIA/FOM please listen to me: scrap the pre race “hype up the drivers thing” 30 mins before the race, it was soo cringe i actually muted the sound during that segment 🙄
I liked it. But only because I had the main broadcast on one side, and driver cam on the other (via F1TV). There was so much action to follow on driver cams that wasn’t on the main broadcast. It’s the first time I do it, but I’ll watch future races this way. Mad respect to the commentators, but the directors need a kick up the bum.
That’s probably the reason for F1TV. You get to see things the main feed misses.
@@mclarenguy22 it’s the only viable way to watch races where I live. But honestly, it’s affordable and you get F2 (which is always amazing) and F3. You also get a few decades’ worth of races in the archives, some documentaries… it’s good value in my opinion.
3:48 Martin couldn’t have said that any better. Spot on
the racing came first before the entertainment, we used to watch the race that was entertainment enough, Natalie is from an entertainment business so I can't blame her but when is enough enough it just goes on and on, they already have unbelievable access and pre shows etc so im sure the you wouldn't mind the drivers have some break before a race.
This is just the DNA of F1:
There have ALWAYS been years certain drivers, certain teams, certain manufacturers dominated.
In the 70's Jackie Stewart with Ford.
In the 80's Mclaren, Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost.
In the 90's Nigel Mansell, Williams Renault, Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher with Ferrari.
In the 00's Michael Schumacher with Ferrari and Fernando Alonso with Renault.
In the 10's Sebastian Vettel with Red Bull Renault and Lewis Hamilton with Mercedes.
And the past year and the last races Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez with Red Bull Honda.
So dominance was always present, some races were great and others not so great.
Because we've had an EPIC battle in 2021 Mercedes/Hamilton vs Red Bull Honda/Verstappen, because of the new fans, because of Drive to survive (Netflix) most (new) fans expect such a battle every race, every year but history begs to differ.
I just enjoy the (mostly midfield) racing and the gems every race offers.
George torpedo russell not destroying someone else race nice improvement this weekend
ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT INSTANT GRATIFICATION... 😂😂😂 YOUR A BUNCH OF ADDICTS THAT NEED HELP HAHAHA. GREAT VIDEO SKYF1❤❤❤❤
Unfortunately I found it boring and was way too much focus on the celeb angle. Too much on trying to impress the Americans as if they are the holy grail. I understand chasing the audience but F1 is going to lose its identity trying to appeal to the Americans.
ITS ALL READY LOST THAT
I agree with Karun on the mandatory 3 compounds. I seen Peter Windsor has something to say about it as well. He doesn't think it will make the racing more interesting but I think he's wrong. He want different strategies from different teams/drivers. Mandatory 2 stops will defo create more diversity of tactics.
I looked at the timestamps and saw the timestamp about George and I instantly knew karun would be the one one to bring him up. Whenever hamilton beats George karun is completely silent though
Why don't award points to all finishers? That would prevent droning like in Baku. Just increase the amount to give proportionally reduced points from P1 to P20. We can handle it, we have calculators.
To enjoy F1 requires a long-term commitment. If you watch an F1 race and expect the same emotional satisfaction as a Netflix movie, you're in the wrong place.
The driver introductions were plain ridiculous!
IT WAS AN EXCELLENT RACE WELL DONE MAX ONE OF YOUR VERY BEST! EVER
Well said Martin.
Not enjoying city tracks. Yes it will attract attendence, but for the audience on TV, every track starting to look the same. Bring on imola. And on nat's point once a great car has done a lap you've pretty much seen enough, never mind a whole season of it.
60 overtakes... What's not to like? Max and Sergio only count for 9 of them.
Russel 7, Hamilton and Leclerc 6, Magnussen 5.
Was the most of this season so far, and 10 more than last years race.
If you want to watch crashes and chaos, you better watch other series.
F1 is engineering, strategy, driver skill, etc.
And Mercedes had a stronger first 5 races in 2019 (98,63%) then Red Bull now (95,32%)
Red Bull have now a 224 points out of 235.
People should stop complaining, and enjoy the marvel of engineering.
Mercedes were on it in 2014-2016, and Red Bull now in 2022 and 2023.
Hamilton was inevitable then, Verstappen is now. It will change again, nothing lasts forever.
The element of you don’t know what is going to happen next!!!! We knew for over eight (8)years that Ham would win. Why is it such a problem now someone else is winning. It is all a bit hypocritical isn’t it?
37:00 thats huge PR for the drivers in the west. its a good thing/ its why proze fighters have walk outs
This is the best combo for the podcast (plus Ted)
Ted just waffles endlessly, I don't get all the hype lol.
Sky Sports why don't you take some responsibility? Bringing conspiracy theories in the world?
This is unaccaptable, during the race when it was clear Max would probably pass Checo, your journalists where so butthurt they quickly came up with the conspiracy theory there was hardly any radio communication between RB and Checo, he was left purposely in the unknown.... How hatefull and unprofessional can you be against RB and Max?
This is not some speculation it's putting everybody consistently against Red Bull and Max and then we all suprised there is toxicity, you are part of the problem and the solution.
All the pundits are suddenly now talking about changing the set-up of the race: make two-stops, use more different tires, do this…do that…! I am baffled by it because I do not remember these demands for mixing and/or disturbing the order in the “let’s call them the Hamilton/Mercedes years”.
Changes?? No please do not touch F1 it bij is doing fine because We Are Winning. Nowadays it is all about ‘how can we slow Verstappen down’.
Brundle literally said the opposite of this, but don't let that stop your crusade
No offence guys, but you could turn up and do the podcast in person. Also, the race was grim Martin, I've no idea what you were watching
Love Karun's idea on using all tyre compounds. Will definitely give us a surprise result!
Too costly
I don’t think making each team use every compound of tire (tyre) is the answer. Don’t fix what isn’t broken. Keep the heart of the sport intact.
I double dare you guys to say something nice about Max without a caveat
Couldnt' agree more with Brundle. I thought it was a pretty good race, I was definitely entertained. And it was leaps and bounds btter than Baku, which might have just been the most boring race I've ever watched.
Karun not realising he got sent off by the FIA, with the old *"Oh, that's an interesting idea.. we'll have to look into that!"*
Which ofcourse really means: "Shut up kid, stop annoying us with your stoopid ideas!" 😂
You know what guys… let’s include track invaders as a rule. Maybe they’ll get run over… maybe not.
The top teams just need to do a better job. This is after all the pinnacle of motorsport technology right…?
Did we have these discussions when Mercedes was dominant for years and years?
But this is a British sport, don't you understand 😅?
@@Hani_Santa if anything needs to change it’s that we need a more global approach. 😊
@@nilsthart4154 fully agree.
As regards SJYS - the question nobody is asking is "How come a 3-time world champion, and F1's world ambassador for 50 years - is seen to be on the wrong side of that barrier?"
I like the idea of being forced to use all tire components
I like the idea that teams should be able to use what they want and stop making fake rules because of "spectacle" or whatever.
Nah, mandate 2 stop would be decent though
@@Rottensteam I agree when in a normal situation all teams are near to each other. But unfortunately that is not the case.
@@Rottensteam you have to accept that the youngsters among us want to see something like WWE.
( ot that I want tha6)
Natalie: nicely worded.
I think using more tyre compounds means more pitstops... mean more overtaking done in the pitstops. it won't work. less wing derived downforce will allow cars to follow closer. one car is miles quicker than everything else we have always seen that. mclaren in the 80's Williams 90's Ferrari noughties, then Mercedes and now red bull. maybe weight penalty?. and we haven't seen the results of development cap yet..maybe in second half of season things will change
The majority of modern F1 seasons have a dominant team or driver. Verstappen. Hamilton. Vettel. Schumacher. This season's 'closeness) isn't an outlier it's a return to the norm.
Great idea about using all 3 compounds of tyre also make them start with the 100kg of fuel to reduce people fuel saving don't let teams underfuel cars.
Listen, each track has its thing, on track/off track. most definitely you don't need to do this for each track. let the US be the US. let Austria be Austria and so on...I like that the US races are a fan fair. in the context of a long season I'll take it.
I can't believe Natalie just said the word that was in my mind, jeopardy. The other is excellence.
It's not having more teams, it's making sure the best team has the best drivers in.
The most iconic season had the most dominant car.
McLaren that had senna and prost
Martin you and Jackie are heroes of the grids
The driver thing at the start was simple CRINGE, only the Americans would like that TACKY, we can also see that F1 FIA are pandering to the US market above any other that will be to down fall of F1 if the Americanis it
I agree must use all 3 tyer types
Definitely the greatest F1 chat show of this year. Very happy we can all enjoy it on RUclips!
You mean the best British in Europe we have much more depth into the conversations its to british coloured .
SO much better and interesting than with the chattering box!
I think the problem is drivers having too much information available and not going on instinct. Saving tires, driving to given lap times etc takes the fun out of it for me
Well without their race engineer some of them would be driving in the wrong direction.
well his long contract was worth nearly 100 million dollars, hard to leave a contract like that.
Who? 🤔
Are you talking about my contract?
@@AaronMartin7193 norris
People moaning , read " British entitled fans having cold turkey because they needs their~shot of Hammie "
And please , Sky people quit the annoying commenting during the race , it was "" Brilliant passes from Hamilton " , " Lewis is awesome " for over a decade whenever he cut trough the field overtaking on the straights with 30 Bhp more then the rest of the field in the fastest car .
And now its " The car is so fast " , " what an insane fast car " , " Oh Adrian Newey !!! " whenever Max does the same .
Thank god that I watched the race live on F1TV !
Could you not keep the FP1-3, Q1-3, race format whereas 1 set of all 3 tire compound to be used in FP, 3 set of softs for Q and for the race you must use all 3 compounds used in FP. Tire wear from FP would oblige a 2 stopper and each team will have their own strategies that should be more complex and more mysterious for fans alike.
If any other F1 driver did what Max did in this race today, the media hype would have been 'off the charts'.
As Max has become so good at consistently delivering 'master class' type races, his performance today has been totally under rated by the experts.
None of the other F1 drivers, who started on hard tires, managed to optimize the hard tire performance like Max's master class race did today.
GIVE HIM A WILLIAMS AND SEE HOW GOOD HE IS
@@philliptiestopl1511 Judging by what Max did with a Torro Rosso, at the beginning of his career, he would definitely surprise everyone if he raced in a current Williams.
Get in, Karun!
2 stops a great idea. All 3 compounds (in a dry race). The strategies will be really varied as they all try to gain advantages during the race. Drivers pushing more. So what if the softs would last 5 laps?? Thats the jeopardy. Get off them quick or leave them for last for fastest laps. Scrap the free tyre change on a red flag too.
Nope there are already to many f1 rules all the tiremanagement and strategies are past when Lewis won everything with al the boring victories nobody mentioned ever this idea cause there was a British driver who won everything,lol
Re: Checo beating Max in the WDC, it won't be because Checo found a weakness in Max, it will be the car itself. Max's weakness is his enormous pace and skill, his "weakness" is his strength. The way Checo exploits that weakness is to publicly allude to Max as the #1 driver for RBR and then if Max has some bad luck with the car and Checo wins, it will have been done in the most gracious way possible.
the driver intros were not good. borderline cringe. It doesnt work at a race track that is 3 miles long and only be viewed from the paddock and finish line straight.
Love pinks ❤
Solid podcast 👏🏽
we are back to 2014 era where it’s one car light years above the rest and everyone just fighting for 2nd place. boring unless you’re a red bull fan
The difference is that Mercedes came in 2014 with a car miles ahead of the competition. When last season started, Ferrari had the best car but in typical Ferrari fashion they went backwards.
Lol.. last season Ferrari was on par.. well Ferrari is Ferrari 🤷🏻♂️ and Leclerc is not consistent
Yes, this is the sky sport i like👍. I will stay positive now and listen.
The main reason in my opinion, max is more reserved is because he now has a car that has the performance to do so. Put another car/driver who is just as fast as him or slightly faster and we’ll see shades of old. And of course, he’s a racer that races hard. Wouldn’t have a racer any other way.
Please come with a real response ,pffff how many times we heard this already😂nobody match max into the same car
@@Ron-GIT 🥱
The regulation change was all due to Mercedes crying other teams just got it right so why change the regulations for one team it just made red bull even stronger
Maybe the car is best suited to the best driver, and that’s why he is a better driver. He gets the most out of it. Give him credit. Sergio is good. Max is better. Simple.
F1 in Miami was more like watching the Oscars 😂
The pre show was horribly cringe, and I can't believe they're trying to tell us otherwise. It was awful 😂