The Bf109's landing gear would make it unsuitable for carrier operations as it was too narrow and weak for the hard landings. In fact the 109 was notorious for accidents caused by the narrow gear attached to the body. The FW190 would have been an ideal carrier-borne fighter with its wide spaced landing gear and radial engine.
Agree, landing on a carrier is often called a controlled crash. The Bf109 might have been an iconic WWII fighter plane - but it was a fighter plane with fragile landing gear. Lots were written off after making hard landings on dry land airfields. As a carrier fighter I think they would have been good for 1 mission. One of the reasons Grumman made such great carrier aircraft ( Wildcat, Hellcat, Avenger ) was that they understood the design had to take brutal impacts and shocks and stay in one piece.
Whilst your assessment is fair, it would have been an awful naval aircraft... Though they actually did build the damn things. The 109T's were completed they just never had a ship to fly from.
The finns based their own production of fighters on ME 109.s with the landing gear more like on a Spitfire but after the war, there was not much need or money for new fighters. I believe the prototype of this is in a air museum in Finland.
Problem was that the Graf Zeppelin has had to heavy armor and the needed high power turbine engines where never completed.Because of no expirience with aircraft carriers there where some additional construction problems (It was the first and last Aircraft carrier from Germany ever).
They should had made the carrier operational, it would had an influence in the result of the war. The ME-262 and FW-190 would had been perfect carrier based aircrafts for this aircraft carrier.
Stgfre Aye, she would have been a very important vessel. Trouble is, it would have been made a top priority naval target for the allies. I don't think it would have lasted too long on active service.
It would not have. A single carrier airgroup would not be useful in a climate where the RAF could send up wings of Spitfires. The North Sea is very cramped in naval terms, so carriers are of limited utility there. The Royal Navy used their carriers in the Med, Atlantic, and Pacific for a reason. There is no way Germany could get Graf Zeppelin to any of those, let alone keep her there with escorts and get her back. Also the German miserliness about actually deploying their capital ships would mean it would rarely actually do anything anyway. Finally, as has been pointed out, it would be a high priority target. The thing would have been coated in Tallboys in a few months. As for the aircraft. Whilst I see the case for the 190, I really do not for the 262. It had fragile engines that couldn't be throttled up quickly. That's bad for taking off on short runways. Also, the engines needed replacing every 17-25 hours on land. Sea air and spray certainly won't help that, and significant numbers of heavy bulky spares would need to be carried.
You would probably need one notch of flaps on take-off. A straight wing would probably right in the water. Where is the deck people? You need lots of people for carrier operations.
@@Steven197106 I heard someone say that if their joystick is set up for 100% pitch rather than the default the plane won't flip or something like that. However as far as I know there's no way to adjust the prop pitch on a 109 since its automatic.
Nice landing, I am sure they carried lots of spare props.
The Bf109's landing gear would make it unsuitable for carrier operations as it was too narrow and weak for the hard landings. In fact the 109 was notorious for accidents caused by the narrow gear attached to the body. The FW190 would have been an ideal carrier-borne fighter with its wide spaced landing gear and radial engine.
Agree, landing on a carrier is often called a controlled crash.
The Bf109 might have been an iconic WWII fighter plane - but it was a fighter plane with fragile landing gear.
Lots were written off after making hard landings on dry land airfields.
As a carrier fighter I think they would have been good for 1 mission.
One of the reasons Grumman made such great carrier aircraft ( Wildcat, Hellcat, Avenger ) was that they understood the design had to take brutal impacts and shocks and stay in one piece.
Whilst your assessment is fair, it would have been an awful naval aircraft... Though they actually did build the damn things. The 109T's were completed they just never had a ship to fly from.
The finns based their own production of fighters on ME 109.s with the landing gear more like on a Spitfire but after the war, there was not much need or money for new fighters. I believe the prototype of this is in a air museum in Finland.
Problem was that the Graf Zeppelin has had to heavy armor and the needed high power turbine engines where never completed.Because of no expirience with aircraft carriers there where some additional construction problems (It was the first and last Aircraft carrier from Germany ever).
John McDermott wrong.
Well they say any landing you can walk away from is a good one.
They should had made the carrier operational, it would had an influence in the result of the war. The ME-262 and FW-190 would had been perfect carrier based aircrafts for this aircraft carrier.
Stgfre Aye, she would have been a very important vessel. Trouble is, it would have been made a top priority naval target for the allies. I don't think it would have lasted too long on active service.
Stgfre Me 262?
It would not have. A single carrier airgroup would not be useful in a climate where the RAF could send up wings of Spitfires. The North Sea is very cramped in naval terms, so carriers are of limited utility there. The Royal Navy used their carriers in the Med, Atlantic, and Pacific for a reason. There is no way Germany could get Graf Zeppelin to any of those, let alone keep her there with escorts and get her back.
Also the German miserliness about actually deploying their capital ships would mean it would rarely actually do anything anyway.
Finally, as has been pointed out, it would be a high priority target. The thing would have been coated in Tallboys in a few months.
As for the aircraft. Whilst I see the case for the 190, I really do not for the 262. It had fragile engines that couldn't be throttled up quickly. That's bad for taking off on short runways. Also, the engines needed replacing every 17-25 hours on land. Sea air and spray certainly won't help that, and significant numbers of heavy bulky spares would need to be carried.
ME-262 in the Graf Zeppelin???? Great!!!! It just have problems within the jet landings in the Graf Zeppelin
Nice vid! The Illustrious makes a good template for the GZ skin. Nice landing too, lol.
You would probably need one notch of flaps on take-off. A straight wing would probably right in the water. Where is the deck people? You need lots of people for carrier operations.
Steven your fantasy is excelent!!!!
Nice landing with nose flip lol
Nice of the crew not to turn around and gawk at you :) Good Vid
...but this is HMS Illustrious in German colours ...
Gorgeous!
Awesomeness
what about hms eagle??????
TheAmerican Admiral
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very cool
Yo can i also put graf zeppelin in my mod?
yes
Steven 197106 do u got link of graf zeppelin from il 2
www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,12429.0.html
@@Steven197106 is it available for 4.12.2m?
@@numba7549 yes
i have tried over a hundred times to land this stupid thing on the zeppelin and it always flips over.
the FM is Flawed
@@Steven197106 I heard someone say that if their joystick is set up for 100% pitch rather than the default the plane won't flip or something like that. However as far as I know there's no way to adjust the prop pitch on a 109 since its automatic.
Tolles Vid, nur die Landung war Schrott.. ;-)
very poor