Inside the Chieftain's Hatch M8 HMC Pt 2.
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2021
- Catching up on the cross-posting from the World of Tanks channel, if you aren't following it. The M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage at the Museum of the American GI in College Station, TX. For those who missed Part 1, • Inside the Chieftain's...
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My uncle Bobby was a loader in a M 18 somewhere during the battle of the bulge. At dawn one morning a armored force was approaching and the commander poked his head up and it was taken off. The brain parts, skull fragments covered the turret and his body fell into the tank. The driver flooded it and it wouldn’t start. It was time to get out which they did. As they ran toward the trees the M18 was hit and totally exploded and my uncle got hit by machine gun fire in both legs. His buddies dragged him into the woods and were there for three days in the snow until the Germans were pushed back.
He got to go home. My poor grandparents then had two recovering sons at home…. One from the Pacific recovering from malaria and wierd fungus.
My dad was on a Liberty Ship on his way somewhere in the Pacific and another one was in the merchant marine
I aske my uncle Bobby if I could see his scars as a little kid who loved GI Combat comics. I wished I never saw them! He pulled up his pant legs and his scars were large, dented, and chunks of muscle had been shot away.
He died in his fifties from alcoholism and emphysema from heavy smoking. Today we would call it PTSD.
I loved my uncle Bobby
Being born just 15 years after the war,and living in the Ardennes,I am very thankful to your uncle Bobby and all the ones like him.
I'm very much aware that they saved me from growing up doing Nazi salutes in a brown shirt.
@@viandengalacticspaceyards5135 thank you
I have seen such scars. Your Uncle in truth belonged to our greatest generation.
Real or not that was a pretty good story!
I can’t believe how smooth and quiet that little bugger is. I used to go deaf when driving my semi restored M3 Stuart with radial... I eventually sold it and moved into Ferrets instead
Sensible
I wish every restoration was as detailed as this one. It's great to see all the extra bits in the spots they're supposed to be in since it gives a real picture of what it would have been like in service. There are so many times you point out "spare rounds would be stored under the hull in this area," or point out the locations of other various things, but on video it's just an empty area and requires some use of the imagination. When it's restored like this tank is, you get to see what it would really be like.
I get to work on and with this vehicle at the museum of the American GI and it’s amazing the amount of detail Brent Mullins puts into his restorations
@@Bawbag0815 good job. She is a beauty.
@@Bawbag0815 He has done an amazing job. The vehicle looks ready for an inspection by some VIP.
Does Chieftain qualify as VIP?
@@markfryer9880 chieftain and Sofilein are our common VIPs to events but that’s what the vehicle always looks like inside and out, whether we’re driving them or they’re sitting on display. Always at their best
The Museum of the American GI does a grand job, well worth visiting on an event day or otherwise! It's wild to see these old veterans running as if no time had passed at all.
I love your raw honesty, "this is indeed a marketing ploy" and your extremely mild pitch " if you feel like it, go ahead and go show your support". Love it man. The tanks are great too.
I like to think the sound of the siren at the end was not from the tank, but Nic himself
yooooo nordern love your content speaking of whens the next wt vid. I also thought the same thing.
Bald
@@jamescharlesworth775 dang , i wanted to Say it first
This made it infinitely more funny to me, thanks as always Nordern
I have heard from several ex-tankers that the belly escape hatch on various types of tank was most commonly used as the "pee hatch"; as in not having to leave the tank in the rain to take a pee.
That sounds helpful
I really enjoy these outdoor, daytime shots of the interior of a mostly functional vehicle (along with the driving footage), glad you get to have some fun with these (relative) rarities. (Yes, I know its a repost and didn't happen recently)
I dearly love seeing FULL restorations like this. I like to see the stowed ammo, hand weapons, fire extinguishers instead of "now imagine this rack is full of ammo and... ". 😁
That looks like an exceptional reconstruction.
to quote the Chieftain: M8 everyone should get one... ^~^ Later that day: But honest honey, It followed me home... 0~o I just don't see Missus Chieftain buying that... ^~^
I won't say that this video is the reason I now own an M12 panoramic sight, but it's certainly a large contributing factor.
I don't know why I love this little coconut launcher so much. There's just something about pocket tanks like the M8 and M5 that is so cool!
this is the first christmas in 7 years I didn't get massively absorbed into WoT and I'm say I'm not feeling twitchy and ready to re-install. The game really pissed me off in 2020-2021 but I still enjoy Chieftains videos !
Agreed. Went back to it recently. No where near as good as my memory serves
Good for you! Hope you had a good one.
@@laxingpiper23 Came back as well and found fun again. Will probably stop playing as soon as weather permits to go back to welding outdoors though 😉
A beautiful restoration. Looks like Chieftain hopped into a time machine and went back to 1944.
Based on how difficult it usually to go out the "escape hatch", I'd think it's in case of rollover, when the upper (turret) hatches are blocked by a wall or the ground.
either that, or if there's something trying to pick you off as you try to get out
@@Voron_Aggrav even so you'd probably still go out over the top anyway.
When your tank is under heavy machine gun fire. You would prefer to squeeze out the bottom where they cannot hit you than risk collecting a swarm of angry bullets passing you by
@@glenmcgillivray4707 that was indeed what I was thinking of, it's generally not great to enter such a hailstorm it's generally bad for your health, and if the Vehicle is being generally disagreeable with your presence that bottom Hatch makes a Great option to avoid both sources of unpleasantness
the rolling over of the tank would also have removed the stuff that is in the way....
Very well restored vehicle, kudos to the restoration crew and owner.
Way, way back in my early teens I recall seeing a single, still black and white photo of three M8s with their guns at what I assume was near max or max elevation and having just fired in "unison". In addition, on a rare occasion, I would spot one or two in "stock" film footage of WWII vintage used in documentaries. Since the internet did not exist back then and print references were few and far between in our local library, I made the assumption that the M8 was some sort of breech loaded mortar carrier....Not to mention I had no idea what "HMC" stood for. Thanks so much for a fascinating couple of videos covering an AFV of WWII that I wondered about for decades but never managed to do research on myself. Excellent video as usual! Take care and may you and yours have a Happy and Safe New Year!
Doesn't HMC stand for "Her Majesty's Clunker"?
What an immaculately restored vehicle. Looks like it just came off the production line.
I wonder if it even looked that good off the production line.
They were especially valuable in Italy, where their small size, maneuverability, and high-traverse indirect-fire was incredibly useful in the rugged sloped terrain.
The occasional video that pops up on RUclips clearly filmed in summer during these dank, drab winter months is nice.
"WEEEOOoooo!" "That scared the crap out of me." I can see your grin Chieftain, you rascal. :D
Loved playing the M8A1, had net and binos on it, crew was trained in concealment. Would just rock away with this thing
I can't imagine sitting above all of that ammunition like that.
Tankers and flight crew in WW2 really were a different breed.
They regularly requested MORE ammo stowage
And no roof to protect you from an air burst!
@@doughudgens9275 If an airburst round goes off over top of you, the ammo under you is the least of your concerns.
WOT frequent player. Thanks Chieftain for bringing me to the game and for the great vids. This has been great fun.
Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Enjoyed the video, thanks for the demonstration. Looks like fun!
This was a great one. Thanks
Another informative and entertaining video. I particularly enjoy watching these beautifully restored armor vehicles being operated.
Thank you, Chieftain!
Very Cool... Looks like an excellent restoration. Thanks for posting
Russ
Nice and fun little tank. Great restoration, well done to that team and thanks to Chieftain and camera guys for the video
I must say that I enjoy these so much I'm watching the latest video instead of getting ready for new years
That driving demonstration was awesome.
Great vid as usual.
I must compliment the fantastic quality of that restoration though!
She's a beauty!
"Great (Gen.) Scott!" it took you long enough to release part two!
Very interesting video as always on the M8 HMC which I envy you very much that you were able to drive such a well restored vehicle! It was very effective in mountainous areas like in Italy both because of narrow roads and steep hills. My late Italian father told me he has seen them passing his town rushing to Pisa and the Gothic line. He always was amazed by the sheer quantity of war material and numerical superiority of vehicles and AFV! Good job and I wish you a happy new year and a great 2020👍👍👍
Thinking specifically about the the upgunned variant, I wonder if it would have been possible to fit a 57mm M1 anti-tank gun into that turret? Seems like a a more suitable weapon for a "light Tank Destroyer" than the 75mm M3 in the "M8A1"
the M1 57mm would have ''easly'' fit that turret, but it never happend pressumably for the same reasons the half track with the 57mm never entered service
@@skriv0in0navn I mean, all it would need is some light modifications. Nothing too drastic.
Sure since they could fit a 75mm cannon in the M8A1. A 57mm would give you a little more armor penetration with the loss of the better HE capability of a 75. Most rounds fired by Tanks and Tank Destroyers were HE in support of the infantry. The same problem was with the M18 and its 76 MM gun was that the HE round was inferior to the 75 MM but the M18 was used to support the infantry when there were no enemy tanks around to shoot at.
@@patrickwentz8413 A tank destroyer, by doctrine, should be shooting first. And the 57mm gun will do fine against Pz III and IV.
@@polygondwanaland8390 the 57mm is more than enough to kill them yes, but the 57mm lost to the 75mm in the gun trials a couple years earlier, since they found the 75mm to both be better at dual purpose, and had better range, which is why the 75mm was originally chosen for the sherman and such
I adore this little thing. Such a cool vehicle.
Our M114A1E1's also had that simple tube sight with crossed wires mounted below the 20mm cradle for aiming when buttoned up.
Well that has to be the longest wait between pt 1 & 2.
Awesome restoration of the vehicle. I hope more government museums get the funds to have vehicles restored to this level.
It was released on World of Tanks youtube channel like 6 months ago
What a Nifty bit of Kit!
I'm smiling at the end sequence and Chieftain I suspect channelling Neddy Seagoon or perhaps Col Henry Crun who were both unsung heroes of WWII.
We all have our own personal heroes :-)
Great place to visit and been there many times!
That thing is beautifully restored.
Oh no the tank is on fire... Use the extinguisher... Nice!
Ya know I've been playing world of tanks for something like 5 years.
So I can't be one of the new players using the link, but every time you put out videos I end up playing again and usually buying something, so hopefully I contribute to the statistics.
That is an extremely sexy restoration job holy hell.
This is one of the nicest tanks he's been in, especially for it being a runner.
Have a healthy and plentiful New Year!
I love these things they are great.
cool to see one in working condition
That is a really nice restoration.
Waiting for 6 months was well worth it!
The m8 has something oddly cool about it
I think so too
It's the twin Cadillac engines, I think. Am I the only one who was impressed by how dialed in the mechanicals were? You burn 1930's automotive unobtanium to keep those going. I mean, who even knows how to rebuild a Hydromatic anymore?
I like it because of the gun, the nugget launcher. With the velocity of a fat guy on a Walmart scooter eating a McChicken
@@rwaitt14153 they're pretty simple from what I understand. Manufacturing them is the hard part.
*Amazing video, Interesting channel!!*
love these guys in Battle Academy
Nice tank on a sunny day🙂
Love the intro
Thank you, I've always wondered about the M8 and I appreciate this being posted during the Holidays. Was the Jerry can stowed internally fuel or water? Wonder why it wasn't mounted externally and the space used for more .50 cal ammo.
Nick......you KNOW you wanted to try and roll over that row of parked cars!
Tanks a lot chieftain
Nice to see the 14th markings.
M8 is an absolute litte recce beast in the Bolt Action miniatures game.
This is a marketing ploy. But an enjoyable one.
Finally, a tank you don't hit your head against the ceiling.
That's why there are helmets. Then & now. YW
Knew you wouldn't be able to resist trying out the siren.
I recall reading that the M8 HMC had no assistant driver, since with there being no bow machine gun he would have no specific duties. When moving, the cannoneer or gunner (don't recall which) would shift to the assistant driver seat, leaving the turret free for the other two crew members.
With artillery pieces there were frequently ammunition vehicles that would accompany the Battery with the Canadian Forces. I don't imagine this would be entirely different from the US ones. They preferred to use the ammunition out of the limber vehicle and same the rounds in the vehicle itself where possible. When firing was intense everyone anywhere near the gun position from cooks, to clerks to Sigs to drivers and mechanics were fair game for the guns to use in handling ammunition. I imagine having an extra dude or 2 around to go on flank security or help haul ammo would have been very welcome.
In fact back when I was a young lad a Sgt grabbed a brigadier general and his entourage and set them to loading rounds when there was a 40 or 50 round fire for effect. His excuse was that the manual says he can employ the personnel on his gun position as he sees fit, and well, they {were} on his gun position..
@@jeroylenkins1745 I must say he's got Brass balls for using the Brass like that :D did they actually help?
I imagine it depended on the unit. The official compliment was 4, but often units would adjust to suit their tastes (i.e. TBM Avenger crews were usually only 2 men in the last year of the war, since the radio operator and bombardier were usually redundant and were not protected by armor. But the official crew was 3 or 4. B-17s and 24s usually ditched their waist and ball gunners by the end of the war. I can see why units would like the 4th crewman, even if he had "no official duties", there is always something for a fourth guy to do, usually during maintenance, or when towing, or on sentry duty, or just to take turns with the driver so he doesn't have to exhaust himself driving 12 hours or more a day on long routes.
Need an edit of that big red button press to have a negligent discharge
Chieftain you are the man I look up to you you're story too is bad ass I also want to ride in the tiger or sit in a tiger I or II
wish they made a couple m8a1s. i know they didnt need it, but i really like it
The phillipines had some of these on amphib tracks until a couple of years ago.. though they lost their amphibi capacity a while back...
Those bogey wheels wouldn't happen to be 22" would they?
Thanks go to the guy at Aberdeen who obviously had had enough calling it by the designated name and grabbed a stencil and a can of paint to end the argument......
I like the Stuart tanks all variants. They had a job to do and were only as good as their crews a d training.
Here from deboss garage subbed and wanting to learn!!!
As always thank you for an interesting and informative video. Did I miss of 1 to this?
Part 1
Nice to see what it's going to look like when we get done with the one we are working on. It's marked 14th as well.
Great show and tell. I started in World of Tanks in closed Beta. Still try to get in between other interests including World of Warplanes and World of Warships. Keep having fun showing off these ancient tools.
Hope to see a walk around on a M1A2C Abrams, that would be cool.
Gotta love the snubnose artillery
Pocket carry.
"FIRING!" *aggressively slaps button*
Funny that Mr. Moran embraces his Irish heritage in some ways but he still calls it a "transmission" and not a gearbox. Which is actually the accurate term.
It reminds me of Bonaparte from Dominion tank Police.
Did you say underswore flooring?, Just wondering I like how you explain the controls for this Tank.
I have no idea why, but my family had a periscope site and an M56 site that my brothers and I used to pay with when we were young. I'm guessing we got them as surplus when we visited Ft. Lewis back in the 1960s. Fortunately no one targeted our Studebaker station wagon when we were tooling around the back of the base. 😮
My Dad almost bought a Norden Bombsight that was on sale at a rural farm auction in Virginia. Given all of the useless crap he did buy I've always been a bit upset that he didn't get it!
@@juvandy Some would argue that the Norden bombsight was almost useless crap after reading the WWII strategic bombing study. No where near the claimed accuracy from my reading of the documentation. Would be a bragging piece though, due to the fame generated by the self-promotion of the Norden company.
Well it's not like we would have used it. Still an impressive bit of engineering even if it wasn't perfect.
@@ssgtmole8610
That's total BS.
US bomber crews were far more accurate than any other type of heavy bomber of the war and it was because of the Norden bomb site.
The 8th Air Force was bombing from higher altitudes than anyone else and was putting far more bombs on target than anyone else was, example;
The RAF claimed a 36% bombs on target average, but their target was a entire city, the 8th Air Force claimed a 32% bombs on target or within 1,000 ft, and their target was a factory and even sometimes an individual building, so which do you think is more accurate? Planes dropping bombs that 64% don't even hit an entire city or 32% hitting a specific target with the remaining 68% hitting close by?
Try reading what the Germans had to say about who dropped the most accurate bombs before you start believing all the BS written over the years by people who want to put themselves out there as "experts".
The fact is the Norden bomb site made US bomber crews the most accurate by far of the war.
Watch a video from Greg's Airplane's and Automobiles channel titled "B17 vs the Lancaster, the truth!!!" He goes over all this in it and dispells the myth that the Norden bomb sight wasn't accurate.
@@juvandy Yep. Norden was trying to improve accuracy so civilians were less likely to be killed. Unfortunately, most bombing tactics evolved to area bombing, and civilians were essentially declared combatants because they were potentially supporting their country's war effort.
any plans on taking a look at an M113 or and other APC's ?
Great
I really want a panzer for H with the 105 howitzer but the hmca looks like it's able to be driven by one person and use completely by one person they unfortunate thing is the howitzer is small enough that it can't actually do damage to it Abrams but the 105 howitzer on the panzer for H actually can , you have to hit it directly in the driver's hatch underneath the main Cannon , if I recall correctly the concussive force from high explosive and heat could actually do quite a bit to the crew on the inside even if you don't pen .
I think the M8 HMC is a rather cute vehicle.
"Much to your wife's annoyance."
TRUTH
Seeing you in the front made me wonder how many tankers had their hair/hats and the like get caught up in the turret traverse system with how close your head was to the ring.
Gunners learn very quickly where not to put their fingers. It's very much a self correcting problem.
My brother went to university there. Go Aggies!
Off-topic for this video but a Chieftan video on the history of modern wheeled vehicle employment (especially the less than brilliant choice of the HWWMV for urban combat despite the prior examples of Viet Nam then Mogadishu where unarmored/poorly armored vehicles never intended for close combat were easy RPG fodder) evolution would nicely complement the tank-centric content.
Necessity to self-defend against multiple threats (UAS, ATGW, projectiles, RPG) while protecting infantry will require carrying heavy defensive systems light non-expeditionary armored cars designed around constabulary operations will make life difficult for users of inadequate systems.
The Pacific Pivot is fine (for the Navy) but we don't always fight the wars we prefer. Wheels remain limiting not empowering except for low production cost and sometimes more convenient maintenance. Tracks are very far from obsolete because SOMETHING will be required to haul heavy weapons and self-defend in an era where many drones can bypass a tiny few exquisite aircraft.
When driving around it looks very much like a wind-up tin toy tank from the 30s... ;-)
COLLEGE Station, Texas home of the Fightin' Texas Aggies! Every train stop has to have a name, and with nothing else in the area in 1876 but farms, cattle, and wolves the only reason to stop was for the Morrill Act land-grant college created to train young officers for the military (the same for pretty much every "A&M" or "State" college in America, including Penn State at College Station, PA). At the end of the video, you can see that, "Highway 6 runs both ways." (If you don't like it at A&M, you can leave.")
Been waiting for this since the schmalturmwas taking from the PZIV
Ironic, how I find the videos you do yourself of higher quality than the ones with all the WoT stuff like the intro
That's a "Honey" of a little Stuart howitzer. As it was used in rain and snow there must be some drains in the floor? Was there a supplied canvas tarp to cover the top when not in combat?
Yep. They had a tarp to cover the turret. Majority of US open tops had them too.
AT 7:49 you mention removing propellant charges from the shell. What would they do with these items? Would they toss them out of the vehicle or retain them? If they retained them, what might they use them for other than fire starters?
Only a Irish man of a certain time could start singing the ying_tong song! A Mr milligoon fan?
Is the last tube sight aligned with the gun? Or is it set to a certain angle to the gun?
Hmmm, where can I pick one of these up? I'd love to have it for Green Bay Packer's home games (yes, I can get tickets, I just can't tell you how).
5:27 the literal ‘big red button’ made me laugh!
Yes