Ryuken Ishida's REVENGE - How the LAST QUINCY Engineered Yhwach's Downfall | Bleach Discussion
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The Stil Silver Arrow is one of the most infamous devices introduced in Bleach's story, but it's also a fascinating piece of the series' endgame. In this video, we take a look at the arrow itself, but also Ryuken Ishida's role in TYBW overall, to see how the Ishida family's conclusion came to be, and how Ryuken was instrumental in defeating Yhwach.
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What did you think of the Stil Silver arrow? How could Ryuken's role in TYBW be improved? Let me know!
the concept of the arrow is fine. if anything keep it, but they have to tease and build it up throughout the arc (anime) instead of pulling it out of the ass at the end
It sounds like there's a connection between the "Silver of Stillness" and Mimihagi, who governed "stillness" as opposed to "progression/evolution". Mimihagi was the only thing that had until that point escaped Yhwach's gaze, leading to Yhwach being completely taken off guard when it rose up and protected the SK's body during the kamikake. I don't think Mimihagi is directly related to the arrow or anything (aside from being involved with the same concept of stillness) but I do think that it's for similar reasons that the Almighty could not see the arrow coming, and could also not see Mimihagi's actions. On top of this, there's also the possibility that Uryuu used his Schrift, initially shooting something else, then switching the target of that event to Yhwach so that he was instantly hit without the possibility of it missing its mark. However, I'm not sure that exactly fits the description of how his Schrift works (Reversing any event between any two chosen targets)
it's a zelda arrow. specifically in A Link to the Past, Link gets a silver arrow to kill ganon
I think showing more of him as a combatant aside from saving uryuu would have been nice since we've seen considerably more from isshin in that manner.
I find it weird that I would have liked the arrow better if the concept was only slightly altered. If instead of Ywawch's ictims materializing his weakness, Ryuken gathered remaining energy from the holy selection to create an anti-quincy weapon that could imitate it on a smaller scale to disperse a quincy's powers. It makes more sense to me and also adds a level of irony with him dying the same as all the quincy across the world that he fed on.
I really like the duality between Yhwach and Ryuken, the two most prominent Quincy father-figures in the story.
Yhwach's whole character is based on his status as a Quincy, while Ryuken rejects his identity as a Quincy.
Yhwach is known as the First Quincy, while Ryuken is the Last Quincy.
Both of them are motivated by a personal loss. Yhwach wants to avenge his father, while Ryuken wants to avenge his wife.
Both of them have very different ways of acting as parents. Yhwach sees his so-called children as nothing more then tools for him to use, but still considers himself as a benevolent parent.
Meanwhile, Ryuken acts cold and dismissive of Uryu's desire to be a Quincy, but he still helped him when he needed it and trusted him with the weapon that would help them defeat Yhwach.
Yhwach wanted to create a world without death, while Ryuken is a doctor, because he has dedicated his life to helping the living.
I really like how Kubo made the two Quincy father-figures be such fitting parallels to each other, given their respective roles in the story.
Wow! Never saw that metaphorical parallel
Man, I've been telling people for years Tite Kubo is a poet that uses Manga as it's medium, and this here just encapsulates that sentiment perfectly, thank you
I really liked your explanation and just wished Ryuken was more up front and center in the war since he’s such an important character. We hardly see him
Damn nice man
Was the Soul King literally Ywach's father though? I know that was something Ywach called the SK, but I don't know if that was supposed to be a literal or figurative thing. If it was literal, how could that be? Ywach was physically born somewhere, presumably far after the SK was stripped of his parts and turned into a linchpin. So I feel it'd be figurative, but even in that case I don't know what he'd mean by it unless Ywach's being a Quincy came from being born with some major fragment of the SK, like the SK's...."arrow"...so to speak. Am I just dumb, or is this as vague as I feel like it was.
I wonder if this is covered in any of the light novels. I just bought CFYOW, and they've come in the mail, but I haven't read them yet.
Ryuken creating this legendary weapon and then Uryu unleashing it against Yhwach symbolically represents justice for all the people Yhwach stomped on and snuffed out to get where he stood on. Particularly his fellow Quincies.
They're his descendants too
He was passing the torche to his son because he knew how much the death of his wife took a toll on his son! He truly cares for his son just had a hard way of showing it like isshin!
Yes, that was what was said in the video.
I’m all for him helping out against ywach but he should have been more active and actually fought some sternritter
@@gammafrost yo that would be so dope seeing his skill and why they call him the last pure quincy!
I just like to imagine that Ryuken showed up at Isshins door and asked "Hey, I'm about to go give my son this arrow so he can help us get it back in blood. Wanna come and watch, maybe get some closure on the Masaki thing?"
I'd like to imagine they instantly left for drinks as Ichigo and Aizen are getting their shit twisted by Yhwach in Soul Society.
This is my new head canon, thanks!😂
@@dinolover Old Toph said it best: sometimes you have to let the kids handle things.
Actually, this conversation would be a great way to allow the anime to explain what the arrow is and how much both parents relationships with their children and wives parallel. It can also make the viewers sympathize with the protagonists of Ichigo and Ishida more.
Ryuken: Isshin, it's ready.
Isshin: Cutting it a little close here, out boys are fighting a literal god here.
Ryuken: They're not dead, we have the time to refine this.
Isshin: These are our children we're talking about.
Ryuken: And 'This' is our revenge, we're working on, we only get one shot. Uryu and Ichigo are stronger than you think.
Isshin: if you had just let Ura-
Ryuken: He couldn't be trusted to work in silence and shadows.
Hopefully the anime will give this dude a bigger role. Because man it really felt like he was supposed to do something major in the final battle and not stay on the sideline. I mean he did create the arrow that lead to Ywach downfall, but boy did Kubo screw this guy over. Same with Ukitake and Isshin.
Indeed. He knows the history of the Quincy-Shinigami conflicts and even with his misgivings he should play his own role here other than what happened. He is a force of his own.
@@manuelacosta9463 Fair point. I just wish they used more Quincy spells , reisha manipulation , Q-Magic
i heard ukitake is getting more backstory in the anime
Ukitake was screwed before this arc. This is actually ones of his better arcs. The whole mimihagi aspect is the best thing he's had in a while.
I remember wondering, when I read it originally, if the arrowhead wasn't just the silver from Katagiri, but also from Masaki and potentially all the mixed blood servants of the Ishida household who died. They could then add a new flashback scene, where Ryuken explains to Ishin what really happened to their wives that night and his plan for revenge.
It's head cannon, but you could really flesh out the relationship between Ryuken, Uryu and Soken using Katagiri's death. Katagiri dies and in his grief Ryuken desperately searches for what killed her, even to the point of carving up her corpse and traumatizing Uryu. After discovering the silver, Ryuken confronts Soken and demands to know why he didn't warn them. That they could have done something/anything, and now Uryu is suffering and motherless because of him. His wife's death and this sense of betrayal drives Ryuken away from the quincy life (remember he was 100% for the quincy before this), and Soken in his guilt take Uryu under his wing.
It would make sense with his focus on work.
He not only rejects the quincy but uses work to avoid the grief and, to an extent, care for Uryu in a distant way.
could become canon in the third cour I so hope to god
It's not headcanon. It's just interpreting a narrative.
@@AnonTDegeneratehe ran away because he will discovered as Engetsu by other quincy and to prevent Isshin bankai from being stolen. He resorted to surgery to complement his missing quincy power.
I quite like the idea of the arrow, I'd just be happy with it being setup a bit earlier. Kinda like how the anime has given setup for Uryu joining the sternritter
I know what you mean. Ryuken should have been more active in the war. It would have been nice if he helped Uryu take on hashwalth before going to assist in fighting ywach
tbf the arrow was foreshadowed from really early on just never really mentioned again, i cant remember exactly when but uryu mentions walking in on his dad dissecting is mother body and he never knew why but it was to collect the silver for the arrowhead
ah wait he literally talks about it and i was wrong was in the tybw
Storytelling-wise I think that the Still Silver Arrow is a great idea and the way that Yhwach was defeated by his "sons born in the dark" is very cool. Both Ichigo and Uryu derived their motivations from the consequences of Yhwach's actions. Ichigo's will to protect comes from Masaki's death and Uryu infiltrates the Wandenreich to get revenge for Katagiri.
In the end Yhwach's decision come back to bite him and that's a pretty good way to defeat a villain.
The only problem with the arrow is that it was introduced so late. If they showed it and its abilities a lot earlier, I wouldn't have any problem with it.
I just realized that the Silver could be a reference to Judas's betrayal of Jesus, especially with Ywhach being a sort of adaptation of Jesus Christ with the whole Son of God and time passing twice as quickly in the mortal realm compared to Soul Society, making the Blood War take place 2000 years before the start of the arc in the mortal realm's years.
Here's what i would have liked to see.
The Gerard fight happens as normal but towards the end Isshin and Ryuken step in. Ryuken uses the arrow to stop the miracle and Isshin uses his bankai to kill Gerard. Ryuken then explains that the arrow he had was not enough to stop Yhwach's power and needed a silver blood clot from some one powerful Like Gerard and he uses that to forge the arrow used to stop Yhwach.
err No
Windy FTW :)
The still sliver was foreshadowed early but there wasn’t that much build up to it, which can be good or bad in some cases. But for a majority of bleach fans, they thought it was a cheap way out of defeating Yhwach. With the added Uryu scenes in the upcoming cours, hopefully that can could develop it and satisfy those fans.
Keep cooking. All they need is like an extra quincy legend about the silver
The whole thing was an asspull. Hopefully they change stuff in the anime to make this work, it could be awesome.
@@Superman54 Not just an ass pull, an ass pull that doesn't make sense.
Yhwach died, and then rewrote his own death. Disabling his powers for a couple of seconds doesn't matter much. He was cut in half, he's going to survive longer than a couple of seconds after being cut in half and be able to rewrite his own death again.
The fact is, the author wrote themselves into a corner with Yhwach's power. He is quite literally omnipotent.
@Microtardz well, it's a bad asspull.
However kinda feel like the answer has been in front of us the whole time.
A lot of white/silver theme in the Quncy color scheme. Even the crosses were made of silver. Uryuu's quincy tools were crafted out of soul silver.
So it makes sense that silver is a tool of the quincy to be lethal and to bind.
@@MicrotardzHow would he revive himself without his powers to revive himself???
He couldn't use The All Mighty to see Uryu's arrow because either he was still under Kyoka Suigetsu or Uryu's Antithesis reversed the effect of it. He was screwed regardless of anything he had done, since he was fated to be killed by Zangetsu.
Ichigo sliced Yhwach the same way he sliced the soul king.
The father and son died against the only person who had a blade strong enough to shatter fate. The difference was that the Soul King saw his own death at the hands of Ichigo and accepted it, while Yhwach saw the same event, but deluded himself into not believing his own eyes.
Also, ONLY Ichigo could've killed Yhwach since he was the only person who could kill the soul king as well. That is why Yhwach waited 1000 years, he needed Ichigo to be born to accomplish his plan of killing the soul king. But he failed to realize that would spell his demise as well.
This is why Bleach is so special. With each reread and video analysis either from you or other channels something new still uncovers or a deeper understanding of specific aspects. Thank you for all your hard work!
The silver arrow is a great concept. All the taking lives from Quincy backfired at Yhwach, an ultimate revenge from being bound to him in such cruel way. The world of Bleach being govern by Shinigami has it's flaws, and it is a curse that only Yhwach could change it. An idea that death would cease to exist is interesting, but looking at his character overall bet every soul would be bound to him in exchange, causing everyone to exist in a living nightmare of his omnipotence. Fate worse than death.
I agree for the most part. I like that the arrow gives Ryuken a role in bringing down Yhwach and in turn avenging his wife. I just always thought it was so obvious how it should have ended. Ryuken shoots Ichigo with the arrow> Uryu uses antithesis between Ichigo & Yhwach> Yhwach uses yama's bankai while powers are down> Ishin uses his bankai or version of the final getsuga to carve a path for ichigo> Ichigo ends it.
That would have been amazing
You need to send this to the producers
The first thing Ichibei did was destroy his bankai tho.
Also the Antithesis doesn't do that, it would work as a way to reverse them being defeated by Ywach tho. Or ensure the arrow hits in the first place
I like it
@@AnonTDegenerateI think yhwach regained it after the fight like how he regained his almighty mid fight
12:19 it reminds me of the stand arrow from JoJo.
Uryu used the arrow to take away Yhwach's abilities,
while in JoJo the arrow is meant to GIVE you abilities, but if the arrow rejects you, then it kills you instead.
It’s actually interesting how aizen brought the espada together in a similar manner to how Yamamoto brought the soul reapers together that would form the original gotei 13.
Just an interesting comparison I noticed.
I think the anime will expand on the arrow head.
The espada, X-cution and Sternritter were all mirrors to the Gotei 13.
The problem with the Espada is they were all fundamentally broken. It's as Nnoitora said, they were destined to die without or with Aizen.
Which, is a horrible mindset
I always knew Ryuken was really a good guy with a broken heart. I love the idea of this arrow. It’s literal karma for what Yhwach had done. It must have been unimaginably difficult for Ryuken to autopsy his own wife in order to understand what happened to her and who was responsible.
The power of love saved all of existence.
*proud Huey Lewis noises*
i think the still-silver arrow was a great device but the execution was rushed due to Kubo's waning health at the time. If he had more time to work it in it would've been a satisfying ending
I really like that he gave it to Uryu. While it was his wife, it was Uryu's mother. So in the end, Yhwarch is brought low by the sons of two he took the mothers from, who are carrying the will and hopes of all the realms and people with them now to stop his plan.
10:00 I am convinced we saw that scene before in the Anime. Actually that was the moment Uryu decided to reject his father and never become a doctor, because he could not understand why he was doing it.
Meaning when he _is_ a doctor 10 years later, it shows him accepting that moment.
I like the arrowhead and the backstory of Uryu’s mom I think it’s a perfect way to close that arc
I hope we get a fight sequence leading up to the firing of the Silver Arrow where the only ones left are Ichigo, Isshin, Uryu, and Ryuken where both father and son pairs use Bankai and Letzt Stil respectively for the last stand against Ywach
The silver arrow is actually very fitting. Yhwach is made to look like Dracula thru the whole thing. Very Vlad Tepesh. He's a vampire who feeds on the souls of his progeny to regain stregnth. I guess that is the basics of it, he's a vamp, get's weakened by silver, dies.
Well, someone said that Yuha was an expy of the devil and the loose (or true) meaning of the Dracula name in Wallachian is "son of the devil", so this one fits like a Sternritter glove.
These videos really make understand that I speedread Bleach back in the day.
I like the Still Silver arrow thematically and as a plot device, but it was absolutely rushed, and it was used in such a way to rob us of a better Ywach fight with more characters involved.
As for Ryuken's plan, I personally think that a huge reason he was able to work on it under the radar is because Ywach could not comprehend a Quincy hating him for taking back his power from a loved one.
I want to point out that Ichigo losing his soul reaper power via final Getsuga Tenshou was foreshadowed by how Ishida similarly lost his powers battling Kurtotsuchi through the Quincy variant which produced much the same effect.
Is the same fucking attack
Practically Saigo no Getsuga Tensho was Ichigo's own version of Quincy: Letzt Stil.
I loved Ryuken at first but it just feels so much lost potential. When He saved his son with just 1 arrow and BOOM destroyed that High speed Regen Hollow I lost it man SO GOOD!!!!
I think that there needs to be some sort of scene of ishine and uryu's dad joining up and then talking about their feelings about the Quincy king and there is still one final part of the making of the arrow that needs to be done to finish it, so they meet up with urahara to finish it. They finish it and then run of to kill the Quincy king but get stoped by a powerful Quincy and so pass it to uryu to finish the job, then we get to see ishine s banki and those two have a bad ass fight scene stoping the Quincy from warning the king. I think that would be really cool to see as well as in a episode before this there is a flash back leading into this showing the process of making the arrow.
I want more Quincy on Quincy infighting.
I know a lot of people don’t like the ending, but I love it so much. I love how the silver came from a being that gave her whole life and soul to the quincies. I love that the arrow was made by a different being where everything he had was taken away by the quincies. And together they are the main reason the creator of the quincies dies is so…. AAAAAA it’s my favorite thing ever
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I’m looking forward to seeing more from Ryuken. I’m sure we’ll get more from him in the anime.
They better. This guy deserved a few fights. I was expecting him to fight ywach before being brutally killed
What if Isshın and Ryuken join the battle before?
I think they can take at least 3 Sterrnitter.
Ryuken alone could solo two of the, Isshin two, so make that a 5 SRs.
I don't see how. Ryuken is just a generic Captain Class Quincy without a schrift or Volsterndig. He doesn't even have a Letz Stil glove to use. He would be fodder to any Sternritter
@@corruptangel6793 you don't know that for sure at all
@@Crunchysopa52 technically true, but we know he didn't receive communion, so the chances of him achieving a Schrift on his own is near nil. We knew he's not part of the current gen Sternritter, so no Volsterndig. We are told by Haschwalth that there was only 1 Letz Stil glove Uryu's grandfather stole and Uryu already used it. So those two things are certain.
As for powerlevel, I'm being generous assuming he's Captain class purely on him being an adult. We have nothing on him beyond that. But there's no way he's anything beyond low 3rd grade captain at his age. Not unless there's some secret method the quincy have to vastly increase powerlevel in a minute amount of time (outside of communion with Yhwach obviously), which we have no reason to assume.
@@corruptangel6793 Teenage Ryuuken was already Captain Level, as he's most certainly stronger than Masaki and she held her own against White, which Isshin was having a hard time with, in shikai.
I wonder if the arrowhead has a direct tie to Pernida and Mimihagi. Most of Yhwach's powers and actions are about advancement and his motives seem to actively negate the value of stillness. Auswalhen is a power that enables advancement, similar to the powers of advancement the Soul King possessed through his left arm, Pernida. However, the Soul King possessed the power of stillness as well in his right arm, Mimihagi. I wonder if the silver created by Auswalhen represents the fact Yhwach is still subject to the power of stillness, even if he attempts to discard it. Furthermore, stillness seems to be a power that protects or avenges those who would be destroyed by the reckless advancement desired by Yhwach. One could argue then that the arrowhead represents Yhwach's failure to embrace both sides of the Soul King's legacy. By abusing Auswalhen, Yhwach rejects the power of stillness, thus making himself vulnerable to its effects.
Ryuken is such a cool character and I was always so disappointed that he was so sparsely used. If they could flesh him out more, I'd be so happy. I mean, for the most part, all we've ever seen from him is his weirdly abusive behavior toward Uryu. I do appreciate that he loved his wife, but what would truly make me happy is to see him show more to him. Like, maybe even show happy memories of little Uryu, Katagiri, and him so we can fully understand his grief. Show how much he cares for her and maybe even feeling empathy for a young Uryu who can't understand why his mom is dead which is what becomes his motivation. His vengeance. I'd especially love it if he and Isshin were shown battling some of the Sternritter there. Like, maybe they see Uryu and try to stop him so they get involved? Or maybe their presence alone motivates the Sternritter to attack them. Just something besides them delivering the arrow since Ryuken is LITERALLY wearing his Quincy garb for the first time since Everything But the Rain.
I wish we knew how strong Ryuken really is ..I wanted to see him fight.
he will win his first on-panel fight even if it's against yamamoto because beginners Ruck
What the anime really needs is just to give more build up to still silver. Maybe even throw some flashbacks of Ryuken discussing it with Soken. Just not right before the final battle but earlier. And that would be more than enough.
What really is needed is an explanation on how Souken knew about it. Because as it is, he is just shown, and describes how it works, and that's it. But how would he possibly have known that? It would help even more feel less out of nowhere.
the missed potential of this arc will always make me cry
It’s not that serious
@@godreap3820 sorry just can't help myself
@@TheDAWBOG I understand my fault
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Thematically it kinda works but yeah it needed more connective tissue, hopefully the anime would at least give a better throughline to have this story beat flow a bit better.
I always felt we should've seen more with the lineage of Soken, Ryuken and Uryu.
I felt the flashback should've been a young Soken and Haschwalth, and then have Ryuken be the double agent playing the long con against Yhwach and have Uryu be isolated and emotionally conflicted on the whole situation.
Until Ryuken comes around later and fills him in on the plan, making it clearer what Yhwach's blindspot is
If it's good enough for Ganon it's good enough for Yhwach
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I would love to see ryuken join uryu in his fight against haschwolf (definitely misspelled lol)
Just noticed that when Auschwallen happened, both Isshin and Ryuken lost their wives almost at the same time and Ryuken lost his first and last love as well. Poor Ryu-chan🥲
I like all the stuff they have been adding and the arrow is definitely something the should add more to
Another moment of foreshadowing could be other quincies using material for arrow heads. It's hard for me to say how effective this would be but I think it would fit
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I did always feel like Juua Bach suffered from the Madara syndrome. However, in comparison, I like how the silver arrow was implemented vs how Madara was plot armored to death because he was too strong. Not saying the arrow isn't plot armor but l, I feel it was presented better even if it was very short.
Yeah man, both are presented way too strong. Ichigo may have the possibility to do it with True Bankai, but was taken away in a page.
To be honest, the arrow be able to hit Yhwach is still a plot hole and I can throughly explain without any type of headcannon speculation
During chapter 684 When Uryu came to shoot the arrow at Yhwach, Yhwach had no recollection of what it was (The Arrow) that was coming at him; he stated, “What is this” he would’ve known what it was if the almighty was activated but for some reason it miraculously wasn’t. Even if you disregard that he can change a variety of futures to suit him so why didn't he change the future to the one where Uryu wouldn't be able to shoot him?
If you say he can't do that then how do you explain him changing the future to break ichigos bankai. Not only that but Yhwach should’ve been able to foresee Uryu’s actions with the almighty regardless if the auswählen didn’t work on him as what some people might say, because when the almighty was transferred to Haschwalth he foresaw that Uryu was going to do a betrayal towards them and even foresaw how he was going to respond to Ichigo in chapter 661. The silver arrow has the power to temporarily stop yhwachs powers that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been visible for Yhwach to see it within the future something like how he couldn’t forsee the soul kings right arm.
The antithesis had absolutely nothing to do with Yhwachs death. It’s just a clear plot hole. The reason as to why the antithesis is a counter to the almighty is only the because if Yhwach was to break a sword through the almighty Uryu would just reverse the effects to where the sword didn’t break. It’s like a recovery ability. It’s a counter because it can undo any damage inflicted on something that not only Yhwach with his almighty does but also what anyone does in general.
Fair point. Just wish it rearranged or used in different so that a bigger final battle was still needed.
To be honest, I was hoping the final fight included the strongest hollow, quincy & ichigo fighting yhwach bach. It would be nice to see them show the desperation of all races trying to fight someone from destroying all their worlds. Just something I thought would be cool. It would be awesome if Orihime heals Nell's head wound and she goes full force.
until TYBW arc, i thought Ryuken was Ishida's odler brother. but i might not have paid enough attention to the OG series
Ryuken @ Uryu when he wants to know about Quincy things "this doesn't concern you."
Kubo @ ryuken while writing an entire arc about the quincies "this doesn't concern you."
Ryuken on the outside: "..."
Ryuken on the inside: ATTACK AND DETHRONE GOD
Thematically him being killed by the arrow (an representation of his power) is fitting. In a lot of mythology (particularly Greek mythology) heroes undoing is often their hubris, particularly heroes that were the children of Gods. Not to mention it plays into the idea that “Only a God could harm a God,” as gods should be so far beyond mortals that mortals couldn’t touch them. So it’s fitting that the mortals had to harness the power of a God to harm him and that they essentially had to make him fall from godhood, if even for only a second, to defeat him. As a mortal shouldn’t be able, under any circumstances be able to harm a god.
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Here's my weird take.
Instead of Ryuken coming with the finished arrow, he should have came with the unfinished one and we get father and son moment, while they are doing that, Isshin heads out to Ichigo to help him with Yhwach, where both of them give us their father and son Bankai and double Getsuga for old times sake(it did not happen during the old times). Then the father son arrow moments fired by Uryu, Then a dialog during or after fight of three of them, Isshin, Ichigo and Aizen, addressing the elephant in the room.
I know it's an Overused trope but we needed a very very feel good moment between Ishida and Kurosaki family, it gives me fuzzy feelings in my tum tum.
It was bullshit that isshin didn’t bother to check on ichigo when they arrived at the palace .
I do think it was sent out of nowhere but the ideas of the arrow are very cool
that arrow is kubo writing himself out of a corner. when he made ywach able to choose to win when he loses with no cost to himself, infinitely, and at will he made any fight with him unwinnable.
Glad you're over 200k. I hope you stay well
its been so long since I read the manga, I completely forgot about this aspect of the story. I feel like I should go back and revisit the manga.
Here's hoping Ryuken gets more in the anime. I'm not sure if you've already done it but I'd love to see your thoughts and such on Kazui (particularly his whole thing with Yhwach) so many years later. The one thing I still don't quite understand is why Uryu didn't die when his mother did as he is by all accounts of mixed blood too.
It was because of his schrift, the Antithesis. This is why Yhwach said to Uryuu that he had the ability to surpass his own powers, because he was passively and unknowing rejecting the Almighty and its powers. hope this answers your question!! :D
Honestly, I’d love to have scene Ryuken fight a sternritter.
As always this breakdown is well said. Ryuken is an underrated character and although he’s shown very little, he does play a crucial role. It just needs a lot more expansion. Kubo better have Ryuken and isshin assist during the final battles in some way. We’ve never seen Ryuken face a powerful opponent
Would really be nice to see Ryuken go all out someday, he's got that really dashing vibe
I actually love the arrowhead, the symbolism of an arrowhead having three point and representing Ryuken, kanae and Uryu is beautiful both physically as shown in the panel and as a symbol.
Kinda interesting how much Odin and Yhwach have in common.
Seeing lots more of Ryuken in the anime adaptation is already making these final key moments with the ending even more impactful in my honest opinion. I really cannot wait for the near future :)
Just like you said, the arrow doesn't have to be foreshadowed in previous arc or anything. As long as we get some clues in TYBW, it's not deus ex machina.
Hopefully they give this some more spotlight didn’t realize till I watched cour 1 that if anyone would have beef besides isshin it was ryuken after yawach killed his wife
I always got the impression that deadlines outpaced Kubo’s ability to plan his storytelling, which is unfortunate.
As long as they explain why the arrow can actually render him powerless, and give it a little more of foreshadowing I would be pleased.
“What was he cooking?”
I like the arrow as a plot device, but I do agree that is should have gotten more foreshadowing
i'm very much in agreement that something needs to be done to expand on the arrow. It does have that bit of foreshadowing but not enough imo. I also agree that it should stay in the anime, it just needs to be expanded upon.
I like the idea of Mayuri collecting still silver, just to prepare in the future. 😅 imagine getting Silver from Gerald's Heart, will that be big? Will that be something else because it's reios heart? What about an Asauchi Zanpakuto made of still silver? A lot of what ifs and possibilities.
They have to elaborate on this in anime when revealed because a literal silver bullet really dampened my feelings for bleach when it happened.
The problem is Ishida's dad was used just like Ichigo's throughout the series. Their fathers had clearly formed some sort of bond to watch over their children and it wouldn't surprise me that they were working together all along.
That being said, in a finale, this is the kind of thing you want to go back and address so that it doesn't seem like a deus ex machina.
Alas, Kubo and planning.
The silver arrow wouldn't be so bad if it was better planned and explained. Due to the way it was included, it feels like a rushed deus ex machina that's needed to defeat Yhwach and end the story immediately.
I can list a bunch of reasons why I despise the arrow, but to keep it short, here's a few. If anyone wishes to see more, I'll add them:
1. Little to no foreshadowing or hints.
2. Inconsistency of the Auswahlen.
3. Ruins Ichigo's true zanpakuto's importance.
4. Lack of knowledge or information.
5. Makes an already rushed final battle even worse.
I'm glad the anime is including more details, and hopefully continues to add more to justify the silver arrow's existence.
Fair point.
3. Ruins ichigo’s zanpakto importance
That was a major fuck up by Kubo before we even got the arrow . Kubo crossed a line by having ywach be so powerful that he could just destroy a chunk of ichigo’s power in the blink of an eye . I KNEW ywach was gonna be defeated by a dues ex machina .
Yhwach breaking ichigo’s sword was one of kubo’s stupidest decisions
I always liked Ryuken. Cool characters
What bothers me is that Ywach didn't see the arrow coming, despite seeing all possible futures. It's possible that he wasn't able to see that future specifically because he lost his powers in it, but that really needed to be explained.
I hope they change it a bit to make more sense. Like Aizen noticing Uryuu trying to hit Yhwach with something special and use Kyouka Suigetsu for a bit just to disorienting Yhwach a bit so it can hit
I always thought the arrow thing was weird, maybe even silly.
Wouldn’t the Almighty override Uryu’s antithesis ability? If Yhwach can see infinite futures, why didn’t he see the one where Uryu uses Antithesis and shoots him in the back?
Then again, you need something like this when the villain is THIS overpowered.
It's a deus ex machina, kubo fucked up and wrote himself into a corner by making ywach so hax .
He didn’t use the antithesis against Yhwach.
@@0eyes because he had similar character design as yhwach and old man zangetsu.
@@bqw2094 Yeah. By all accounts, he should’ve seen the arrow coming but didn’t for some reason.
@@RACH90810 That has nothing to do with my comment.
Are ichigo and uryuu related? Ryuken is ichigos mothers cousin so wouldn’t that make the two guys related or am I missing something?
I do think the arrow would be a lot more interesting if there was more than one, gathered after the countless Quincy deaths, then iryuu just supports ichigo with them for the entire final fight
The whole thing explains ryukens anti quincy stance a lot more than the whole there is no profit in it.
The idea was sound, but the execution was rushed. I would love if it was foreshadowed at least a little more. We can hope the anime will do just that.
Neat thing about anime. It can extend that final battle by several episodes if they want to
A plot device. Ryuken's arrow was a plot device.
Love your content. Your passion is inspiring!
I know this is fanfic territory but i wish that the three abilities ichigo had was broken up between ichigo, yuzu and karin. Ichigi could still have his soul reaper abilities but karin could have a hallow mask or just a black eye when she gets mad and yuzu could get Quincy abilities bc i always felt that she was a support character more then a sibling to ichigo. I huess i wish the twins got more screen time.
I also wish tatsuki had abilities like chad and orohime sense the two were friends sense they were 5 while ichigo and chad only knew each other for a year before the plot began. Regardless great video as always, ryuken is unfortunately underrated.
now that i think about since yhwach was able to see futures and alter them or something even going to future and breaking ichigos bankai i kinda can see why the arrow was introduced basically last minute as to say this is one future possibility he didnt see or overlooked
FACTS i truly hope they dont change that ending!
I feel like it could've been implemented better. I mean by the final arc we've been introduced to Ryuuken investigating the cause of his wife's death, two Fullbrings that can theoretically counteract Ywach's fate manipulation together but lack the power behind them to meaningfully do it, two absolutely genius mad scientists, a master spiritual weaponsmith, and even a bunch of Quincy that were just killed by the selection.
The apologists damage control this by saying kubo was rushed , but kubo should not have waited until the last minute to put ryuken back into the story . I've already said how the Ishida men were wasted , so hopefully the anime can fix kubo's fuckups and show some backstory of souken along with some proper character development for ryuken.
Sooo much damage control
The anime is actually looking really good and I’m actually enjoying the story this time, but it was legitimately a chore to read during that last arc all of those years ago.
I dropped manga and anime almost altogether as a result.
That was two to three years of messiness in that endless arc and people say that Kubo was rushed.
It’s the ultimate cop out when it comes down to Kubo’s creative failings because nobody wants to call out a single fuck up from him
@@jatribbett ikr. It's so annoying how some fans will blame shonen jump , the editors, and even the fans , but never hold kubo accountable. Kubo had some really bad habits and made alot of bad decisions that can't be excused with " he was rushed or sick". There are also alotmof inconsistencies in bleach, and the fans would be like " maybe kubo forget " I bet he didn't forget but was just hoping the fans would forget .
@@bqw2094 bro, no matter what it was, the fans want to see him as a genius
Now, I’ve always loved his extracurricular works because it shows you his skill in design, but everything else he’s done is fundamentally flawed
@@bqw2094 and not only that, we see that Toriyama is a bit of an airhead for forgetting characters like Launch, but he was not such an egregious offender to the point where there’s such a huge schism amongst fans and former fans
@@jatribbett I've always said that kubo should have gotten a writing partner, cause he clearly bit off more than he could chew trying to do the art and the story. The artsyle improved while the story lost its quality .
The term here would be poetic justice. For yhwack to have all of his powers that he gained stripping quincys or their life. Only to have it turned on him and to rip everything he stole from him
Ryuken is one of the coolest character in Bleach, I hope he gets more screen time in the anime!
I honestly hope that we get to see more episodes in the anime that fills in more gaps and that we get to see Ishin and Ryuken battle together
if there is something wrong, it was Ryuken and Isshin didn't have lots of screen time/battle.
Like they popped up in a War that could end all and just stay still relying on their kids.
1. Ryuuken should've gotten more story time. At the very least, some sorta real heartfelt moment with Uryu. Maybe even a bit of a battle against Isshin to settle their "rivalry".
2. The still silver...ehh, it sucked, but what else could Kubo have done? Mans wrote himself into a corner with how BUSTED Yuuha Bach is. 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️ On the other hand, here's a bit of speculation: what if that one chunk Ryuuken extracted from Katagiri wasn't the only one he'd obtained?? For him to have forged an arrowhead, he probably would've needed two or even three chunks of the stuff.
Hey, thinking about ryuken, ranking of the smartest Bleach characters would be a nice episode
Will you do a video series on the history of noble clans of soul society?