@@MissSimone02 Right. A large amount of the characters wouldn't exist. No Aerys on the throne means Brandon Stark lives. Brandon lives, Ned doesn't marry Cat. Which means Rob and the other Stark children are never born and replaced by Brandon and Cat's children. It's amazing how one little detail can change everything.
I highly doubt she would agree to legitimise him, she kinda thought that Jon can usurp his brothers, but she could atlest treat him normally(she was a bitch in book). He would be second in line after robb if legitimized. He would stay in Winterfell and not go to Wall. Tyrion would not know about Bran injury and would not help him with riding-Bran never meets Osha-she did not help him to "escape from Winterfell" after Theon captured it. He and Rickon wouldl be taken as hostages to Iron Isles. Jon would accompany his brother and friend Robb during war. He would fight alongside Robb(which is kinda risky if both of them could die). He could meet Jaime in fight during battle of Whispering Wood, it would be intresting to see who will win in swordfight. Jon is better fighter than Robb, but not so good as Jaime. Unless Jon's warg ability kicks in and he orders ghost to attack Jaime, he has no chance against him.
What if Jon stayed with the Wildlings? Or What if Jon killed Littlefinger in the crypts of Winterfell? Or What if Arya was the one stuck in King's Landing and Sansa was the one who escaped.
then both Arya and Sansa would died sansa as at that point she didn't have what it would have taking to survive and Joffrey would likely have take arya's head alongside ned's...... this may have lead to the lannisters lossing the war as Robb would have taking Jamie's head and march for kinglanding with nothing to stop him and pure hate for all things lannister
I forgot another what if to add. What if Varys somehow figured out Jon's true parentage before the events of either the show/books. Though I figure Arya wouldn't last if her and Sansa swapped, cause Arya would kill Joffrey the moment she has one.
Arya can't escape as in the scenario she was already caught. but if Varys found out then he would strengthening the north and make sure that the north and it's allies find out. Lyra will die to make sure the Vale supports the north as they would have if she was out of the way. Vary's at heart is a Targ loyalist he sent assassins to the Targ with one hand and made sure they failed with the other. ned may survive but may not
Sansa gets captured by random men and probably beat , raped and killed. Arya would kill or try to kill Jofferey and be killed for that. (If Jofferey took her to see Neds head she would've pushed him off the bridge thing to his death and her being killed. ) The North kills Jamie and Marches right through the south taking Castllyrock and Stannis then would take Kingslanding as Tywin would be occupied by the Rob and his forces.
Rhaegal had died before he had a chance to be king. He had a son and they considered giving him the throne but the council feared he would inherit his fathers crazy so they skipped him. Also it's ironic that Aegon the 5th was the 4th son of Maekar who was the 4th son of Daeron the good.
Haseeb Hafeez If she can’t talk down Cerci from blowing up the sept then I would imagine she would take the throne after Tommen dies and Dorne would side with her when Daenerys comes since she is betrothed to Tristane Martell and in this scenario he would still be alive. And since we know the Tarlys join the Boltons and Frey club of backstabbing their high lords Daenerys would come to westeros with almost no allies.
The oldest maester in the country and definitely the most brilliant. I wonder what would have happened if he would have accepted the role of Archmaester. Would the realm have prospered without the yes-man Pycelle, or would Aemon have been at the mercy of the Mad King?
I‘m not sure Jon would even exist in this scenario though. Would Rhaegar and Lyanna have fallen in love if he was just a random Targaryen and not the crown prince? Also, even if Jon did exist, he wouldn‘t have been Jon Snow. Robert‘s Rebellion wouldn‘t have happened because even if Rhaegar and Lyanna had run away together, Aemon would never have killed Rickard and Brandon Stark like the Mad King did. And so Rhaegar wouldn‘t have died at the Battle of the Trident and he probably would have been there when Jon was born. There would have been no reason for Ned to take him in and raise him as his bastard. Which means he would have been raised as a Targaryen and probably wouldn‘t have joined the Night‘s Watch. And many of the characters wouldn‘t exist: Catelyn would have married Brandon and not Ned, so none of the Stark children would have been born. I‘m not sure that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen would exist because Cersei wouldn‘t have married the king and therefore wouldn‘t have lived in King‘s Landing but with whomever she married. Jaime would probably not have been a Kingsguard, so he would have stayed at Casterly Rock. And even if they did exist, they wouldn‘t have been raised as Baratheons, so they might have turned out to be a lot different.
That is assuming Jon really is so of Rhaegar and Lyanna. That was a fan theory that the show used when they ran out of source material. Jon may not be a Targaryen. But I do like that storyline. I like it when Bran said that Jon had never been a bastard. He's the heir to the Iron Throne. A great reveal.
I think Aemon wouldn't have married, Egg had already married a Blackwood and had some children when the Great Council convened (if I remember the WOIAF correctly) so the line was secure already. Under your scenario with Egg as Hand and heir presumptive, he doesn't have to make arranged marriages for his sons to get Lord Paramounts on their side so no ill feelings will occur for any broken engagements and subsequent rebellions. Essentially, save for Olenna Tyrell and a few other older characters, no one we know from ASOIAF will exist.
Matt Ries this was my line of thinking. When I said that it would change literally everything, I mean the whole story would cease to exist! There would be no rebellion in the stormlands, no broken betrothals, no summerhall, no Rhaegar, and thus no Roberts Rebellion.
A few notes 1) If we do this scenario we have to at least try and find a potential queen. Seeing as how succession is so important for kings and all. 2) one of the main reasons he lived so long was because he was out of the way and not a hindrance to anyone's plans. 3) without him at the wall giving guidance not just to the lord commander but all of the men the decline of the watch may have come faster. 4) I believe that the weight of being king would have probably caused him great mental stress and probably lead to him to an untimely death
In the loving care of Thorne and no one to protect him, he would die. However Thorne got there because he fought for Targaryens during Robert's Rebellion so hmm.
Except that Randyll would not have been the head of House Tarly and Samwell would not have it near as bad. The original heir was killed at the battle of Summerhall.
Biggest issue/change/divergence from this is while Aemon might have allowed the Targaryen Tradition of marrying brother and sister he's also a educated man at this point he's going to at least be aware more so than most in Westeros that the madness his family has is more than likely because of this and while his children and nephews/niece might continue the practise and everyone who is born in the books/show is born might he not name the one who DIDN'T pick a sibling to marry, Rhaegar picked Lyanna Stark because he loved her that will clean out the bloodline somewhat and might make Rhaegar named as the heir to the throne. The only downside is when Aemon dies you get a Dance of Dragons scenario and the kingdoms suffer because of the civil war of the Targaryens you'll still either end up with few and far between of that house. Also it will bind the North and Riverlands to the Crown and possible Dorne if Ned marries Ashara Dayne or even Elia Martell throw in Robert for good measure because Robert despite everything still loves Lyanna is a pretty strong alliance to deal with and Tywin will probably join because he can see the benefits of being indebted by a young King like Rhaegar. Thats just my theory anyway
Martel Chestnut What about the knight of the laughing tree, robert betrothal to lyanna, rheagar married to elia martell because she has some little targaryen blood in her? If robert was born as a girl then she would be betrothal to prince rheagar, but there is a problem, there is this thing known as Janney of oldstone, rheagar might run away with lyanna and pissing off lord baratheon ( robert's dad)?
Who said he had to marry Elia? Remember Aemon is the king in this what if. Now do agree with robert if he was born a she, but then again Lyanna father, Rickard was kinda of ambitious lord so I wouldn't be surprised if he marry her off to rheagar to be close to the throne.I think he could gain more with Lyanna being married to the future king. But that's just my opinion. Robert could still marry Lyanna or not. Anything could happen with Aemon as king.
Nice vid and an interesting thought experiment. The big thing you missed though is the way that the timeline shakes up and the lineages change. Aemon on the throne it is realistic to assume that the Targaryen's line shakes out as predicted. Aerys is nuts but still has Raeghar, Dani, and Viserys. Raeghar still has 2+ kids but likely the 3rd is not with lyanna stark. No mad king means no tournament at harrenhall, no tournament means raeghar and lyanna never meet and thus no jon snow. No tower of joy hookup means neds older brother marries katlyn and gets winterfell, lyanna marries robert and goes to storms end. Ned most likely marries Ashara Dayne and thus no rob, arya, sansa, rikkon, or bran. If Aemon has no kids of his own then he probably designates Raeghar as his heir and everything continues on its happy way. That doesn't even begin to consider how the other house inter marriages might change things. Maybe Circe marries Raeghar. Maybe Viserys marries Elia Martell. If there is no greyjoy rebellion then no knoghthood for Jorah, so who maries into the hightower family then? Its a crazy domino effect.
xrx0R 9 She didn't have enough time, allies or resources to take on the Sparrows or the Tyrells. If the wild fire didn't blow, I think she has 3 routes to take. Stay in the Red Keep with her loyal guards protecting it and she has Tommen as her hostage. Fleeing the city in a similar fashion as Sansa did after Joffery's assassination. Or going to the Sept to face the charges laid against her, which is probably death, exile, house arrest, etc.
This is good, lots of butterflies. The next thing I can see is Nymeria going for Joffrey's throat, she'll never be 'tame' with Arya dying. And then all hell breaks loose at Darry.
Lord Oberyn Martell if you ever meet prince rheagar, would you say to him like this you scorned my sister, you left her childrens for another woman's love, you caused this war and insult dorne, something like when you fighted against the mountain?
Another great video. One small correction, though: Prince Baelor's death wasn't the result of a joust, but a Trial of Seven (a rare, older variation of a Trial by Combat where seven knights fight seven knights honoring the Seven Gods of the Sept). Sadly, his death could only have been caused by his brother Prince Maekar while fighting afoot. Prince Baelor's only other opponents were knights of the Kingsguard, whose vows forbade them from harming a member of the royal family. Nearly 100 years later, Maekar's son, Maester Aemon shared his family memories with Samwell: "And my father... he never thought the throne would pass to him, and yet it did. He used to say that was his punishment for the blow that slew his brother. I pray he found the peace in death that he never knew in life."
Excellent video, my friend, but I do feel the need to speak up for Egg. He wasn't stupid. He understood that he needed the nobility onside to make his reforms - that's why he and Betha arranged the betrothals. It wasn't just because he thought the incest did more harm than good. Unfortunately, Egg the father came into conflict with Aegon the king. It's NOT like he and Betha didn't try to stop the kids from breaking the betrothals, but they came by their stubbornness honestly. I saw somewhere (can't recall where) a quote: "Egg was too much of a softie to go full Tywin on his kids." There's plenty that can be said about what the family could and couldn't have done, but I just feel as though Egg gets an undeserved bad rap where this is concerned. With all those options closed to him, *that* led him to become the proverbial well-intentioned extremist wanting to bring back the dragons. A couple of other things to point out/ask, as well: in this scenario, House Baratheon never comes by a claim on the throne. As you'll recall, Lyonel, understandably, went beyond being angry: he renounced his allegiance to the throne and rose in rebellion, declaring himself a new Storm King (at which point Argilac Durrandon likely rolled over in his grave, at someone named BARATHEON calling himself a STORM KING :D). He didn't bend the knee again until Dunk defeated him in single combat, Prince Duncan renounced his claim to the throne, and...Aegon and Betha's youngest daughter Rhaelle went to Storm's End to be a companion for Lady Baratheon and marry their son Ormund when they reached marrying age. (Hmmm, I wonder if Tywin ever noted that Egg did NOT order *every single Baratheon* put to the sword in retaliation for Lyonel's rebellion, and if he, Walder, and Roose noted that the Baratheons don't EVER seem to have contemplated harming Rhaelle once her parents sent her to Storm's End in good faith and they gave her the protection of guest right. But I digress! :D) Also, whom do you think Aemon would have married in this scenario? As you mention, he would have needed offspring. Would he have married Daella or Rhae? As you will know, a certain line in *The World of Ice and Fire* has led to heavy speculation that one of them married into House Tarth. And if not dynastic incest, then what? Cheers!
Daella and Rhae are both sisters that have disappeared from the family line Grrm will not tell us if they had children and who were their husbands. Were they kill in the Summer hall too?
That's the $1000000 question, isn't it? They do seem to be the likeliest candidates to be Brienne's Targaryen ancestor, as they are the only two Targaryens that we *know* married and had offspring, but whose spouses and children are mysteriously unaccounted for.
I still wish for a video about what if either the full kingsguard was at the trident, or the best 3 fighters where at the tower of joy, so i asume arthur, jaime & baristan (perhaps rhaegar too?)
I would like to see one based on if Rhaegar was successfully able to fulfill his plan to overthrow his father and become king.... In order for this to happen, I would think the following would need to occur... 1; He is able to get word, likely through Lyanna, to the Starks, telling them that she was not kidnapped, and that the two of them are married, before they go to King's Landing, thus saving them from their deaths at the hands of his father. 2; Rhaegar, Lyanna, and the Starks are able to make amends with Robert over the broken betrothal. 3; Rhaegar is able to bring the Martell in and convince that that his marriage with Lyanna was not designed to weaken their power or influence, and that his children with Elia are still his primary heirs. IF these three things happen, then Rhaegar would be in a postion to rebel against his father. He would absolutely have the North, Dorne, the Stormlands, and Riverlands on his side due to all of these kingdoms having close ties to either Rhaegar or to each other. And most if not all of the other Kingdoms would join with Rhaegar as well. I could see House Lannister, House Frey, House Greyjoy, and House Tyrell all siding with the mad King, at least until they knew which side would win. So, it would still be a pretty bloody war. The first move I think would be for Rhaegar to have himself crowned as King and proclaim that his father is unfit to rule. Perhaps the Maester who married him to Lyanna would crown him King and be named his Grand Maester.
I’m surprised this one hasn’t be asked yet. What if Dany still had all three of her dragons. I know the night king took out one of them (please don’t ask me which one I can’t remember) that he used to bring the wall down but if all three dragons were intact how would he take it down.
It is possible for things to turn out similar to GOT, assuming that Aemon rules, Egg would not rule, nor Eggs son Jaehaerys, but it could still pass to the mad king. Assuming either a) Aemon has no heirs by either them dying or him having no kids. b) Dance of Dragons 2 happens, with Eggs kids feeling cheated and claiming they were the rightful heirs since Aemon was previously a Maester. You could have everyone dying and Aerys II becoming king. C) Brenden Rivers is not sent to the wall initially, has children and starts another cadet branch, his heirs start a rebellion after aligning with the Blackfyre. Thus resulting in Brenden Rivers trying to stop his heirs but being unsuccessful and when Aemon wins, Brenden Rivers is sent to the wall, the Rivers and Blackfyre branches end, BR becomes the Raven just later. Aemon losing his errors gives the throne to Aerys II and retires do to old age and his health concerns. Aerys still goes mad but it is due to seeing all his family killed off and still has the same fear of plots against him. Goes crazy just like before, Aemon being blind and feeble at this point cannot stop him. Events play out as normal.
What if The Hound and Arya had been allowed to cross the Bloody Gate? Baelish would surely enjoy having two Stark siblings in his possession though Arya then wouldn’t join the Faceless Men, and perhaps The Hound’s paternal feelings towards Arya would be voiced if and when he discovered that Littlefinger was the acting Lord of the Vale, how this would change things moving forward etc.
Then Westeros is doomed, because this empire would one day invade westeros and the enslavement of the natives and colonisation of westeros, but some subjugated?
Great job, Kevin! It’s hard to imagine what it would’ve been like without the Mad King. You have to admit, in this story, he was the very definition of a necessary evil. My 16 year old daughter and I are going bonkers trying to avoid spoilers about The Last Jedi. We bought tickets as soon as they were available for pre-sale. Then I ended up needing surgery Friday morning, so we couldn’t go and don’t know when I’ll be able to, yet. What a bummer, huh? Anyway, thanks for the video and have a fantastic week! 🎄😊
Thanks Lisette! :) I have to wait for my girlfriend to come back home for me to see it :( She comes back Thursday. Sigh. I HOPE YOUR SURGERY WENT REALLY WELL!
TheBattProductions Aww... See? My husband isn’t the least bit bothered by having to wait. He’s a “saint”. But, that’s what love or in your case, very strong like does for those they care about....they’re patient. (Pardon the pun.) To be honest, my daughter has been super understanding and could’ve gone with friends, but to her, SW is a family thing, so she’s waiting until we can see as family unit. Thanks for the well wishes!
Among other things, an Elia/Jaime betrothal becomes quite likely, but the big mystery is whether or not she turns the tide in favour of a Rhaegar/Cersei match (or if, after the events of the anniversary tourney, she even wants to).
If Aemon was king then Steffon Baratheon probably wouldn’t have went to Volantis to try to find a bride with valyrian blood, so Steffon never would have died. If Steffon hadn’t died he would have raised Robert himself, and Stannis would have been sent to be fostered in the Vale (Robert was sent because he didn’t have his own father to raise him, and Ned was sent because he was the second son). So Ned and Robert wouldn’t have been friends and might not have even met.
I don't know if you've made this before, but what if Aegon the Conqueror never conquered Westeros? Do you think one of the other kingdoms would conquer westeros eventually or do you think they would be separate forever?
Well, among other things, we know that the storm kingdom was declining. As has been said, even a man as mighty as Argilac couldn't turn back the tide, only slow it. So, if Orys and the Targaryens hadn't come calling on them, it would have likely only been a matter of time before Harren the Black *did.* That said, I really do get the impression that Aegon had been looking for an excuse to take the seven kingdoms for years - it just ended up being Argilac that gave it to him.
James Gravil yeah they'd probably be one of the top candidates, but there is some juicy factors to consider lol. Like how the Iron Islands have hardy warriors but are also the smallest population in westeros. They conquered the Riverlands but they aren't exactly known for being great soldiers. So would House Hoare have enough soldiers to really conqueror another kingdom? Also Harren was getting pretty old at the time, so when he died would his successor be able to conquer a kingdom? My money would be on either the Gardeners or Lannisters. I would say Starks possibly but I don't really see the Starks as conquerors sadly. And the Martells I can't really see them being able to go on offensives, they seem to be adept at protecting Dorne however so who really knows. And house Durradon was definitely on a decline so they're pretty much out for now. And the Arryns, honestly who really knows, it seems like they have decent warriors but I'm not sure how strong they really are.
What if Jaime had ordered Crakehall to proclaim Viserys as King (in one of his POV chapters it's mentioned that Crakehall asked Jaime who to proclaim as king)
I liked this video, but I think one thing you didn't mention was that the mad king would most likely still be alive. Therefore would have had a bigger impact on Viserys and Danny, probably a negative effect.
Potentially -- we're still not totally sure what made the Mad King "Mad." We can assume being on the Iron Throne had a massive part in that, so I don't know if it would've been as negative as you may think.
In this same vein I know there was this one Targaryen King who had five children all betrothed to different houses and none of them followed through which is why the mad King was able to take the throne. I'm bad with names. Anyway I kind of want to know what would have happened if all five of those betrotheles had gone through
@@TheBattProductions okay I looked it up it was Aegon the 5th. From what I understood his oldest son married a common girl and one of his kids was actually engaged to the queen of thorns. Another two of his kids ended up falling for each other that's where the mad King comes from and I'm not quite so sure about the 5th but regardless I am interested to see how you think this would have worked out if he had actually gotten all of this to go the way he planned it.
A pretty major change is that Ned doesn't marry Catlyn because Brandon does, so there's no Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran most importantly, or Rickon or if they do exist they are altered slightly by being Brandon's kids and not Ned's.
i think robert's rebellion would still happen because of llyana but they will not be able to sack kings landing most probably robert will be defeated by aemons army & ned would tell aemon about rheagar & llyana
Then Tyrion never goes to Westeros and Daenerys has to get someone else as her hand, she also loses his guidance, probably choosing ser Barristan as her hand, also the hound lives because he doesn’t fight Gregor at the end
The Greyjoy Rebellion had nothing to do with Robert's Rebellion or the Mad King really, it was just Balon Greyjoy not wanting to be a vassal of the Iron Throne, which he was at that point, so yes, the Greyjoy Rebellion would have happened either way, although it might've been changed as after Robert's Rebellion sorta made the two sides of the war dislike eachother, they might've been more united under Aemon's reign and so Balon would've been crushed, I expect that the same people would've died (Balon's two sons) And maybe Theon or Asha was taken, doesn't matter who, I always liked the what-if of Asha being taken instead of Theon.
Aemon would take the threat of the Others more seriously as well although he would insist on proof and have one of his advisors look in on it to confirm if possible.
Why does everyone think Jon is the prince that was promised not Dany? Jon was never really a prince he was literally born a king. Also what if when Ned was awaiting execution and when Ned asked if he can smuggle him out of Kings Landing Varys said yes?
Hey! Cool vid ! I’m wondering if Aemon would have accepted a marriage between Cersei & prince Rhaegar? Not sure if anyone has asked this there are so many comments.. I’m assuming maybe? Because Daenerys still would have been muuch too young. Elia would live & Oberyn too.
IF AMEON IS KING,, THERE IS NO JON...HERE'S WHY. PROPHESY... AYRES NEVER BECOMES KING THERE FOR HE NEVER MARRIES HIS SISTER, SO" THE PRINCE THAT WAS PROMISED" NEVER HAPPENS...AND EVEN IF ARYES DOSE HAVE CHILDREN,, THE SON THAT WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE REAGAR, IS NOT IN POSITION HAVE ACCESS TO THE SKROLLS WHICH IS HOW HE LEARNED OF THE PROPHECY, SO HE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN INSPIRED TO BECOME A GREAT KNIGHT, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE WON THE TERNEY AT HARENHAL,,, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE PLACED THE BLUE ROSES IN LEANNA STARKS LAP AND THERE FOR HE WOULD NOT NEED TO WOOW HER TO GET MARRIED AND TRY TO MAKE A 3RD CHILD BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT BE ON THE MISSION OF HAVING 3 HEADS OF THE DRAGON...AND ALSO I BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT JON,, THE KNIGHT KING STAYS IN THE LAND OF ALWAYS WINTER... OH AND WITHOUT ARYES THERE IS ALSO NO DEANERYS... YEAH, I KNOW I MAY HAVE MISSPELLED EVERY TARGARYAN NAME IN THIS POST...LOL
I'm not sure if Jon would have gone to the Wall if Aemon was king. Because when Robert came to Winterfell to get Ned as his Hand and they had the feast, that's when Benjen came down from the Wall. I wonder if Benjen hadn't been there to take Jon if he still would have gone.
Umm i think there would still be dragons, since it was still a tradition to keep a dragons egg in the crip of the targarian liniage and as such i dont think the funuaral pyre was what awoke the dragons, it increased the speed of the process but i do think it would have happened either way
Missed a candidate, Prince Maegor (son of Aerion) was a candidate after his own father but was overlooked as they feared, even as a babe, that he may have inherited his father's madness - his namesake, given by his wonderful father, furthering the bad omen for the bub so Aerion's brothers were looked to instead.
The problem with the whole “Aemon wouldn’t have killed the Starks” thing is that Aemon would need to still be king. You might think that the Tragedy of Summerhall wouldn’t have happened under Aemon, but I’d argue it’s MORE likely. Aemon and Rhaegar communicated back and forth on a ton of topics, but the one that applies here is that Aemon looks at the Tragedy of Summerhall and says “oh look! They were so close! In fact you were conceived that night, Rhaegar! Coincidence? I don’t see one.” *pause for laughter* And they continue correspondence on the matter. Now, would it have gone down exactly the same? Hard to say. Some of the factors at play would have been Aemon’s children and grandchildren. Seeing as the whole bag w/ Rickard and Brandon wasn’t Egg, but his grandson (son in the show) so we might assume that it’s Aemon’s grandson who is at play here. One additional issue that I think would show up with Aegon or Aemon either one is that the Lords around them seemed to be getting more powerful and more daring in developing their own powers in the political structure of the 7 Kingdoms. I would argue that neither brother showed much force on this front and later events like Duskendale seem unavoidable for both. I love Aemon. He’s my favorite character in the entire series. And Aegon is close after because I love the Dunk and Egg stories, but if I had to bet, I worry that Aemon wouldn’t be on the Iron Throne for that long. The Wise Maester is not the same as The Unlikely King. And that’s aside from the potential magicks of the Wall extending his life (maybe or maybe not). I just think he might not be quite as capable as we’d like him to be. Choosing the Wall is even debated as a decision he made or a decision made to keep him away from Oldtown and other Maesters who wanted nothing to do anyone who might be any little bit magical.
Would Aemon get married and have a son? Or would egg be his hier? I also do not think he would live to be as old because the cold preserves. But he could still have a long enough reign so if he quickly had an hier he would be of age with some training. I also think Egg would be a great hand. They had a good relationship.
The best thing Aemon could do would be peace in his lifetime and set up his children and grandchildren to intermarry other noble houses for the future. However the Targaryen dynasty was in a slow but steady decline since the loss of dragons. Aegon V wasn't really dumb in trying to bring them back he was right , just had a strong feeling Summerhal incident was an inside job and was purposely botched. The Targaryens were destined to fall one way or the other without dragons as no single House could hope to truly rule the 7 Kingdoms the way Aegon I, Viserys I and Jaehaerys I did.
what if Robert was promised to be married to Catelyn instead of Layanna........also side note the way your lights are the reflect off of your eyes so your pupils look white
That's a tricky one, not least because the text we are presented with raises a WHOLE lot of "Huh? What? How? Why?" One way or another (despite the fact that we KNOW she had friends in the Red Keep, as Criston's job was to take them into custody, and despite the fact that it's not clear if the time of Viserys' death being expected overlapped at all with time in which Rhaenyra could safely travel), it would seem that Rhaenyra was in the dark about her beloved father being close to death. Not clear how, but she clearly was. We do know, though, that Alicent had an informer ready to tell her - and her alone - when Viserys had died, and that she had instructed her household on what to do when the day came. So, to have such a scenario, we'd have to have Rhaenyra - or someone representing her - in King's Landing at the Red Keep MUCH sooner, and I'm just not sure how that could come about until we get the full story in *Fire and Blood*, and answers to my questions of just how she was able to be kept in the dark as she was.
I can't see Aemon living to the point of when Robert's Rebellion. He was 100 of the events of Game of Thrones started since it was the cold that kept him alive. When Jon sent Aemon with Sam south for his protection he very quickly got sick and died in Bravos. Therefore it would have most likely his children's reign if he had any, otherwise the crown would pass to some other Taragaryen like Aerys. I see this just being so hard to tell would Westeros would be like since he would have taken the throne in 233 AC and Robert's Rebellion was in 283 making a fifty year gap of unknown events.
Honestly I think it wouldn't change much. House Targaryen was destined to fall without dragons. It may not have been in Rhaegars generation but sooner or late it will happen. I think Aemon has wisdom beyond his years and thought that might as well give a failing dynasty to his younger brother.
most monarchies tend to fall in the real world because the people or parliament voted to make it a republic. before the Targs took power, some of the families, like Starks and Lannisters, had been kings for 8000 years. which is mind bogglingly longer than any real life monarchy could ever imagine. the oldest dynasty is in Japan and theyve been around for just under 1000 years. I think Targs will stay around, as long as there's no Mad Kings that are so mad that they screw up everything.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Starks and Lannisters indeed stayed as Kings for thousands of years but they only ruled one kingdom. The Targs can rule over 7 Kingdoms with dragons but without dragons..ehhh
Baelor Breakspear died before his children.. not after..nick picking i know .. But I still had let you know... Baelor's son Valorr stood watch over his body after he died
Aemon being king would literally change everything.
Absolutely
TheBattProductions I don't even think "a game of thrones" would be possible had Aemon been king. It would change absolutely everything.
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He would’ve been a good king, but then I wouldn’t have my castle!
@@MissSimone02 Right. A large amount of the characters wouldn't exist. No Aerys on the throne means Brandon Stark lives. Brandon lives, Ned doesn't marry Cat. Which means Rob and the other Stark children are never born and replaced by Brandon and Cat's children. It's amazing how one little detail can change everything.
What if Catelyn kept her promise to be a mother to Jon snow and had Ned legitimize him.
Oo0oo0o I like that! Would've made us like Cat better, that's for sure
Jose Landa Would he still leave even if his name had meaning?
I highly doubt she would agree to legitimise him, she kinda thought that Jon can usurp his brothers, but she could atlest treat him normally(she was a bitch in book). He would be second in line after robb if legitimized. He would stay in Winterfell and not go to Wall. Tyrion would not know about Bran injury and would not help him with riding-Bran never meets Osha-she did not help him to "escape from Winterfell" after Theon captured it. He and Rickon wouldl be taken as hostages to Iron Isles. Jon would accompany his brother and friend Robb during war. He would fight alongside Robb(which is kinda risky if both of them could die). He could meet Jaime in fight during battle of Whispering Wood, it would be intresting to see who will win in swordfight. Jon is better fighter than Robb, but not so good as Jaime. Unless Jon's warg ability kicks in and he orders ghost to attack Jaime, he has no chance against him.
chances are he would've ended up dead at the red wedding if all that happened
As a legitimate bastard, I think he would be the last in the line of succession of Winterfell, even after Sansa and Arya.
What if Jon stayed with the Wildlings?
Or
What if Jon killed Littlefinger in the crypts of Winterfell?
Or
What if Arya was the one stuck in King's Landing and Sansa was the one who escaped.
then both Arya and Sansa would died sansa as at that point she didn't have what it would have taking to survive and Joffrey would likely have take arya's head alongside ned's...... this may have lead to the lannisters lossing the war as Robb would have taking Jamie's head and march for kinglanding with nothing to stop him and pure hate for all things lannister
Cody Gamble Hmm what would Joffrey do I'm still pondering.
I forgot another what if to add.
What if Varys somehow figured out Jon's true parentage before the events of either the show/books.
Though I figure Arya wouldn't last if her and Sansa swapped, cause Arya would kill Joffrey the moment she has one.
Arya can't escape as in the scenario she was already caught. but if Varys found out then he would strengthening the north and make sure that the north and it's allies find out. Lyra will die to make sure the Vale supports the north as they would have if she was out of the way. Vary's at heart is a Targ loyalist he sent assassins to the Targ with one hand and made sure they failed with the other. ned may survive but may not
Sansa gets captured by random men and probably beat , raped and killed.
Arya would kill or try to kill Jofferey and be killed for that. (If Jofferey took her to see Neds head she would've pushed him off the bridge thing to his death and her being killed. )
The North kills Jamie and Marches right through the south taking Castllyrock and Stannis then would take Kingslanding as Tywin would be occupied by the Rob and his forces.
Rhaegal had died before he had a chance to be king. He had a son and they considered giving him the throne but the council feared he would inherit his fathers crazy so they skipped him. Also it's ironic that Aegon the 5th was the 4th son of Maekar who was the 4th son of Daeron the good.
Yup
Also Maekar was not hit in the head with a rock he was crushed by it
Should have been 5th son of a 5th son since he's Aegon the 5th
the actor's portrayal of him always made me think, for some reason, of a roman lamenting the fall of the empire in some stage play.
It's the hair. He has a very Roman hair style
Agreed.
What if Elia Martell and her kids escaped Kingslanding?
Ahh that's awesome!
They would be in dorne then in few years they be in essos to raise army?
Great vid what if myrcella never got killed by sand snakes 🐍
THanks Haseeb! :)
Good suggestion my friend
Haseeb Hafeez the sand snake wouldn't have got snake nap and killed in season 7
Haseeb Hafeez If she can’t talk down Cerci from blowing up the sept then I would imagine she would take the throne after Tommen dies and Dorne would side with her when Daenerys comes since she is betrothed to Tristane Martell and in this scenario he would still be alive. And since we know the Tarlys join the Boltons and Frey club of backstabbing their high lords Daenerys would come to westeros with almost no allies.
Survive the attack or never attacked?
Feanor of Sunspear survived
The oldest maester in the country and definitely the most brilliant. I wonder what would have happened if he would have accepted the role of Archmaester. Would the realm have prospered without the yes-man Pycelle, or would Aemon have been at the mercy of the Mad King?
Man I would've so much preferred Aemon over Pycelle...gray sunken (youknowwhat)
Samantha Mauney Aiken and TheBattProductions, Pycelle never was Archmaester but Grand Maester
If Aemon became an Archmaester, which one?
What if Barriston lived and went to Westeros with Danaerys.
“I don’t want it”
Heard that one before
muh kween
I‘m not sure Jon would even exist in this scenario though. Would Rhaegar and Lyanna have fallen in love if he was just a random Targaryen and not the crown prince?
Also, even if Jon did exist, he wouldn‘t have been Jon Snow. Robert‘s Rebellion wouldn‘t have happened because even if Rhaegar and Lyanna had run away together, Aemon would never have killed Rickard and Brandon Stark like the Mad King did. And so Rhaegar wouldn‘t have died at the Battle of the Trident and he probably would have been there when Jon was born. There would have been no reason for Ned to take him in and raise him as his bastard. Which means he would have been raised as a Targaryen and probably wouldn‘t have joined the Night‘s Watch.
And many of the characters wouldn‘t exist: Catelyn would have married Brandon and not Ned, so none of the Stark children would have been born. I‘m not sure that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen would exist because Cersei wouldn‘t have married the king and therefore wouldn‘t have lived in King‘s Landing but with whomever she married. Jaime would probably not have been a Kingsguard, so he would have stayed at Casterly Rock. And even if they did exist, they wouldn‘t have been raised as Baratheons, so they might have turned out to be a lot different.
That is assuming Jon really is so of Rhaegar and Lyanna. That was a fan theory that the show used when they ran out of source material. Jon may not be a Targaryen. But I do like that storyline. I like it when Bran said that Jon had never been a bastard. He's the heir to the Iron Throne. A great reveal.
I think Aemon wouldn't have married, Egg had already married a Blackwood and had some children when the Great Council convened (if I remember the WOIAF correctly) so the line was secure already. Under your scenario with Egg as Hand and heir presumptive, he doesn't have to make arranged marriages for his sons to get Lord Paramounts on their side so no ill feelings will occur for any broken engagements and subsequent rebellions. Essentially, save for Olenna Tyrell and a few other older characters, no one we know from ASOIAF will exist.
Matt Ries this was my line of thinking. When I said that it would change literally everything, I mean the whole story would cease to exist! There would be no rebellion in the stormlands, no broken betrothals, no summerhall, no Rhaegar, and thus no Roberts Rebellion.
A few notes
1) If we do this scenario we have to at least try and find a potential queen. Seeing as how succession is so important for kings and all.
2) one of the main reasons he lived so long was because he was out of the way and not a hindrance to anyone's plans.
3) without him at the wall giving guidance not just to the lord commander but all of the men the decline of the watch may have come faster.
4) I believe that the weight of being king would have probably caused him great mental stress and probably lead to him to an untimely death
What if Catelyn never freed Jamie Lannister?
I think Samwell would not have such a great experience if Aemon wasn’t at the wall.
Or Jon! Woof
In the loving care of Thorne and no one to protect him, he would die. However Thorne got there because he fought for Targaryens during Robert's Rebellion so hmm.
Except that Randyll would not have been the head of House Tarly and Samwell would not have it near as bad. The original heir was killed at the battle of Summerhall.
Biggest issue/change/divergence from this is while Aemon might have allowed the Targaryen Tradition of marrying brother and sister he's also a educated man at this point he's going to at least be aware more so than most in Westeros that the madness his family has is more than likely because of this and while his children and nephews/niece might continue the practise and everyone who is born in the books/show is born might he not name the one who DIDN'T pick a sibling to marry, Rhaegar picked Lyanna Stark because he loved her that will clean out the bloodline somewhat and might make Rhaegar named as the heir to the throne. The only downside is when Aemon dies you get a Dance of Dragons scenario and the kingdoms suffer because of the civil war of the Targaryens you'll still either end up with few and far between of that house. Also it will bind the North and Riverlands to the Crown and possible Dorne if Ned marries Ashara Dayne or even Elia Martell throw in Robert for good measure because Robert despite everything still loves Lyanna is a pretty strong alliance to deal with and Tywin will probably join because he can see the benefits of being indebted by a young King like Rhaegar. Thats just my theory anyway
One big problem, Rhaegar meets lyanna in the tourney of harrenhal.
It still could happen only with Aemon being alive and not all Targaryen mad.
Martel Chestnut
What about the knight of the laughing tree, robert betrothal to lyanna, rheagar married to elia martell because she has some little targaryen blood in her?
If robert was born as a girl then she would be betrothal to prince rheagar, but there is a problem, there is this thing known as Janney of oldstone, rheagar might run away with lyanna and pissing off lord baratheon ( robert's dad)?
Who said he had to marry Elia? Remember Aemon is the king in this what if. Now do agree with robert if he was born a she, but then again Lyanna father, Rickard was kinda of ambitious lord so I wouldn't be surprised if he marry her off to rheagar to be close to the throne.I think he could gain more with Lyanna being married to the future king. But that's just my opinion. Robert could still marry Lyanna or not. Anything could happen with Aemon as king.
What if Jaime doesn't stab the mad king or what if Tyrion was not a dwarf and didn't kill his mother
Ahhhh good suggestions my friend!
TheBattProductions thanks man your my favourite RUclipsr and I hope you blow up like emergency awesome
Nice vid and an interesting thought experiment. The big thing you missed though is the way that the timeline shakes up and the lineages change. Aemon on the throne it is realistic to assume that the Targaryen's line shakes out as predicted. Aerys is nuts but still has Raeghar, Dani, and Viserys. Raeghar still has 2+ kids but likely the 3rd is not with lyanna stark. No mad king means no tournament at harrenhall, no tournament means raeghar and lyanna never meet and thus no jon snow. No tower of joy hookup means neds older brother marries katlyn and gets winterfell, lyanna marries robert and goes to storms end. Ned most likely marries Ashara Dayne and thus no rob, arya, sansa, rikkon, or bran. If Aemon has no kids of his own then he probably designates Raeghar as his heir and everything continues on its happy way. That doesn't even begin to consider how the other house inter marriages might change things. Maybe Circe marries Raeghar. Maybe Viserys marries Elia Martell. If there is no greyjoy rebellion then no knoghthood for Jorah, so who maries into the hightower family then? Its a crazy domino effect.
What if Cersei's plan failed and the Sept wasn't destroyed.
Ah that's a tough one right now, but could figure it out probablyyyy
King Steffon Winchester XII has she ever really had a truly successful plan though?
Z Jules In the books yes in the show not so much.
King Steffon Winchester XII She'd have to find some other ways to get rid of the High Sparrow and the Tyrells.
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She didn't have enough time, allies or resources to take on the Sparrows or the Tyrells. If the wild fire didn't blow, I think she has 3 routes to take. Stay in the Red Keep with her loyal guards protecting it and she has Tommen as her hostage. Fleeing the city in a similar fashion as Sansa did after Joffery's assassination. Or going to the Sept to face the charges laid against her, which is probably death, exile, house arrest, etc.
What if Joffrey killed Arya in the Riverlands?
Harry Truscott that is a great idea
more like what if she had been beheaded after facing Robert when Joffery and Sansa lied about the events
This is good, lots of butterflies. The next thing I can see is Nymeria going for Joffrey's throat, she'll never be 'tame' with Arya dying. And then all hell breaks loose at Darry.
RIP Peter Vaughan
Lord Oberyn Martell if you ever meet prince rheagar, would you say to him like this you scorned my sister, you left her childrens for another woman's love, you caused this war and insult dorne, something like when you fighted against the mountain?
RIP
Hello there, Beard. Oh hey Kevin, I didn't see you there
Hahhahaa. Hey Jack!!!! Wazzup broski
What if Tywin becomes king
When?
Aerys would still be jealous if not even more, unless you mean post Aerys then it would be awesome.
after the shack of kings langing
TheBattProductions after aerys died he claimed the iron throne after he sieged the city
TheBattProductions when he sieged kings landinh
What if
Varys finds out about Jon Snow being a targaryen before the start of the show/books
Great vid :) I have a couple more suggestions...
1. What if Rhaego lived
2. What if Bronn never did the trial by combat
A lot of what happened in the books and the show occurred because Littlefinger played everyone against each other.
Another great video. One small correction, though: Prince Baelor's death wasn't the result of a joust, but a Trial of Seven (a rare, older variation of a Trial by Combat where seven knights fight seven knights honoring the Seven Gods of the Sept).
Sadly, his death could only have been caused by his brother Prince Maekar while fighting afoot. Prince Baelor's only other opponents were knights of the Kingsguard, whose vows forbade them from harming a member of the royal family. Nearly 100 years later, Maekar's son, Maester Aemon shared his family memories with Samwell:
"And my father... he never thought the throne would pass to him, and yet it did. He used to say that was his punishment for the blow that slew his brother. I pray he found the peace in death that he never knew in life."
What an analysis... Take a bow man!!!
Thank you👍 brilliant video
Next could you do 'What if Jaime Lannister had never joined the Kingsguard'?
I can indeed! Thanks a lot Vatsal :)
please do a "what if Margery and Tommen actually lived to rule westeros"
nice.... going into the great war with tommen and margery.
id be interested to see how their style of ruling (given the influence of the high sparrow) would react to the threat of the white walkers
Well obviously I wouldn’t have my fooking castle
Excellent video, my friend, but I do feel the need to speak up for Egg. He wasn't stupid. He understood that he needed the nobility onside to make his reforms - that's why he and Betha arranged the betrothals. It wasn't just because he thought the incest did more harm than good. Unfortunately, Egg the father came into conflict with Aegon the king. It's NOT like he and Betha didn't try to stop the kids from breaking the betrothals, but they came by their stubbornness honestly. I saw somewhere (can't recall where) a quote: "Egg was too much of a softie to go full Tywin on his kids." There's plenty that can be said about what the family could and couldn't have done, but I just feel as though Egg gets an undeserved bad rap where this is concerned. With all those options closed to him, *that* led him to become the proverbial well-intentioned extremist wanting to bring back the dragons.
A couple of other things to point out/ask, as well: in this scenario, House Baratheon never comes by a claim on the throne. As you'll recall, Lyonel, understandably, went beyond being angry: he renounced his allegiance to the throne and rose in rebellion, declaring himself a new Storm King (at which point Argilac Durrandon likely rolled over in his grave, at someone named BARATHEON calling himself a STORM KING :D). He didn't bend the knee again until Dunk defeated him in single combat, Prince Duncan renounced his claim to the throne, and...Aegon and Betha's youngest daughter Rhaelle went to Storm's End to be a companion for Lady Baratheon and marry their son Ormund when they reached marrying age.
(Hmmm, I wonder if Tywin ever noted that Egg did NOT order *every single Baratheon* put to the sword in retaliation for Lyonel's rebellion, and if he, Walder, and Roose noted that the Baratheons don't EVER seem to have contemplated harming Rhaelle once her parents sent her to Storm's End in good faith and they gave her the protection of guest right. But I digress! :D)
Also, whom do you think Aemon would have married in this scenario? As you mention, he would have needed offspring. Would he have married Daella or Rhae? As you will know, a certain line in *The World of Ice and Fire* has led to heavy speculation that one of them married into House Tarth. And if not dynastic incest, then what?
Cheers!
Daella and Rhae are both sisters that have disappeared from the family line Grrm will not tell us if they had children and who were their husbands. Were they kill in the Summer hall too?
That's the $1000000 question, isn't it? They do seem to be the likeliest candidates to be Brienne's Targaryen ancestor, as they are the only two Targaryens that we *know* married and had offspring, but whose spouses and children are mysteriously unaccounted for.
I still wish for a video about what if either the full kingsguard was at the trident, or the best 3 fighters where at the tower of joy, so i asume arthur, jaime & baristan (perhaps rhaegar too?)
One day! One day...
TheBattProductions haha i'll keep u to that xD
Btw happy holidays in advance man ;-)
leonpride was there another noteworthy arthur in the kingsguard then? =P
That beard is legendary.
I would like to see one based on if Rhaegar was successfully able to fulfill his plan to overthrow his father and become king....
In order for this to happen, I would think the following would need to occur...
1; He is able to get word, likely through Lyanna, to the Starks, telling them that she was not kidnapped, and that the two of them are married, before they go to King's Landing, thus saving them from their deaths at the hands of his father.
2; Rhaegar, Lyanna, and the Starks are able to make amends with Robert over the broken betrothal.
3; Rhaegar is able to bring the Martell in and convince that that his marriage with Lyanna was not designed to weaken their power or influence, and that his children with Elia are still his primary heirs.
IF these three things happen, then Rhaegar would be in a postion to rebel against his father. He would absolutely have the North, Dorne, the Stormlands, and Riverlands on his side due to all of these kingdoms having close ties to either Rhaegar or to each other. And most if not all of the other Kingdoms would join with Rhaegar as well.
I could see House Lannister, House Frey, House Greyjoy, and House Tyrell all siding with the mad King, at least until they knew which side would win. So, it would still be a pretty bloody war.
The first move I think would be for Rhaegar to have himself crowned as King and proclaim that his father is unfit to rule. Perhaps the Maester who married him to Lyanna would crown him King and be named his Grand Maester.
What if syrio forel kills the kingsguard and bring arya to essos
I dig it! Nice man
The Faceless man journey would’ve started way earlier.
According to certain theories he kind of did...
kind of syrio forel is the faceless men warming up arya for the harder training bruhh
funny channel I heard a theory that syrio was jaquin in disguise
I’m surprised this one hasn’t be asked yet. What if Dany still had all three of her dragons. I know the night king took out one of them (please don’t ask me which one I can’t remember) that he used to bring the wall down but if all three dragons were intact how would he take it down.
3:06 did you just predict "I don't wun it"
It is possible for things to turn out similar to GOT, assuming that Aemon rules, Egg would not rule, nor Eggs son Jaehaerys, but it could still pass to the mad king. Assuming either a) Aemon has no heirs by either them dying or him having no kids. b) Dance of Dragons 2 happens, with Eggs kids feeling cheated and claiming they were the rightful heirs since Aemon was previously a Maester. You could have everyone dying and Aerys II becoming king. C) Brenden Rivers is not sent to the wall initially, has children and starts another cadet branch, his heirs start a rebellion after aligning with the Blackfyre. Thus resulting in Brenden Rivers trying to stop his heirs but being unsuccessful and when Aemon wins, Brenden Rivers is sent to the wall, the Rivers and Blackfyre branches end, BR becomes the Raven just later. Aemon losing his errors gives the throne to Aerys II and retires do to old age and his health concerns. Aerys still goes mad but it is due to seeing all his family killed off and still has the same fear of plots against him. Goes crazy just like before, Aemon being blind and feeble at this point cannot stop him. Events play out as normal.
What if The Hound and Arya had been allowed to cross the Bloody Gate? Baelish would surely enjoy having two Stark siblings in his possession though Arya then wouldn’t join the Faceless Men, and perhaps The Hound’s paternal feelings towards Arya would be voiced if and when he discovered that Littlefinger was the acting Lord of the Vale, how this would change things moving forward etc.
Yeah wow, so awesome topic. He would be wonderfull as a king eventhough refusing was really badass. :)
Thank ya :)
He is pretty epic indeed
What if the doom of valyria didnt happen
Then Westeros is doomed, because this empire would one day invade westeros and the enslavement of the natives and colonisation of westeros, but some subjugated?
also the white walkers,they would have faced hundreds of dragons
I've been wondering this videos theory for a while now.. Love it.
Thanks my friend! :)
please do "what if Aerys the Second never went mad", because as you said it averts a ton of chaos
What if sansa accepts the hounds proposition to escape kings landing during the battle of black water bay
hellfest85 he did that I beleive
That King Ralph reference was solid gold
Great job, Kevin! It’s hard to imagine what it would’ve been like without the Mad King. You have to admit, in this story, he was the very definition of a necessary evil.
My 16 year old daughter and I are going bonkers trying to avoid spoilers about The Last Jedi. We bought tickets as soon as they were available for pre-sale. Then I ended up needing surgery Friday morning, so we couldn’t go and don’t know when I’ll be able to, yet. What a bummer, huh? Anyway, thanks for the video and have a fantastic week! 🎄😊
Thanks Lisette! :)
I have to wait for my girlfriend to come back home for me to see it :( She comes back Thursday. Sigh.
I HOPE YOUR SURGERY WENT REALLY WELL!
TheBattProductions Aww... See? My husband isn’t the least bit bothered by having to wait. He’s a “saint”. But, that’s what love or in your case, very strong like does for those they care about....they’re patient. (Pardon the pun.) To be honest, my daughter has been super understanding and could’ve gone with friends, but to her, SW is a family thing, so she’s waiting until we can see as family unit. Thanks for the well wishes!
Jon wouldn't have been the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch because Aemon was the final vote for Jon.
Jon wouldn't have been born or he'll be raised as a prince in King's Landing.
I mean, still could've in theory if the new Maester voted for him -- but yes, it wouldn't be wrapped up!
Samwell Tarly is likely killed by Aliser Thorne without Aemon and Lord Snow
What if Joanna had survived the birth of Tyrion
Excellent suggestion! This one has come up a few times. I'll have to look into it!
Among other things, an Elia/Jaime betrothal becomes quite likely, but the big mystery is whether or not she turns the tide in favour of a Rhaegar/Cersei match (or if, after the events of the anniversary tourney, she even wants to).
3:03 "I dun wan eet" - Maester Aemon
WHAT IF Elia and her children escapes King's Landing with Viserys and Dany?
What if Yara/Asha had won the Seastone chair?
If Aemon was king then Steffon Baratheon probably wouldn’t have went to Volantis to try to find a bride with valyrian blood, so Steffon never would have died. If Steffon hadn’t died he would have raised Robert himself, and Stannis would have been sent to be fostered in the Vale (Robert was sent because he didn’t have his own father to raise him, and Ned was sent because he was the second son). So Ned and Robert wouldn’t have been friends and might not have even met.
I don't know if you've made this before, but what if Aegon the Conqueror never conquered Westeros? Do you think one of the other kingdoms would conquer westeros eventually or do you think they would be separate forever?
I have not! Good suggestion
Well, among other things, we know that the storm kingdom was declining. As has been said, even a man as mighty as Argilac couldn't turn back the tide, only slow it. So, if Orys and the Targaryens hadn't come calling on them, it would have likely only been a matter of time before Harren the Black *did.*
That said, I really do get the impression that Aegon had been looking for an excuse to take the seven kingdoms for years - it just ended up being Argilac that gave it to him.
James Gravil yeah they'd probably be one of the top candidates, but there is some juicy factors to consider lol. Like how the Iron Islands have hardy warriors but are also the smallest population in westeros. They conquered the Riverlands but they aren't exactly known for being great soldiers. So would House Hoare have enough soldiers to really conqueror another kingdom? Also Harren was getting pretty old at the time, so when he died would his successor be able to conquer a kingdom? My money would be on either the Gardeners or Lannisters. I would say Starks possibly but I don't really see the Starks as conquerors sadly. And the Martells I can't really see them being able to go on offensives, they seem to be adept at protecting Dorne however so who really knows. And house Durradon was definitely on a decline so they're pretty much out for now. And the Arryns, honestly who really knows, it seems like they have decent warriors but I'm not sure how strong they really are.
Not for nothing did the people of the riverlands see Aegon as a liberator...
3:03 OMFG LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
"I dun wunt eet" HAHAHAHAHA
What if Jaime had ordered Crakehall to proclaim Viserys as King (in one of his POV chapters it's mentioned that Crakehall asked Jaime who to proclaim as king)
I liked this video, but I think one thing you didn't mention was that the mad king would most likely still be alive. Therefore would have had a bigger impact on Viserys and Danny, probably a negative effect.
Potentially -- we're still not totally sure what made the Mad King "Mad." We can assume being on the Iron Throne had a massive part in that, so I don't know if it would've been as negative as you may think.
In this same vein I know there was this one Targaryen King who had five children all betrothed to different houses and none of them followed through which is why the mad King was able to take the throne.
I'm bad with names.
Anyway I kind of want to know what would have happened if all five of those betrotheles had gone through
Are you thinking Jaehaerys II maybe? Hmm.
That is a good idea of a story once I nail down which King!
@@TheBattProductions okay I looked it up it was Aegon the 5th.
From what I understood his oldest son married a common girl and one of his kids was actually engaged to the queen of thorns. Another two of his kids ended up falling for each other that's where the mad King comes from and I'm not quite so sure about the 5th but regardless I am interested to see how you think this would have worked out if he had actually gotten all of this to go the way he planned it.
Loved your video man. Always try and give you a what if to think over. What if Ned married Ashara Dane
He already made a comment on that, in another what if videos.
+soyon wandering oh gotcha couldn’t remember
Thanks Thomas! I appreciate it.
A pretty major change is that Ned doesn't marry Catlyn because Brandon does, so there's no Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran most importantly, or Rickon or if they do exist they are altered slightly by being Brandon's kids and not Ned's.
Olena x Aemon?!?!? A bizarre matchup
Could've been!!!!
Ah, but she was originally betrothed to Aegon and Betha's Daeron, so probably more likely Aemon's hypothetical son in this case.
i think robert's rebellion would still happen because of llyana but they will not be able to sack kings landing most probably robert will be defeated by aemons army & ned would tell aemon about rheagar & llyana
Aemon has thought Jon the master strategy of ``I don`t want it. ``
What if Oberyn beat Ser Gregor?
Then Tyrion never goes to Westeros and Daenerys has to get someone else as her hand, she also loses his guidance, probably choosing ser Barristan as her hand, also the hound lives because he doesn’t fight Gregor at the end
The Greyjoy Rebellion had nothing to do with Robert's Rebellion or the Mad King really, it was just Balon Greyjoy not wanting to be a vassal of the Iron Throne, which he was at that point, so yes, the Greyjoy Rebellion would have happened either way, although it might've been changed as after Robert's Rebellion sorta made the two sides of the war dislike eachother, they might've been more united under Aemon's reign and so Balon would've been crushed, I expect that the same people would've died (Balon's two sons) And maybe Theon or Asha was taken, doesn't matter who, I always liked the what-if of Asha being taken instead of Theon.
It had a lot to do with Robert's Rebellion -- Balon only attempted it because he assumed the Crown was recovering from the war.
could you maybe do what if yoren and his night watch recruit (including arya,gendry etc.) weren’t attacked and made it to the wall?
Thank you!
You got it dude!
Targaryens after the dragon fire drinking incident holding checklist: "Drinking fire . . . no"
LOVE the King Ralph reference!! Ridiculous but funny movie!! Childhood classic!!💋
Hahahaha... I LOVE that film and so glad I got to reference it in a vid
Ditto! Love it! PLUS Jackie gets to be the queen!...in a Doctor Who flipside sort of way!! Lol
A good theory, yet you don't factor in Littlefinger or the Night King. Both of those players change the scenario drastically.
Aemon would take the threat of the Others more seriously as well although he would insist on proof and have one of his advisors look in on it to confirm if possible.
Why does everyone think Jon is the prince that was promised not Dany? Jon was never really a prince he was literally born a king.
Also what if when Ned was awaiting execution and when Ned asked if he can smuggle him out of Kings Landing Varys said yes?
You kinda forgot that Jon was only born because of Robert's rebelion. No rebelion means no jon, which means sam dies training at the wall.
What if prior to the battle of Castle Black, Mance had tried to negotiate with the Night's Watch and possibly the North?
What if Robb stark hired the golden company to help him in the war against lannisters?
Hey! Cool vid ! I’m wondering if Aemon would have accepted a marriage between Cersei & prince Rhaegar? Not sure if anyone has asked this there are so many comments.. I’m assuming maybe? Because Daenerys still would have been muuch too young. Elia would live & Oberyn too.
*correction Cersei was young so Daenerys was forsure not even born yet or somethin like that ...
What if Jon stayed with the Wildlings (and Ygritte
Prince Baelor died before his father in a tourney to help out Dunk, not after ^^
Plus, Daeron II's third son died also way before Aerys I became king
I'm claiming this one!
Haha
IF AMEON IS KING,, THERE IS NO JON...HERE'S WHY.
PROPHESY...
AYRES NEVER BECOMES KING THERE FOR HE NEVER MARRIES HIS SISTER, SO" THE PRINCE THAT WAS PROMISED" NEVER HAPPENS...AND EVEN IF ARYES DOSE HAVE CHILDREN,, THE SON THAT WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE REAGAR, IS NOT IN POSITION HAVE ACCESS TO THE SKROLLS WHICH IS HOW HE LEARNED OF THE PROPHECY, SO HE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN INSPIRED TO BECOME A GREAT KNIGHT, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE WON THE TERNEY AT HARENHAL,,, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE PLACED THE BLUE ROSES IN LEANNA STARKS LAP AND THERE FOR HE WOULD NOT NEED TO WOOW HER TO GET MARRIED AND TRY TO MAKE A 3RD CHILD BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT BE ON THE MISSION OF HAVING 3 HEADS OF THE DRAGON...AND ALSO I BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT JON,, THE KNIGHT KING STAYS IN THE LAND OF ALWAYS WINTER...
OH AND WITHOUT ARYES THERE IS ALSO NO DEANERYS...
YEAH, I KNOW I MAY HAVE MISSPELLED EVERY TARGARYAN NAME IN THIS POST...LOL
I'm not sure if Jon would have gone to the Wall if Aemon was king. Because when Robert came to Winterfell to get Ned as his Hand and they had the feast, that's when Benjen came down from the Wall. I wonder if Benjen hadn't been there to take Jon if he still would have gone.
Umm i think there would still be dragons, since it was still a tradition to keep a dragons egg in the crip of the targarian liniage and as such i dont think the funuaral pyre was what awoke the dragons, it increased the speed of the process but i do think it would have happened either way
Maiken Pehrson What do you believe made the dragons come alive?
it would be cool if Viserys got dragons (and if he wasn't an insane person who got killed off in season 1)
Seven's mercy on Aemon Targaryen, he wouldn't have let the Baratheons utter a single word.
I don't know if you've done this one already, but what if Mance bends the knee to Stannis?
I have not! Good suggestion my friend
Missed a candidate, Prince Maegor (son of Aerion) was a candidate after his own father but was overlooked as they feared, even as a babe, that he may have inherited his father's madness - his namesake, given by his wonderful father, furthering the bad omen for the bub so Aerion's brothers were looked to instead.
I intentionally didn't mention him since he wasn't ever offered the Throne.
The problem with the whole “Aemon wouldn’t have killed the Starks” thing is that Aemon would need to still be king. You might think that the Tragedy of Summerhall wouldn’t have happened under Aemon, but I’d argue it’s MORE likely. Aemon and Rhaegar communicated back and forth on a ton of topics, but the one that applies here is that Aemon looks at the Tragedy of Summerhall and says “oh look! They were so close! In fact you were conceived that night, Rhaegar! Coincidence? I don’t see one.”
*pause for laughter*
And they continue correspondence on the matter. Now, would it have gone down exactly the same? Hard to say. Some of the factors at play would have been Aemon’s children and grandchildren. Seeing as the whole bag w/ Rickard and Brandon wasn’t Egg, but his grandson (son in the show) so we might assume that it’s Aemon’s grandson who is at play here.
One additional issue that I think would show up with Aegon or Aemon either one is that the Lords around them seemed to be getting more powerful and more daring in developing their own powers in the political structure of the 7 Kingdoms. I would argue that neither brother showed much force on this front and later events like Duskendale seem unavoidable for both.
I love Aemon. He’s my favorite character in the entire series. And Aegon is close after because I love the Dunk and Egg stories, but if I had to bet, I worry that Aemon wouldn’t be on the Iron Throne for that long. The Wise Maester is not the same as The Unlikely King. And that’s aside from the potential magicks of the Wall extending his life (maybe or maybe not). I just think he might not be quite as capable as we’d like him to be. Choosing the Wall is even debated as a decision he made or a decision made to keep him away from Oldtown and other Maesters who wanted nothing to do anyone who might be any little bit magical.
Would Aemon get married and have a son? Or would egg be his hier? I also do not think he would live to be as old because the cold preserves. But he could still have a long enough reign so if he quickly had an hier he would be of age with some training. I also think Egg would be a great hand. They had a good relationship.
Aemon was a kind and wise man. Westeros would have thrived under his leadership.
What if daemon blackfyre wasn't killed during the battle of the redgrass field
The best thing Aemon could do would be peace in his lifetime and set up his children and grandchildren to intermarry other noble houses for the future. However the Targaryen dynasty was in a slow but steady decline since the loss of dragons. Aegon V wasn't really dumb in trying to bring them back he was right , just had a strong feeling Summerhal incident was an inside job and was purposely botched. The Targaryens were destined to fall one way or the other without dragons as no single House could hope to truly rule the 7 Kingdoms the way Aegon I, Viserys I and Jaehaerys I did.
What would happen with the Night King in this scenario?
what if Robert was promised to be married to Catelyn instead of Layanna........also side note the way your lights are the reflect off of your eyes so your pupils look white
Haha, thanks I guess?
well it puts focus on your eyes and been watching you for awhile pretty cool you commented back on my post
I think this one is good:
What if Stannis was Lord of Storm's End and Lord Paramount of the Stormlands?
Here's a challenge for a WHAT IF based on the Dance of the Dragons: What if Rhaenyra had been crowned right away instead of Aegon II?
That's a tricky one, not least because the text we are presented with raises a WHOLE lot of "Huh? What? How? Why?" One way or another (despite the fact that we KNOW she had friends in the Red Keep, as Criston's job was to take them into custody, and despite the fact that it's not clear if the time of Viserys' death being expected overlapped at all with time in which Rhaenyra could safely travel), it would seem that Rhaenyra was in the dark about her beloved father being close to death. Not clear how, but she clearly was. We do know, though, that Alicent had an informer ready to tell her - and her alone - when Viserys had died, and that she had instructed her household on what to do when the day came.
So, to have such a scenario, we'd have to have Rhaenyra - or someone representing her - in King's Landing at the Red Keep MUCH sooner, and I'm just not sure how that could come about until we get the full story in *Fire and Blood*, and answers to my questions of just how she was able to be kept in the dark as she was.
I can't see Aemon living to the point of when Robert's Rebellion. He was 100 of the events of Game of Thrones started since it was the cold that kept him alive. When Jon sent Aemon with Sam south for his protection he very quickly got sick and died in Bravos. Therefore it would have most likely his children's reign if he had any, otherwise the crown would pass to some other Taragaryen like Aerys. I see this just being so hard to tell would Westeros would be like since he would have taken the throne in 233 AC and Robert's Rebellion was in 283 making a fifty year gap of unknown events.
The cold kept him alive? I'm not so sure about that.
Honestly I think it wouldn't change much. House Targaryen was destined to fall without dragons. It may not have been in Rhaegars generation but sooner or late it will happen. I think Aemon has wisdom beyond his years and thought that might as well give a failing dynasty to his younger brother.
most monarchies tend to fall in the real world because the people or parliament voted to make it a republic. before the Targs took power, some of the families, like Starks and Lannisters, had been kings for 8000 years. which is mind bogglingly longer than any real life monarchy could ever imagine. the oldest dynasty is in Japan and theyve been around for just under 1000 years.
I think Targs will stay around, as long as there's no Mad Kings that are so mad that they screw up everything.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Starks and Lannisters indeed stayed as Kings for thousands of years but they only ruled one kingdom. The Targs can rule over 7 Kingdoms with dragons but without dragons..ehhh
I thinks it more of the fact that they have power that makes them mad not their old age.
Long live King Aemon, first of his name!
Baelor Breakspear died before his children.. not after..nick picking i know .. But I still had let you know... Baelor's son Valorr stood watch over his body after he died
Maeker reminds me so much of Morgoth with that crown and weapon. Even the name is similar to Melkor. Coincidence, I think not.