I was thinking about this subject once. One thing I noted to myself was the use of strophic form vs through composed forms. I was thinking that operas, especially in its later day (Wagnerian especially) the music is more through composed, in that according to the action of the plot or what is precisely is said by the singer at the moment to moment is dictated through the music; while comparatively in a standard musical, the music is a strophic form song that does not significantly change within the dialogue of the actor/singers. In fact, I think in an opera an argument amongst singers can progress within a single piece of music. A musical tends to convey the emotion of the moment but every action usually stops to let that emotion be expressed until another action and song comes along.
The problem is compounded by the existence of works like Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weil's "Threepenny Opera", which is difficult to categorize as either an opera or musical.
One small note, you mention that Beethoven is the first composer to become world-famous without writing an opera (or at least being famous for their opera at all). On the other hand you have Haydn who despite writing a good handful of operas, none were particularly famous nor performed outside the Esterhazy orchestra. Many of them were only performed in the modern day. As well you have Bach, who was famous as a composer, though moreso in his time for being a great improviser.
Hi I think you are a big fan of the classic music, so I want to give you a gift. There are some good classical pieces you probably never heard of (because their composer are not western they are Arab) 1. A meditation on them by abdel wahhab (by solhi alwadi) it deep but beautiful 2. Al sharq symphony by marcel khalifa (Istanbul orchestra recording) 3. The second symphony (by abu bakr khairat) Also there is some honorable mentions like: 1. the first piano concerto by abu bakr khairat Note: sorry for my bad English Another note: don't forget to tell about your opinion about these pieces Another another note: why do not you make a video about the non-westeren composer from all over the world
I'd love to see a video from you on Henry Purcell and some of his operas, he's one of my favorite baroque composers and King Arthur is always a joy to listen to
I just watched Castlevania Nocturne and Eduard's singing got me curious, given he's meant to be an operatic. Other things I looked into said opera is only performed in the work's original language, focuses on singing over dialogue, and something else. Thanks for exploring this and helping to nail down a more concrete idea of what opera is.
Love these videos! I'm learning so much. Can you do one where you compare opera with heavy metal music? Weird? Yes. But I do think they share quite a few things in common. Both are loud and emotional for one!
I was also wondering too if Offenbach's type operrettas had any link to modern musicals or was perhaps just another form of musical that arises from the need. Musicals also seem to be more syncopated as all modern American music is.
2:30 Richard Rodgers was the composer, Hammerstein (pictured) the lyricist
I think Opera treats the singer as a classically trained instrument.
Amazing videos, please keep on going👍Exactly the kind of thing I need to learn the starting stuff about a topic in classical I'm not familiar with
I was thinking about this subject once. One thing I noted to myself was the use of strophic form vs through composed forms. I was thinking that operas, especially in its later day (Wagnerian especially) the music is more through composed, in that according to the action of the plot or what is precisely is said by the singer at the moment to moment is dictated through the music; while comparatively in a standard musical, the music is a strophic form song that does not significantly change within the dialogue of the actor/singers. In fact, I think in an opera an argument amongst singers can progress within a single piece of music. A musical tends to convey the emotion of the moment but every action usually stops to let that emotion be expressed until another action and song comes along.
The problem is compounded by the existence of works like Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weil's "Threepenny Opera", which is difficult to categorize as either an opera or musical.
Agreed! I didn't even attempt to get into John Gay's Beggar's Opera, another early antecedent of Brecht, and musicals!
Fascinating! I've always wondered this...
Thank you for this circular wonderful adventure...yeah it's just singing!
Very interesting sir
One small note, you mention that Beethoven is the first composer to become world-famous without writing an opera (or at least being famous for their opera at all). On the other hand you have Haydn who despite writing a good handful of operas, none were particularly famous nor performed outside the Esterhazy orchestra. Many of them were only performed in the modern day. As well you have Bach, who was famous as a composer, though moreso in his time for being a great improviser.
Hi
I think you are a big fan of the classic music, so I want to give you a gift.
There are some good classical pieces you probably never heard of (because their composer are not western they are Arab)
1. A meditation on them by abdel wahhab (by solhi alwadi) it deep but beautiful
2. Al sharq symphony by marcel khalifa (Istanbul orchestra recording)
3. The second symphony (by abu bakr khairat)
Also there is some honorable mentions like:
1. the first piano concerto by abu bakr khairat
Note: sorry for my bad English
Another note: don't forget to tell about your opinion about these pieces
Another another note: why do not you make a video about the non-westeren composer from all over the world
I'd love to see a video from you on Henry Purcell and some of his operas, he's one of my favorite baroque composers and King Arthur is always a joy to listen to
I just watched Castlevania Nocturne and Eduard's singing got me curious, given he's meant to be an operatic. Other things I looked into said opera is only performed in the work's original language, focuses on singing over dialogue, and something else.
Thanks for exploring this and helping to nail down a more concrete idea of what opera is.
Musical - amplified; Opera - unamplified. ??? (at least now - in the past, I know that musicals were also unamplified)
nope, not at all. some operas nowadays use amplification too.
@@Mrs.Magix58In opera is not amplified unless (1) it’s outdoors or (2) the composer calls for it.
Love these videos! I'm learning so much. Can you do one where you compare opera with heavy metal music? Weird? Yes. But I do think they share quite a few things in common. Both are loud and emotional for one!
What else do they have in common?
I was also wondering too if Offenbach's type operrettas had any link to modern musicals or was perhaps just another form of musical that arises from the need. Musicals also seem to be more syncopated as all modern American music is.
a whole video about musicals, opera, and operetta and not a single mention of Gilbert and Sullivan? Sacrilege! lololol
so was the Opera named after Peri? think about it. you add an O in front you have Operi, , change the I to an a. you get opera
May the algorithm bless you
The quality of your videos from day 1 seems too high for this to be your first channel. What's your main channel?
an unbearably innaccurate video completely misusing a ton of terminology
A lot of crap here to go with a few relevant facts. I wish people producing historical videos would consult experts first.