all ending describe the effect of scale values. if you cant balance liberty, morality and unity, you will be perished. if you prefer one of another, the balance will turn to chaos. At the very last, those 3 values should be balanced. thats why when choose true ending, all color on the scale conviction glows. DAMN, this is awesome game with awesome story
The battle in Fredericas ending felt like a true final battle, especially the character dialogues between other characters and the Hierophant. Like Archibald, Narve, Frederica and I’m assuming many more
My first run ended yesterday with Frederica's epilogue. I forced myself to role-play as a leader driven by virtuosity and morality. Now I start the new game + as a pragmatic leader. This game is Epic.
Basically you have, the "We Lose," Ending, the Extreme Socialist/Utilitarian Ending (Roland), the Anarchist/Escapist Ending (Frederica), The Extreme Capitalist/Ends Justifies the Means Ending (Benedict), and the Idealistic, "Let's All Hope for Understanding," Ending (True).
I had no idea there was an ending where they all died at the Roselle village. I found that crystal because I knew there was something being hidden so I refused to give up the search. Damn, never even considered there being more than 4 endings.
I think Benedict's ending creates an interesting dynamic for another Triangle Strategy Part 2. Where Glenbrook falls into civil war with the prodigal son Roland rising up against Serenoa's royalist forces. The tale of two best friends turning on each other. Idore and Benedict of course manipulating one or the other behind the scenes.
@akhafasu I for one, would love a sequel based on Benedict's ending, though I'm sure that would take time to create, as a sequel would not only need to cover Benedict's ending, but the sequel to other endings as well into one big sequel game.
The Wolfort wedding was so much more satisfying to witness than one in Glenbrook. Its a good thing I challenged myself to not use the hawk traps on chapter 18
@@romanwagner8709 The trick is to use Hughette and Archibald, Lightwave Archibald onto the roof, and have Benedict walk onto the roof with birds of prey. Then pelt them with arrows until they die. It's a very slow process.
Honestly, of the 3 character endings, I personally find myself preferring Frederica's ending above the other two. Roland's is just terrible in my opinion, and Benedict's has Serenoa lose all agency and just more or less be Benedict's puppet. In Frederica's ending, Serenoa genuinely feels himself align with Frederica more than any of the other two, remarked that he will not regret the path they chose and even gets a very heroic moment during his sacrifice where he expresses such firm resolve and strength that I feel is lacking in the other endings.
Of the 3, Frederica's ending was THE only option ( didnt unlock the true ending). I couldnt see myself taking over everything like Benedict wanted, and there is no way I could ignore the Roselle in captivity with Roland's ending. After all the struggle with it all, I wanted to break the cycle, which Frederica brought to my attention
I don't think that he became Benedict's puppet, because Serenoa gave him clearance. He has made his own decisions as well. Benedict is an advisor for a reason. You aren't a puppet by taking advice from an advisor
@@handhelder823 Nope. Serenoa pretty much does only what Benedict "advises" and never goes against it. Even Gustadolph recognizes that the one really in charge is Benedict.
@@handhelder823 If it was sound, then he'd actually try to address the people that are committing crimes and suffering rather than just dishing out punishment. The laws instituted under Benedict's advice have resulted in only the rich benefiting, while the poor starved. Serenoa is unable to truly make any decisions and has become entirely dependent on Benedict's counsel.
I got Benedict's ending, and I find it to be the best of all the "true world" ones. The happy ending does not really seem real to me. This game is really nice.
I liked the Benedict ending gave me the feeling of Roland an exiled royal returning from a long lost crusade of self reflection to reclaim his lost birth right. While you the player once thought a hero actually turned out to be a villain. 🤔
While I love that there is a happy ending for the game through the Golden Route Ending, I like how the other three (and even the Chapter 12 game over) endings were a bit morally grey. Frederica, Benedict, and Roland all got what they wanted in the end- but at a steep price. -Frederica saves the Roselle, but leaves the entire continent consumed by the flames of war- and her soon-to-be husband sacrificed -Benedict has Serenoa crowned as the ruler of Glenbrook and Hyzante is toppled over, but the poor in Norzelia become more impoverished than ever before, and the “peace” in the realm is flimsy at best -Roland sees his ideals of peace and happiness through the realm realized; but the Roselle and other undesirables of Hyzante are cast away or set to give their lives to backbreaking labor (and there are strict rules for the believers in Hyzante’s faith as well), and, in a sense of bitter irony, Roland becomes the Minister of Salt, and is made to control the people that he sacrificed for “the greater good” I just personally like how all of these endings made the player probably feel AT LEAST a little bad in their decision (and some much worse than that) which makes the Golden Route ending all the more happier, especially since it’s the last ending a lot of players get.
I like the fact that the developers focused the endings in a way like everything has a price - to get something you need to make some sacrifices. That’s what really appealed to me about the character endings. It wasn’t just that by siding with a character you’ll get a good ending, there were always consequences and I really liked how it all played out differently for every character
Late but yeah. The three endings all have pros and cons. Benedict's ending basically creates pre-french revolution without guns but free the world from racism. Frederica's ending has Norzellia in a constent war like WW I and finally Roland's lies to people in order save the most lives and equality among the working class at the expense of the minority Rozelle. Really non of these ending are completely "good" and each have a in-universe reason to be probable. Benedict if Serenoa wants to have all peoples having equal opportunity in gaining wealth regardless of gender or race (Equal not fair and nothing about wealth). Frederica if Serenoa wants to grant people truth and ultimate freedom (But freedom without rules, laws or guidelines are chaos and anarchy, survival of the fittest and we atleast know that they won’t return to Norzellia anytime soon). Finally Roland if Serenoa wants to bring peace and save the most lives in Norzellia ( At the cost of the truth, Corruption among the church and turning a blind eye to enslavement of a minority). TLDR: None of the three routes (non-golden) can be considered right and equal and the game is build that way to bend towards what you value most. Freedom, Life or equality. Morality (Saving lives, morals) Liberty (Freedom), Utility ( The ability to use any means) Ironically the opposite too in the ending as not all of these values are fulfilled. Morality in lives but not in truth. Liberty in freedom but not for the common people (Or Serenoa unless you count from his mortal coil). Utility but not for the poor. So the golden combining the best from all give the complete picture of the best outcome and really rewards the people who invested time to view each ending.
@@akhafasu I never got it because I had used a guide the first time I played.. I still regret not doing it myself. But I never thought there would be a cutscene or anything like that…
@@mrshadow0711 I was kinda surprised myself when I got the game over screen. I searched and searched but didn’t know about the crystal under the rug. It kinda felt silly how the Elder was trying to hide it despite everything we had done to protect the Roselle
So either be a sellout, a sacrifice, or a puppet. Honestly failing to find the salt cryatal seems more reasonable than any of those 3. At least they all go down together with the same mind rather than live and and let their differences split them apart.
I think the character endings reflect real world problems. You can never get everything and sacrifices have to be made. But the true ending does reflect the very best for all the characters
I'm gonna go for the Bad Ending and True Ending during my final playthrough, as I heard that the Bad Ending is nothing more than a Game Over which you can just restart after. So I can play my true ending route at the same time.
Regardless of if you destroy the town in chapter 18 you still see the wedding in Whitehelm in the credits. Also once the golden path is completed you get a new opening screen at the start menus with a sick song!
Or a sequel following Serenoa’s heir taking place in the true ending timeline, we could see an older Serenoa as a Symon like figure reminiscing about the second Salt-Iron war
I'm actually surprised I got the Golden Route ending, heck I used a quarter to make my decisions on the scales of conviction... And a 3-sided die (yes that's an actual thing) and I will admit this is one of the many awesome games I've played this year, the reason why is because they're others games that came out this year prior to this ones release and they're more that I plan on playing this year but I will promise you all that this will make it to the awesome section of the list of games I've played this year.
So basically: Rolands’s ending sucks ass. Frederica’s is bittersweet, but at least you end racism. Benedict’s is also bittersweet, but at least he turns Serenoa into a Chad. Then the golden ending is sunshine and rainbows all around, with Serenoa and Frederica finally getting their hard earned wedding.
Roland's sucks in that it's peace built on a lie but it's a ignorance is bliss ending as he was horrified when he learned the truth in Frederica's path with the discovery of the book Lyla had on the Roselle. Frederica's ending is the only one of the three which while yeah bittersweet ends on a happy note seeing everyone happy along with what is clearly Serenoa's son waving to his mother Frederica where as the other two endings with the respective problems that both Frederica and Roland who left the party have to endure. Benedict's sucks because it's not just Roland who loses but even Serenoa and Frederica who are clearly unhappy in the end card especially telling when she addresses as your majesty instead of my love like she used to, it's actually the most concerning ending in that another war is going to brew and shows Benedict is shortsighted in the long term. When you have two villains that are still alive with Gustadolph and Idore that's trouble. Serenoa is a puppet king with Benedict being the "true" king in being no different from how the old Glenbrook was with the nobles only difference in Benedict is doing what he thinks is best for Serenoa and House Wolffort, but that's just it "thinks" and in golden ending he even laments what if his path had happened showing even devs know his ending is bad.
Fredericas ending is pretty bad tho tbh. You just straight up just abandon the majority of the Norzelian people in order to protect a small minority of people. You abandon all of your duties and responsibilities and just dip to some unheard of area. Not that it’s that much than the other endings, but I’m just saying it’s not any better in objective terms.
@@godisdog5502 But its even realistic. Benedict doing the masterplan to get back his country, The minsitry of salts fighting each other to get the power left after the Rosellian escape. Best ending.
I could have sworn I commented on this video, but I don't see it, so: thank you for posting this I just completed my first playthrough and got the golden ending (used a walkthrough to get me out of the bad ending pickle - took me a while to learn how to throughly search during exploration phases) and I want to do NG+ to finish leveling up my characters, and unlock the couple high conviction guys I haven't yet (apparently there's a time kid? and a robot?) but I don't think I can force myself to make different decisions... Like, I'll have to look up further videos for following Frederica to the Rosellan village about the bandits or staying in the capital to aid Roland's investigation, because I still feel the right choice was seeing Symon (if Roland's the king now, he needs to learn how to deal with his own affairs, and I trusted Frederica when she said she's got this)
The time kid is simply broken. I’ve got 2 videos that detail how you can use him and simply break the game. You can find how to recruit all characters here: ruclips.net/video/xV3X-I7XvwQ/видео.html
I know I'm late, but I don't understand all the hate for Roland's ending. Well, I understand why people might not like it, but it isn't terrible. Roland wanted his people to be safe, the entire game was building up to him putting his people first constantly, so when he realizes that lying is the only way to keep the peace, that's what he pursues. Sure, there's bits and pieces of him wanting revenge on Gustadolph, but that just comes with it too. It's peace based on lies. Lies that, while hurting a few people, bring prosperity to many more. TLDR: Every ending has good and bad bits. I just don't see why Roland's is the one to get all the hate.
And if you were a Rosellean and had to live happily all while knowing your people are suffering and their bodily remains are used to make Alfrec, or whatever it was called? They're pretty much throwing an entire race of people in the fire to live happily.
Cause he is a hypocritical ass. Shits on me for trying to sell out the Roselle, then does the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING Also, Hyzante can go fuck itself in my eyes, so siding with them is out of the question for me
Roland's ending seems the least bad outside of the Golden ending. Yes there's a minority of the population condemned to misery, but it's unclear to me that more people are miserable there than in Benedict's ending and I'm highly confident that people are better off under Roland's plan than Frederica's. All of Norzelia is under constant war under her plan and yet people are saying her ending is the best of the three. That seems patently insane.
@@nathanharris8896 Hmm...maybe it's because in Frederica's ending, the characters stand up for what's right, do a good thing (free the Roselle), and leave this continent of fools behind instead of kowtowing to a racist slave state whose religious teachings are all based on real, provable, tangible lies? And Serenoa gets a cool hero moment where he saves his friends instead of just going with the flow like he does everywhere else?
In my opinion, Benedict's ending is the best of the three. Roland was never fit to rule and too carried away by emotions, lacking level-headed judgment. Frederica selfishly tries to save her race without caring for the vast majority that comprises the other peoples of Norzelia. Serenoa is a boy scout and his place is under Benedict's command, who is the real main character in the story and the true "strategist" in a game about strategy.
Finally someone that agrees with me on Benedict's being the best ending and Frederica being way too selfish, destroying Norzelia and her people AND her husband without a care. I don't really think Serenoa becomes Benedict's puppet at the end but I agree that our strategist should have been the main character lol
@@lucafernandes8043 Serenoa becomes a king that governs on what he is told is just and doesn’t seem like he makes his owns decisions. But out of the three normal endings, I do believe Benedict’s is the better one
I agree, I can't understand how some people think Frederica's ending is the best one... She was so upset when they debated handing over Roland to Gustadolph but she had no problem to sacrifice her husband if it meant accomplishing her goals. Not only that but she forces Serenoa to choose the Roselle over his people, his land, his family legacy . People keep saying it's bitter sweet because they only focus on the main cast riding off into the sunset and completely forget that the Norzelia continent is being torn apart by war and thousands of people are dying. I really think they ought to have shown the continent destroyed like they did with the Benedict ending. Probably the creators thought that Serenoa dying caused enough impact but apparently it didn't for a lot of people. Not only that but what really baffles me is that the people that like the Frederica ending and do not like the Benedict ending fail to grasp that in the BE the Roselle are also free, they can perfectly pack their bags and travel to Centralia if they wish to do so, no one will stop them. Frederica as well does not need to stay next to Serenoa 24/7 she could perfectly well make an expedition with the Roselle to Centralia, since she did find the book anyway, even with thr BE. Now that she is a queen she can have several military folk escort her and with the Aerofrost always so interested in the freedom of knowledge she can also take some scholars that are adept at geography. Frederica is the one that failed her people because she became reliant on Benedict and Serenoa instead of having a more proactive approach as she did in her own ending or Roland's ending.
I just want to remind everyone that despite what it seems, Rolands Route is genuantly the best ending for the common man of Norzelia. Benedicts route has an ever-widening gap between the rich and poor, Fredericas ending abandons literally everyone but the Roselle and thus dooms the people to an everlasting war between Gustadolph and Benedict against everyone else, and fuck, even the golden Ending may not be as good since due to Lyla having free reign with no ethical limits to conduct her experiments, scientific advancements would skyrocket(look at what she achieved with merely Hyzante, i.e. Automatons, Hierophant, Immortality, WMDs, literal Time Magic) similar to what happened in Germany when the funny austrian painter was in power. As long as youre not a Roselle or a heretic(which, face it, is an extremly small number of people), youll be living the best possible life, better then in every other route. Naturally, because of the nature of the golden Ending its still preferable since 1)everyone now lives comfortably under Rolands rule, Roselle, heretics and everyone else included; 2)salt is equally distributed with no need for the Consortium and 3)actually good people are in power(Lyla not really since she was complicit in everything Hyzante has done and contributed to it, but I just chalk that up to pussy privilige similar to Avlora, though she at least tries to make amends and make things right).
It’s been awhile since your comment, but your argument reminds me of a quote I saw at the Holocaust museum: ‘First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.’ -Martin Niemöller lol I know it’s a bit heavy for a video game, but I do think the rhetoric of ‘so long as I’m not…’ is dangerous, because given that Hyzante would need more labor for the mines they find, how long would it be until it IS you?
@@ceceangel4561 for hundreds of years hyzante didnt come for anyone but the roselle, plus, to equate them to national socialists doesnt make much sense since they dont particularely care about what you do and who you are as long as you arent a roselle and you "somewhat" believe in the goddess
For the worst ending, it would have been cool to to let us fight out the battle until you're eventually defeated. Then show you map of your kingdom slowly start change to Hazant's color showing then taking over.
@akhafasu The one with the Roselle village and being unable to find the key. I was thinking they could have let us do a final stand battle. Start off with a normal battle, then reinforcements eventually keep spawning overwhelming the player until defeated. Then, go on with the normal narration of how they failed.
I just finished my first play through and realized that I got the Benedict ending. I’m going to do the golden route this time around. Roland’s ending is trash, Frederica’s is ok but also annoying considering the fact that I like Serenoa more than Frederica, and Benedict’s ending made the most sense to me.
That’s good to know. I do have a video on how to get the True Ending. Do have a look if you’re not sure how to get it. I’ll be posting some more Triangle Strategy videos soon :)
(This comment didn't seem to appear in the comment thread, so I'm reposting it here.) For some reason, I never tried a Monster Hunter game, but again I never really looked into it. Maybe I will someday, when I finally clear my backlog of games. Right now, I'm a little too busy with other games, to play Live A Live, but I'll try to get around to it in August as soon as I finish those. The reviews look pretty good, so I'm not too worried. I don't know if you tried the demo but the combat is pretty unique and each story is different. I will tell my opinion of it in time. Until then, have a good day.
The Roselles' Elder is kind of a butthole. House Wolffort goes out of their way to secure them from their own ally during the saltiron war and put their neck on the line to have them live in peace, undisturbed. War breaks out again and none of your soldier is a Roselle either. They literally have free land and no vassal obligation. Comes a 2nd war, house Wolffort shelters them again, Serenoa asks for help, "ehh sorry I don't know nothing lol".
oh ok... so it was wrong of me to think we were going to see indivial character arcs come to a close. I followed a guide to get Avlora and the "Golden route" ending, Was pretty much hoping to see what became of - Narve's - reputation - Quahog's obvious mom is obvious - did Archibald and Groma get together - did Avlora find her peace? - did Picoletta's circus get back together? a lot of unresolved stuff like that... or do we see their individual stories play out based on their levels?
I don't like it when games have a true/good ending. That usually means that your choices are only a viel of matters. You'd have to do and respond completely to what the game would required you to get the "good" ending instead of making choices of your own accord and seeing the outcome.
@@akhafasu I do like multiple endings games and I wish the developers wouldn't implement a true or good ending. It defeats the purpose of making your choice your way. I really like the 3 ending in triangle strategy. They were perfect. Each one of them were bitter sweet in their own way. They weren't totally good or bad. They had both the positive and negative effects making the ending more realistic. The "good ending" in triangles strategy felt so Disney esque lol. I'm happy with my driving away the douchey Roland and becoming king ending :)
I'm surprised everyone thinks Roland's ending is the worst. I'd say the worst is Frederica's. The Roselle receive their freedom at the cost of the entirety of Norzelia. We don't even know if they've learned how to live independently after being slaves so long. At least in the Roland ending, most of the people are happy. Sucks for the Roselle, but only the Golden ending has everyone happy. Benedict's ending is also bad, but it still doesn't seem as bleak as Frederica's. At least some of the people are rich and they could eventually make a more egalitarian society out of the wealth produced.
Benedict's ending is just another pretense for war. Roland's ending just sucks. Living good at the expanse of the suffering of others is no way to live. Frederica's ending has you leave everything behind for a new start. You leave everything for a war that was not yours to fight to begin with. Yes, you doom everyone to uncertainty and chaos but after credits scenes shows everything going back to a certain peace although at that point Benedict's left all alone with no confidants to confide in.
I was a simp for Roland the whole game, even grinded to raise my conviction score so I could convince everyone not to sacrifice him. But then his route was clearly a terrible choice. Only Benedict’s plan made much sense, but it causes Roland to leave. :(
if in the chapter against exharme you burn any house you will get the wedding in glenbrook and if you do not burn any house you will get the wedding in wolffort
The bad ending pissed me off in a bad way. Wolffort house has protected him for so long and even serenoa was willing to do his best to protect them but that @$$h0l3 of a boomer refused to show what he hid because of what? if there was any choice to sacrifice one rosselle that old man will be my first choice, no second thought.
Honestly, I feel like the Benedict ending is the most realistic and the one that really feels like real human history to me. The True ending is overly naive and idealistic, it feels like Serinoa's daydreaming. The whole "Idore turns into a god-like being" felt like a copt-out and an easy way out of the moral dilemma of the conflict, also it was just too much of a stereotypical jrpg ending for a game as serious and realistic (even with some magic involved) as this one. I liked the horror of the homunculus in the golden route, but to me it felt really rushed and by far the most wasted plot point in the entire game. It could have been SO GOOD to have Frederica have to face the fate of some of her people and the horror it entails... because it was not at all acknowledge that those puppets were rossielle or somehow made from them, it was just implied by their looks. Personally, I like to believe they are somehow clones or even some sort of experimented breed of rosielle that came from Frederica's mom after she was taken back to Hyzende. What better punishment for the woman that dared to defy the goddess will than to turn her into the face of their puppets? Also, the plot of the magical crystals was terribly executed in my opinion. It needed far more development. How are they exactly made? What is the magic system of this world based of? What are the rules? Are all these plot holes just sequel or even prequel bait? Probably. But I still feel betrayed by the game promises even after doing all the routes...
Big agree. I have not watched the true ending yet but the fact that the premise is "everyone is happy" feels like a fairy tale, I know it's a game but still. That's why I really like the fact that all the endings (besides golden and bad ending) have positive and negative sides to them. Realistically, you can't make everyone happy
I've spent almost 50 hours and finished it once, but I don't feel like playing it again. I think I didn't like the hours needed in the secondary missions in the bar to have enough level to continue with the main missions... It's a good game but not remarcable.
Every ending had some positives and negatives. I guess that was the writers trying to tell us that you can’t always get what you want and that sacrifices have to be made. The only exception to this was the Golden Ending, where everyone lives happily ever after
I got Benedict's ending... prob not gonna play this thing through 3 more times, so time to spoil it. Good game, but I felt like they could've done a little better with the story, few too many holes and not that deep - which is fine! Except they seemed to lean so hard on the story what with all the dialogue and cutscenes and such, I was hoping it was going to rise to a higher level... like FFT! Anyway, not aiming to be too negative here, I did enjoy it, just not enough to go around again.
Did all four endings and i have to say that Roland's is my favorite one. It was my first ending and I don't regret it. With the Goddess' blessing, Norzelia knows true peace (although at the cost of many innocent lives). The whole slavery thing is pretty messed up, but overall i did agree with Roland that the suffering of the few is worth the happiness of the many. Of course, the true ending is a better end with a better final boss than Svarog , but the ending itself is less interesting than Roland's.
You’re probably the only one (or maybe in the minority) who liked Roland’s ending. The comment section for Roland’s ending is filled with people hating it. But I’m glad people have different opinions and views on such matters and that you enjoyed the ending and found it realistic to some degree. Have a look at the comment section here: The Path to Roland's Ending - Triangle Strategy ruclips.net/video/3Mk7ffi-fTU/видео.html
@@akhafasu Yes, most people don't seem to like his ending very much compared to the endings of Benedict and Frederica. Ultimately, I still appreciate the other endings and I think that they each bring something different to the table. Anyways, thank you for respecting my opinion even if you disagree.
@@envyandselfhatred8197 I don't disagree. In fact to me, all these endings are incredible as they show that nothing is perfect in this world. To get something, you must lose something. And that's what I really like about all the endings :)
@@akhafasu You're absolutely correct, except the true ending they're all perfectly imperfect, and I like that a lot. Triangle Strategy has got to be at least top five of my favorite games now, It's so good. It's a shame that some form of sequel would probably have to wait until 2024 or 2025 minimum, before realeasing. Hopefully I'm wrong on that, and it comes out before. Fortunately, Live A Live just released, so I'll be sure to play it soon.
@@akhafasu found this "Idore is probably planning to back a revolution led by Roland to reinstall him as king of Glennbrook. I'm guessing having the king indebted to him (and a pro-Hyzante king at that) would allow him to impose the Goddess' false teachings on the people, and from there work his way towards reclaiming Hyzante." I made this ending.
@@TheVoltrom you could be right. There are only a few reasons where two former enemies will side with one another, and one of them is a common goal that is beneficial for both parties
I chose Frederica in my first playthrough because it's what I would personally chose based on my beliefs and morals. And I was satisfied in the ending, despite Serenoa dying. I could never agree to Roland's path because it feels like throwing away all your efforts in fighting for your cause, only to end up submitting to the powerful. 180° personality switch for Roland As for Benedict's path, I'm not that fond of the ending bc I feel like Serenoa is a stubborn asshole for insisting everyone should be treated "equally" and Benedict's puppet. He was made king but ended up turning a blind eye to the impoverished and was not able to address the issue of poverty. Golden route def is the best, in my opinion.
In Frederica's ending Norzelia also is riddled by poverty, famine and war, it is only logical given the brief paragraph we are given, the game just doesn't "show it".
I think Bennedict is the better ending, you end Hizante false Goddess and freed Roselians from slavery, also we have Serenoa as king, better king we can have.
Got Frederica's ending. Game wasn't fun on hard. Very poorly balanced. I still made it but it was a slog. And then I get hit with 3 nonsensical choices and of course I decide to simp because Roland is a dumbass and I hate Benedict. Well, the ending is atrocious and now I don't have the will to keep playing and get the true ending.
@@akhafasu I don't know. Chapter 13 (the one on the bridge) on hard really soured the rest of the experience for me because I felt there was no legit way of doing it without putting Hughette on top of the ladder and slowly killing all enemies from there. There wasn't another chapter where I felt the game was just unfair, but my trust was breached, so I wanted to finish the game as soon as possible to see the end. Maybe I'm just bad, but after the battle I wanted to check and I read that lots of people beat it that way on forums.
@@Averi0 Serenoa becomes king of all Norziela by conquering (Not a puppet, as you can see at the end of ths route), as it should be and not the weak link of Roland, this is the most realistic ending.
@@bluemachine1025 Serenoa, by title, is the king of Glenbrook. However, in truth, it is Benedict who makes all the choices. Serenoa just fulfills them. Only Benedict smiles in his ending portrait, nothing was fulfilled for Frederica or Serenoa.
@@Averi0 He is King, he must lead his kingdom, there are no room for emotions, during the end of the Benedict Route, he swears to assist Serenoa during his rule after he completes his revenge.
@@bluemachine1025 He assists Serenoa by stringing him along. Serenoa distances from everyone, including Frederica, who is only queen, not 'my love' to Serenoa.
all ending describe the effect of scale values. if you cant balance liberty, morality and unity, you will be perished. if you prefer one of another, the balance will turn to chaos. At the very last, those 3 values should be balanced. thats why when choose true ending, all color on the scale conviction glows.
DAMN, this is awesome game with awesome story
Love this interpretation
The battle in Fredericas ending felt like a true final battle, especially the character dialogues between other characters and the Hierophant. Like Archibald, Narve, Frederica and I’m assuming many more
My first run ended yesterday with Frederica's epilogue. I forced myself to role-play as a leader driven by virtuosity and morality.
Now I start the new game + as a pragmatic leader. This game is Epic.
Basically you have, the "We Lose," Ending, the Extreme Socialist/Utilitarian Ending (Roland), the Anarchist/Escapist Ending (Frederica), The Extreme Capitalist/Ends Justifies the Means Ending (Benedict), and the Idealistic, "Let's All Hope for Understanding," Ending (True).
the roland ending is the Extreme catholic ending like an extreme conservative would love
Hate that they made a golden ending
So basically the three so-so endings are isis ending, exodus ending, and american ending lol
After this, I am happy I went with Frederica ending. The others are unsatisfactory and I wasn't in contention for the true ones.
I thought the Roland ending was the we all lose. There's WORSE?
I had no idea there was an ending where they all died at the Roselle village. I found that crystal because I knew there was something being hidden so I refused to give up the search. Damn, never even considered there being more than 4 endings.
I encountered it on my first playthrough. I knew there was something fishy, but I wasn’t able to find it
I think Benedict's ending creates an interesting dynamic for another Triangle Strategy Part 2. Where Glenbrook falls into civil war with the prodigal son Roland rising up against Serenoa's royalist forces. The tale of two best friends turning on each other. Idore and Benedict of course manipulating one or the other behind the scenes.
That does sound interesting. So far there’s nothing regarding a sequel
@akhafasu I for one, would love a sequel based on Benedict's ending, though I'm sure that would take time to create, as a sequel would not only need to cover Benedict's ending, but the sequel to other endings as well into one big sequel game.
In that game there should definitely be a route to get Fredrica to defect from Serenoa's cause
The Wolfort wedding was so much more satisfying to witness than one in Glenbrook. Its a good thing I challenged myself to not use the hawk traps on chapter 18
Yeah, the game somehow feels complete to have the wedding at Wolffort
I couldn't beat it without the traps lol.
wait so if you use the traps then you have the wedding at glenbrook?
@@romanwagner8709 The trick is to use Hughette and Archibald, Lightwave Archibald onto the roof, and have Benedict walk onto the roof with birds of prey. Then pelt them with arrows until they die. It's a very slow process.
Honestly, of the 3 character endings, I personally find myself preferring Frederica's ending above the other two. Roland's is just terrible in my opinion, and Benedict's has Serenoa lose all agency and just more or less be Benedict's puppet. In Frederica's ending, Serenoa genuinely feels himself align with Frederica more than any of the other two, remarked that he will not regret the path they chose and even gets a very heroic moment during his sacrifice where he expresses such firm resolve and strength that I feel is lacking in the other endings.
Of the 3, Frederica's ending was THE only option ( didnt unlock the true ending). I couldnt see myself taking over everything like Benedict wanted, and there is no way I could ignore the Roselle in captivity with Roland's ending. After all the struggle with it all, I wanted to break the cycle, which Frederica brought to my attention
I don't think that he became Benedict's puppet, because Serenoa gave him clearance.
He has made his own decisions as well. Benedict is an advisor for a reason.
You aren't a puppet by taking advice from an advisor
@@handhelder823 Nope. Serenoa pretty much does only what Benedict "advises" and never goes against it. Even Gustadolph recognizes that the one really in charge is Benedict.
@@0axis771 if the advice is sound, why ignore it?
@@handhelder823 If it was sound, then he'd actually try to address the people that are committing crimes and suffering rather than just dishing out punishment. The laws instituted under Benedict's advice have resulted in only the rich benefiting, while the poor starved. Serenoa is unable to truly make any decisions and has become entirely dependent on Benedict's counsel.
I got Benedict's ending, and I find it to be the best of all the "true world" ones. The happy ending does not really seem real to me. This game is really nice.
The game is pretty good. Hope we get a sequel
I liked the Benedict ending gave me the feeling of Roland an exiled royal returning from a long lost crusade of self reflection to reclaim his lost birth right. While you the player once thought a hero actually turned out to be a villain. 🤔
While I love that there is a happy ending for the game through the Golden Route Ending, I like how the other three (and even the Chapter 12 game over) endings were a bit morally grey. Frederica, Benedict, and Roland all got what they wanted in the end- but at a steep price.
-Frederica saves the Roselle, but leaves the entire continent consumed by the flames of war- and her soon-to-be husband sacrificed
-Benedict has Serenoa crowned as the ruler of Glenbrook and Hyzante is toppled over, but the poor in Norzelia become more impoverished than ever before, and the “peace” in the realm is flimsy at best
-Roland sees his ideals of peace and happiness through the realm realized; but the Roselle and other undesirables of Hyzante are cast away or set to give their lives to backbreaking labor (and there are strict rules for the believers in Hyzante’s faith as well), and, in a sense of bitter irony, Roland becomes the Minister of Salt, and is made to control the people that he sacrificed for “the greater good”
I just personally like how all of these endings made the player probably feel AT LEAST a little bad in their decision (and some much worse than that) which makes the Golden Route ending all the more happier, especially since it’s the last ending a lot of players get.
I like the fact that the developers focused the endings in a way like everything has a price - to get something you need to make some sacrifices. That’s what really appealed to me about the character endings. It wasn’t just that by siding with a character you’ll get a good ending, there were always consequences and I really liked how it all played out differently for every character
@@akhafasu Yeah! It made me feel like my actions really had consequences, both good and bad
@@iwoulddieforsomeanniechuns7996 love your username. Need some of that miso too 😅
Late but yeah. The three endings all have pros and cons. Benedict's ending basically creates pre-french revolution without guns but free the world from racism. Frederica's ending has Norzellia in a constent war like WW I and finally Roland's lies to people in order save the most lives and equality among the working class at the expense of the minority Rozelle. Really non of these ending are completely "good" and each have a in-universe reason to be probable. Benedict if Serenoa wants to have all peoples having equal opportunity in gaining wealth regardless of gender or race (Equal not fair and nothing about wealth). Frederica if Serenoa wants to grant people truth and ultimate freedom (But freedom without rules, laws or guidelines are chaos and anarchy, survival of the fittest and we atleast know that they won’t return to Norzellia anytime soon). Finally Roland if Serenoa wants to bring peace and save the most lives in Norzellia ( At the cost of the truth, Corruption among the church and turning a blind eye to enslavement of a minority).
TLDR: None of the three routes (non-golden) can be considered right and equal and the game is build that way to bend towards what you value most. Freedom, Life or equality. Morality (Saving lives, morals) Liberty (Freedom), Utility ( The ability to use any means)
Ironically the opposite too in the ending as not all of these values are fulfilled. Morality in lives but not in truth. Liberty in freedom but not for the common people (Or Serenoa unless you count from his mortal coil). Utility but not for the poor. So the golden combining the best from all give the complete picture of the best outcome and really rewards the people who invested time to view each ending.
Well said
Wait... So, if you don't find the salt crystal under the rug of the Rosellan Elder's home, you just... Get a game over? I didn't expect that.
Yup. It’s considered a bad ending. Many players encountered it in their run. I did too during my first playthrough
@@akhafasu I never got it because I had used a guide the first time I played.. I still regret not doing it myself. But I never thought there would be a cutscene or anything like that…
@@mrshadow0711 I was kinda surprised myself when I got the game over screen. I searched and searched but didn’t know about the crystal under the rug. It kinda felt silly how the Elder was trying to hide it despite everything we had done to protect the Roselle
So either be a sellout, a sacrifice, or a puppet. Honestly failing to find the salt cryatal seems more reasonable than any of those 3. At least they all go down together with the same mind rather than live and and let their differences split them apart.
I think the character endings reflect real world problems. You can never get everything and sacrifices have to be made. But the true ending does reflect the very best for all the characters
I'm gonna go for the Bad Ending and True Ending during my final playthrough, as I heard that the Bad Ending is nothing more than a Game Over which you can just restart after. So I can play my true ending route at the same time.
Sounds good 👍🏻
Regardless of if you destroy the town in chapter 18 you still see the wedding in Whitehelm in the credits. Also once the golden path is completed you get a new opening screen at the start menus with a sick song!
Roland’s ending was godawful, i would see myself letting Serenoa getting killed 100 times before going through that.
I got the Frederica ending on my first playthrough because Roland's just seemed like the most "bad" ending siding with Hyzant.
I just realized that in the Golden Ending we finally see Layla reunite with her baby Quahaug ❤️
Yup. Really made me happy. Wish there was a cutscene in-game
What... They were related!!!
That explains why their abilities are so alike and why it took me 6 MONTHS to beat Layla
@@windwaker0rules yup. Quahaug's Technical full name is Quahaug Viscraft
I need a prequel game set during the Saltiron war.
So do I
Or a sequel following Serenoa’s heir taking place in the true ending timeline, we could see an older Serenoa as a Symon like figure reminiscing about the second Salt-Iron war
@@bitduelist or just the antics of Lord Symon during the Salt Iron War all the way till he met Lady Destra
@@akhafasu lt us consult the scales of conviction
@@bitduelist lol. And let all three scales light up!
I'm actually surprised I got the Golden Route ending, heck I used a quarter to make my decisions on the scales of conviction... And a 3-sided die (yes that's an actual thing) and I will admit this is one of the many awesome games I've played this year, the reason why is because they're others games that came out this year prior to this ones release and they're more that I plan on playing this year but I will promise you all that this will make it to the awesome section of the list of games I've played this year.
So basically: Rolands’s ending sucks ass. Frederica’s is bittersweet, but at least you end racism. Benedict’s is also bittersweet, but at least he turns Serenoa into a Chad. Then the golden ending is sunshine and rainbows all around, with Serenoa and Frederica finally getting their hard earned wedding.
Spot on!
Roland's sucks in that it's peace built on a lie but it's a ignorance is bliss ending as he was horrified when he learned the truth in Frederica's path with the discovery of the book Lyla had on the Roselle. Frederica's ending is the only one of the three which while yeah bittersweet ends on a happy note seeing everyone happy along with what is clearly Serenoa's son waving to his mother Frederica where as the other two endings with the respective problems that both Frederica and Roland who left the party have to endure. Benedict's sucks because it's not just Roland who loses but even Serenoa and Frederica who are clearly unhappy in the end card especially telling when she addresses as your majesty instead of my love like she used to, it's actually the most concerning ending in that another war is going to brew and shows Benedict is shortsighted in the long term. When you have two villains that are still alive with Gustadolph and Idore that's trouble. Serenoa is a puppet king with Benedict being the "true" king in being no different from how the old Glenbrook was with the nobles only difference in Benedict is doing what he thinks is best for Serenoa and House Wolffort, but that's just it "thinks" and in golden ending he even laments what if his path had happened showing even devs know his ending is bad.
Fredericas ending is pretty bad tho tbh. You just straight up just abandon the majority of the Norzelian people in order to protect a small minority of people. You abandon all of your duties and responsibilities and just dip to some unheard of area. Not that it’s that much than the other endings, but I’m just saying it’s not any better in objective terms.
Of the isis ending, exodus ending, and america ending, at least serenoa and frederica stay together in america ending
@@godisdog5502 But its even realistic. Benedict doing the masterplan to get back his country, The minsitry of salts fighting each other to get the power left after the Rosellian escape. Best ending.
I could have sworn I commented on this video, but I don't see it, so: thank you for posting this
I just completed my first playthrough and got the golden ending (used a walkthrough to get me out of the bad ending pickle - took me a while to learn how to throughly search during exploration phases) and I want to do NG+ to finish leveling up my characters, and unlock the couple high conviction guys I haven't yet (apparently there's a time kid? and a robot?) but I don't think I can force myself to make different decisions... Like, I'll have to look up further videos for following Frederica to the Rosellan village about the bandits or staying in the capital to aid Roland's investigation, because I still feel the right choice was seeing Symon (if Roland's the king now, he needs to learn how to deal with his own affairs, and I trusted Frederica when she said she's got this)
The time kid is simply broken. I’ve got 2 videos that detail how you can use him and simply break the game.
You can find how to recruit all characters here:
ruclips.net/video/xV3X-I7XvwQ/видео.html
Roland's ending is the true Bad Ending.
@@mtaur4113 haha, yeah seems like it
Why would the Rosellian old dude refuse to give the crystal to Serenoa? They both die...
Yeah. Made no sense in sitting on the crystal and not tell Frederica about it - even when the story moved on
I know I'm late, but I don't understand all the hate for Roland's ending. Well, I understand why people might not like it, but it isn't terrible.
Roland wanted his people to be safe, the entire game was building up to him putting his people first constantly, so when he realizes that lying is the only way to keep the peace, that's what he pursues. Sure, there's bits and pieces of him wanting revenge on Gustadolph, but that just comes with it too. It's peace based on lies. Lies that, while hurting a few people, bring prosperity to many more.
TLDR: Every ending has good and bad bits. I just don't see why Roland's is the one to get all the hate.
And if you were a Rosellean and had to live happily all while knowing your people are suffering and their bodily remains are used to make Alfrec, or whatever it was called? They're pretty much throwing an entire race of people in the fire to live happily.
I mean. Roland himself admits it was a stupid idea when you go with fredericas route
Cause he is a hypocritical ass.
Shits on me for trying to sell out the Roselle, then does the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING
Also, Hyzante can go fuck itself in my eyes, so siding with them is out of the question for me
Roland's ending seems the least bad outside of the Golden ending. Yes there's a minority of the population condemned to misery, but it's unclear to me that more people are miserable there than in Benedict's ending and I'm highly confident that people are better off under Roland's plan than Frederica's. All of Norzelia is under constant war under her plan and yet people are saying her ending is the best of the three. That seems patently insane.
@@nathanharris8896 Hmm...maybe it's because in Frederica's ending, the characters stand up for what's right, do a good thing (free the Roselle), and leave this continent of fools behind instead of kowtowing to a racist slave state whose religious teachings are all based on real, provable, tangible lies? And Serenoa gets a cool hero moment where he saves his friends instead of just going with the flow like he does everywhere else?
In my opinion, Benedict's ending is the best of the three. Roland was never fit to rule and too carried away by emotions, lacking level-headed judgment. Frederica selfishly tries to save her race without caring for the vast majority that comprises the other peoples of Norzelia. Serenoa is a boy scout and his place is under Benedict's command, who is the real main character in the story and the true "strategist" in a game about strategy.
Very insightful
Thank you for the comment :)
Finally someone that agrees with me on Benedict's being the best ending and Frederica being way too selfish, destroying Norzelia and her people AND her husband without a care. I don't really think Serenoa becomes Benedict's puppet at the end but I agree that our strategist should have been the main character lol
@@lucafernandes8043 Serenoa becomes a king that governs on what he is told is just and doesn’t seem like he makes his owns decisions. But out of the three normal endings, I do believe Benedict’s is the better one
I agree, I can't understand how some people think Frederica's ending is the best one... She was so upset when they debated handing over Roland to Gustadolph but she had no problem to sacrifice her husband if it meant accomplishing her goals. Not only that but she forces Serenoa to choose the Roselle over his people, his land, his family legacy .
People keep saying it's bitter sweet because they only focus on the main cast riding off into the sunset and completely forget that the Norzelia continent is being torn apart by war and thousands of people are dying.
I really think they ought to have shown the continent destroyed like they did with the Benedict ending. Probably the creators thought that Serenoa dying caused enough impact but apparently it didn't for a lot of people.
Not only that but what really baffles me is that the people that like the Frederica ending and do not like the Benedict ending fail to grasp that in the BE the Roselle are also free, they can perfectly pack their bags and travel to Centralia if they wish to do so, no one will stop them. Frederica as well does not need to stay next to Serenoa 24/7 she could perfectly well make an expedition with the Roselle to Centralia, since she did find the book anyway, even with thr BE. Now that she is a queen she can have several military folk escort her and with the Aerofrost always so interested in the freedom of knowledge she can also take some scholars that are adept at geography. Frederica is the one that failed her people because she became reliant on Benedict and Serenoa instead of having a more proactive approach as she did in her own ending or Roland's ending.
I just want to remind everyone that despite what it seems, Rolands Route is genuantly the best ending for the common man of Norzelia. Benedicts route has an ever-widening gap between the rich and poor, Fredericas ending abandons literally everyone but the Roselle and thus dooms the people to an everlasting war between Gustadolph and Benedict against everyone else, and fuck, even the golden Ending may not be as good since due to Lyla having free reign with no ethical limits to conduct her experiments, scientific advancements would skyrocket(look at what she achieved with merely Hyzante, i.e. Automatons, Hierophant, Immortality, WMDs, literal Time Magic) similar to what happened in Germany when the funny austrian painter was in power.
As long as youre not a Roselle or a heretic(which, face it, is an extremly small number of people), youll be living the best possible life, better then in every other route. Naturally, because of the nature of the golden Ending its still preferable since 1)everyone now lives comfortably under Rolands rule, Roselle, heretics and everyone else included; 2)salt is equally distributed with no need for the Consortium and 3)actually good people are in power(Lyla not really since she was complicit in everything Hyzante has done and contributed to it, but I just chalk that up to pussy privilige similar to Avlora, though she at least tries to make amends and make things right).
Nice take. Guess not everyone is out there to dis on Roland’s ending 😅
It’s been awhile since your comment, but your argument reminds me of a quote I saw at the Holocaust museum:
‘First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.’
-Martin Niemöller
lol I know it’s a bit heavy for a video game, but I do think the rhetoric of ‘so long as I’m not…’ is dangerous, because given that Hyzante would need more labor for the mines they find, how long would it be until it IS you?
@@ceceangel4561 for hundreds of years hyzante didnt come for anyone but the roselle, plus, to equate them to national socialists doesnt make much sense since they dont particularely care about what you do and who you are as long as you arent a roselle and you "somewhat" believe in the goddess
For the worst ending, it would have been cool to to let us fight out the battle until you're eventually defeated. Then show you map of your kingdom slowly start change to Hazant's color showing then taking over.
Which ending are you referring to?
@akhafasu
The one with the Roselle village and being unable to find the key.
I was thinking they could have let us do a final stand battle.
Start off with a normal battle, then reinforcements eventually keep spawning overwhelming the player until defeated.
Then, go on with the normal narration of how they failed.
@@troycarmony341 that would’ve been cool
I just finished my first play through and realized that I got the Benedict ending. I’m going to do the golden route this time around. Roland’s ending is trash, Frederica’s is ok but also annoying considering the fact that I like Serenoa more than Frederica, and Benedict’s ending made the most sense to me.
That’s good to know. I do have a video on how to get the True Ending. Do have a look if you’re not sure how to get it. I’ll be posting some more Triangle Strategy videos soon :)
You only hate Frederica because she's a strong independent woman
@@pyroflare7774 She is annoying, I rather complete the Roland ending then have to suffer Fredericca any longer.
@@bluemachine1025 explain how she's annoying, is it because she's a female?
@Klish 104 maybe she did it because she's NOT a complete ass?
Damn the Frederica ending gave me chills wtf
Yeah. That was my first ending. Serenoa’s fate hit really hard
Just got the Frederica ending :,( so sad. Will play for the Golden Route on New Game+
Good luck :)
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For some reason, I never tried a Monster Hunter game, but again I never really looked into it. Maybe I will someday, when I finally clear my backlog of games. Right now, I'm a little too busy with other games, to play Live A Live, but I'll try to get around to it in August as soon as I finish those. The reviews look pretty good, so I'm not too worried. I don't know if you tried the demo but the combat is pretty unique and each story is different. I will tell my opinion of it in time. Until then, have a good day.
The Roselles' Elder is kind of a butthole. House Wolffort goes out of their way to secure them from their own ally during the saltiron war and put their neck on the line to have them live in peace, undisturbed. War breaks out again and none of your soldier is a Roselle either. They literally have free land and no vassal obligation. Comes a 2nd war, house Wolffort shelters them again, Serenoa asks for help, "ehh sorry I don't know nothing lol".
Lol. Yeah I don’t like their elder. And his Sorsley voice
they really killed off the main character in frederica's ending huh?
Yup
oh ok... so it was wrong of me to think we were going to see indivial character arcs come to a close. I followed a guide to get Avlora and the "Golden route" ending, Was pretty much hoping to see what became of
- Narve's - reputation
- Quahog's obvious mom is obvious
- did Archibald and Groma get together
- did Avlora find her peace?
- did Picoletta's circus get back together?
a lot of unresolved stuff like that... or do we see their individual stories play out based on their levels?
You don’t see them get fully resolved. But their story does play out on their individual character stories
I don't like it when games have a true/good ending. That usually means that your choices are only a viel of matters. You'd have to do and respond completely to what the game would required you to get the "good" ending instead of making choices of your own accord and seeing the outcome.
I never looked at it that way. I do like it when a game has multiple endings. But to achieve them, certain conditions need to be met.
@@akhafasu I do like multiple endings games and I wish the developers wouldn't implement a true or good ending. It defeats the purpose of making your choice your way.
I really like the 3 ending in triangle strategy. They were perfect. Each one of them were bitter sweet in their own way. They weren't totally good or bad. They had both the positive and negative effects making the ending more realistic. The "good ending" in triangles strategy felt so Disney esque lol. I'm happy with my driving away the douchey Roland and becoming king ending :)
@@TheHmongol yeah. Not many like Roland’s ending - the good of the many for a few sacrifices
The music man ,its gorgeous
Indeed it is
I'm surprised everyone thinks Roland's ending is the worst. I'd say the worst is Frederica's. The Roselle receive their freedom at the cost of the entirety of Norzelia. We don't even know if they've learned how to live independently after being slaves so long. At least in the Roland ending, most of the people are happy. Sucks for the Roselle, but only the Golden ending has everyone happy. Benedict's ending is also bad, but it still doesn't seem as bleak as Frederica's. At least some of the people are rich and they could eventually make a more egalitarian society out of the wealth produced.
Yeah well, people think he forsake the Roselle and thus he’s bad. I guess that part connected more with people than anything else
Benedict's ending is just another pretense for war. Roland's ending just sucks. Living good at the expanse of the suffering of others is no way to live. Frederica's ending has you leave everything behind for a new start. You leave everything for a war that was not yours to fight to begin with. Yes, you doom everyone to uncertainty and chaos but after credits scenes shows everything going back to a certain peace although at that point Benedict's left all alone with no confidants to confide in.
What's up with the two different wedding scenes? I got the first on my golden run.
If you don’t use any of the hawk traps during Benedict’s battle in Chapter 18, you get the wedding at Wolffort
@@akhafasu damnit, I didn't even need the trap. I just used it to speed things along. Oh well.
@@aaronglazer4173 I did the same
i just finished this game on true ending. very nice. now im gonna be very sad to think about what next jrpg should i play
I hear ya. Wish we get a sequel to this game
I was a simp for Roland the whole game, even grinded to raise my conviction score so I could convince everyone not to sacrifice him. But then his route was clearly a terrible choice. Only Benedict’s plan made much sense, but it causes Roland to leave. :(
Yeah, a lot of people are very divided when it comes to Roland’s ending
What do we have to do to have the wedding in either place?
Complete the game with the true ending
if in the chapter against exharme you burn any house you will get the wedding in glenbrook and if you do not burn any house you will get the wedding in wolffort
@@adriahrin3284
Okay. Thank you!
My first play through I burned the houses against Avlora since i thought that's what I thought I was suppose to do. 😅
@@troycarmony341 if you burned the houses against avlora sadly you can't get the true ending, it's one of the conditions
@@adriahrin3284 ...thank you! hahaha i didnt knew that yet i put in the effort to not burn them again
The bad ending pissed me off in a bad way. Wolffort house has protected him for so long and even serenoa was willing to do his best to protect them but that @$$h0l3 of a boomer refused to show what he hid because of what? if there was any choice to sacrifice one rosselle that old man will be my first choice, no second thought.
Yeah the game never really explains his motive to hide the salt.
@@akhafasu Because he’s senile, and therefore isn’t smart enough to at least TRY to help his people survive.
Honestly, I feel like the Benedict ending is the most realistic and the one that really feels like real human history to me. The True ending is overly naive and idealistic, it feels like Serinoa's daydreaming. The whole "Idore turns into a god-like being" felt like a copt-out and an easy way out of the moral dilemma of the conflict, also it was just too much of a stereotypical jrpg ending for a game as serious and realistic (even with some magic involved) as this one. I liked the horror of the homunculus in the golden route, but to me it felt really rushed and by far the most wasted plot point in the entire game. It could have been SO GOOD to have Frederica have to face the fate of some of her people and the horror it entails... because it was not at all acknowledge that those puppets were rossielle or somehow made from them, it was just implied by their looks. Personally, I like to believe they are somehow clones or even some sort of experimented breed of rosielle that came from Frederica's mom after she was taken back to Hyzende. What better punishment for the woman that dared to defy the goddess will than to turn her into the face of their puppets? Also, the plot of the magical crystals was terribly executed in my opinion. It needed far more development. How are they exactly made? What is the magic system of this world based of? What are the rules? Are all these plot holes just sequel or even prequel bait? Probably. But I still feel betrayed by the game promises even after doing all the routes...
I hope we get a sequel or a prequel to this game
Big agree. I have not watched the true ending yet but the fact that the premise is "everyone is happy" feels like a fairy tale, I know it's a game but still.
That's why I really like the fact that all the endings (besides golden and bad ending) have positive and negative sides to them. Realistically, you can't make everyone happy
@@lucafernandes8043 yup. That’s what I like about the game. There are consequences to the choices you make
I think Roland's ending is the best one out of the three choices.
You’re one of the very few people who like Roland’s ending
I've spent almost 50 hours and finished it once, but I don't feel like playing it again. I think I didn't like the hours needed in the secondary missions in the bar to have enough level to continue with the main missions... It's a good game but not remarcable.
Well, give it another chance and try making different decisions. You’ll be surprised how the entire game plays out
do you have chapter 17 difference choices cutscene ?
I think I do have a video with all cutscenes and different routes
Frederica's Ending was a bad ending in my option. The MC dies and the nations are at war.
Every ending had some positives and negatives. I guess that was the writers trying to tell us that you can’t always get what you want and that sacrifices have to be made. The only exception to this was the Golden Ending, where everyone lives happily ever after
I got Benedict's ending... prob not gonna play this thing through 3 more times, so time to spoil it. Good game, but I felt like they could've done a little better with the story, few too many holes and not that deep - which is fine! Except they seemed to lean so hard on the story what with all the dialogue and cutscenes and such, I was hoping it was going to rise to a higher level... like FFT! Anyway, not aiming to be too negative here, I did enjoy it, just not enough to go around again.
Appreciate the comment and your take on the game :)
Did all four endings and i have to say that Roland's is my favorite one. It was my first ending and I don't regret it. With the Goddess' blessing, Norzelia knows true peace (although at the cost of many innocent lives). The whole slavery thing is pretty messed up, but overall i did agree with Roland that the suffering of the few is worth the happiness of the many. Of course, the true ending is a better end with a better final boss than Svarog , but the ending itself is less interesting than Roland's.
You’re probably the only one (or maybe in the minority) who liked Roland’s ending. The comment section for Roland’s ending is filled with people hating it. But I’m glad people have different opinions and views on such matters and that you enjoyed the ending and found it realistic to some degree. Have a look at the comment section here: The Path to Roland's Ending - Triangle Strategy
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@@akhafasu Yes, most people don't seem to like his ending very much compared to the endings of Benedict and Frederica. Ultimately, I still appreciate the other endings and I think that they each bring something different to the table. Anyways, thank you for respecting my opinion even if you disagree.
@@envyandselfhatred8197 I don't disagree. In fact to me, all these endings are incredible as they show that nothing is perfect in this world. To get something, you must lose something. And that's what I really like about all the endings :)
@@akhafasu You're absolutely correct, except the true ending they're all perfectly imperfect, and I like that a lot. Triangle Strategy has got to be at least top five of my favorite games now, It's so good. It's a shame that some form of sequel would probably have to wait until 2024 or 2025 minimum, before realeasing. Hopefully I'm wrong on that, and it comes out before. Fortunately, Live A Live just released, so I'll be sure to play it soon.
@@envyandselfhatred8197 let me know how you find the game. I’m playing MHR Sunbreak these days and having a lot of fun
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47:47 What Idore was doing in the village?
With Hyzante lost, Roland and him are working together. That’s Benedict’s character ending.
@@akhafasu found this "Idore is probably planning to back a revolution led by Roland to reinstall him as king of Glennbrook. I'm guessing having the king indebted to him (and a pro-Hyzante king at that) would allow him to impose the Goddess' false teachings on the people, and from there work his way towards reclaiming Hyzante." I made this ending.
@@TheVoltrom you could be right. There are only a few reasons where two former enemies will side with one another, and one of them is a common goal that is beneficial for both parties
how do you change/decide teh wedding location?
If you burn any house during Ch 18, then the wedding is held in Glenmore. Otherwise it’ll be at Wolffort
I chose Frederica in my first playthrough because it's what I would personally chose based on my beliefs and morals. And I was satisfied in the ending, despite Serenoa dying.
I could never agree to Roland's path because it feels like throwing away all your efforts in fighting for your cause, only to end up submitting to the powerful. 180° personality switch for Roland
As for Benedict's path, I'm not that fond of the ending bc I feel like Serenoa is a stubborn asshole for insisting everyone should be treated "equally" and Benedict's puppet. He was made king but ended up turning a blind eye to the impoverished and was not able to address the issue of poverty.
Golden route def is the best, in my opinion.
Went with Frederica's ending on my first playthrough as well. But I was kinda sad knowing Serenoa's fate.
Woman woman feeling over logical decision
@@Gdg195 😅
In Frederica's ending Norzelia also is riddled by poverty, famine and war, it is only logical given the brief paragraph we are given, the game just doesn't "show it".
@@maomi1852 after playing the Golden Route, I did realize that Frederica's ending was escapism. They just gave up on Norzelia as a whole.
i believe we call the bad ending "Roland's Ending" but ok
Lol. 2 bad endings and 3 good endings then?
@@akhafasu A bad ending, three neutral endings, and only one sole good ending.
@@Averi0 I was referring to Roland having a bad ending as well 😆
Banzai ending, isis ending, exodus ending, american ending, and one i am going for now lol
All other 3 endings are bad endings lets be honest xD Only the true ending is the good ending
Yes, but the 3 character endings do show sacrifices that must be made to get what you want. That’s what I like about them.
I think Bennedict is the better ending, you end Hizante false Goddess and freed Roselians from slavery, also we have Serenoa as king, better king we can have.
Even though all the character endings come with some heavy baggage, people tend to prefer Benedict’s ending out of all the character endings.
Roland ending is the real BAD ENDING.
Yeah, not many folks like his ending
Got Frederica's ending. Game wasn't fun on hard. Very poorly balanced. I still made it but it was a slog. And then I get hit with 3 nonsensical choices and of course I decide to simp because Roland is a dumbass and I hate Benedict. Well, the ending is atrocious and now I don't have the will to keep playing and get the true ending.
Come on. Believe me. The true ending is worth it. The last battles are really fun. I’d say go for it!
@@akhafasu I don't know. Chapter 13 (the one on the bridge) on hard really soured the rest of the experience for me because I felt there was no legit way of doing it without putting Hughette on top of the ladder and slowly killing all enemies from there. There wasn't another chapter where I felt the game was just unfair, but my trust was breached, so I wanted to finish the game as soon as possible to see the end. Maybe I'm just bad, but after the battle I wanted to check and I read that lots of people beat it that way on forums.
@@akhafasu sorry for the negativity by the way. I'm just bummed out and it's very late here. I'll sleep on it.
@@marcobellezza7653 I completely understand. No worries. I do have all battles on Hard Mode on my channel. Have a look if you’re up for it
@@akhafasu thank you, I'll definitely check that one battle out
True ending is the Benedict Route, even better than the Golden route.
And becoming a puppet while leaving two of the other major villains alive? Seems pretty good to me.
@@Averi0 Serenoa becomes king of all Norziela by conquering (Not a puppet, as you can see at the end of ths route), as it should be and not the weak link of Roland, this is the most realistic ending.
@@bluemachine1025 Serenoa, by title, is the king of Glenbrook. However, in truth, it is Benedict who makes all the choices. Serenoa just fulfills them. Only Benedict smiles in his ending portrait, nothing was fulfilled for Frederica or Serenoa.
@@Averi0 He is King, he must lead his kingdom, there are no room for emotions, during the end of the Benedict Route, he swears to assist Serenoa during his rule after he completes his revenge.
@@bluemachine1025 He assists Serenoa by stringing him along. Serenoa distances from everyone, including Frederica, who is only queen, not 'my love' to Serenoa.
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