the unfairness towards vivi
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2020
- No hate directed towards BlockBerry Creative, just thought that they could atleast give ViVi the recognition she deserves.
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0:00 Intro
0:10 Screen time
2:34 Lineup/Dance Position
6:08 Solos
7:11 Line Distribution
8:22 Bonus Clip
#loona #vivi #sowhat 
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after reading the comments i'd like to point some stuff out
- this is a really *big* deal if you're an ot12 stan
- the fact that vivi was able to debut under loona out of all the trainees just shows that she has a very big potential. the diversity in discography proves that each member of loona is versatile. it is just bbc is not really doing a good job at promoting her. so please dont assume she doesnt have good vocals or is a weak dancer.
- please dont assume that she is okay with it. the recent interview (Hidden Track) proves that they are aware about themselves not getting lines. and also is affected by it. so please dont assume that she's fine while getting treated like this.
- i highly doubt she got mistreated because shes a foreigner, but if it's true, then bbc is in big trouble
- maybe the reason shes not talkative during interviews is just her being shy, not that she's not fluent in korean.
- giving 12 members a fair line distribution is a pretty tough job, but its possible. butterfly has the fairest line distribution among the 3 title tracks. of course we cant have a fair distribution every comeback but in vivi's case she has been the bottom 3 of line distributions. the carol 2.0 is the only song with her having lines over 20+ seconds.
- i have to admit that there is some kind of favoritism towards other members
- everyone might have a different opinion on this, but i think chances of vivi leaving loona even after her contract ends is very slim. bbc did a poor job showcasing her talents. she will have a rough time after leaving the company. i think it's best for loona to stay as an ot12. after all, thats their main concept and what defines them.
also highly doubt that bbc would ever do this, but this is what i think what vivi should get for compensation:
- a new solo + a PROPER b-side
- send her to do CFs
- she doesnt necessarily need to be center, just dont make her look like a backup dancer
- maybe 10+ seconds of ACTUAL lines, not adlibs, not the same lyrics over and over ( _i go i go_ ), just *proper* lines
with the confirmation of a new album coming out, i really hope vivi gets to show her potential.
You're right but they usally put favoritetism to heejin kimlip yves chuu on the spotlight dance and sing and maybe jinsoul they should all take turns everyone is special in this world and I love this group
@@jayoonwilliams1588 I was just about to say that😂. I think these have unnecessary lines which they could have given her or the others
@@katharinavu6400 oh yeah it's mostly them
"- izone did it with fiesta"
like sis, no, they did not
@@TheMikle Who are you referring to? And btw were talking about all songs how it's not fair others in loona sing way more than others
People don't realize how important screen time is for an idol's career...
tea! your career may end but videos like these are supposed to make your fans remember you as time passes but for vivi uhm ugh
edit: y’all watch this: ruclips.net/video/jdKBnMiQQMQ/видео.html she’s known as the idol who’s gotten only 22 secs of singing time in 4 years of her career 😐
fr like i saw another person talk abt this in another vid but it’s rlly important for idols to get recognition (enough screen time and lines) since they trained years for this, meaning some even dropped out of school aka they won’t have any other careers rather than being an idol if they wanted to quit. meaning THIS is the career she has to live with, always hidden in the very back and 0 lines. she’d only be known as a member of loona, not vivi. low key wishing she never joined loona since she won’t have a good future if bbc keeps this up.this is the life she’s forced to live now and the way she gets nothing out of it makes me so fcking mad.
yeah. screentime is hella important. i remembered being a new orbit and struggling to identify the members because of this problem.
i’m your 1.2Kth like thank me
Just look at Hyewon Izone, her visual is outstanding but overshadowed by her lines and screentime :(
a fact in butterfly, vivi is standing for nearly 30% of the time
"fun fact" 😭😭
@@reggiedotpng IDHSJS bad wording
Yeojin too. At least she got a bit of center time in so what, but Vivi got dirt.
@@user-sl4ju4hg8y yeah yeojin acc stood for longer 😶
omg i can confirm this, my dance group covered Butterfly and I cosplayed as Vivi and I literally stood on the sidelines a lot 😭
bbc needs to learn that heejin chuu yves and lippie aren’t the only talented ones in loona. vivi has proven that she’s more than capable of singing/dancing/rapping just as well as the rest of the group. she doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment from bbc
They shouldn’t have made it such a big group if they didn’t know how to let the other members shine
BBC doesn't choose the line distributions, producers do....
Whenever I see Loona stuff I always see Yves, Heejin, Chuu, Kim Lip, Olivia Hye, Jinsoul and Choerry the most.
I mean, they specifically promoted them with having each member make a solo debut to show how talented they ALL are... So why are they now putting 1/3 of them in the very back, not even minding them?? Shit doesn't make sense to me.
@Simen Storeheier no point in telling anyone this. They all have their hearts set on hating BBC.
it’s so annoying when some orbits say “it’s because she can’t speak korean well” but “everyday I love you” is her solo and is in korean. or when they say “lines don’t matter” but if heejin, chuu, or kim lip got 2 seconds in a song they would riot. (no hate to heejin, chuu, or kim lip)
You don't need to speak korean well, you just need to get the lyrics and know how to pronounce them, that's no excuse for giving her less lines
@@natan380 i don't speak Korean at all, but can pronounce thhe lyrics to 7th sense well enough that Korean friends of mine will praise me for it and understand the lyrics. You're right, being fluent in Korean is not necessary
she debuted in 2017 and they still fucking think she isn't fluent
Where is she from?
Her solos are literally the same lyric with different melody and instrumental
It’s hard being a Vivi stan sometimes :((
Don't forget choerry and yeojin. They're trio underrated 😭
Yeah tell me about it
@@_jenniejane I'd say Haseul instead of Choerry... esp after that *cough* ad
@@_jenniejane Choerry? That'd definitely be Go Won. She's most of the times down there with YeoJin and ViVi. It used to be the same with HaSeul but since X X she's been getting more lines (as she should!) but for me the "trio of underrated" (mistreated) are definitely YeoViWon. Choerry has also had her fair amount of lines (especially during + +), her lines decreased a little bit in X X because I guess they gave some to Olivia Hye, but during # both Olivia's and Choerry's lines were okay. YeoViWon were at the bottom as usual. The only time Go Won got to shine was during Satellite were she got a pretty good amount of center even when she wasn't singing, but that's it. Just because she's popular doesn't mean she isn't being mistreated by BBC
Fish And Noodles Gowon became a center in Butterfly where she was emphasized. Despite of her lack of lines, Gowon was more often in the frontline in every formation than YeoViSeul. I have no hate to Gowon since shes my bias wrecker. But BBC only did her dirty on the line distribution, unlike these 3. Yeojin, one of LOONA’s ace, barely got screentime, always shived in the back in every formation, barely have center time, and less line distributions. Haseul, one of LOONA’s best vocalists, treated as a sub-vocal, barely got some center time where she will be emphasized. Whilst ViVi, who have a very huge potential(According to the members) and a Visual Center Material, Only have 1 second line (Words should I say) in Hi High and So What, Barely getting screentime, Always shoved in the back, Her center time is faster than a blink of an eye, and worse, being treated as a backup dancer, rarely gets attention. And yet, is still passionate in performing on the stage despite of all those things. These three 3 really deserved more. No hate towards the girls, but atleast I hope BBC put up more Chineese/Foreign members in the group(just like in EXO) so that ViVi will have a chance to have a spotlight.
EDIT: Forgot to add but i know mistreatment is mistreatment. So in conclusion, LOONA deserved better.
#12not9
Don't get me wrong I love all of them... But it's getting a little hard to enjoy loona when I can't FULLY enjoy loona..
Same here, I'm a new orbit and when I started to know about Vivi's situation everytime I watch Loona moments I always try to find Vivi and just focus my eyes to her. I think she's gonna be my bias and this "treatment" to her makes me wanna love her more. Legit one of the most wonderful, talented human beings alive❤
^ same here 🥺 i started stanning like 3 weeks ago and vivi’s my bias and it’s sad that she gets treated like this :(
shtzme wrthlss same :( I started stanning loona a few months ago and she wasn’t my bias but when I knew about her situation she became my bias. She’s amazing, talented, beautiful, wonderful, still bbc wastes her talent.
Wow I didn’t expect this comment to get this much attention.. I’m glad everyone here can agree with me 🥺
Lovedor Lovedyou you said the truth and nothing but the truth! vivi world domination me thinks
it pisses me off so much. like when is bbc gonna learn that heejin, kim lip, chuu & yves aren't the only ones who can get lines
it's also so frustrating b/c if you look at the line distribution with oec and yyxy songs they're pretty fair but 1/3 songs heejin always gets the lion's share
I know, BBC definitely has some kind of favoritism with HeeJin. Like I get that she's super talented and she's probably the best all-rounder in Loona but that doesn't mean she always has to get everything. I'm happy for her because she worked just as hard as the others to get there, but why mistreating the rest just so certain members can shine? And it's the same thing with Chuu, Kim Lip, Yves and probably JinSoul. I'm not hating on any of them because I would never be able to, but the others don't deserve the treatment they're getting.
@@fishandnoodles3288 But Choerry is all rounder too 😢.....and she also underrated in LOONA😭
@@fakhirazolkafli1861 hmm I wouldn't say she's mistreated tho. Like yes, she might not get as much lines as HeeJin or Chuu, but she definitely has way more than ViVi or Go Won. I think Choerry, Olivia Hye and HyunJin's lines are okay, that's the amount of lines every member should get, not too much, not too little. And I mean, Choerry got lots of lines during + + and X X, # kinda did her dirty, but like I said, she's nowhere near YeoViWon when it comes to mistreatment. But Choerry deserved all the love in the world, everyone in Loona does.
it's not up to their company, it's up to the producers of each song to pick and choose whose voice fits which parts best...this isn't happening on purpose. Despite ViVi working so hard, she's just not making the cut for most parts in songs. She shines on some album tracks at least though.
@@MorseCodeStutters but there are definitely some lines that could've gone to ViVi apart from "hey" and "mwo ottae", for example she could've gotten Heejin's "rap" part, or one of the lines at the begining of the song. Same with Go Won who also got like 3 seconds of lines. And I'm pretty sure BBC has something to do with the line distributions too, every company does. Probably not as much as the producers of the songs but they definitely take part in it.
It sad because it’s also Haseul and Yeojin getting pushed to the back too.. always them 3... 😔
YeoJin is my bias and Haseul and Vivi are my bias wreckers... it’s very annoying
Go Won, Choerry and Hyunjin too tho the last two eras they got to shine a bit more
Well Haseul is doing anxiety and YeoJin was young so you know BBC had some """reasons" but for ViVi there are none.
plus haseul is an amazing vocalist and this is definitely not a case of 'she's-not-talented-enough-so-she-won't-get-lines' scenario
The Way Haseul is one of my biases and Vivi and Yeojin are two of my biases, its hard sometimes to see your idols just being shoved in the back :((
i love vivi with all my heart and i want her to have more lines like the rest of the members :((
"With all my heart...... Bogoshipo"
she still has more lines than gowon 😔
What about Gowon and Yeojin along with Hyunjin and HaSeul (sometimes)
@@K-Popfolife yes pls
They now have lines in Why not
BBC could just give Vivi half of Heejin's lines and the line distribution would be fair but NOPE BBC gotta be a pain in the butt
because Heejin is the better vocalist? and companies need to make their coins and part of that includes making the song sound the best it can possibly, so by simply common sense you’d give the better vocalist more lines than the one that can’t sing.
@@kyooongie Vivi *CAN* sing unless you have an ear problem or something
Plus they could've given Vivi some of the lines and she could still pull it off
@@kyooongie yeah she may be a better vocalist NOW but how are the underrated members like vivi, gowon, choerry etc. ever gonna improve if they never get given a chance, if they're never challenged vocally. And sure maybe if she had more screentime the few lines she gets would be somewhat ok but she doesn't even get that
The company doesn't decide that, the producers of each song decide that...
@@MorseCodeStutters The producers still worked for BBC so I *can* just call them BBC
Even her debut was shared though? Because she debuted in the same time frame as the 1/3 thing, she had a rapper in both her songs and the video had a boy in it and the other members. She has never had a chance to shine on her own from the beginning :(
The pre debut situation vas due to yeojin that failed her exam, she had to debut in 1/3 technically but first, she was to young to go promote on shows and 2nd bbc decided that she needed to focus on her exam more so that's why we didn't see her in loona tv for a long time during 1/3 era. Therefore bbc had to find a new member and with loona way of chossing members it means a new battle between trainees which might have been done in rush. They needed a 4th member so that's why ViVi debuted in the sub unit before doing a solo.
Literally the girl in Butterfly got more screen time than Vivi
Natsuki luvr but barely any one of the loona member got screen time, it was like 3, they video main focus was on the models and not the loona member themselves (I think heejin, Olivia and or Yves were the only one to get focus part)
Yeah their predebut project got a bit messy. I'm pretty sure Vivi was supposed to actually be in odd eye circle (they eye thing and her hair was a clear giveaway) but got thrown in 1/3 instead due to them cancelling Yeojin from debuting. Jinsoul herself even said she was supposed to be the 6th member revealed, which is why she was featured on Vivi's song.
Honestly i’m curious how things would be if Yeojin didn’t fail her exams 🤡
I'm afraid that one day vivi will lost her confidence because of the mistreatment
or leave the company
or get a chance to debut in china and never come back since she is getting more popular there
omg :((((
Or leave the group to join any other group (how about (G) I-dle)
I'm also afraid, and since chuu has been kicked out, it's now OT11 and if ViVi decides to leave, then it will be OT10
atleast vivi has the best solo mv
A lovely solo mv which she shares with two rappers smh
Caitlin Mah-Soeung well to be fair she has 2 solo mvs, but they’re not even solo cause they have jinsoul and haseul in them
Purani ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ AND most of he other members have two solo songs, she only has one where they just changed the tempo and rapper...
Caitlin Mah-Soeung oof poor vivi i just wanna give her a hug
3rd*
In every comeback, we have to play a game called: Find Vivi
Vivi deserves better.
yk it sucks because even in loonas new comeback she and gowon barely had lines
@@michaelagaming206 IK it makes me so upset
Omg bbc is so nice for letting us play it, best company ever (/s obviously)
BBC actually forgot that LOONA don’t have official positions. And now look, despite of them not having official positions, people are now labelling them based on they are seeing. Ngl, but there are no changes in the official positions in their three title tracks. Chuu, still being the main vocalist, Kimlip,Yves, or Olivia still being the lead vocals, Jinsoul, still being the lead vocal/mainrapper, Heejin, still being the visual center,Lead Vocal, and Lead rapper, actually, you’ll notice in each era, they’ll just shuffle and shuffle, overshadowing the members who are also capable of doing those things. Haseul, one of LOONA’s best vocals, eho can also be a main vocalist, Hyunjin,Choerry, Gowon, and Yeojin, who were also capable of being the lead vocal/rapper, and ViVi, who is also capable of doing those since she have a huge potential(according to the members), AND SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS A BACKUP DANCER! BBC really did dirty to these girls, and hiding their potential and capabilities of these members by not giving them the spotlight they really deserved. I really some someday, BBC will see these things to these girls that are really determined to show their talents. Because, I really can’t take this anymore as a ViVi biased.
#12not9
that is exactly the point. i remember having someone says that loona having unofficial positions meaning that their abilities is unlimited, but i'd say that is pointless. what is the point of giving every members the same positions if you would give one of them 30+ seconds of line while the other only breathed a second at the song? they always say that bbc let every members shine equally likes how they give every members a solo mv and album but it still useless if people only focuses on certain members hence the big gap views between the solo mv. bbc trying to make them unique as an idol but not as a group. that is idk what to call it anymore, ironic? i think?
pastelskies yyep it is definitely very ironic that even the fans are even questioning who is the member that are singing the adlibs in a members’ solo. Example in this case is ViVi’s EDINY/EDILY. Since ViVi got lesslines and cannot show her same potential in her solo. Some Orbits are limiting her capabilities by saying/thinking that ViVi isn’t the one who’s doing the adlibs, its either Jinsoul or Kimlip. Which really upsets me since BBC isn’t showing everone’s potential and capabilities. And now see how some Orbits are already labelling them and even questioned their capabalities on the members’ solo songs. KILL BBC!!😢😤😭
@@hihigh7593 burn that flop company yes 😔
I don't think Olivia is treated as a Lead vocal, She's actually on the same level as Choerry as treatment. Maybe she owns screentime sometimes but Choerry has a lot of lines in ++ and xx
If You do that comparison I think they're being treated ok but it could be better. They all need to shine and I hope BBC realice that
I always feel there are four tiers of Loona members
The centers: Kim Lip, Yves, Heejin, Chuu
The Visuals: Hyunjin, Jinsoul
The ones with average treatment: Go Won, Olivia Hye, Choerry
The ones who people forget when listing names: Vivi, Yeojin, Haseul
These are just my observations. I like all of the members but clearly BBC doesn't.
your usernammme! (inSomnia here too)
but seriously I'm a fucking Yeojin stan (though I love all the girls), my cousin is a Hasuel stan... we just want more.
I wish BBC would hav send VIVI to CHINA for "Youth with you" lik Handong in Dreamcatcher so @ least dey would see her true talents plus in her homeland.😕
@@DaCollectaholic YESSSS
I would say" the backup dancers line"
@@DaCollectaholic I think It will be seen as they dont need Vivi in the group for some..
The situation is kinda like Winwin of NCT 127 in most songs of him with 127
Yeah but thanks god he got screentime and lines with WayV
fr, they're both crazy talented and yet their companies shove them to the back
Always the foreign members :'))
@@garbyva ikr :'))
Park Chammy Actually Winwin doesn’t get that much lines in WayV. It’s sad because SM insisted him so much that he quit his studies to enter the company. I’m learning things about Loona’s members and her case reminds me to Winwin
She absolutely stunning and has pretty vocals
the thing that frustrates me the most about how bbc treats vivi is the whole point of the debut project was to show that EACH MEMBER is talented. why would you spend so much time and money with the debut project only to shove a member we KNOW IS TALENTED because you MADE SURE TO LET US KNOW into the background??? and with how many lines heejin/chuu/yves/kim lip get each cb it would be so easy to just cut off a bit of that to give to vivi. i mean i got so mad in so what when chuu got that little rap like you're telling me chuu with all her adlibs and choruses needs that rap as well? we can't give it to vivi so that she gets more than 2 seconds of lines???? (i'm obv not blaming the girls bc it's not in their control but......bbc needs to SHAPE UP)
This is exactly what I have been thinking. I love all the girls, but I am just annoyed when vocalists are getting rap lines on top of singing the majority of the song and high notes. Tell me why Chuu needed that rap, and not Gowon or ViVi or Yeojin. I feel like they just write in those little 2 second speaking lines into the song, just for the sake of keeping some members from getting actual singing lines. Like, if you listen to LOONA songs, all of their group songs have these random speaking parts that occur at every chorus, and the same members get them each time, and besides those little speaking lines, they get no other lines. I'm honestly tired of seeing Heejin/Kim Lip/Jinsoul/Choerry/Yves/Chuu/Olivia Hye getting all of the lines, center time, and screen time.
@@ariellevin6373 you're so right!!! and it's so frustrating because you know it's out of the girls' hands but when you stan one of the less appreciated girls and keep hearing the same voices on every track getting all the attention it's hard not to feel bad that your favourite isn't getting her chance to shine
@@sophie7780 Yes. It isn't that we don't like the other members, because of course we do, we're orbits after all! But, I want to see all of the girls represented and appreciated equally. Like, I understand that OEC is the most popular subunit, that Heejin is the first girl, and that Chuu has unbelievable vocals, but that shouldn't put them above the rest. And, I always have orbits telling me that it must be because the concept doesn't suit certain members, but from seeing live stages, I know that isn't true. All of the girls are versatile and triple threats. Also, why is the concept repeatedly being written to suit the same members then? It's just a flawed argument. It isn't that some members suit one concept more, it's that BBC doesn't care to let the other members shine. It seems like it is all a popularity contest at this point.
my girl vivian can rock those rap lines chuu got, since she already had a VERY significant role in the bridge. it's like bbc just thought "hehe let's bring rapper chuu back only to ignore yeojin, vivi and gowon ONCE AGAIN".
i hate this thought but i sometimes feel that bbc regrets debuting some girls, favoring these girls over other trainees and for that they push them to the corner. i hope that it isn't the case and it's just poor management, but if it's true ugh i would be so mad.
i know this is abt vivi but i've noticed that the later girls (kim lip and forwards) have gotten more attention in ot12 releases... except gowon. compare the yyxy solo views, she's severely behind the other three. and for that bbc tries to stick her at the back. this could be an example of the thought i presented before.
chuu rapping was cool and all, her rhythm is enjoyable but was it really necessary? you've been pushing gowon and yeojin as rappers in their solos only to give those possible lines to someone who already has many. the distribution would be so so much fair if chuu's rap was given to a girl and heejin's to another, because they have gotten a lot, and i mean A LOT of vocal lines if that isn't enough.
i am a fan of vivi's rap style and it makes me really upset that bbc doesn't give her the well-deserved lines in title tracks because "main/lead vocal also raps LOL". it's always heejin (the only 1/3 member in bbc's eyes), oec and chuuves. the forgotten members can really fit those concepts the company has been using but their potential is being wasted because bbc can't hide their obvious favoritism.
and why does this favoritism exist?
(sorry for long comment, i love these girlies way too much only to be neglected)
@@sophiekouhai My thoughts exactly. I love all the girls, but there is no way that any orbit can deny that Hyunjin, Haseul, Vivi, Yeojin, and Gowon do not get enough appreciation and time to shine vocally or center-wise. Just like you said, only Heejin, OEC, Chuuves, and Olivia Hye actually get lines and center time.
it's hard being a vivi ult
She’s literally working so hard just to get shoved to the back all the time. Like I love Heejin, Chuu, Yves, Kim Lip and Jinsoul too, but BBC should’ve just made them their own group if they didn’t know how to let the other members shine equally. That’s my problem with big member groups, like I’m attached to all of them now, and it’ll always be ot12 for me, but vivi, yeojin, haseul, and hyunjin are treated like background dancers. They’re too talented to be hidden like that
it's a shame bc bigger groups like seventeen and wjsn are treated more equally- so it's definitely possible. bbc cannot handle them properly
That's not even a second on butterfly
And they didn’t show her face at all in so what. At least I don’t think so. They just had that dumb mask on her the whole time. When I saw so what for the first time and I became a new orbit, I thought vivi was just one of those random people they use for the MV, I didn’t even know she was a member until I searched it up
@@lavender9071 ikr, I thought she was Chuu
Ngl, back when she debuted with 1/3, it was understandable her lack of lines, she barely knowing the language and being really pitchy when singing, but now..? her pitch has gotten waaay better and she's now able to speak korean pretty good. I mean, yeah, she's still on the weak end when it comes to singing but there are big groups like seventeen or wjsn that have a way better line distribution than loona.
Yes, I agree, she is not the best vocalist and she wasn't chosen for being the main vocalist so that's ok (but Haseul is probably the best and she got so little in Hi high though), but she is visual/center material and a good performer. Of course they don't have to give her extra-difficult lines but she's more than capable of doing "normal" lines, basic rapping, more screentime and being in the front line with some center moments sometimes, there's no excuse to that. 100% fairness is not possible but they aren't even trying to empathize what every girl can do best and they just keep ignoring ViVi + YeoJin and Go Won.
Sara d ok. So ViVi is a visual. I thought so. It makes no sense why she doesn’t AT LEAST get more screen time in mvs and dances then.
@@ShunShunOri we don't know if she's a visual or not since the only confirmed visual so far is heejin
she's not just "pretty good" at korean either, she's FLUENT
@@ShunShunOri she's not a visual but still deserves more than a few seconds of screentime
I've been worried abt this ever since pre debut. Kinda predicted it smh. Bbc yall better straighten things up, if this continues, it will not be good for loona in the long run. In no way this is heejin's fault. You can see how she is one of the most attentive towards vivi, like she loves her so much. The least bbc can do is give her modelling stuff to do or let her do more vlives and stuff.
same. then i thought, maybe just maybe when they debuted, they would better give vivi center part/ lines/ screentime. but...
i remember heejin helping vivi with some korean pronunciation in one of the early 1/3 loonatvs 😢 shes improved so much, and heejin is so kind
Agreed. And also its absutely not heejins fault. She’s incredibly sweet and very big on OT12, she’s so humble. All the girls hype up Vivi whenever but I see heejin always praising Vivi and being attentive as well. BBC has to find ways to boost her exposure soon, I dont want to see her succumb to obscurity or the background. I am curious..since I wasnt here fully through predebut, what exactly was it that ppl were worried about w/ VV back then? The same concerns?
Choeviwon loona she barely got lines in 1/3 but it was kinda fair cause she did get a lot of screen time, but yeah she could have gotten more lines in the beside which would have even everything out
@@briannagarcia1807 Pretty much the same I would say. Sorry for being pessimistic but I've always thought Vivi would mostly be ignored when loona finally debuts and here we are. Vivi has nothing that she can specifically be showcased on bc even in loona 1/3 she is overshadowed by heejin in dancing, vocals by haseul and visuals by hyunjin. Then come OEC and yyxy who were much2 more popular and she was kinda forgotten. Plus she's non korean, and has a quite thick accent which I think hinders her to be more outgoing and becomes shy. This makes her less likely to go on shows and Loona is packed with talent so sadly it was kinda inevitable that she is pushed back. Although she might not be the best in anything, she's improved a ton since her solo and it's ashamed that we dont get to see that at all 😢
i really worry about vivi sometimes. she looks genuinely miserable a lot. i know she has one of those angry looking resting faces (i do too, it’s not our fault) but she actually looks like she is super unhappy a lot of the time. and she seems super left out too, like when they won first place... she wouldn’t squeeze her way into the line when they got down to bow, she awkwardly stayed in the back because she probably doesn’t like to speak up. and being the only foreign member has to be so hard, not only does she have to learn the customs and language, but she also would probably be treated worse if she asked for more exposure. obviously we know very little of what goes on behind the scenes, but i’m so worried for vivi. i’m worried that she’s going to leave the group, or she’s going to have an anxious breakdown from the way she’s treated. i know the other girls love and respect her, this isn’t their fault at all. this is BBC’s fault for making vivi feel like less of a person than literally every other member. one of my friends has been watching a few loona stages and didn’t even notice vivi was in the group until the 7th stage!!! what does that say? BBC shouldn’t have added her if they are just going to treat her like this. there were MANY trainees that competed to be in this group, she won a spot for a reason... they need to let her demonstrate her talents.
Kayla agree, i absolutely love her, but it’s extremely concerning how she is being treated, I think the problem is that BBC chose the trainee that most matched with the SOLO, so it looks like they chose her because she was the one that matched the best with her solo, therefore, BBC wasn’t thinking straight about the future, they were much concerned finding someone for the solo and didn’t think right. I think she matched pretty well with So What’s concept, heck she fitted with all the concepts pretty well, the line distribution could have been easily adjusted to be more fair, the stronger vocalists sing, and the others get the rap parts! I hope things get better! And BBC does a better job! There’s so much in where they can improve!
yeojin, gowon, vivi, and hyunjin are basically backup dancers :(
i’m happy that hyunjin started to get more lines though
even though vivi barely gets any lines or screentime at all, she's almost always the first member (along w chuu) who non-orbits point out when i show them loona vids or pictures so imagine how powerful she'd be if bbc decided to let her shine and stopped treating her like a background dancer
i remember when i'm a new orbit and vivi is one of the members i recognized first lmfao this vid got in my recommendation
The only member I even knew from Loona before getting into them was Vivi, despite knowing next to nothing about kpop.
what i admire most about vivi is that although she’s always pushed in the back for all their stages she’s always giving it 100% as if she was in the center
hyunjin, haseul, yeojin, vivi and gowon would make a good sub unit ngl... forgotten girls unit. they're strong enough to be a decent group on their own tbh. and a mysterious cute concept for them wouldn't be that bad.
but jokes aside, i wonder what's going through bbc's sixteen minds to always give attention to the same girls no matter what? the concept excuse isn't actually valid because hh, butterfly and sw are so different but their distributions aren't.
plus, do you remember the full moon cover (heejin, kimlip, choerry, yves and oli)? the preference is clear as water, just add jinsoul and chuu to those five and it's so notorious that these girls are the ones bbc prioritizes.
at least if you wouldn't use them for the group's music, there's so many ways to use the forgotten girls' potential. ads, drama osts, acting, covers... just admit you don't trust in their great skills but try to push them to the media and the public! favoritism will end up harming loona as time passes.
this is honestly why i hate groups with more than 6 members.. things get unfair really quick ugh
Sometimes I even forget Vivi is a member because she gets no lines and barely any fancams. I'm mad at myself because she's sweet and hardworking she may not be main dancer but she works hard to get there keep fighting Vivi I love you ✊🏻
watching this video a year later and basically nothing has changed, especially with their latest comeback ptt...bbc really needs to realize that vivi is extremely talented and deserves time in the spotlight too
really thought we made some progress in why not only for her to get both no lines and screen time in ptt.. being a vivi stan is tiring
A year later with Flip That and...still nothing 😔 A little better than PTT, but still definitely not good.
@@alilordoftheskies5079 flip that wasn’t better, she got 1.2 secs of screentime :(
@@loonasthreads I meant better than PTT where the little screentime she got was blurred, too fast, or not even of her face 😭
It's hard to enjoy LOONA if you can't fully enjoy LOONA.
Vivi, haseul and yeojin get so mistreated and it really kills me
I don't wanna hear any excuses like "she's still uncomfortable with her korean" or anything like this tbh. as a company, you don't put someone in a group just to let them "sing" HEY in a title track. She's definitly got the potential, and I'm really hoping for justice next comeback ♡
also when they did the "live class" for so what, she seemed very down and forcing herself to smile
it's just so annoying to see how she gets treated so differently from other members
yup, hyunjin was doing her best to make her smile
It’s mostly always the Chinese idols 😢
Winwin and Vivi :((
winwin,vivi,shuhua,elkie,guanlin
@@onlyalexz7631 Tzuyu too :( she barely gets any solo shots unless it's her part and gets treated like a backup vocal a n d she's barely center even when she's lead dancer
@@onlyalexz7631 Elkie terminated her contract with Cube Entertainment, i was waiting for her to escape from the garbage Cube is
@@onlyalexz7631 and yiren as well ye...
This is so effin painful. I feel sad for vivi, yeojin and haseul 🤧
she flew to Korea away from her family to become an idol not have 1 solo song and 3 seconds of lines/screen time
bbc basically treats vivi like a backup dancer SHE DESERVES BETTER
I remember watching vivi’s solo mv and right then and there making her my bias. It hurts seeing bbc mistreat her. Vivi,yeojin and haseul have so much potential
For me it's so impressive that she still doing her best
Really tho I would be disheartened especially with Haseul, who is the closest member to her, being on Haitus
5:55 "vivi youre being mistreated"
vivi : i know i know, i know i know
she and go won are getting backup vocals and dancing treatments
vivi's only moment to shine was in why not, she had an ok amount of lines and screentime and her orange hair made her really visible. then came ptt and there she goes, invisible again in both lines and screentime, but atleast more noticeable than go won
if you check their mv reaction, they seem so sad about having no lines and screentime...
even with so little screen time/lines, vivi was the first member of loona to catch my attention! her solo is one of my favorites. she's so talented and pretty, bbc needs to wake up 😔❤️
Sadly this happens a lot. Foreign idols get horrible treatment. Also I don’t like how her face was covered most of her solo shots in so what.
Here after PTT to report: somehow it got worse for Vivi
At this point I have to wonder if bbc has something against her like wtf? They need to know that this kind of treatment is unacceptable
I don't think she will give up easily bcs she's literally moved to foreign country without learning their language and not to forget , she's stop modelling for the sake of being an idol. I mean she's trying to get the real career that she thinks really suit her. I mean she's born to be on the stage. She literally followed her dream. Give up ? Everything that she being doing like stop modelling and goes to the country that she don't even know the language is such a waste. Bbc is sucks .
When the most screen time she has is half her face covered 😐
update: vivi got more lines in why not
and more center time
not the same for PTT
but she got lines in Dance on my own and U R
Well Vivi and Gowon basically don't exist in Ptt....BBC learned nothing
I think you have a new material for Vivi unfair contents
i disliked loona, i thought their name was overhyped since I always saw "stan loona"...
but one day, I was watching idol room with them and my ult group (fromis_9)
They were showing their talents and it seemed that Vivi and Hayoung were able to do the same thing.. Hayoung needed a little bit of help getting her arms to un-cross and Vivi helped her instead of ignoring her since Hayoung also has the same talent as her.. i saw how genuine she was.. its a very small reason but it burst my heart.
now I love her and I'm trying to stan loona.. i just wish she got better treatment :(
I'm not an orbit but went down this rabit hole because I noticed in Loona's Paint the Town performance in Queendom, there were two members, I think Vivi and Gowon, that got like ONE scene from what i could see.. barely any screentime at all, even in the group shots they weren't focused on. I just find it sad and I hope they get more lines and screentime soon.
yeah, was vivi and Gowon. They kinda mixed their part with Chuu's high note and they didn't get much screentime which is a shame. She got a little screen time this week when they performed "Shake it"but still FAR from what it should be. Vivi and GoWon deserve better.
Literally LOONA seems to be only an 8 member group, the rest backup dancers. Vivi,Yeojin,Go Won and Haseul deserve more.
They are most likely to leave the group
I love Vivi She is courageous ans trying her best all the time
I really hope in the next come back she will get fair lines
She slayed live battery
it's almost impossible to stan vivi because she is always in the background and no one ever acts upon her potential. i've even heard many people say that if she was to drop out/kicked out of loona, there wouldn't even really be a difference besides the storyline of the loona verse and as sad and messed up as it sounds they actually have a point
Amo a Vivi, es mi bias wrecker. Con el paso del tiempo me he dado cuenta que ella tiene el corazón más puro del grupo.
Al ver este vídeo me hizo sentir sensible, débil y un poco enfermo. Pienso en que estado se encuentra su salud mental, ¿Ella está bien? Cuando no hay cámaras ¿Se encuentra feliz?
Sé que tiene buena relación con las chicas y que se puede apoyar en ellas, pero creo que el ser "tímida" o por el simple hecho de entrar al grupo diciendo 좋아요 hizo o hace que la agencia no confíe en darle líneas o estar en el centro de un mv.
Los orbits sabemos de lo que ella es capaz y sí no lo fuera estuviera otra persona. Tengo una pregunta para BBC sí no le das líneas por 4 AÑOS a ViVi ¿Porque la haces debutar?¿Para que en el grupo haya una extranjera? Realmente no entiendo el movimiento de BBC con respecto a ViVi. Cómo Orbits DEBEMOS hacerle saber a BBC que ViVi vale. Sé que mantener una distribución perfecta es imposible pero ¿Siempre ViVi?¿Porqué?¿No entiendo? . Me gustaría una segunda etapa de Loona donde hayan otros Girls of the month, Dónde cada miembro vuelva a tener un nuevo solos o singles pero es muy improbable que suceda. Mientras tanto les pido a todos que tratemos a todas por igual en cuanto importancia, sí sabemos que tienen habilidades distintas. Que se hable de todas (y eso que no hablo de la más abandonada del fandom Yeojin). Total, yo espero que ViVi se encuentre bien mentalmente y sí no lo está que mejore pronto. Te amo ViVi quiero que estés bien, mereces mucho el tiempo te dará lo que te mereces ❤️.
LLORÉ LEYENDO ESTOOOOOOO
UFFF. Tu comentario resume mis pensamientos super bien. Solo quiero verla genuinamente feliz y triunfando al igual que todas las demás 😭 no alegre por las pocas cosas que le dan, se merece mucho más
Diciendo qué?
Estos son mis pensamientos resumidos; además, le dan mucha atención a miembros como HeeJin, Kim Lip, Yves y sobre todo Chuu, DEMASIADO. Y desafortunadamente está haciendo que Chuu se me haga irritante, y no quiero que me caiga mal.
Osea si...dejan de lado a las pobres yeojin, haseul y vivi como si ellas no existieran. BBC tiene que entender que las únicas talentosas no son heejin chuu y Kim lip, tiene que saber que son 12 miembros no solo 3 !!
2:34 I'm not a loona stan but im mad just seeing her being treated like a damn backup dancer
imagine being that talented, pretty, having such a nice personality and holding so much star quality and STILL being mistreated by your company.
Vivi really proved herself in So what.. she was a total badass in the MV but, I honestly think what they hell blockberry was thinking adding her...
Why would you add someone to a group and totally try to almost erase her presence in the group..
Vivi’s song is the only time I’ve heard her singing voice 😔
same with gowon ;-;
when she was in yyxy she went love4eva but now she's mute4eva
(that wasn't my joke btw but the point still stands, our biases are pushed to the back and it hurts)
imagine being the parents of vivi and watching all ur daughters members get their time to shine and just dying to wait for vivi to come out
12:00 era is the best vivi era! i'm crying she got real lines, screen time, center position and more lines on the side tracks! absolutely *VIVI FROM LOONA*
as a person who started stanning LOONA since that VIVI slime meme i am dissappointed, she always stood out to me, she is just too cute
im back here to realise that even after this comeback she still gets treated like absolute dirt by bbc
that so what fancam of vivi is AMAZING. I knew she could dance, but she's improving so so fast and it makes me so happy :.) hopefully BBC realizes this and gives her the screen time and lines that our favorite android deer deserves!
And Vivi said that her much younger brother was shy around her (like a stranger) since she hasn’t seen him in person for a long time (this was during hi high so imagine now… last time she saw her family was like butterfly ish era)
Like imagine losing your connection to your brother just to get this treatment from your company and them sabotaging your career atp it’s horrible
Like I really want her to LEAVE loona atp I can’t take it anymore
BBC wanted 12 members for their 'Girl of the Month' project, so they got 12 members. And after the project ended, they continued promoting only half the members and pretty much ignored the other half. Vivi just got the worst of it because of being Chinese.
i'm a hyejoo stan but my poor bby vivi deserves so much better :(
it breaks my heart to see her being put on the back burner for everything and i really wish bbc would get their shit together and just give her the respect she deserves.
I don’t stan Loona, but this is so sad to see this poor girl get treated like this :(( she is a member OF Loona, she should get treated like them too. Smh. ☹️🤍
vivi siendo de mis ults, cada vez que veo material nuevo de loona (como entrevistas o juegos que les hacen hacer) no puedo evitar sentirme triste porque hasta en eso no le dan screentime ni momentos para hablar; hay personas que aún dicen que "no sabe hablar bien coreano" y por eso "no participa mucho" pero... ¿4 años (o hasta mas si contamos el tiempo pre-debut) en corea y que no pueda desenvolverse bien con el resto de miembros en coreano? ella se la ve feliz con el resto de miembros, pero ¿acaso ella estará realmente feliz de ver que casi ni sale en los vídeos, no tiene ni lineas para cantar y en los programas de variedades ni le prestan atención a ella?
por ejemplo, me dio tanta tristeza ver el relay video de so what en donde vivi solo sale como 3 veces y ya, o ver como incluso los programas en donde se presentan (ejem... mnet) ni sacan fancams de ella (porque normalmente se encuentra hasta atrás, quiero creer que es la razón) y solo sacan de las mienbros mas "populares".
bbc debería empezar a tomar en cuenta esto y darle mas protagonismo a vivi (y a miembros como hyunjin, gowon y yeojin... a quien la misma bbc parece que olvida a veces)
¡orbit! si ves esto, recuerda darle amor a todas las miembros por igual y dejar los favoritismos, cada una de ellas se merece la misma cantidad de amor y tiempo para brillar... por favor
Además que ya dejen de darle tanta preferencia a HeeJin, Kim Lip, Yves y especialmente Chuu. Se pone molesto ver las mismas chicas con la mayor cantidad de lines una y otra vez. También esas preferencias pueden hacer que la gente se harte de oír/ver a las mismas chicas a cada rato, y podría llevar a que las miembros reciban mucho odio, como con el caso de Mia de Everglow.
Yo pienso que de más BBC le puede dar líneas a Vivi ya que ella hasta puede rapear bien, pero el problema es que solo se enfocan en las miembros más populares del grupo como Kim Lip, Heejin, Chuu y Yves y dejando a las demás de lado y también se olvida DEMASIADO de Vivi, YeoJin, Haseul y HyuJin. BBC puede destacar a las chicas pero solo se enfoca en algunas chicas y apenas se enfoca en Gowon, Choerry, Olivia y Jinsoul.
@@yoshitheorbit1118 ajá, después hasta podrían llegar a odiar a las chicas ya que pueden llegar a pensar que ellas tienen y la culpa y obviamente como orbits no nos gustaría eso ya que ella se merecen todo el amor del mundo.
@@lovelyzstan Ambos comentarios tuyos son correctos.
she didn’t go through all that hard training and got picked for nothing.
me going to this video: im gonna be mad
me being mad after watching the video
The only time Vivi got more lines with her group members, was when 1/3 performed Love4eva
Coming back more than a year later. Nothing has changed, she barely just sing "yeah" in title songs
I’ve been staning LOONA since Haseul debut and stay as I love the concept. But as them debut as whole group. My passion on them kinda off day by day, The #StanLOONA are useless now, people be stanning LOONA but not the member. If next comeback and this kind of thing happen again. I might left this fandom
This is the reason why I like smaller groups more. But there is always that one member that is treated poorly or just ever so slightly less than the others. Our poor Vivi. Vivi is one of those people you might not like at first, but she really grows on you a lot. And I mean a lot.
To give bbc a little credit. Vivi was the main character of the love and live mv.
but that was nearly 3 years ago and rn she’s continually forgotten :/
anty I know. I’m just tryna look for the positive.
Im new with loona. And my first song of them is so what. First time seeing this group i get to know all of the members i see their profile and my first though on vivi is like "ah shes so pretty guess shes kinda popular huh" After that i started to recognize each members face in so what mv. Dat time i start to think "wheres dat girl face. Vivi right. Oh is this her ?with mask. Ah yes thats her" and then i watch da line distribution xD i was so shocked lmao. Just hey? Heck this is just not fair seriously ive watch lot of vid about this unfair treat on vivi. If only ive power i would make my vivi get wht she really deserves!!
I hope you continue to stan loona despite the unfair line distribution, remember it's not our talented girls' faults it's BBC! 😭😭😭 Vivi deserves to shine I desperately want to see a song with her, Yeojin, and Haseul SHINING like the queens they are
💎💎💎
don’t get me wrong- i love heejin and chuu just as much as the other members but they don’t deserve 50 seconds of screentime while haseul, gowon, vivi, and yeojin get around 3 seconds of screentime
like i get that heejin is the visual and that there the most biased members but 3 SECONDS? LIKE COME ON BBC
It's like finding Waldo but Vivi version
THIS IS DEFINITELY TRUEEE, IT'S SO UNFAIR FOR VIVI. Actually she have the good looks and voice. She's like Handong from Dreamcatcher, I feel unfair for them! I love loona but Vivi doesn't deserve this guys right?Also the *So What* music video the screentime of Vivi is too short and half of her face can only be seen, She's beautiful what's the problem on that?😣😢
I think it's kind of ironic that BBC says LOONA has no positions and then gives all the screentime and lines to some members just say that they are center/FOTG and go
for real they are so extra and for what? they wanna be quirky edgy and not like the other girls ffs BBC shut the fuck up and do your job better for once challenge
being in a sub-unit with heejin just made it worse.
No matter what she would be. She Will always be my ultimate bias #stanvivi
bbc treats loona like a 9-10 member group, it’s annoying
what pisses me of is that most of the orbits just stand still to this situation
i feel like most of them r just vivi antis tbh... they claim that the amount of lines and screentime don't matter but i would like to see how they'd react if their bias/ one of the more popular members got treated like this ://
Ikr, like you can clearly see she looks sad and mistreated
Every comeback Vivi (and now Gowon too) get mistreated very badly. And when someone comments about their lack of lines/screentime people get mad and label the person as someone who brings negativity. Honestly, if you're not mad about what's happening then you're not an ot12 fan. You're happy as long as your favorite member(s) get the time to shine. It's honestly sad. In a lot of cases things changed with other groups because fans complained. If Orbits don't say anything about this BBC will just continue down this road...
Have any of you seen their Vlive when they were playing the orenji game? I felt so upset and sad for Vivi, she looked so sad herself that I couldn’t watch the whole thing...
im happy that she got more lines and center time in Voice !!! Love her
The way she says Poland is so cute please love and support her 🥺💓💖💕
vivi literally goes viral every other day on twitter you’d think bbc would be more willing to take advantage of that 😒
bbc is beyond stupid, unfortunately
I'm a new orbit and I actually don't understand how Vivi got my attention first
soooo she's my bias :))
After Why Not, while things aren't 100% improved, I'm so happy she got more lines. Hopefully BBC will continue to let vivi shine.
STAN VIVI
On their new album (&) their b-side be honest, vivi should have had more lines there, the song really suits her voice to where even some times I would think that she was the one singing. Sadly she didnt get a lot of lines with it either
I just want a comeback where ViVi Shines
now that loossemble is debuting i hope this will change
There are 4 classes in LOONA(related to BBC thoughts)
1st Class: Jinsoul ft. Kim Lip & Chuu
2nd class: Yves ft. Hyunjin, Choerry & Olivia Hye
Patient Class: Vivi ft. Haseul, Gowon & Yeojin
Ultimate Class: Heejin
HEEJIN WILL GET HATE BECAUSE OF BBC'S FAVOURITISM TOWARDS HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!