I feel like an idiot for not making the connection before seeing the thumbnail for this video. Seven rings, seven dwarf lords, seven dwarves. Tolkien had to have done that on purpose, right?
The Seven Rings also attracted dragons, who melted at least some of them while torching dwarf kingdoms. I wonder if the Morgoth element inside dragons was a key factor to this.
I think its more the practical melting temperature. The elf furnace use to craft the ring has less heat than a dragon flame. The One ring was crafted in the heart of a volcano. Theoretically if a dragon flame reached the same temperature it might be able to destroy the ring.
@@zawwin1846 nope. One Ring has shown to withstand lightning before which was hotter than lava.One Ring can only be destroyed in Orodruin because it was its birthplace
For Sauron they were a failure, in that he could not control the dwarves, but as a way of weakening the dwarves they were very effective!! Effects of their minds? I'd say yes. Thror thought he could just walk into Khazad-dum and rule whoever was there, likely including Durin's Bane?! He thought it was safe to go in alone? Thrain II, Thror's son. He thought he could take back Erebor with so few? Thorin was lucky Smarg flew off towards Lake Town and was killed there or Smarg would have come back and killed all of them, and He would have done the same with Thrain's group! Or he would have killed them and then destroyed Lake Town as Thrain II would not have had Bilbo to cause Smarg to fly to Lake Town. Nor would Thorin II if not for Gandalf. I'd say that the Firebeards and Broadbeams were two of the rings that were destroyed by dragons as we are told they went to Khazad-dum in the Second Age and if the ring owners stayed with them they would have been caught up in the war. As for the rings Sauron got back they were likely from the dwarves who fought for Sauron in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men as we are told members of each race fought on both sides save the elves. Sauron might have got those rings then and then he captured Thrain II and took the last Dwarf Ring.
Sauron's Dwarven Irony: As a Maiar in the service of Aule, Sauron should have had closer understanding in how Aule made the Dwarves, and also in that they differed from the Elven and Mannish children of llluvitar. But he didn't know enough to imbue their rings with the right qualities to bend the Dwarves to his will.
Aule when he created the dwarves made it so they could not be 'dominated' by force of will in the Silmarillion. They could be 'misled', but not forced. The effect's of the 7 rings was perhaps to increase the 'Greed' of the dwarves for gold, jewels etc, and view the other races more suspicuosly. Sauron recovered some of the 7, but many were consumned by dragons. It is not written what Sauron did with those he recovered.
A fun thought- the rings were meant for elves originally, and are known to work very well on man. No reason Sauron wouldn't have been looking to hand out the four recovered dwarven rings eventually, and probably to men. If Wormtail had corrupted Theoden far enough.....I wonder if he could have become the next king in line for wraith-hood. 🤔
The nameless thing in the lake felt the One Ring around Frodo's neck as the Fellowship entered Moria. Durin's Bane likely felt the presence of the ring which drew him out when the goblins were disturbed. The Seven and the Nine were much like the One in this respect in that their power tended to attract unwanted attention. It is no accident that Dragon's and other foul things were attracted to the Dwarven hordes accumulated using the rings. Such things are sensitive to the unseen world, and the power of the rings derived from that world.
Smaug also was able to feel the presence of the One Ring when Bilbo tried to steal the Arkenstone at least in the films. (I haven’t read the book recently so I'm not sure there). Even more so, whether or not he knew the ring was the One, he considered it a bigger treasure then everything in Erebor. It stands to reason then to argue that dragons actually coveted the Rings of Power.
@@maximus3160 Apparently this was a Peter Jackson only thing. I tried looking in the Hobbit book and couldn’t find anything about Smaug suspecting or even knowing anything about the One Ring at all. I also tried looking online if Tolkien maybe said something somewhere else, but apparently not, one possible reason given that Tolkien only later really decided that Bilbos Ring was the One Ring. That being said, I personally feel like there should be some connection between dragons and the rings since they are explicitly stated to be able to destroy all rings but the One, and were responsible for destroying four of them. I also like the idea that Smaug/ the dragons were coveting the rings, because in my eye it makes them feel more like actively evil forces in middleearth then if they were only seeking gold and were satisfied if they had it. But since Tolkien never stated/hinted anything like that at least as far as I could find, this is just (my) headcannon
Dwarfs were created by Aule, so they have crafting tendencies. The seven rings seemed to make them amass wealth without purpose, rather than mine for resources needed to make things that improved the living standards of their own people or those around them. It seems like dwarfs of old were always making stuff and giving their Allie’s gifts, but when they got the rings they just sat on their treasure like dragons to: amassing wealth for wealth’s sake.
Aulë must take his share of the blame, as well. In his eagerness to have a race of crafters to teach, he neglected to make the dwarves a fecund and lusty race, so they multiplied only very slowly, and their quickness to anger and go to war decreased their numbers faster than they could be replenished.
No, I think this restriction was put in place by Eru Ilúvatar. The world was meant to be for Elves and then Men alone, so he had to limit the Dwarves' population growth. It was the least cruel way of making sure that they had a place in the world, but a limited and temporary one.
@@Crafty_Spirit I can't agree. When Eru gave the dwarves life, Aulë rejoiced, saying "May Eru bless my work and amend it!" Eru answered, "Even as I gave being to the thoughts of the Ainur at the beginning of the World, so now I have taken up thy desire and given to it a place therein; *but in no other way will I amend thy handiwork, and as thou hast made it, so shall it be..."* I take this to mean that he kept his word and didn't tinker with Dwarf reproduction; that was all on Aulë. Aulë wanted crafters and students, and one can imagine an alternate universe where he gripes "Durin, can you please talk to the Dwarves, how can they learn my crafts if they're always boffing each other? Geez!"
@@PiraticalBob You present a convincing argument 👌🏼 maybe I attributed this phenomenon to the wrong agent. Still, it seems intentional to limit Dwarven fertility. I can't quite remember at what point Eru revealed to the Ainur that of his children, the younger ones would inherit the earth eventually. No one can alter the music against my wishes, he says, so maybe that means that Aulë had as much chance of populating the earth with a fantastical race that would outlast the Elves' presence as Melkor had at destroying the whole of Arda. But then again, the Dwarves only came to life when Eru gifted each of them consciousness. Which leads me to believe that he induces or at least has to passively approve each incarnation of each child of his (Elves, Men, and Dwarves adopted). I think that is also implied in further writings by Tolkien about Elven rebirth though he later shifted to reincarnation by reembodiment. So while the Dwarves not being lusty can be attributed to Aulë's design, their low fecundity can be attributed to Eru, or Aulë, or both of them.
I always believed that the way the elven rings slowed the inevitable departure of their people down, the dwarven rings expedited their departure. Man was always meant to inherit middle earth. The dwarves and elves were always meant to either die out or leave middle earth. To me it makes poetic sense that one set of rings slowed the decay and one set sped it up.
Well the sacking of Doriath happened because of a dispute between a group of dwarfs and King Thingol, i know its one of the Silmarils but even so it does suggest that the Dwarfs have a natural covert of Gold and jewels which the Seven rings likely exacerbated the issue. Also i do like the mental image of the Seven Rings being like little luck pendulum's that swing to good luck at first and then it violently swing towards "its only going to get rougher from here boys"
When Illuvatar spared the dwarves after Aule was going to destroy them. He laid a 'curse?' 'That there shall be strife between thine and mine' (basically). If you read the 'histories' of the conflicts between the Elves, Men and Dwarves you see that 'curse?' in action. After the dwarves recieved the seven that only added more tension to the 'curse'.
I think the dwarves problems being sped up by the Seven does make them kinda the crux of the issue. While the dwarves woulda eventually had enough treasure to attract dragons, time is a factor to consider. With enough time, the dwarves coulda advanced as a civilization. With advancement would also have came better ways to defend themselves/ways to lessen the blows of dragon invasion. Thinking steampunk Numenor, but dwarves. Considering also how magic and what not was fading from Middle-Earth, time would heavily weaken the dragons themselves. As well as cull their numbers due to infighting and skirmishes with folk who run into em. Plus, if the dwarves had enough time they mighta gotten around to working on that whole greed problem due to beginning to see it as a major liability/growing as a people to the point they begin working on overcoming these things.
It is said the singular misfortunes to the heirs of Durin was caused by Saurons malice and I believe that rings played a major part in that regard. Sauron may have influenced them from afar ( not in the way of domination ) to do wrong decisions perhaps. It is even said that Durins Bane was awakened by Saurons malice in some writings. I wonder why would Tolkien call dwarves mining their own righteous home as ''too gredily'' without an evil will driving them. Dwarves are always shown to love gold and it is in their very nature to mine and hoard treasures. How can someone mine something ''too greedily'' ? They were mining their own business.
Don't forget that the ring that Durin's folk had was taken from Thrain by The Necromancer( Sauron) in Dol Guldur. Gandalf found out when he recovered the map and key to the Lonely mountain from Thrain (Thorin Oakenshields father).
I could be mistaken… but it seems like a lot happened in the 20th century of the Third Age. Makes sense Tolkien would start a lot of dates with 19… even if none of it is allegory. It would be interesting to get a tight (as tight as possible) overview of these events and how they relate. Unless I’m just misremembering things, it seems like a turning-point century in the Third Age.
Gandalf's explanation (they dug too greedily) has been problematic for me since I read the Silmarillion and discovered that (a) Melkor, a Valar, enabled enabled the Balrogs. (b) The Balrogs were Maia. (c) In the war that ended the First Age, the Valar allowed the Dragons and the Balrogs escape. So, the Balrog known as "Durin's Bane" was there; s/he had made their home beneath Kahzad Duhm over a thousand years previously; and was ALWAYS going to 'wake up". So, as a Maia, Durin's Bane was a problem created by Valar carelessness and Valar action. Moreover, after it "woke up", the Valar did their usual, "This should be our problem but we could not care less about the residents of Middle Earth" act. It was only when the Balrog attacked one of their own, that the Balrog was killed. The whole of the Istari (who were, let us remember, Ainur) knew the nature of the Balrog for Centuries and they did EXACTLY what their masters, the Valar, wanted and allowed it continue killing. As did Eru. If there's a better example of Gods as Absentee Landlords than the World created by Tolkien, I don't know it...
Dork Lords raised an interesting idea that perhaps the reason Dwarves weren’t subjugated by the seven rings the way Men were by the nine, was because they were both essentially products of Aulë (with Sauron learning craftsmanship from the Dwarves' creator), so they had some innate knowledge or resistance to them.
Aulë created the Dwarves to specifically resist domination of any kind because they would be living in a world with Melkor/Morgoth in it. Being resistant to the domination effects of the Rings of Power would come naturally to Dwarves.
You should talk about the influence of the three on the elven kingdoms of the third age. Did it truly strength the elves or did they rely on them? How strong would they be without them? Besides their realms fading.
To what degree were the fates of the dwarves tied to the passage of time (basically, how much like elves and unlike humans were they, or vice-versa)? My interpretation is that the dwarves would thrive alongside humans well into the Fourth Age. But then, why they diminished and we don't see them now is its own mystery.
I find it interesting to consider wether the dwarven "greed" metaphorically or literally "awakened" the Balrog of Moria. Like was the Balrog literally sleeping under the Misty Mountains and the greed of the dwarves was at least partially literally what awoken him or does greed just mean that the dwarves should have been aware that they might dig into remnants of Utumno/ whatever the caves under the Misty Mountains are and disregarded the danger
This reminds me of a theory I had, which I feel like you might be able to look into. Tolkien has sort of stated that the power of the One Ring is its ability to dominate the will of others. That is truly what Sauron would use it for, and what other potential wielders would use it for. When I recently reread The Hobbit, I noticed that shortly after gaining the Ring and using it for extended periods of time in the halls of Mirkwood elves, Bilbo becomes the defacto leader of the group. Even Thorin looks to him for aid and it's not until the Arkenstone and dragon sickness takes hold that Bilbo is ignored. Part of me wonders if it's possible for Bilbo to have been subtly using the Ring unknowingly upon the Company.
Interesting theory, but probably not. Bilbo wouldn't have the strength nor the proper knowledge of the One Ring to use it to affect the Dwarves. To him, it's just a magic ring that grants invisibility. And to be fair, that's all it was in the story at the time.
I think it is strange that seemingly the Dwarves of the Blue Mountain also lost their Rings to Dragons or Sauron. We don't ever hear about Dragon attacks on Lindon, which would have been unavoidable if Dragons attacked the Blue Mountains. But we also know of no big conflict involving the Dwarves from the Blue Mountains, when they could have lost them.
At the start of the Second Age the Firebeards and the Broadbeams moved to Khazad-dum and the ring wearers likely fled with Durin's Folk and if they stayed with them they would be caught up in their wars including the War of the Dwarves and Dragons, which went on for 19 years. Maybe the Sacking of Erebor by Smarg. Maybe by Scatha who was killed by Fram when Scatha took the treasure hord. There are several times they could have been destroyed. During the Last Alliance of Elves and Men we are told that some of each race, save elves fought on both side, which includes some Dwarves from the East which could be when Sauron took two dwarf rings and of cause he caught Thrain II and took the last Dwarf Ring. As the Eastern Dwarves helped avenge the death of Thror, Heir of Durin they might have helped Durin's Folk fight the dragons and lost the two remaining Eastern Rings of Power. Thus we could have the fates of the Dwarf Rings of Power.
A thought on Smaug and the gold (in the movies, I don't remember the book): How did he(?) manage to collect all the gold in ONE room? There is no way he would be able to move around beyond the biggest chambers so any gold not there already would be beyond his physical reach. And why would so much gold be piled on stairs and such already - seems very impractical! Any ideas on this or just an oversight to make it look good in the movie? Regardless: interesting video, thanks for taking the time to put it together 😃
I think that the dwarves purposely built a huge treasure room to store their growing wealth due to the ring of power. The stairs would have been there as access points for the workers during construction and then later for access to the growing horde. In constructing this room, the dwarves made the perfect lair for Smaug conveniently with all the treasure stored in one giant space
The book said he grew, he was actually smaller when he attacked, which is why unlike the movies he didn't simply brute force the destruction of Erebor and Dale, he set fire to the lake creating a huge amount of steam and then using it as a cover he sneaked close to the men and dwarves and ambushed them thanks to his superior senses. Also unlike the movie the book has Smaug much smaller, in an illustration done by Tolkien himself its estimated Smaug was around 18-20 metres (59-65 feet) long at the time and surprisingly thin, more worm/snake like than the movie, where in the movie he is around 130 metres (427 feet) and in wingspan 110 metres (360 feet) and about 18 metres (60 feet) tall when on the ground. I have no idea what the growth rate of dragons are so at the time of the sacking of Erebor Smaug could potentially be anywhere from 10 metres to 16 metres. Plus as shown by snakes he could potentially be very flexible allowing him to get into rooms and corridors that usually he wouldn't be able to get into if it wasn't for that flexibility.
Now, a question: did the Avari have any way of knowing what the Rings were? If not, then why did Sauron not use some of the sixteen Rings to control them?
I don't know if the Avari would have known what the rings were but I think Sauron didn't try because: 1. They had a innate distrust of all things related to the Valar or to Morgoth or to their High kin, neither his Dark Lord form or his fair form would have had very much of an effect on them 2. As far as we know (though our information is outdated by more than 20 thousand years) they mostly kept themselves to themselves and had no interest in the outside world or in grandiose ideas of power 3. Sauron almost certainly thought very lowly of them, if he thought of them at all, he would have considered them to be pathetic fools and uninteresting and unimportant to him, if the idea ever came to him he probably dismissed it out of hand, though because of 2 I don't think he thought about them much at all That's the best answer I can give, hope it helped.
It stands to reason that they would be just as perceptive as the original bearers of the Three and remove the Rings upon noticing Sauron's ensnarement. And if one of them fell to Sauron, I think the other Avari would be quick to outcast them
Anyone know where the modern dwarven aesthetic comes from? With lots of straight lines and sharp angles, as seen in Skyrim and the Hobbit movies? Seeing the gauntlets in that still from the FotR intro, I see it there but I don't remember it being so conspicuous in the LotR trilogy.
I always wondered what Sauron did with the three dwarven rings he recovered. He regained Thráin's ring 173 years before the War of the Ring and probably the other two well before that. I wondered if he tried to make a few more Ringwraiths (perhaps the Mouth of Sauron was starting down that path) and/or wore them himself to enhance his power in lieu of the missing One Ring.
I actually have another video on this. Basically, he just hoarded them because they weren't exactly useful to him without control of the One Ring. It's why he took back the rings from the Nazgul; he needed them to ensure he could keep control of them.
@@DarthGandalfYT Ah, thank you for the response. Looks like this is the video you reference ruclips.net/video/1ToMurQDX_Y/видео.htmlsi=YcnHpltR0yshg8Rp
Something I’ve wondered were even the nine a failure? I thought the purpose of the 16 were to dominate the wills of the wearers, which they did for men, but they didn’t appear to bring anything else with them. The nine didn’t appear to be kings of great kingdoms.
True, but we don’t see them bringing great kingdoms with them. I suppose they could have been kings in the east and south and this partially explains why they followed Sauron
Each of the Great Rings did two things across the group: amplify the natural powers of their bearers to a large degree and sustained existences. So, given that: why did the Seven breed wealth?
Were the Dwarves really to blame for Durin´s Bane? I mean, the balrog had to get to those caves somehow.. What to say he wouldnt just find a way out again anyway?
I would say no, pretty much no one really knew that the balrog was there. I agree that it would have sooner or later found its way out, only way to permanently trap it there would be if the mountain itself caved in on it (it was insanely strong as well as could alter it's body size).
Where do you get the suggestion the Seven and the Nine were all originally made for the Elves, when the very verse of incantation Sauron used when forging the One delineates the Three, Seven and Nine as being intended for Elves, Dwarves and Men respectively?
There's also an interesting quote about the Last Alliance: "only the elves were united against Sauron". So some dwarves served Sauron, willingly or unwillingly. Weird that you put a picture of Thingol's death over saying that the dwarves committed "objectively evil acts". Thingol was the one denying them payment for their labor. The killing only happened after many rounds of negotiations, and only because Thingol was not being reasonable. Murder is obviously never a good act, but it isn't always evil either. There really are very few events at the end of the Silmarillion (post-Nirnaeth) which can be called either good or evil from an objective viewpoint, which is sort of the point.
That is an utter misrepresantion of what happened. There were no negotiations. The actual chapter in the Silmarillion places and orders the following events: Thingol commissions the Dwarves and we then jump to the scene where the Dwarves demand the Nauglamír with the Silmaril as payment for uniting those artefacts. So they are basically announcing to Thingol that they would rob him of what he entrusted to them. They knew full well how shameful and dishonourable and outlandish their request was, hence why the two survivors of these group (as we read later) decide to lie about the true events to incite their brethren on a quest for vengeance. Back to the infamous scene, Thingol understands that the Dwarves attempt to coerce him into agreeing to the robbery. At this point, Thingol either concludes that these Dwarves are about to murder him either way, underestimates the danger they pose, or prioritises his dignity over his survival and shuns them. He speaks lowly of them, and they murder him in fury. Which they would have done either way, because they couldn't let Thingol live, knowing that if he'd make it out of the room, he'd alert the Elven guards. Without a doubt, this particular group of Dwarves had a moral fall akin to the sons of Fëanor.
@@Crafty_Spirit ah ok, so you're arguing that the dwarves would not have accepted any other form of payment besides the literal Nauglamir+Silmaril? Ok, so that raises the question: can a holy artifact manipulate someone into committing an evil act for the greater good? Because what you are arguing requires that the dwarves are under some kind of enchantment cast by the Nauglamir. Otherwise, why would they not accept an equivalent payment?
@@golwenlothlindel First of all, it is important to realise that the whole chapter was unfinished by J.R.R. Tolkien - Christopher Tolkien stitched it together and even wrote some of the text himself. It is actually very frustrating for that reason. For example, maybe J.R.R. Tolkien would have included several rounds of negotiations as you suggest, if he had actually finished and polished this chapter. It's not even mentioned what the expected payment was supposed to be. The chapter as we have it makes it clear that the unfathomable beauty of the Nauglamír and Silmaril made them precious for anyone. However, they were accursed - the Silmaril through the Oath of Feanor, and the necklace by the curse of Mîm the petty dwarv and a further time by Húrin. The result seems to be an unhealthy obsession in those who get emotionally too close to the artefact. Maybe Thingol died because he refused to be robbed, but maybe he died because he couldn't let go of a piece of jewelry. Similar for the Dwarves. The sacrificed a working and trade relationship (they even sold weapons to the Elves prior) that lasted for centuries only for this artefact. Maybe you have experienced unrequited love at some point in your life. Now imagine if instead of accepting it, you would insist that the other person should be with you. That is the kind of dangerous mindset in which a person can cast away moral concerns because the desire overrides reason. And I think something similar happened here. It is also worth noting that Dwarves had a very strong evolution in Tolkien's writings. In some of his earlier texts, they are barely better than orcs. There is a version of the tale of Beren and Lúthien where the Dwarves demand Lúthien as payment from Thingol - yes, they wanted to have her like an object. So in comparison, what happened in the scene we are discussing is tamed down. Even though Thingol and the Dwarves were bewitched by the Silmaril-Nauglamír, I think they still have to take responsibility for their actions. Someone has to.
@@Crafty_Spirit ah ok, that makes sense. Well yeah, the fragmentary nature of the chapter is exactly why I felt comfortable making the supposition that there had been negotiations: since that would be the typical thing when one nation's ruler contracts with a crew from another nation to do work for him. There would be all sorts of diplomacy, which the Silmarillion would naturally not really talk about given what type of book it is. I'll admit that was conjecture, but it's a reasonable one. However, I think you've pretty adequately explained why that wouldn't be true in this case.
A big hoard may look like a sign of massive success, but it's also possible that what changed was only the behavior of the dwarves with respect to wealth. What were the dwarves doing before they started hoarding riches? Presumably they were still mining and crafting things, as was their nature. So why didn't that result in an accumulation of riches? It was because they had other priorities than pointlessly hoarding gold and jewels in an attempt to satisfy an ever growing greed. It's actually quite easy to see how the dwarven society would slowly start to deteriorate and fall apart, when suddenly the King starts caring more about his personal wealth than the wellbeing of his people. The role of dragons and other plunderers in the downfall of great dwarven settlements might actually have been exaggerated. Maybe that was just the final step in a long process. Now when it comes to the rings, maybe they did indeed help with hoarding wealth. Maybe without them, the dwarves could only have amassed let's say half of those riches, if they tried their best. But perhaps the key is that they would never have tried in the first place, if not for the rings' corrupting influence on their leaders. When it comes to using the power of the rings, I could see them being a tool for prospecting the best places for digging. As Morgoth's power was infused in all of Arda, perhaps the rings could somehow interact with that to locate precious metals and gems underground. At the same time, perhaps it would lead the dwarves to dig towards the Balrog in the case of Moria.
What would happen if either a human or elf wore one of the 7 dwarf rings? Similarly what would happen if either a dwarf or elf wore one of the 9 human rings.
Considering the Dwarves' greed concerning the Nauglamír in the First Age (long before the Rings existed), I don't think the seven Rings had that much impact in this regard. I'm pretty sure they simply amplified the Dwarves' existing greed and abilities, accelerating a development that was bound to happen eventually. The dragons are a lingering evil that needed to be dealt with, and it was rather lazy of the Free Peoples to have done nothing about them, apart from Smaug.
Its the dwarf fault, they were smoll, way smoller than dragon, but why?, just why they make a room in theire mauntain that big?, they could just make small hole, so the dragon cant even get in there☠
I think Snow White’s 7 Dwarves did more damage to the reputation of dwarves than the rings did.
That's what I thought this was gonna be about lmao
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So the rings affected the dwarfs in a different way, they became grumpy or sleepy or sneezy etc. Makes sense.
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I feel like an idiot for not making the connection before seeing the thumbnail for this video. Seven rings, seven dwarf lords, seven dwarves. Tolkien had to have done that on purpose, right?
The Seven Rings also attracted dragons, who melted at least some of them while torching dwarf kingdoms. I wonder if the Morgoth element inside dragons was a key factor to this.
I think its more the practical melting temperature. The elf furnace use to craft the ring has less heat than a dragon flame. The One ring was crafted in the heart of a volcano. Theoretically if a dragon flame reached the same temperature it might be able to destroy the ring.
@@zawwin1846 nope. One Ring has shown to withstand lightning before which was hotter than lava.One Ring can only be destroyed in Orodruin because it was its birthplace
I wonder how the Seven Rings are connected to Durin's Bane, besides making the dwarves greedy and dig too deep.
IDK more like the riches accumulated by the rings attracted dragons. And not the rings alone. ?
@@peger oh yeah, that was the original point. it was the gold that attracted the dragons, not the rings.
For Sauron they were a failure, in that he could not control the dwarves, but as a way of weakening the dwarves they were very effective!!
Effects of their minds? I'd say yes. Thror thought he could just walk into Khazad-dum and rule whoever was there, likely including Durin's Bane?! He thought it was safe to go in alone?
Thrain II, Thror's son. He thought he could take back Erebor with so few? Thorin was lucky Smarg flew off towards Lake Town and was killed there or Smarg would have come back and killed all of them, and He would have done the same with Thrain's group! Or he would have killed them and then destroyed Lake Town as Thrain II would not have had Bilbo to cause Smarg to fly to Lake Town. Nor would Thorin II if not for Gandalf.
I'd say that the Firebeards and Broadbeams were two of the rings that were destroyed by dragons as we are told they went to Khazad-dum in the Second Age and if the ring owners stayed with them they would have been caught up in the war. As for the rings Sauron got back they were likely from the dwarves who fought for Sauron in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men as we are told members of each race fought on both sides save the elves. Sauron might have got those rings then and then he captured Thrain II and took the last Dwarf Ring.
Sauron's Dwarven Irony: As a Maiar in the service of Aule, Sauron should have had closer understanding in how Aule made the Dwarves, and also in that they differed from the Elven and Mannish children of llluvitar. But he didn't know enough to imbue their rings with the right qualities to bend the Dwarves to his will.
Perhaps there is no bending dwarves to one's will beyond simple bargaining.
He didn’t make them for the dwarves.
Aule when he created the dwarves made it so they could not be 'dominated' by force of will in the Silmarillion. They could be 'misled', but not forced.
The effect's of the 7 rings was perhaps to increase the 'Greed' of the dwarves for gold, jewels etc, and view the other races more suspicuosly.
Sauron recovered some of the 7, but many were consumned by dragons. It is not written what Sauron did with those he recovered.
A fun thought- the rings were meant for elves originally, and are known to work very well on man. No reason Sauron wouldn't have been looking to hand out the four recovered dwarven rings eventually, and probably to men. If Wormtail had corrupted Theoden far enough.....I wonder if he could have become the next king in line for wraith-hood. 🤔
@@violator7964 Right. I keep forgetting his long-game was against the elves. I wonder why the ring spell mentions then.
The nameless thing in the lake felt the One Ring around Frodo's neck as the Fellowship entered Moria. Durin's Bane likely felt the presence of the ring which drew him out when the goblins were disturbed. The Seven and the Nine were much like the One in this respect in that their power tended to attract unwanted attention. It is no accident that Dragon's and other foul things were attracted to the Dwarven hordes accumulated using the rings. Such things are sensitive to the unseen world, and the power of the rings derived from that world.
Well said my friend bravo's in order.
Smaug also was able to feel the presence of the One Ring when Bilbo tried to steal the Arkenstone at least in the films. (I haven’t read the book recently so I'm not sure there). Even more so, whether or not he knew the ring was the One, he considered it a bigger treasure then everything in Erebor. It stands to reason then to argue that dragons actually coveted the Rings of Power.
@@bluvil where does Tolkien say Smaug felt the presence of the One Ring?
@@maximus3160 Apparently this was a Peter Jackson only thing. I tried looking in the Hobbit book and couldn’t find anything about Smaug suspecting or even knowing anything about the One Ring at all. I also tried looking online if Tolkien maybe said something somewhere else, but apparently not, one possible reason given that Tolkien only later really decided that Bilbos Ring was the One Ring.
That being said, I personally feel like there should be some connection between dragons and the rings since they are explicitly stated to be able to destroy all rings but the One, and were responsible for destroying four of them. I also like the idea that Smaug/ the dragons were coveting the rings, because in my eye it makes them feel more like actively evil forces in middleearth then if they were only seeking gold and were satisfied if they had it. But since Tolkien never stated/hinted anything like that at least as far as I could find, this is just (my) headcannon
Dwarfs were created by Aule, so they have crafting tendencies. The seven rings seemed to make them amass wealth without purpose, rather than mine for resources needed to make things that improved the living standards of their own people or those around them. It seems like dwarfs of old were always making stuff and giving their Allie’s gifts, but when they got the rings they just sat on their treasure like dragons to: amassing wealth for wealth’s sake.
The Dragon Sickness. Yes. It heightened their greed and made them lax.
Basically it turned the Dwarves into Coonsummers.
I love your lines at the end of the videos. Always cheerful! This one was very good too, made me😂😂
Aulë must take his share of the blame, as well. In his eagerness to have a race of crafters to teach, he neglected to make the dwarves a fecund and lusty race, so they multiplied only very slowly, and their quickness to anger and go to war decreased their numbers faster than they could be replenished.
No, I think this restriction was put in place by Eru Ilúvatar. The world was meant to be for Elves and then Men alone, so he had to limit the Dwarves' population growth. It was the least cruel way of making sure that they had a place in the world, but a limited and temporary one.
@@Crafty_Spirit I can't agree. When Eru gave the dwarves life, Aulë rejoiced, saying "May Eru bless my work and amend it!" Eru answered, "Even as I gave being to the thoughts of the Ainur at the beginning of the World, so now I have taken up thy desire and given to it a place therein; *but in no other way will I amend thy handiwork, and as thou hast made it, so shall it be..."* I take this to mean that he kept his word and didn't tinker with Dwarf reproduction; that was all on Aulë. Aulë wanted crafters and students, and one can imagine an alternate universe where he gripes "Durin, can you please talk to the Dwarves, how can they learn my crafts if they're always boffing each other? Geez!"
@@PiraticalBob You present a convincing argument 👌🏼 maybe I attributed this phenomenon to the wrong agent.
Still, it seems intentional to limit Dwarven fertility. I can't quite remember at what point Eru revealed to the Ainur that of his children, the younger ones would inherit the earth eventually. No one can alter the music against my wishes, he says, so maybe that means that Aulë had as much chance of populating the earth with a fantastical race that would outlast the Elves' presence as Melkor had at destroying the whole of Arda.
But then again, the Dwarves only came to life when Eru gifted each of them consciousness. Which leads me to believe that he induces or at least has to passively approve each incarnation of each child of his (Elves, Men, and Dwarves adopted). I think that is also implied in further writings by Tolkien about Elven rebirth though he later shifted to reincarnation by reembodiment.
So while the Dwarves not being lusty can be attributed to Aulë's design, their low fecundity can be attributed to Eru, or Aulë, or both of them.
I always believed that the way the elven rings slowed the inevitable departure of their people down, the dwarven rings expedited their departure. Man was always meant to inherit middle earth. The dwarves and elves were always meant to either die out or leave middle earth. To me it makes poetic sense that one set of rings slowed the decay and one set sped it up.
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Well the sacking of Doriath happened because of a dispute between a group of dwarfs and King Thingol, i know its one of the Silmarils but even so it does suggest that the Dwarfs have a natural covert of Gold and jewels which the Seven rings likely exacerbated the issue.
Also i do like the mental image of the Seven Rings being like little luck pendulum's that swing to good luck at first and then it violently swing towards "its only going to get rougher from here boys"
@Hlord-be4xxHumans constantly kill for treasure what you talking aboot
When Illuvatar spared the dwarves after Aule was going to destroy them. He laid a 'curse?' 'That there shall be strife between thine and mine' (basically). If you read the 'histories' of the conflicts between the Elves, Men and Dwarves you see that 'curse?' in action.
After the dwarves recieved the seven that only added more tension to the 'curse'.
I think the dwarves problems being sped up by the Seven does make them kinda the crux of the issue. While the dwarves woulda eventually had enough treasure to attract dragons, time is a factor to consider. With enough time, the dwarves coulda advanced as a civilization. With advancement would also have came better ways to defend themselves/ways to lessen the blows of dragon invasion. Thinking steampunk Numenor, but dwarves. Considering also how magic and what not was fading from Middle-Earth, time would heavily weaken the dragons themselves. As well as cull their numbers due to infighting and skirmishes with folk who run into em. Plus, if the dwarves had enough time they mighta gotten around to working on that whole greed problem due to beginning to see it as a major liability/growing as a people to the point they begin working on overcoming these things.
Nice! I like the theory that the 7 did little good at first, and a lot of bad in the long run. The Dwarves do not really need rings to amass wealth.
It is said the singular misfortunes to the heirs of Durin was caused by Saurons malice and I believe that rings played a major part in that regard. Sauron may have influenced them from afar ( not in the way of domination ) to do wrong decisions perhaps. It is even said that Durins Bane was awakened by Saurons malice in some writings. I wonder why would Tolkien call dwarves mining their own righteous home as ''too gredily'' without an evil will driving them. Dwarves are always shown to love gold and it is in their very nature to mine and hoard treasures. How can someone mine something ''too greedily'' ? They were mining their own business.
Don't forget that the ring that Durin's folk had was taken from Thrain by The Necromancer( Sauron) in Dol Guldur. Gandalf found out when he recovered the map and key to the Lonely mountain from Thrain (Thorin Oakenshields father).
I could be mistaken… but it seems like a lot happened in the 20th century of the Third Age. Makes sense Tolkien would start a lot of dates with 19… even if none of it is allegory. It would be interesting to get a tight (as tight as possible) overview of these events and how they relate. Unless I’m just misremembering things, it seems like a turning-point century in the Third Age.
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Gandalf's explanation (they dug too greedily) has been problematic for me since I read the Silmarillion and discovered that
(a) Melkor, a Valar, enabled enabled the Balrogs.
(b) The Balrogs were Maia.
(c) In the war that ended the First Age, the Valar allowed the Dragons and the Balrogs escape.
So, the Balrog known as "Durin's Bane" was there; s/he had made their home beneath Kahzad Duhm over a thousand years
previously; and was ALWAYS going to 'wake up".
So, as a Maia, Durin's Bane was a problem created by Valar carelessness and Valar action. Moreover, after it "woke up", the Valar did their usual, "This should be our problem but we could not care less about the residents of Middle Earth" act.
It was only when the Balrog attacked one of their own, that the Balrog was killed.
The whole of the Istari (who were, let us remember, Ainur) knew the nature of the Balrog for Centuries and they did EXACTLY what their masters, the Valar, wanted and allowed it continue killing. As did Eru.
If there's a better example of Gods as Absentee Landlords than the World created by Tolkien, I don't know it...
I mean... Good chance the dwarves would have woken up the Balrogs without the rings. They were already digging in the area for Mithril.
Dork Lords raised an interesting idea that perhaps the reason Dwarves weren’t subjugated by the seven rings the way Men were by the nine, was because they were both essentially products of Aulë (with Sauron learning craftsmanship from the Dwarves' creator), so they had some innate knowledge or resistance to them.
Aulë created the Dwarves to specifically resist domination of any kind because they would be living in a world with Melkor/Morgoth in it. Being resistant to the domination effects of the Rings of Power would come naturally to Dwarves.
very interesting. fascinating theory thanks for sharing
Some people said it was forbidden to say "Do you want to see my rings of power?" In middle earth.
The 7 sounds like a dark take on snow white 's 7 drawves
You should talk about the influence of the three on the elven kingdoms of the third age. Did it truly strength the elves or did they rely on them? How strong would they be without them? Besides their realms fading.
Please do a video about how the one ring worked, an how Sauron would have defeated the elven rings with him.
To what degree were the fates of the dwarves tied to the passage of time (basically, how much like elves and unlike humans were they, or vice-versa)? My interpretation is that the dwarves would thrive alongside humans well into the Fourth Age. But then, why they diminished and we don't see them now is its own mystery.
I find it interesting to consider wether the dwarven "greed" metaphorically or literally "awakened" the Balrog of Moria. Like was the Balrog literally sleeping under the Misty Mountains and the greed of the dwarves was at least partially literally what awoken him or does greed just mean that the dwarves should have been aware that they might dig into remnants of Utumno/ whatever the caves under the Misty Mountains are and disregarded the danger
Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone..
This reminds me of a theory I had, which I feel like you might be able to look into. Tolkien has sort of stated that the power of the One Ring is its ability to dominate the will of others. That is truly what Sauron would use it for, and what other potential wielders would use it for. When I recently reread The Hobbit, I noticed that shortly after gaining the Ring and using it for extended periods of time in the halls of Mirkwood elves, Bilbo becomes the defacto leader of the group. Even Thorin looks to him for aid and it's not until the Arkenstone and dragon sickness takes hold that Bilbo is ignored. Part of me wonders if it's possible for Bilbo to have been subtly using the Ring unknowingly upon the Company.
Interesting theory, but probably not. Bilbo wouldn't have the strength nor the proper knowledge of the One Ring to use it to affect the Dwarves. To him, it's just a magic ring that grants invisibility. And to be fair, that's all it was in the story at the time.
One ring made you sleepy, one ring made you grouchy…
I think it is strange that seemingly the Dwarves of the Blue Mountain also lost their Rings to Dragons or Sauron. We don't ever hear about Dragon attacks on Lindon, which would have been unavoidable if Dragons attacked the Blue Mountains. But we also know of no big conflict involving the Dwarves from the Blue Mountains, when they could have lost them.
At the start of the Second Age the Firebeards and the Broadbeams moved to Khazad-dum and the ring wearers likely fled with Durin's Folk and if they stayed with them they would be caught up in their wars including the War of the Dwarves and Dragons, which went on for 19 years. Maybe the Sacking of Erebor by Smarg. Maybe by Scatha who was killed by Fram when Scatha took the treasure hord.
There are several times they could have been destroyed.
During the Last Alliance of Elves and Men we are told that some of each race, save elves fought on both side, which includes some Dwarves from the East which could be when Sauron took two dwarf rings and of cause he caught Thrain II and took the last Dwarf Ring.
As the Eastern Dwarves helped avenge the death of Thror, Heir of Durin they might have helped Durin's Folk fight the dragons and lost the two remaining Eastern Rings of Power.
Thus we could have the fates of the Dwarf Rings of Power.
A thought on Smaug and the gold (in the movies, I don't remember the book):
How did he(?) manage to collect all the gold in ONE room?
There is no way he would be able to move around beyond the biggest chambers so any gold not there already would be beyond his physical reach. And why would so much gold be piled on stairs and such already - seems very impractical!
Any ideas on this or just an oversight to make it look good in the movie?
Regardless: interesting video, thanks for taking the time to put it together 😃
I think that the dwarves purposely built a huge treasure room to store their growing wealth due to the ring of power. The stairs would have been there as access points for the workers during construction and then later for access to the growing horde. In constructing this room, the dwarves made the perfect lair for Smaug conveniently with all the treasure stored in one giant space
Dragons are magical yo!
The book said he grew, he was actually smaller when he attacked, which is why unlike the movies he didn't simply brute force the destruction of Erebor and Dale, he set fire to the lake creating a huge amount of steam and then using it as a cover he sneaked close to the men and dwarves and ambushed them thanks to his superior senses. Also unlike the movie the book has Smaug much smaller, in an illustration done by Tolkien himself its estimated Smaug was around 18-20 metres (59-65 feet) long at the time and surprisingly thin, more worm/snake like than the movie, where in the movie he is around 130 metres (427 feet) and in wingspan 110 metres (360 feet) and about 18 metres (60 feet) tall when on the ground. I have no idea what the growth rate of dragons are so at the time of the sacking of Erebor Smaug could potentially be anywhere from 10 metres to 16 metres. Plus as shown by snakes he could potentially be very flexible allowing him to get into rooms and corridors that usually he wouldn't be able to get into if it wasn't for that flexibility.
@@ryancarter1080Very interesting!
Thank you for taking the time to explain it 😃
That's what made the young Smaug so terrifying. He could break into tunnels and hideouts that were built for Dwarves, there was no safe place
Now, a question: did the Avari have any way of knowing what the Rings were? If not, then why did Sauron not use some of the sixteen Rings to control them?
I don't know if the Avari would have known what the rings were but I think Sauron didn't try because:
1. They had a innate distrust of all things related to the Valar or to Morgoth or to their High kin, neither his Dark Lord form or his fair form would have had very much of an effect on them
2. As far as we know (though our information is outdated by more than 20 thousand years) they mostly kept themselves to themselves and had no interest in the outside world or in grandiose ideas of power
3. Sauron almost certainly thought very lowly of them, if he thought of them at all, he would have considered them to be pathetic fools and uninteresting and unimportant to him, if the idea ever came to him he probably dismissed it out of hand, though because of 2 I don't think he thought about them much at all
That's the best answer I can give, hope it helped.
It stands to reason that they would be just as perceptive as the original bearers of the Three and remove the Rings upon noticing Sauron's ensnarement. And if one of them fell to Sauron, I think the other Avari would be quick to outcast them
Anyone know where the modern dwarven aesthetic comes from? With lots of straight lines and sharp angles, as seen in Skyrim and the Hobbit movies?
Seeing the gauntlets in that still from the FotR intro, I see it there but I don't remember it being so conspicuous in the LotR trilogy.
it is mostly based on their runes as described by Tolkien
I always wondered what Sauron did with the three dwarven rings he recovered. He regained Thráin's ring 173 years before the War of the Ring and probably the other two well before that. I wondered if he tried to make a few more Ringwraiths (perhaps the Mouth of Sauron was starting down that path) and/or wore them himself to enhance his power in lieu of the missing One Ring.
I actually have another video on this. Basically, he just hoarded them because they weren't exactly useful to him without control of the One Ring. It's why he took back the rings from the Nazgul; he needed them to ensure he could keep control of them.
@@DarthGandalfYT Ah, thank you for the response. Looks like this is the video you reference ruclips.net/video/1ToMurQDX_Y/видео.htmlsi=YcnHpltR0yshg8Rp
@@DarthGandalfYT Thanks for the response. I looked up that video and watched it too.
The rings could have also drawn the dragons in
Something I’ve wondered were even the nine a failure? I thought the purpose of the 16 were to dominate the wills of the wearers, which they did for men, but they didn’t appear to bring anything else with them. The nine didn’t appear to be kings of great kingdoms.
Before they became wraiths the nine were kings, warriors and wise men.
True, but we don’t see them bringing great kingdoms with them.
I suppose they could have been kings in the east and south and this partially explains why they followed Sauron
Each of the Great Rings did two things across the group: amplify the natural powers of their bearers to a large degree and sustained existences.
So, given that: why did the Seven breed wealth?
Were the Dwarves really to blame for Durin´s Bane? I mean, the balrog had to get to those caves somehow.. What to say he wouldnt just find a way out again anyway?
I would say no, pretty much no one really knew that the balrog was there. I agree that it would have sooner or later found its way out, only way to permanently trap it there would be if the mountain itself caved in on it (it was insanely strong as well as could alter it's body size).
What is a Cold-Drake?, Is that supposed to be a dragon that breaths Ice?
A cold drake in Tolkien’s works is essentially just a dragon that can’t breathe fire. More like a giant lizard than a dragon, no breath power at all.
Where do you get the suggestion the Seven and the Nine were all originally made for the Elves, when the very verse of incantation Sauron used when forging the One delineates the Three, Seven and Nine as being intended for Elves, Dwarves and Men respectively?
Because the poem was apocryphal. The information is covered in the Silmarillion's last chapter, with additional info in Lost Tales.
There's also an interesting quote about the Last Alliance: "only the elves were united against Sauron". So some dwarves served Sauron, willingly or unwillingly.
Weird that you put a picture of Thingol's death over saying that the dwarves committed "objectively evil acts". Thingol was the one denying them payment for their labor. The killing only happened after many rounds of negotiations, and only because Thingol was not being reasonable. Murder is obviously never a good act, but it isn't always evil either. There really are very few events at the end of the Silmarillion (post-Nirnaeth) which can be called either good or evil from an objective viewpoint, which is sort of the point.
That is an utter misrepresantion of what happened. There were no negotiations. The actual chapter in the Silmarillion places and orders the following events:
Thingol commissions the Dwarves and we then jump to the scene where the Dwarves demand the Nauglamír with the Silmaril as payment for uniting those artefacts. So they are basically announcing to Thingol that they would rob him of what he entrusted to them. They knew full well how shameful and dishonourable and outlandish their request was, hence why the two survivors of these group (as we read later) decide to lie about the true events to incite their brethren on a quest for vengeance.
Back to the infamous scene, Thingol understands that the Dwarves attempt to coerce him into agreeing to the robbery. At this point, Thingol either concludes that these Dwarves are about to murder him either way, underestimates the danger they pose, or prioritises his dignity over his survival and shuns them. He speaks lowly of them, and they murder him in fury. Which they would have done either way, because they couldn't let Thingol live, knowing that if he'd make it out of the room, he'd alert the Elven guards.
Without a doubt, this particular group of Dwarves had a moral fall akin to the sons of Fëanor.
@@Crafty_Spirit ah ok, so you're arguing that the dwarves would not have accepted any other form of payment besides the literal Nauglamir+Silmaril?
Ok, so that raises the question: can a holy artifact manipulate someone into committing an evil act for the greater good? Because what you are arguing requires that the dwarves are under some kind of enchantment cast by the Nauglamir. Otherwise, why would they not accept an equivalent payment?
@@golwenlothlindel First of all, it is important to realise that the whole chapter was unfinished by J.R.R. Tolkien - Christopher Tolkien stitched it together and even wrote some of the text himself. It is actually very frustrating for that reason. For example, maybe J.R.R. Tolkien would have included several rounds of negotiations as you suggest, if he had actually finished and polished this chapter. It's not even mentioned what the expected payment was supposed to be.
The chapter as we have it makes it clear that the unfathomable beauty of the Nauglamír and Silmaril made them precious for anyone. However, they were accursed - the Silmaril through the Oath of Feanor, and the necklace by the curse of Mîm the petty dwarv and a further time by Húrin.
The result seems to be an unhealthy obsession in those who get emotionally too close to the artefact. Maybe Thingol died because he refused to be robbed, but maybe he died because he couldn't let go of a piece of jewelry. Similar for the Dwarves. The sacrificed a working and trade relationship (they even sold weapons to the Elves prior) that lasted for centuries only for this artefact.
Maybe you have experienced unrequited love at some point in your life. Now imagine if instead of accepting it, you would insist that the other person should be with you. That is the kind of dangerous mindset in which a person can cast away moral concerns because the desire overrides reason. And I think something similar happened here.
It is also worth noting that Dwarves had a very strong evolution in Tolkien's writings. In some of his earlier texts, they are barely better than orcs. There is a version of the tale of Beren and Lúthien where the Dwarves demand Lúthien as payment from Thingol - yes, they wanted to have her like an object. So in comparison, what happened in the scene we are discussing is tamed down.
Even though Thingol and the Dwarves were bewitched by the Silmaril-Nauglamír, I think they still have to take responsibility for their actions. Someone has to.
@@Crafty_Spirit ah ok, that makes sense.
Well yeah, the fragmentary nature of the chapter is exactly why I felt comfortable making the supposition that there had been negotiations: since that would be the typical thing when one nation's ruler contracts with a crew from another nation to do work for him. There would be all sorts of diplomacy, which the Silmarillion would naturally not really talk about given what type of book it is. I'll admit that was conjecture, but it's a reasonable one. However, I think you've pretty adequately explained why that wouldn't be true in this case.
How did the Seven ruin the Dwarves? Well, it started when Homelander came to Mordor...
What did the dwarves actually GAIN from having the rings? Are there any concrete examples of how their power actually manifested?
It increased their lust of gold, jewels etc and increased their 'suspicion' of the other races.
@@neil999ish Those are the negative effects, but I was wondering about the positive ones. They should've granted their wielders power in some form.
A big hoard may look like a sign of massive success, but it's also possible that what changed was only the behavior of the dwarves with respect to wealth. What were the dwarves doing before they started hoarding riches? Presumably they were still mining and crafting things, as was their nature. So why didn't that result in an accumulation of riches? It was because they had other priorities than pointlessly hoarding gold and jewels in an attempt to satisfy an ever growing greed.
It's actually quite easy to see how the dwarven society would slowly start to deteriorate and fall apart, when suddenly the King starts caring more about his personal wealth than the wellbeing of his people. The role of dragons and other plunderers in the downfall of great dwarven settlements might actually have been exaggerated. Maybe that was just the final step in a long process.
Now when it comes to the rings, maybe they did indeed help with hoarding wealth. Maybe without them, the dwarves could only have amassed let's say half of those riches, if they tried their best. But perhaps the key is that they would never have tried in the first place, if not for the rings' corrupting influence on their leaders.
When it comes to using the power of the rings, I could see them being a tool for prospecting the best places for digging. As Morgoth's power was infused in all of Arda, perhaps the rings could somehow interact with that to locate precious metals and gems underground. At the same time, perhaps it would lead the dwarves to dig towards the Balrog in the case of Moria.
So the wealth of Erebor was founded on one of the Seven. TIL...
What would happen if either a human or elf wore one of the 7 dwarf rings? Similarly what would happen if either a dwarf or elf wore one of the 9 human rings.
Considering the Dwarves' greed concerning the Nauglamír in the First Age (long before the Rings existed), I don't think the seven Rings had that much impact in this regard. I'm pretty sure they simply amplified the Dwarves' existing greed and abilities, accelerating a development that was bound to happen eventually. The dragons are a lingering evil that needed to be dealt with, and it was rather lazy of the Free Peoples to have done nothing about them, apart from Smaug.
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The "Sc" in "Scatha" is pronounced as "sh" in "sheep"
I'd love to plunder banks but there's just one problem. I'm not a dragon. How do I become one? It seems like you left out a few steps there.
I like to think that a band of corrupted Dwarves helped Morgoth in the breeding of Dragons
Just why did Dragons destroy Rings of Power on purpose?? Don't tell me it happened accidentally four times in a row.
Its the dwarf fault, they were smoll, way smoller than dragon, but why?, just why they make a room in theire mauntain that big?, they could just make small hole, so the dragon cant even get in there☠